Texas basketball '21-'22: Welcome Chris Beard

[HookEm 2467]

GBIII reminds me a little of Dennis Rodman in the way he runs and moves. He looks simultaneously a little goofy and extremely athletic. I think he actually has really good rebounding instinct FWIW.

[shadow_operative 15932]

mike of us really knows shit about what GB III's future holds. not enough information. GB went from HS All American with ridiculous upside, to completely stagnating and dealing with the worst year of his athletic life under a coach who has no idea how to utilize his players, and who obviously had some personal beef with GB III. this was a wasted year for Greg, but the kid is still 19 or 20 years old and still just as much upside and potential as he did a year ago. if he gets good coaching there's no telling how good he can become. i don't know anything s out his work ethic or "coachability", but if those two things aren't issues then i will be 0% surprised to watch him have a 12 year NBA career.

[Machinator 32099]

 

[maninblack 7974]

Beard all around athlete

[justhookit 4191]

I guess I’ll just stick this here.

Probably no Sims (big change from everything I heard until now), very solid chance (80%) at Wheeler. He’s told us he’s coming. My info comes from the same people that nailed what happened with Shaka and told me Disu was ours long before he committed.

so we still need a big and it’s going to be a project unless Beard can pull a rabbit out of BWG’s ass.

[justhookit 4191]

I’ll also add they missed - so far - on Ramey. He was headed to the g-league or overseas. I hope the new news on him is right because we desperately need his 3 point shooting.

[shadow_operative 15932]

Ramey is coming back, he announced it yesterday. 

[Napoleon 8672]

8 hours ago, HookEm said:

GBIII reminds me a little of Dennis Rodman in the way he runs and moves. He looks simultaneously a little goofy and extremely athletic. I think he actually has really good rebounding instinct FWIW.

I felt like Kai Jones was a John Salley/Dennis Rodman combo from when they first landed in Detroit.

I felt like Greg Brown was a shorter version of the exact same thing.

I feel like Greg Brown has barely been "coached" outside of his dad giving him pointers. He needs actual coaching in a major way. 


FULL DISCLOSURE: The last time I played organized basketball was in 6th grade at The Y.

[Snake Diggity 4622]

5 guards: Jones, Wheeler*, Askew, Ramey, Febres

4 swing forwards: Allen, Bishop, Cunningham, Tyson

2 bigs: Disu, TBD

If they really do add Wheeler and any big man who can contribute, I’m all in on this team.

 

[Machinator 32099]

(Gerry Hamilton) Texas on cusp of being a Top 10 team

Spoiler

The goal for Chris Beard and staff in year one is simple. Put together a team capable of competing to get to the Final Four, and win a National Championship.

With the addition power forward Dylan Disu and the return of All-Big 12 third team selection Courtney Ramey, Chris Beard has Texas knocking on the door as a top 10 ranked team headed into the 2021-22 season.

The current nine man roster is one of the more experienced teams in college basketball with 417 high-major starts and 590 games played, and will only gain more experience as the roster finalizes.

While the experience is there to gain a lot of national attention, so is the versatility with a number of players that know how to play and can impact the game in a variety of ways.

Disu was the leading rebounder in the SEC in 2020-21, but it’s his ability to stretch the floor that will make the Texas offense tough to defend. Disu connected on over 200 three-pointers in high school, and made a big jump from freshman to sophomore season at Vanderbilt connecting on 36.9% from long range.

Timmy Allen is one of the more versatile forwards in college basketball. The first team All-Pac-12 selection is a scorer, rebounder and playmaker that converts at the free throw line.

A third very talented forward to join the program out of the portal is Christian Bishop. The 6-foot-7 high-flyer and Creighton transfer needs only to make a jump in converting at the free throw line, and knock down a few more face up mid-range jumpers to take his game to another level.

While making a decent sized jump from year one to year two in college basketball by Devin Askew will be huge in terms of maximizing the Texas team next season, the Longhorns return plenty of guard experience around the 6-foot-3 Kentucky transfer. Andrew Jones and Ramey return for a final season in Austin after earning second team All-Big 12 and third team All-Big 12 honors by the leagues coaches. The duo has nearly 200 games of high-major experience, including 142 starts.

Texas also returns key role players in three-pointer shooter Jase Febres and dirty work defender Brock Cunningham, but it’s the addition of 6-foot-6 freshman guard Jaylon Tyson that will be a key piece off the bench. Tyson connected on over 200 three-pointers his last two seasons in high school, and has blossomed into a top 40 prospect nationally.

The Longhorns current nine man roster has five players that averaged double-figures scoring a season ago, something that hasn’t happened before in program history -- with the understanding that the five players didn’t play together last season.

The Longhorns 2021-22 team is not without needs remaining to be addressed with another guard and big man still needed to head into the season with the front line talent and depth the staff desires. Ideally, the Longhorns would fill the final guard spot with a point guard or another combo guard that is a perimeter threat. A rim protector is the goal on the interior, but adding another versatile big that can stretch the floor would be welcomed if a rim protector doesn’t appear.

Current roster:
CG Devin Askew, 6-3 (6.5 points, 2.5 rebounds, 2.9 assists in 2020-21)
-25 games played, including 20 starts
-34.5% FG’s (49-142), 27.8% from three (15-54) and 80.6% FT’s (50-62) in 2020-21
-Askew reached double figures seven times in 25 games. He posted 4+ assists nine times, and 5+ rebounds three times.

CG Courtney Ramey, 6-3 (12.2 points, 3.2 rebounds, 3.9 assists in 2020-21)
-94 games played, including 74 starts
-38.3% FG’s (103-269), 41.4% from three (48-116) and 83.1% FT’s (64-77) in 2020-21.
-Has made 145 three-pointers at 37.0% for his career. Scored 954 points in 94 games at Texas.
-Scored 20 or more points six times at Texas, and 15 points or more 20 times.

SG Andrew Jones, 6-4 (14.6 points, 4.5 rebounds, 2.3 assists in 2020-21)
-102 games played, including 68 starts
-40.4% FG’s (128-317), 33.8% from three (54-160) and 83.1% FT’s (69-83) in 2020-21
-Scored 20 points or more five times last season, as well as 15 points or more 11 times. Posted three or more assists 12 times. Knocked down three or more three-pointers in a game 10 times last season.
-Has 178 career makes from the three-point line at 35.7%. Scored 1,251 points in 102 games at Texas.

SG Jase Febres, 6-5 (5.2 points, 1.5 rebounds in 2020-21)
-104 games played, including 62 starts
-39.3% FG’s (22-56), 39.2% from three (20-51) and 4-4 FT’s in 2020-21.
-Has scored 716 points in 104 games at Texas. Has 192 made three-pointers at 36.2%.
-Scored in double figures 31 times at Texas. Recorded four games of 20 points or more, and 14 games of 15 points or more.

G/W Jaylon Tyson, 6-6
-top 40 ranked prospect in 2021 class
-made more than 200 three-pointers the last two years playing for Plano John Paul II

F Brock Cunningham, 6-5 (1.6 points, 3.1 rebounds in 2020-21)
-41 games played with one start

F Timmy Allen, 6-6 (17.2 points, 6.4 rebounds, 3.9 assists in 2020-21)
-46.5% FG’s (155-333), 26.8% from three (11-41) and 76.9% FT’s (110-143) in 2020-21
-85 games played, including 82 starts
-Allen scored 20 points or more eight times in 2020-21, and 15 points or more in 18 of 25 games. Posted four double-doubles and 11 games of four or more assists
-Allen has scored 20 or more points 22 times in 85 games played, and 15 or more points 47 times.

PF Christian Bishop, 6-7 (11.0 points, 6.4 rebounds, 1.1 blocks in 2020-21)
-68.1% FG’s (141-207), 1-4 from three, 56.2% FT’s (59-105) in 2020-21
-90 games played, including 62 starts
-Bishop scored 15 or more points in six games last season, and posted six double-doubles. He posted three or more assists five times.

PF Dylan Disu, 6-9 (15.0 points, 9.2 rebounds in 2020-21)
-49.2% FG’s (89-181), 36.9% from three (24-65) and 73.6% FT’s (53-72) in 2020-21
-49 games played, 48 starts.
-Scored 20 or more points once last season, and 15 points or more 10 times. He posted six double-doubles.
-Disu has made 75 threes in 49 games.

Not likely to return:
PF Greg Brown, 6-9 (9.3 points, 6.2 rebounds in 2020-21)

C Jericho Sims, 6-10 (9.2 points, 7.2 rebounds in 2020-21)

Key transfers in play:
PG DeVante Jones, 6-1, Coastal Carolina (19.3 points, 7.2 rebounds, 2.9 assists, 2.8 steals in 2020-21)
-122 three-pointers made in three seasons at 33.4%. Shot over 80% from the free-throw line in each season.

*Announcing decision Saturday with Michigan considered the favorite.

PG Sahvir Wheeler, 5-10, Georgia (14.0 points, 3.8 rebounds, 7.4 assists, 1.7 steals in 2020-21)
-Top 5 in national in assists per game last season. Converted 73.8% of his free-throws.

Another PG/CG Texas is taking a look at now is Timmy Allen's teammate last year at Utah ... just hit the portal Thursday

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/stats/_/id/4601025/pelle-larsson

 

[Snake Diggity 4622]

3 hours ago, Machinator said:

(Gerry Hamilton) Texas on cusp of being a Top 10 team

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The goal for Chris Beard and staff in year one is simple. Put together a team capable of competing to get to the Final Four, and win a National Championship.

With the addition power forward Dylan Disu and the return of All-Big 12 third team selection Courtney Ramey, Chris Beard has Texas knocking on the door as a top 10 ranked team headed into the 2021-22 season.

The current nine man roster is one of the more experienced teams in college basketball with 417 high-major starts and 590 games played, and will only gain more experience as the roster finalizes.

While the experience is there to gain a lot of national attention, so is the versatility with a number of players that know how to play and can impact the game in a variety of ways.

Disu was the leading rebounder in the SEC in 2020-21, but it’s his ability to stretch the floor that will make the Texas offense tough to defend. Disu connected on over 200 three-pointers in high school, and made a big jump from freshman to sophomore season at Vanderbilt connecting on 36.9% from long range.

Timmy Allen is one of the more versatile forwards in college basketball. The first team All-Pac-12 selection is a scorer, rebounder and playmaker that converts at the free throw line.

A third very talented forward to join the program out of the portal is Christian Bishop. The 6-foot-7 high-flyer and Creighton transfer needs only to make a jump in converting at the free throw line, and knock down a few more face up mid-range jumpers to take his game to another level.

While making a decent sized jump from year one to year two in college basketball by Devin Askew will be huge in terms of maximizing the Texas team next season, the Longhorns return plenty of guard experience around the 6-foot-3 Kentucky transfer. Andrew Jones and Ramey return for a final season in Austin after earning second team All-Big 12 and third team All-Big 12 honors by the leagues coaches. The duo has nearly 200 games of high-major experience, including 142 starts.

Texas also returns key role players in three-pointer shooter Jase Febres and dirty work defender Brock Cunningham, but it’s the addition of 6-foot-6 freshman guard Jaylon Tyson that will be a key piece off the bench. Tyson connected on over 200 three-pointers his last two seasons in high school, and has blossomed into a top 40 prospect nationally.

The Longhorns current nine man roster has five players that averaged double-figures scoring a season ago, something that hasn’t happened before in program history -- with the understanding that the five players didn’t play together last season.

The Longhorns 2021-22 team is not without needs remaining to be addressed with another guard and big man still needed to head into the season with the front line talent and depth the staff desires. Ideally, the Longhorns would fill the final guard spot with a point guard or another combo guard that is a perimeter threat. A rim protector is the goal on the interior, but adding another versatile big that can stretch the floor would be welcomed if a rim protector doesn’t appear.

Current roster:
CG Devin Askew, 6-3 (6.5 points, 2.5 rebounds, 2.9 assists in 2020-21)
-25 games played, including 20 starts
-34.5% FG’s (49-142), 27.8% from three (15-54) and 80.6% FT’s (50-62) in 2020-21
-Askew reached double figures seven times in 25 games. He posted 4+ assists nine times, and 5+ rebounds three times.

CG Courtney Ramey, 6-3 (12.2 points, 3.2 rebounds, 3.9 assists in 2020-21)
-94 games played, including 74 starts
-38.3% FG’s (103-269), 41.4% from three (48-116) and 83.1% FT’s (64-77) in 2020-21.
-Has made 145 three-pointers at 37.0% for his career. Scored 954 points in 94 games at Texas.
-Scored 20 or more points six times at Texas, and 15 points or more 20 times.

SG Andrew Jones, 6-4 (14.6 points, 4.5 rebounds, 2.3 assists in 2020-21)
-102 games played, including 68 starts
-40.4% FG’s (128-317), 33.8% from three (54-160) and 83.1% FT’s (69-83) in 2020-21
-Scored 20 points or more five times last season, as well as 15 points or more 11 times. Posted three or more assists 12 times. Knocked down three or more three-pointers in a game 10 times last season.
-Has 178 career makes from the three-point line at 35.7%. Scored 1,251 points in 102 games at Texas.

SG Jase Febres, 6-5 (5.2 points, 1.5 rebounds in 2020-21)
-104 games played, including 62 starts
-39.3% FG’s (22-56), 39.2% from three (20-51) and 4-4 FT’s in 2020-21.
-Has scored 716 points in 104 games at Texas. Has 192 made three-pointers at 36.2%.
-Scored in double figures 31 times at Texas. Recorded four games of 20 points or more, and 14 games of 15 points or more.

G/W Jaylon Tyson, 6-6
-top 40 ranked prospect in 2021 class
-made more than 200 three-pointers the last two years playing for Plano John Paul II

F Brock Cunningham, 6-5 (1.6 points, 3.1 rebounds in 2020-21)
-41 games played with one start

F Timmy Allen, 6-6 (17.2 points, 6.4 rebounds, 3.9 assists in 2020-21)
-46.5% FG’s (155-333), 26.8% from three (11-41) and 76.9% FT’s (110-143) in 2020-21
-85 games played, including 82 starts
-Allen scored 20 points or more eight times in 2020-21, and 15 points or more in 18 of 25 games. Posted four double-doubles and 11 games of four or more assists
-Allen has scored 20 or more points 22 times in 85 games played, and 15 or more points 47 times.

PF Christian Bishop, 6-7 (11.0 points, 6.4 rebounds, 1.1 blocks in 2020-21)
-68.1% FG’s (141-207), 1-4 from three, 56.2% FT’s (59-105) in 2020-21
-90 games played, including 62 starts
-Bishop scored 15 or more points in six games last season, and posted six double-doubles. He posted three or more assists five times.

PF Dylan Disu, 6-9 (15.0 points, 9.2 rebounds in 2020-21)
-49.2% FG’s (89-181), 36.9% from three (24-65) and 73.6% FT’s (53-72) in 2020-21
-49 games played, 48 starts.
-Scored 20 or more points once last season, and 15 points or more 10 times. He posted six double-doubles.
-Disu has made 75 threes in 49 games.

Not likely to return:
PF Greg Brown, 6-9 (9.3 points, 6.2 rebounds in 2020-21)

C Jericho Sims, 6-10 (9.2 points, 7.2 rebounds in 2020-21)

Key transfers in play:
PG DeVante Jones, 6-1, Coastal Carolina (19.3 points, 7.2 rebounds, 2.9 assists, 2.8 steals in 2020-21)
-122 three-pointers made in three seasons at 33.4%. Shot over 80% from the free-throw line in each season.

*Announcing decision Saturday with Michigan considered the favorite.

PG Sahvir Wheeler, 5-10, Georgia (14.0 points, 3.8 rebounds, 7.4 assists, 1.7 steals in 2020-21)
-Top 5 in national in assists per game last season. Converted 73.8% of his free-throws.

Another PG/CG Texas is taking a look at now is Timmy Allen's teammate last year at Utah ... just hit the portal Thursday

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/stats/_/id/4601025/pelle-larsson

 

I wonder if Pelle Larsson’s dad is the Frank Sinatra of Sweden.

[Catdaddyhorn 3444]

2 hours ago, Bevo said:

https://www.sltrib.com/sports/utah-utes/2021/04/29/prized-utah-mens/

 

Larsson averaged 8.2 points, 3.2 rebounds, and 2.8 assists per game

I said it another thread, but I'd rather this guy than Wheeler. For such a short guy I'm surprised that Wheeler isn't more of a quick twitch or super speedy player. I'd rather get a guy like Larsson who looks to have a multifaceted and mature skillset in a 6'5" body. He's Jace Febres with actual game or an analogue to AJ1. Plus he's the type of guy I'd like to see starting alongside Arterio Morris and Keyonte George the year after next. 

 

 

Edited April 30, 2021 by Catdaddyhorn

[Rockethorn1978 6077]

At this point I like and want guys that can score and shoot and give max effort and hustle. If you do that size doesn't matter.

[Machinator 32099]

IT

Spoiler

Inside Texas continues to believe Coastal Carolina guard DeVante Jones will pick Michigan over Texas, Texas Tech, and Memphis.

IT also believes Georgia transfer Sahvir Wheeler and Texas aren't going to end up being a fit due to Wheeler and his circle‘s expectations of overall minutes and differing opinions on his post-college talent level.

The Texas staff has two or three more irons in the fire at guard.

 

[Js1 85313]

Sucks to miss out on Jones, but I’ll take the Swede over Wheeler 

[Machinator 32099]

[Catdaddyhorn 3444]

12 minutes ago, Machinator said:

IT

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Inside Texas continues to believe Coastal Carolina guard DeVante Jones will pick Michigan over Texas, Texas Tech, and Memphis.

IT also believes Georgia transfer Sahvir Wheeler and Texas aren't going to end up being a fit due to Wheeler and his circle‘s expectations of overall minutes and differing opinions on his post-college talent level.

The Texas staff has two or three more irons in the fire at guard.

 

Music to my ears. Get Larsson, hope for SIms, and let's saddle up for next year. 

[UDontKnow 10444]

9 hours ago, justhookit said:

I guess I’ll just stick this here.

Probably no Sims (big change from everything I heard until now), very solid chance (80%) at Wheeler. He’s told us he’s coming. My info comes from the same people that nailed what happened with Shaka and told me Disu was ours long before he committed.

so we still need a big and it’s going to be a project unless Beard can pull a rabbit out of BWG’s ass.

IT is saying no Wheeler because he wants too many minutes and thinks he can play in the NBA. I hope IT is wrong.

[Js1 85313]

My preference now is:

Jones (unlikely)
Swede

 

Wheeler

[justhookit 4191]

Yeah I don’t understand the NBA part. Maybe Ramey coming back changed things. I really thought he’d fit well distributing the ball to the scorers we’ve added.

[UDontKnow 10444]

1 minute ago, justhookit said:

Yeah I don’t understand the NBA part. Maybe Ramey coming back changed things. I really thought he’d fit well distributing the ball to the scorers we’ve added.

This. This is what the team needs considering they have five players on the roster that averaged double digit points. There is only one rock to score with and someone needs to distribute it.

Adding Devante Jones would create a logjam and in the off chance he gets drafted, he's going to bounce.

[BornOrange 1441]

My big question:

Is Ramey steady enough to be the primary ball-handler, especially against a pressure defense?

[texasstrong12 4668]

6 minutes ago, BornOrange said:

My big question:

Is Ramey steady enough to be the primary ball-handler, especially against a pressure defense?

The staff seems very high on Askew as the primary ball-handler because outside of maybe Wheeler none of the transfers are really what you would consider PGs/distributors.   

 

 

Edited April 30, 2021 by texasstrong12

[Burt Macklin 19020]

1 hour ago, longhornmatt said:

It sounds like we’re probably going to get Wheeler so I’m sure I’ll find things about his game to like, but it looks like he can’t really shoot.  22% from 3 last year, and very few makes and attempts both years at Georgia.

Well, I just saw Machinator’s post, and it looks like we may get our wish, at least on Wheeler.  Askew, Ramey, and the Utah guy would be fine at PG.

Yeah, I’ve had reservations about him because I don’t think a poor shooting, high TO, ball dominant guys is what we need. It’s really hard to get past a 40/23/74 shooting line while averaging 4.4 TOs per game. That’s almost double what Ramey and Coleman averaged last year. 

 

38 minutes ago, UDontKnow said:

This. This is what the team needs considering they have five players on the roster that averaged double digit points. There is only one rock to score with and someone needs to distribute it.

Adding Devante Jones would create a logjam and in the off chance he gets drafted, he's going to bounce.

Im not so sure about that. Beard’s offenses are at their best when they’re more motion-oriented, and Coleman, Askew, Jones, Allen, and Disu are all guys who can create on their own.
Plus Wheeler hurts spacing since he can’t shoot. 

[dogbreath 434]

14 minutes ago, longhornmatt said:

Allen is going to need the ball in his hands on offense in the half court.   He’s not a spot up on the perimeter and wait for a PG to distribute kind of player.  Neither is Jones, really, for that matter.  I don’t know that a PG pounding the air out of the ball fits real well with that group, especially since Allen isn’t a big three point shooting threat if we’re having him space the floor while a PG tries to create.

Fully agree here.  Allen is going to be a Culver type and I'll take the Swede as a better fit as he reminds of Moretti.  I hope that Larrson's late decision to join the portal is due to talking to Allen.    

[Guest Lobo]

Our hoops team next year is starting to remind me of the '97 Marlins.  

[hookemATL 11715]

17 minutes ago, Lobo said:

Our hoops team next year is starting to remind me of the '97 Marlins.  

Livan Hernandez and Josh Beckett should give us solid minutes. 

Edited April 30, 2021 by hookemATL
Beckett was the 03 team. I’ll flog myself out

[Guest Lobo]

With Conine running the point.  

No, I meant Beard is really taking advantage of the extra year available to current seniors, re-recruiting a few other guys to stay instead of declare/transfer, and then loading up from the transfer portal.  The Covid-19 situation is obviously a major driver, but so is the excitement of a new coach with proven excellence.  A great recruit coming in Jaylon Tyson.  New arena just around the corner (time-wise) and just a frenzy of high quality players moving around the country like the July 31st MLB trade deadline.  Hopefully some of these guys will stick around for the 2022-23 season if they still have eligibility, but it seems like Beard is going on all in with the rule changes and stockpiling as much talent as he can for next year and he'll worry about the minutes later.  

 

[BornOrange 1441]

OK, I guess a better question: Will we be able to consistently get into our half-court offense without a traditional PG, even against a pressure defense?

It seems we have the other parts of the game pretty much taken care of, except for a rim-protector. We have scorers, rebounders, defenders. I'm assuming we will run a motion-type offense where a true PG isn't that necessary. What I am concerned about is getting the ball across midcourt. If that isn't a problem, then we are going to be really good. 

[Machinator 32099]

 

[Catdaddyhorn 3444]

2 hours ago, BornOrange said:

OK, I guess a better question: Will we be able to consistently get into our half-court offense without a traditional PG, even against a pressure defense?

It seems we have the other parts of the game pretty much taken care of, except for a rim-protector. We have scorers, rebounders, defenders. I'm assuming we will run a motion-type offense where a true PG isn't that necessary. What I am concerned about is getting the ball across midcourt. If that isn't a problem, then we are going to be really good. 

People forget this or probably didn't pay as much attention to it last year but when the 2 of them were on the court Ramey's utilization #s were slightly higher than Coleman's last year. Coleman ended a lot of possessions last year aligned at the 3pt baseline with Ramey at the top functionally making Ramey our PG. 

Edited April 30, 2021 by Catdaddyhorn

[Ignatius 4017]

2 hours ago, Lobo said:

Our hoops team next year is starting to remind me of the '97 Marlins.  

Difference is CDC already has his new stadium in the bag....

[maninblack 7974]

4 hours ago, Js1 said:

Sucks to miss out on Jones, but I’ll take the Swede over Wheeler 

Same 

[Wally Pryor 5261]

Cannot love Beard more. 

Perhaps I can.

[Rockwell Torrey 1281]

10 hours ago, Machinator said:

x, 1

[Machinator 32099]

 

[maninblack 7974]

Would've been nice but not unexpected. 

[Pancho 44759]

Interdasting

 

 

[BigOrange1 6436]

45 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Interdasting

 

 

do not tease me.

[SizzleChest 8283]

Don't buy the Bates crap.

I'm buying the Swede.

 

[shadow_operative 15932]

yeah Bates will never play NCAA basketball. 

[Catdaddyhorn 3444]

In the coming years as the Gleague opportunities have entered the equation, I'm curious about which group will have the early career endorsement opportunities flowing towards them. The D1 stars shining on TV every night or the Gleague Elite players spending a year in anonymity? My guess is that on average the D1 guys will have more opportunities early in their careers, but I'm curious about the true game changers like Lebron and Zion who come out over the next decade. Will playing a year in anonymity stunt their commercial opportunities beyond what they otherwise would've been or is it inconsequential?

[Wulaw Horn 19069]

1 hour ago, Catdaddyhorn said:

In the coming years as the Gleague opportunities have entered the equation, I'm curious about which group will have the early career endorsement opportunities flowing towards them. The D1 stars shining on TV every night or the Gleague Elite players spending a year in anonymity? My guess is that on average the D1 guys will have more opportunities early in their careers, but I'm curious about the true game changers like Lebron and Zion who come out over the next decade. Will playing a year in anonymity stunt their commercial opportunities beyond what they otherwise would've been or is it inconsequential?

There is literally zero doubt in my mind that D1 hoops is a better route than G League for a supremely talented player. $250k head start is nothing compared to the exposure that a guy like KD got at UT. The connections made with a university and having teammates that you will stay connected with for years/life  is also much better. 1 year on the G League prospect team is so mercenary and anonymous that no way low 6 figures makes up for that, and the anonymity hurts the immediate earning potential of the rookies. 
Now- if you are Lebron great doesn’t matter obviously. 
really a moot point though as there won’t be that 1 year rule very shortly. 

[Catdaddyhorn 3444]

7 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

There is literally zero doubt in my mind that D1 hoops is a better route than G League for a supremely talented player. $250k head start is nothing compared to the exposure that a guy like KD got at UT. The connections made with a university and having teammates that you will stay connected with for years/life  is also much better. 1 year on the G League prospect team is so mercenary and anonymous that no way low 6 figures makes up for that, and the anonymity hurts the immediate earning potential of the rookies. 
Now- if you are Lebron great doesn’t matter obviously. 
really a moot point though as there won’t be that 1 year rule very shortly. 

I used to believe that, but now I'm of two minds here.

1) Most of the discussion for the removal of the 1yr of college rule happened prior to the Gleague for 1 yr even being a potential concept. There's really no reason for the NBA to change their rule . They went to the one year rule for a specific reason that now has an amenable solution in place. Having the Gleague route available now helps with the issues that came with having to pay 18 year olds who won't contribute and who've never been on their own.

2) However, on the other hand, the grassroots scene has changed significantly over the last 20 years and kids are usually less of the headache that they were back in the early 00s. Mark Cuban was on record discussing the differences between generation Z and the millennials before them. And all the traits of being risk averse and less prone to drug use of their non-basketball playing Gen Z contemporizes apply to the Gen Z bbball players as well. Cuban was on Dallas radio discussing how these kids don't smoke weed and are pretty much homebodies who are on social media all day and are much more aware of the importance of taking care of their bodies at a young age than players before them. So maybe the rule isn't necessary, but I don't see changing the rule to be as much of priority as it was in NBA front offices' minds just 5 years ago 

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4 minutes ago, Catdaddyhorn said:

I used to believe that, but now I'm of two minds here.

1) Most of the discussion for the removal of the 1yr of college rule happened prior to the Gleague for 1 yr even being a potential concept. There's really no reason for the NBA to change their rule . They went to the one year rule for a specific reason that now has an amenable solution in place. Having the Gleague route available now helps with the issues that came with having to pay 18 year olds who won't contribute and who've never been on their own.

2) However, on the other hand, the grassroots scene has changed significantly over the last 20 years and kids are usually less of the headache that they were back in the early 00s. Mark Cuban was on record discussing the differences between generation Z and the millennials before them. And all the traits of being risk averse and less prone to drug use of their non-basketball playing Gen Z contemporizes apply to the Gen Z bbball players as well. Cuban was on Dallas radio discussing how these kids don't smoke weed and are pretty much homebodies who are on social media all day and are much more aware of the importance of taking care of their bodies at a young age than players before them. So maybe the rule isn't necessary, but I don't see changing the rule to be as much of priority as it was in NBA front offices' minds just 5 years ago 

Maybe. I think all that sounds true but still feel like that rule gets changed. 
I think if I was in charge I’d make all kids eligible for the draft at all times and have a 366 day hold with the drafting team. So you have their rights through the next draft if they don’t want to sign with you. 

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Just saw Coach Beard at Hula Hut. Seems like he is enjoying his time in Austin so far!  

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1 hour ago, Catdaddyhorn said:

Gen Z bbball players as well. Cuban was on Dallas radio discussing how these kids don't smoke weed and are pretty much homebodies who are on social media all day and are much more aware of the importance of taking care of their bodies at a young age than players before them. So maybe the rule isn't necessary, but I don't see changing the rule to be as much of priority as it was in NBA front offices' minds just 5 years ago 

Definitely the same case in pro soccer. A generation or two ago and the players had pronounced guts, ate like shit and drank and smoke during the week. Now most are vegans, don’t drink and go to bed at 8. And apps monitor their body 24/7. 

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27 minutes ago, Firemans4Horn said:

Definitely the same case in pro soccer. A generation or two ago and the players had pronounced guts, ate like shit and drank and smoke during the week. Now most are vegans, don’t drink and go to bed at 8. And apps monitor their body 24/7. 

I’ll miss Vlade Divac smoking a cig at halftime.  We aren’t likely to see that happen ever again.  Gave a bit of a nostalgic feel to the game.

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11 hours ago, Firemans4Horn said:

Definitely the same case in pro soccer. A generation or two ago and the players had pronounced guts, ate like shit and drank and smoke during the week. Now most are vegans, don’t drink and go to bed at 8. And apps monitor their body 24/7. 

 

10 hours ago, conVINCEd said:

I’ll miss Vlade Divac smoking a cig at halftime.  We aren’t likely to see that happen ever again.  Gave a bit of a nostalgic feel to the game.

Watched a midweek Champions League semi-final between the two Milans at a place in LA called "Cock 'n Bull" sometime in ~2004/5 and Vlade Divacs was in there as well.

Not positive, but I want to remember that he went outside at halftime for a cigarette. (Since no one else was there from this board, I'm going to say that he did.)

SOCCER + VLADE DIVAC + HALFTIME CIGARETTES = SURLY HAT TRICK

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On 5/1/2021 at 4:03 PM, Wulaw Horn said:

There is literally zero doubt in my mind that D1 hoops is a better route than G League for a supremely talented player. $250k head start is nothing compared to the exposure that a guy like KD got at UT. The connections made with a university and having teammates that you will stay connected with for years/life  is also much better. 1 year on the G League prospect team is so mercenary and anonymous that no way low 6 figures makes up for that, and the anonymity hurts the immediate earning potential of the rookies. 
Now- if you are Lebron great doesn’t matter obviously. 
really a moot point though as there won’t be that 1 year rule very shortly. 

Agreed.  Sure helped for Zion