Texas basketball '21-'22: Welcome Chris Beard

[formermav43 4,631]

1 hour ago, HookEm said:

Like I said, if you add up the MPG for our team over the last few years we average about 240 minutes.  Some , ames go to overtime.  Sometimes players miss games and others get more minutes, bringing up their averages, etc.

You realize they only figure up mpg based on the actual games you played in, right? An easy example from this year is Hepa - he averaged 6.4 mpg, but he only played in 9 games. If you figure his actual total minutes (58 - and 26 of those were in a single game!) over 27 games, he averaged 2.1 mpg.

To put it another way, on paper we could satisfy giving everyone 30+ mpg the way you are worried about by playing, say, Febres 35 minutes in one game and never playing him the rest of the year. He'd show as 35 mpg in the stats - but that's not really how you distribute minutes, obviously. That's an extreme example, but the realistic point is that the only way to reach the totals you're talking about is to basically not play guys at all most of the year and play them a lot then when injuries hit, artificially making their mpg high.

Plus there'd be some guy on the internet worried about distributing like 400 mpg if we applied that across the board.

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You realize they only figure up mpg based on the actual games you played in, right?

Yes of course.  The big contributors in us summing to 240+ mpg last last year are:

• Febres played 13 games at 17 mpg
• Donovan Williams played 15 games at 10 mpg
• Liddell played 7 at 11 mpg

If all of those guys played at that level all year, Andrew Jones would have averaged more like 27 instead of 31.4 mpg.

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2 hours ago, gsoda3 said:

i dunno, i think ramey's more hubert davis than j'covan brown.  would love to be wrong.

Ramey, to me, reminds me a little bit of Tony Allen, and i think that with better coaching he could have become a poor man's Allen. 

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3 hours ago, HookEm said:

FWIW - Add up the Tech minutes last year and you get 248. A lot of that excess is driven by Nimari Burnett opting out of the season at the mid-point and Kevin McCullar's injury.

Regardless, looking at that roster it is hard AF to figure out how to distribute the minutes.  I generally like the thought of giving 28-32 minutes to the best 5-6 players and then distributing the rest at <15 mpg.  But in that case you are going to be giving folks like Bishop, Askew, Febres, Cunningham way less minutes than they are going to want.

Here is another cut at it, limiting the minutes to 215 (more reasonable if there are no transfers or MAJOR injuries)

• Andrew Jones, 6'4 - 30 min
• Dylan Disu, 6'9:  30 min
• Courtney Ramey, 6'3 - 28 min
• Timmy Allen, 6'6:  28 min
• DeVante Jones, 6'1 / Sahvir Wheeler, 5'10:  PG 27 min
• Christian Bishop, 6'7:  20 min
• Jase Febres, 6'5 - 14 min
• Devin Askew, 6'3:  14 min
• Brock Cunningham, 6'5:  12 min
• Big man TBD - 12 min

• Total:  215

(Bold players are currently unsigned)

No way Askew only plays 14 mpg.  He would not be here if he hadn’t been promised more than that.  I think anyone they add from here on out will not be someone they have to promise significant playin time to. My guess:

 

Jones, Allen, Disu, Bishop: 30 mpg

Askew, Ramey: 25 mpg

Cunningham, Febres, Tyson: 15 mpg

TBD G, TBD F: 10 mpg

TBD G, TBD F (likely walk-ons): <5 mpg

Edited April 28, 2021 by Snake Diggity

[gsoda3 3,364]

23 minutes ago, shadow_operative said:

Ramey, to me, reminds me a little bit of Tony Allen, and i think that with better coaching he could have become a poor man's Allen. 

what was his game like?  i can't remember anything he did on offense.  

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7 minutes ago, gsoda3 said:

what was his game like?  i can't remember anything he did on offense.  

Allen was outstanding defensively, and was a better scorer than Ramey. Ramey is a better shooter, but is pretty far behind Allen offensively from inside the three point line. Allen is 6'4" while Ramey is 6'3", with Allen having a bigger build. both have that "junkyard dog" tenacity and game, and that "i want the ball in my hands" mindset. Allen was a seriously good college player, and i doubt that Ramey could have quite reached his level even with better coaching, but they do have a lot of similarities in mind frame and play style.

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3 minutes ago, shadow_operative said:

Allen was outstanding defensively, and was a better scorer than Ramey. Ramey is a better shooter, but is pretty far behind Allen offensively from inside the three point line. Allen is 6'4" while Ramey is 6'3", with Allen having a bigger build. both have that "junkyard dog" tenacity and game, and that "i want the ball in my hands" mindset. Allen was a seriously good college player, and i doubt that Ramey could have quite reached his level even with better coaching, but they do have a lot of similarities in mind frame and play style.

i just remember allen being a rangy defender with long legs and arms.  sounds like a good comp though.  i was trying to think of an example of a 3 pt spot up shooter (i know ramey's not that, but he's closer to that than he is to an all-around scorer than jcb) and hubert davis came to mind.  

[HookEm 2,509]

5 minutes ago, Snake Diggity said:

No way Askew only plays 14 mpg.  He would not be here if he hadn’t been promised more than that.  I think anyone they add from here on out will not be someone they have to promise significant playin time to. My guess:

Jones, Allen, Disu, Bishop: 30 mpg

Askew, Ramey: 25 mpg

Cunningham, Febres, Tyson: 15 mpg

TBD G, TBD F: 10 mpg

TBD G, TBD F (likely walk-ons): <5 mpg

I agree with most of that, I was mainly trying to find a way to get another one of the elite transfer guards onto the team.  But I'm starting to think if Ramey is back, then we won't be getting another elite guard, which I'm fine with.  If we get a lesser player, then the numbers are probably close. 

Regarding Tony Allen, he didn't have much offensive game (although he scored 16 ppg at OSU). He spent like 90% of his energy locking down the other team's best guard. He was a monster on the defensive end for a few seasons.  Not a terrible comparison.

A little closer to home, I'm hoping Ramey can have a jump more like Royal Ivey from his junior to senior year.  Ramey is already a better offensive player, but is much more careless with the ball.  

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I did see on BON where Devontae Jones said he saw himself as a fit among 3 other guards at Texas (Jones, Ramey, and Askew), and he included Texas in his final 4 to be decided on Saturday, so maybe there is a chance for him.  Would be a huge get.  PT could be divided this way:

A Jones, Disu, Allen: 30 mpg 

Bishop, Askew, Ramey, D Jones: 25 mpg

Cunningham, Febres, Tyson, TBD F: 10 mpg

2 TBD (likely walk-ons or late signing HS recruits ok with redshirting): 5 mpg

Edited April 28, 2021 by Snake Diggity

[MotownHorn 1,909]

23 hours ago, shadow_operative said:

anyone who isn't interested in this retarded little spat in having with my stalker @MotownHorn needs to scroll right past this.

Hey retard- here's what a 30 second search of your recent posting history shows: you constantly going out of your way to talk shit to/about me. in every single instance it is you who initiates the encounter. it's literally never me. 

 

 

so you can keep on with your little fairytale projection fantasyland where i seek you out and not versa, but let the record show that you are full of shit. you and @RichUT can also suck each other's ducks and die slow. mental illness isn't funny, and talking shit like this to a person who you know is mentally ill is fucking foul. leave me the fuck alone, or i'm going to continue to respond to you in kind, and nobody around here wants that. 

Dude no one cares about this other than you. That includes me. I literally don’t even read these rants. 
 

Just stop.

[shadow_operative 15,932]

you know, there's a better way to prove that you don't care about me or anything i say. 

Spoiler

stop incessantly and obsessively following me around posting ad hominem personal attacks towards me, stop constantly engaging me with your combative nonsense out of nowhere, and start actually ignoring me/leaving me alone.

wild idea, i know, but i feel like it would really prove your point more than your current MO. 

Edited April 28, 2021 by shadow_operative

[shadow_operative 15,932]

43 minutes ago, MotownHorn said:

Dude no one cares about this other than you. That includes me. I literally don’t even read these rants. 
 

Just stop.

machinator posted a spoiler'd $9.95 article a few days ago, and when i posted a TL;DR recap of it- literally just two sentences which factually recapped the $9.95 article- you responded by quoting me and talking a bunch of shit about how i'm obsessed with Shaka Smart and how i needed to leave the thread. this is what you do, constantly, while i literally never engage you. 

you are a fucking child who is obsessed with me. that you have the gall/lack of self awareness to tell me to "stop" what i'm doing (posting? minding my own business?) should embarrass you, but it doesn't, for obvious reasons. feel free to go ahead and stop this nonsense on your own. i can't stop you from following me around running our mouth- only you can. 

edit: cue motownhorn screaming about how he doesn't read anything i say and how i need to stop all of this. 

Edited April 28, 2021 by shadow_operative

[Machinator 32,103]

Gerry

Spoiler

Just had a person plugged into the AAU scene in the Houston area predict Sahvir Wheeler would end up at Texas. We shall see if that pans out.

 

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Edited April 28, 2021 by texasstrong12

[Js1 87,320]

 

[Braff Zacklin 13,676]

No offense to Mr. Ramey, but there's zero chance he gets drafted this year, so ... welcome back??!

[Machinator 32,103]

[maninblack 7,975]

If this team jells holy fuck we're going to be good

[justhookit 4,208]

Fuck yes. Sims and a guard and we can fill out the roster with midgets for all I care.

[Js1 87,320]

5 minutes ago, maninblack said:

If this team jells holy fuck we're going to be good

 

[shadow_operative 15,932]

5 minutes ago, maninblack said:

If this team jells holy fuck we're going to be good

pos rep for correctly using "jells". 

[Machinator 32,103]

 

[HookEm 2,509]

Awesome news and smart move by Ramey. He won’t make the NBA this year, but an awesome year next year could find him on a roster.

At this point I’m good with the team as-is. With another year of experience and some better coaching, this team as constructed is good enough to be very competitive next year.

At guard we trade Coleman and Williams for Askew, but get another year of coaching and experience for everyone. I would say that is a slight downgrade.

At forward, we trade Kai Jones, Greg Brown and Liddell for Allen, Bishop and Tyson plus a healthy year of Febres. That is a moderate upgrade in my view. Last year’s group had potential but Allen will be better next year than any of them.

At center we swap Sims for Disu. This is pretty even. Sims is a better defender, but Disu is more skilled and probably a better rebounder.

Then take away Shaka and add Beard and we are looking very good. We finished the regular season #9 and this group looks better than that overall. If we add a good point guard, this looks like a top-5 squad to me.

[OU Sucks 9,405]

1 hour ago, Machinator said:

Gerry

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Just had a person plugged into the AAU scene in the Houston area predict Sahvir Wheeler would end up at Texas. We shall see if that pans out.

 

What's the record for number of double-digit scoring transfers in one off-season?

[texifornia 59,090]

3 hours ago, shadow_operative said:

pos rep for correctly using "jells". 

a) I write professionally and had never used "jell" instead of "gel", but lo and behold it's a real word.

b) holy shit the Merriam-Webster definition references the fucking TCU OFFENSIVE LINE: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/jell#synonyms

[Napoleon 8,855]

8 hours ago, HookEm said:

...At this point I’m good with the team as-is... We finished the regular season #9 and this group looks better than that overall. If we add a good point guard, this looks like a top-5 squad to me.

I'm buying!

[Snake Diggity 4,756]

Sweet 16 is a totally reasonable expectation.  If they add another viable point guard and another viable big man, it’s all on the table.

[Bevo14 8,470]

11 hours ago, texifornia said:

a) I write professionally and had never used "jell" instead of "gel", but lo and behold it's a real word.

b) holy shit the Merriam-Webster definition references the fucking TCU OFFENSIVE LINE: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/jell#synonyms

Weird. Didn't see them referenced here: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cockroach

[pacman 7,520]

11 hours ago, texifornia said:

a) I write professionally and had never used "jell" instead of "gel", but lo and behold it's a real word.

b) holy shit the Merriam-Webster definition references the fucking TCU OFFENSIVE LINE: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/jell#synonyms

Finally! I got smarter for reading surly.

[GreenspointTexas 9,995]

1 hour ago, Snake Diggity said:

Sweet 16 is a totally reasonable expectation.  If they add another viable point guard and another viable big man, it’s all on the table.

Lets just focus on winning an ncaa tourney game first

[Burt Macklin 19,230]

11 minutes ago, GreenspointTexas said:

Lets just focus on winning an ncaa tourney game first

Shaka Smart’s not our coach anymore. We can set the bar higher. 

[MotownHorn 1,909]

17 hours ago, shadow_operative said:

machinator posted a spoiler'd $9.95 article a few days ago, and when i posted a TL;DR recap of it- literally just two sentences which factually recapped the $9.95 article- you responded by quoting me and talking a bunch of shit about how i'm obsessed with Shaka Smart and how i needed to leave the thread. this is what you do, constantly, while i literally never engage you. 

you are a fucking child who is obsessed with me. that you have the gall/lack of self awareness to tell me to "stop" what i'm doing (posting? minding my own business?) should embarrass you, but it doesn't, for obvious reasons. feel free to go ahead and stop this nonsense on your own. i can't stop you from following me around running our mouth- only you can. 

edit: cue motownhorn screaming about how he doesn't read anything i say and how i need to stop all of this. 

SSSSTTTTTOOOOOOOPPPPPPPP

[Catdaddyhorn 3,468]

Expected and now confirmed.  

[Js1 87,320]

Thanks for everything, Matt! Good luck!

[Guest Lobo]

Best of luck to Matt.  Great young man.  

Is Tyson official yet?  I saw a conflicting note on a hoops recruiting tracker.  SIAP.

It feels like Greg Brown is gonna take every day of this next month to decide.  And that's fine.  There's now a great deal to soak in with tectonic shifts in coaches and rosters.  I'll leave to you NBA guys to project how many big men may go ahead of him, but it seems like he could really thrive next year and move up to Top 10 money.  

[MoJames 8,258]

So Simms and Brown

And we have Wright, Wheeler and Mahorcic interested?

Anyone else?

[Machinator 32,103]

16 minutes ago, Lobo said:

Is Tyson official yet?  I saw a conflicting note on a hoops recruiting tracker.  SIAP.

 

 

[texasstrong12 4,668]

2 minutes ago, MoJames said:

So Simms and Brown

And we have Wright, Wheeler and Mahorcic interested?

Anyone else?

New names pop up in the portal every day. 

I’m sure Texas will start engaging some other transfers. 

[Guest Lobo]

My bad, I meant Tyson Walker from Northeastern.  But great news about Jaylon Tyson.  

Show me a (roster) loss!  /cbeard

[texasstrong12 4,668]

Borzello has Texas at #14. 

 

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[Eskimohorn 5,682]

GBIII is an interesting NBA prospect. He reminds me of Robert Horry. Shooter, Slasher, Rebounder.

But Kai Jones seems looser, has better handles and oozes athleticism and potential. GBIII seems kind of stiff. Not sure if he’ll fit in the modern game as well. And GBIII is not NBA-ready now. Not if he cant find the court for 10 minutes in March.

Jericho Simms looks NBA ready now, but as a career back-up. Needs to tighten fundamentals and become more consistent.

For GBIII, he needs to demonstrate maturity. He’d be better off returning to avoid being a 2nd rounder and D-Leaguer. The risk is that his game continues to get exposed and he’s no longer perceived as an elite prospect.

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47 minutes ago, Machinator said:

 

makes you appreciate TJ's 527 assists in 66 games (Coleman got his 477 ast in 128 games), as well as Johnny Moore's 714 (!!!) assists in 112 games. 

[Eskimohorn 5,682]

makes you appreciate TJ's 527 assists in 66 games (Coleman got his 477 ast in 128 games), as well as Johnny Moore's 714 (!!!) assists in 112 games. 

But in Johnny Moore’s day, he got an assist every time he smiled during a made basket

[Guest Lobo]

I still couldn't tell you the rules behind what qualifies as an assist in college basketball.  I just know it's different than the one in the NBA and involves either more dribbling, or less dribbling.  Or the same.  

In other news, Beard has his full coaching ensemble posted on the UT roster site:

https://texassports.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster

Chris Ogden got promoted from Portfolio Manager to Managing Director apparently.  

[realgreggym 838]

25 minutes ago, Eskimohorn said:

But in Johnny Moore’s day, he got an assist every time he smiled during a made basket

and he deserved every one of them.

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BEST HIRE: When Shaka Smart left for Marquette, there was only one call for Texas AD Chris Del Conte to make: the one to 48-year-old Texas Tech head coach Chris Beard. Beard, a former Longhorns student assistant to Tom Penders, made Texas Tech relevant, taking the Red Raiders to the Elite Eight in 2018 and the national title game in 2019. Beard should be able to do what Smart could not in his six seasons in Austin: win in the NCAA tourney.

 

MOST BAFFLING MOVE BY A COACH, PART I: Chris Ogden left his head gig at UT Arlington for a spot on Chris Beard’s staff at Texas that doesn’t even include him being on the road recruiting. Ogden is a Texas alum, and extremely close with Beard, and the lure was him having a chance to help run the program from a macro level and build the Longhorns into a national championship-caliber team.

 

BEST (AND MOST EXPENSIVE) STAFF: Texas’ Chris Beard brought assistant Ulric Maligi with him from Lubbock, and also plucked Jerrance Howard from Bill Self’s staff at Kansas. Then he went out and convinced two sitting head coaches, and two guys who weren’t in danger of losing their jobs, to come back to Austin. UTEP’s Rodney Terry, who was on Rick Barnes’ staff at UT from 2002-11, left with a couple years remaining on his contract to become the associate head coach. Beard also persuaded former Texas player Chris Ogden to leave his head job at UT Arlington to become the program’s managing director. Ogden was an assistant from 2008-15 in Austin.

https://watchstadium.com/2021-coaching-carousel-superlatives-best-hire-biggest-risk-and-more-04-28-2021/

More "Jeff Goodman loves the hire" porn.

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2 hours ago, shadow_operative said:

makes you appreciate TJ's 527 assists in 66 games (Coleman got his 477 ast in 128 games), as well as Johnny Moore's 714 (!!!) assists in 112 games. 

I appreciated Johnny Moore and TJ (including their assists) before Coleman showed up at the 40. 

p.s. I also appreciate Matt's efforts here.

[maninblack 7,975]

3 hours ago, Eskimohorn said:

GBIII is an interesting NBA prospect. He reminds me of Robert Horry. Shooter, Slasher, Rebounder.

Brown doesn't have anything close to Horry's basketball IQ though

[conVINCEd 21,477]

5 minutes ago, maninblack said:

Brown doesn't have anything close to Horry's basketball IQ though

Or the clutchiness.