2021 - Is inflation finally back in the conversation?

[Incredulity 11874]

Good to know I own so much of your brain.  Cupcake.

[52-80 19377]

Make the Federal Fund Rate 10% Again. 

[Immaculate Vibes 114]

 

[StruggleBus 3922]

1 hour ago, Immaculate Vibes said:

 

[Blotto 24011]

Europe has to deal with the same supply chain issues as everyone else, plus they have the shitshow with Russia and have to figure out a way to replace all that russian O&G. Europe's inflationary outlook is probably fucked for awhile. 

[Immaculate Vibes 114]

1 minute ago, Blotto said:

Europe has to deal with the same supply chain issues as everyone else, plus they have the shitshow with Russia and have to figure out a way to replace all that russian O&G. Europe's inflationary outlook is probably fucked for awhile. 

 

[Shaggy3.0 1695]

It's almost like we want inflation, or something.

Who benefits from this economic climate?

 

[Immaculate Vibes 114]

1 hour ago, Shaggy3.0 said:

It's almost like we want inflation, or something.

Who benefits from this economic climate?

 

Geopolitics complicate everything, but almost every policy decision outside of the Fed hiking (which is biggest to be fair) appears to be inflationary.
 

A ton of it is just the reversing of years and years of globalization that was disinflationary. Protectionism, re-onshoring of supply chains.
 

The frustrating one to me is the general approach to energy policy. High energy prices will feed into every part of the global economy. The west have set ourselves up for a lot of this and we don’t appear to be altering course at all. But that’s a whole other thread. 
 

Here’s another likely stimulant. No CR please, just sharing what is likely coming and the official gov position on its effect.  
 

 

[52-80 19377]

14 hours ago, Shaggy3.0 said:

It's almost like we want inflation, or something.

Who benefits from this economic climate?

"the best cure for high prices is high prices"

[52-80 19377]

12 hours ago, Immaculate Vibes said:

counterpoint:  the only cure for high prices is to "give" people even more spending money...

treasury secretary janet yellen expresses contrition for being "wrong about path of inflation"... too bad elected officials cant ever admit the same.

[babysdaddy 2731]

23 hours ago, Immaculate Vibes said:

Geopolitics complicate everything, but almost every policy decision outside of the Fed hiking (which is biggest to be fair) appears to be inflationary.
 

A ton of it is just the reversing of years and years of globalization that was disinflationary. Protectionism, re-onshoring of supply chains.
 

The frustrating one to me is the general approach to energy policy. High energy prices will feed into every part of the global economy. The west have set ourselves up for a lot of this and we don’t appear to be altering course at all. But that’s a whole other thread. 
 

Here’s another likely stimulant. No CR please, just sharing what is likely coming and the official gov position on its effect.  
 

 

I don't think that will be inflationary given nobody has been making any payments on their student loans regardless (i.e. that money is already accounted for in consumer spending).

 

Regardless, nominal growth of US GDP is what the government wants.  Nominal growth reduces debt to gdp.  We did it post ww2 as well.

[Immaculate Vibes 114]

 

[Snake Diggity 4713]

55 minutes ago, Immaculate Vibes said:

 

That headline does not match the tenor of Dimons actual words.  That said, fuck Jamie Dimon.

[Immaculate Vibes 114]

 

[Immaculate Vibes 114]

🤔 

[Cheeseweasel 26439]

7 minutes ago, Immaculate Vibes said:

🤔 

[Dahobbs 18302]

2 hours ago, Immaculate Vibes said:

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That statement is correct. Energy prices are increasing because of issues in the fossil fuel market, not because of renewable energy. Renewable energy is cheaper than fossil fuels and has been for awhile now. Ending reliance on fossil fuels is going to be best way to escape the yo-yo tantrums of that market. And, no, the issues with oil and gas right now aren't anywhere as simple as "we aren't drilling enough."  

[Immaculate Vibes 114]

1 hour ago, Dahobbs said:

That statement is correct. Energy prices are increasing because of issues in the fossil fuel market, not because of renewable energy. Renewable energy is cheaper than fossil fuels and has been for awhile now. Ending reliance on fossil fuels is going to be best way to escape the yo-yo tantrums of that market. And, no, the issues with oil and gas right now aren't anywhere as simple as "we aren't drilling enough."  

Cheaper on what basis? Are you counting subsidies?

 

 

 

[gmr548 16684]

Geopolitics complicate everything, but almost every policy decision outside of the Fed hiking (which is biggest to be fair) appears to be inflationary.
 
A ton of it is just the reversing of years and years of globalization that was disinflationary. Protectionism, re-onshoring of supply chains.
 
The frustrating one to me is the general approach to energy policy. High energy prices will feed into every part of the global economy. The west have set ourselves up for a lot of this and we don’t appear to be altering course at all. But that’s a whole other thread. 
 
Here’s another likely stimulant. No CR please, just sharing what is likely coming and the official gov position on its effect.  
 
 

You are aware that student loan payments have been paused and not accruing interest for two years now, right?

Are you under the impression student loan borrowers have been socking away monthly payments for loans as consumer spending continues to hold up in spite of inflation? Because otherwise, that’s not an additional stimulant. And if you are in fact under that impression - lol.

You could argue that pausing student loan payments for two years is/was a stimulant, absolutely; but that’s not what you said, and we all know why you wouldn’t go there. And of course, you make zero accounting made for the variance in potential policy decisions and outcomes.

This is a perfect example of just taking a low effort political shot while hiding behind the “no CR” note in bad faith.

[Immaculate Vibes 114]

5 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

 

You are aware that student loan payments have been paused and not accruing interest for two years now, right?

Are you under the impression student loan borrowers have been socking away monthly payments for loans as consumer spending continues to hold up in spite of inflation? Because otherwise, that’s not an additional stimulant. And if you are in fact under that impression - lol.

You could argue that pausing student loan payments for two years is/was a stimulant, absolutely; but that’s not what you said, and we all know why you wouldn’t go there. And of course, you make zero accounting made for the variance in potential policy decisions and outcomes.

This is a perfect example of just taking a low effort political shot while hiding behind the “no CR” note in bad faith.

 

You’re ridiculous. I’ve stated on multiple boards here that fiscal responsibility is a “both sides” issue. Never have hidden from it or avoided it. Yes, halting student loan payments is a stimulant as well.
 

This loan forgiveness will disproportionately help the upper middle class. The kind of people that can afford to pay some down while interest is paused. Was that still an option? So there could be some stimulus there. Also, improving personal balance sheets across the board opens up opportunities for further credit creation.  
 

The effect will be interesting to follow. 

[Dahobbs 18302]

40 minutes ago, Immaculate Vibes said:

Cheaper on what basis? Are you counting subsidies?

 

 

 

LCOE in the United States, with or without renewable subsidies (but including all indirect subsidies for fossil fuels). Solar is significantly cheaper than fossil fuels. Onshore wind is roughly even with combined cycle and cheaper than other fossil fuel options. Of course, this is a March 2022 report and doesn't include recent price hikes in natural gas. I do note that the addition of storage will drive solar to be higher than combined cycle in this estimate. However, storage is largely unnecessary until reaching higher percentages of renewables on the grid (and there are plenty of studies on that if you need cites). Notably, battery storage systems are quickly reaching price parity with combustion turbines, which is a pretty big deal since they largely serve the same purpose in the grid.

https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/aeo/pdf/electricity_generation.pdf

Keep in mind, the EIA estimates for new renewable generation have been notoriously low-balled, with actual generation doing better than these predictions pretty much every year. There is a reason that something like 80% of new planned capacity in Texas is renewable (mainly solar), and you see a similar pattern nationally. It is economics. 

[CHIEF 5223]

1 hour ago, Immaculate Vibes said:

You’re ridiculous. I’ve stated on multiple boards here that fiscal responsibility is a “both sides” issue. Never have hidden from it or avoided it. Yes, halting student loan payments is a stimulant as well.
 

This loan forgiveness will disproportionately help the upper middle class. The kind of people that can afford to pay some down while interest is paused. Was that still an option? So there could be some stimulus there. Also, improving personal balance sheets across the board opens up opportunities for further credit creation.  
 

The effect will be interesting to follow. 

I know how it is gonna affect my family. CHIEF Jr. has made it through college by making the choice to get his hours by going to Junior College, working full time in the summer, and part-time in the winter. I am going to encourage him to take out all of the loans possible this coming year and park it in a money market account. Keep everything that gets forgiven, and pay back with what is left.

CHIEF

[ChickenSandwich 9947]

Families are the gas station looked like they had PTSD filling up for 4.50/g at H‑E‑B. Heartbreaking 

[Neonmoon 38130]

On 6/2/2022 at 2:45 PM, CHIEF said:

I know how it is gonna affect my family. CHIEF Jr. has made it through college by making the choice to get his hours by going to Junior College, working full time in the summer, and part-time in the winter. I am going to encourage him to take out all of the loans possible this coming year and park it in a money market account. Keep everything that gets forgiven, and pay back with what is left.

CHIEF

Tell him Steve Dave!!

[Parliament 14593]

Turkey's annual inflation rose to 73.5 percent in May, its highest rate in 24 years.

Among the most affected sectors are transportation, where prices rose 107.6 percent year on year, and food, where costs increased by 91.6 percent, according to data from the Turkish Statistical Institute released Friday.

It's Turkey's highest level of inflation since 1998, a year before the country adopted a comprehensive IMF-backed disinflation program.

Turkey's central bank has refused to raise interest rates despite inflation, keeping them unchanged for over five months.

President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan is particularly opposed to the measure, saying in late May: “Those who try to impose on us a link between the benchmark rate and inflation are either illiterates or traitors."

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/turkeys-inflation-rate-hits-73-5-percent/

[Incredulity 11874]

Thanksgiving gonna be expensive as fuck

[fattyflattie 4640]

7 hours ago, Incredulity said:

Thanksgiving gonna be expensive as fuck

July 4th is the metric sir. Down .19 last year, let’s see how this year is going. 

[Incredulity 11874]

7 hours ago, Parliament said:

Turkey's annual inflation rose to 73.5 percent i

I’m just here for insta thots and bad puns

[Immaculate Vibes 114]

 

[Blotto 24011]

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The gas price spike keeps getting worse.

The national average jumped to $4.87 a gallon on Monday, according to AAA. That's up 25 cents in the past week and 59 cents in the past month.

There are now 10 states where the average price of gasoline is $5 a gallon or higher, with the latest being Michigan and Indiana. Washington, DC, is also above $5.

New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Massachusetts are just pennies away. Georgia is the only state with an average below $4.30 a gallon.

Unfortunately, prices could continue to climb.

Veteran oil analyst Andy Lipow told CNN he expects the national average to hit $5.05 a gallon in the next 10 days.

So gas prices up about 14% over the last month. The next couple of inflation reports should be interesting. 

[Guest]

So oil spiked to $125 when the Russia/Ukraine thing went down. Overnight gas prices jumped to $3.99 at every station in town.

Now oil is close to that level again (still below it), but gas prices are now $4.49.

I am but a simple man of the land. Why is this happening? 

[Royalfan5 2384]

3 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

So oil spiked to $125 when the Russia/Ukraine thing went down. Overnight gas prices jumped to $3.99 at every station in town.

Now oil is close to that level again (still below it), but gas prices are now $4.49.

I am but a simple man of the land. Why is this happening? 

Bottlenecks in refining, and regional inventory issues, especially on diesel. 

[Cheeseweasel 26439]

38 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Why is this happening? 

Because you touch yourself

[Guest]

22 minutes ago, Cheeseweasel said:

Because you touch yourself

[Hmbre97 6337]

What's odd is that there is usually variance in station prices but it seems like all stations in my hood up in Round Rock went from $4.05-4.15 directly up to $4.49 at the same moment. Looking at GasBuddy shows the large majority are all priced exactly the same which I can't recall ever seeing before. 

[tbone_ 14438]

Because you touch yourself

He touched himself when gas was $1.99 too

[Cheeseweasel 26439]

23 minutes ago, tbone_ said:

He touched himself when gas was $1.99 too

Excellent point.

[Blotto 24011]

On 6/4/2022 at 9:01 AM, Incredulity said:

Thanksgiving gonna be expensive as fuck

kids, eat your Tofurkey before it gets cold. 

[Immaculate Vibes 114]

China demand coming back online, if possible, will add another boost globally. 

[StassneyHorn 6765]

4 hours ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

So oil spiked to $125 when the Russia/Ukraine thing went down. Overnight gas prices jumped to $3.99 at every station in town.

Now oil is close to that level again (still below it), but gas prices are now $4.49.

I am but a simple man of the land. Why is this happening? 

Because we let them

[Fondren & Main 6893]

On 6/1/2022 at 5:50 PM, Immaculate Vibes said:

 

Peter Schiff says it will be a category 5...

[Immaculate Vibes 114]

16 minutes ago, Fondren & Main said:

Peter Schiff says it will be a category 5...

Always. 
 

In other news interest rates finally biting mortgages. 
 

 

[Immaculate Vibes 114]

 

[phdhorn 6225]

I said back here somewhere, and I think, that May's numbers are going to be bad.  Not record bad, but trend bad (again).  Mostly because gas shot up after the little April fart (er, breather) and has begun to screw everything (truck transpo (diesel fuel), supply chains, etc.

And, as stagflation guys have been saying, eventually the spending will go down, eventually the demand decline in goods = less revenue and job loss.

So, last week's job #'s are out, and it's the biggest weekly decline since January (and the latest jobs surge):
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(+229K, plus the last few weeks' reports were revised up a bit).

This isn't necessarily the beginning of the jobs decline spiral - I think it'll take through the summer to really see actual losses if trends continue - and this could be just a small burp in otherwise great job news for 2022 so far.

But, keep an eye on this as it could just as easily accelerate if the stagflation double whammy really begins to take its toll.  Which it absolutely will if gas stays high for > one more month.  If gas comes down, this indicator could reverse.

I think we're about to enter the Mines of Mordor.  Hope not.

[Guest]

Looked up U.S. oil production a day or two ago. I thought it was going to have fallen off a cliff the way that people talk and the way that prices have jumped. Peak was around 13 million barrels a day. Now it's at 11.6 and rising.

 

[jimmyjazz 47122]

Well, 13 -> 10 MB/d was sort of a cliff.  That was a big drop in supply.

[Cheeseweasel 26439]

Weird that we're only about 2X the oil production for the 50's. You'd think efficiency alone would cover more than that.

[Snake Diggity 4713]

Sometime between July 1 and Sept 30 we need some good news.  I still expect inflation to taper and (at worst) the august numbers (that come out in Sept) to be <4% yoy and <.2% mom.  If not it points to inflation being a lot worse (in terms of persistence and severity) than optimists like me expect.

[Dahobbs 18302]

1 hour ago, Cheeseweasel said:

Weird that we're only about 2X the oil production for the 50's. You'd think efficiency alone would cover more than that.

It is a depleting resource. If all older wells could stay operational, what you say would make sense. But they don't. They run dry. We have to spend more effort to get the harder to reach stuff (which is what fracking does). 

Another way to look at is that we less than 2x our oil consumption from 1965, so the numbers are fairly in line. 

Edited June 9, 2022 by Dahobbs

[jimmyjazz 47122]

21 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

Another way to look at is that we less than 2x our oil consumption from 1965, so the numbers are fairly in line. 

I wonder how much of that can be attributed to improved fuel economy over the roads?