DACA, immigration reform whatever

[Lucid 3]

On 4/10/2019 at 3:09 PM, Brisketexan said:

Most of the rest of the world stands ready to have a sane conversation on immigration.

Except the 'sane conversation' has been going on for 50 years and it's brought us only limp-dicked half measures that have not helped or in many cases have made things worse.

There is 1 and only 1 solution: find and expel the illegals already here, and eliminate the incentives that drive further illegal immigration. And the sad fact is that almost NO ONE (including Trump) stands ready to have the conversation about getting this done. The people in power won't have it because it goes against their interest (staying in power). The hoi polloi won't have it because they are either too apathetic to care, too stupid to recognize the seriousness of the problem, or too hamstrung by womanish sentimentality to do what is necessary.

Edited April 19, 2019 by Lucid

[Biff Tannen 45688]

One final solution eh?

[Incredulity 11674]

3 minutes ago, Lucid said:

Except the 'sane conversation' has been going on for 50 years and it's brought us only limp-dicked half measures that have not helped or in many cases have made things worse.

There is 1 and only 1 solution: find and expel the illegals already here, and eliminate the incentives that drive further illegal immigration. And the sad fact is that almost NO ONE (including Trump) stands ready to have the conversation about getting this done. The people in power won't have it because it goes against their interest (staying in power). The hoi polloi won't have it because they are either too apathetic to care, too stupid to recognize the seriousness of the problem, or too hamstrung by womanish sentimentality to do what is necessary.

Edited April 19, 2019 by Incredulity

[Brisketexan 105143]

1 minute ago, Incredulity said:

Indeed.

[Lucid 3]

41 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

One final solution eh?

Sadly no just a temporary one. Our empire is going to implode either way

[Biff Tannen 45688]

I agree.  Maybe it's time we start thinking in more global terms.  You know, since we are connected in a global sense in pretty much all aspects of life, whether we want to accept it or not.  Or we can just resist the inevitable and slowly collapse like a flan in a cupboard.

Edited April 19, 2019 by Biff Tannen

[Brisketexan 105143]

16 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

I agree.  Maybe it's time we start thinking in more global terms.  You know, since we are connected in a global sense in pretty much all aspects of life, whether we want to accept it or not.  Or we can just resist the inevitable and slowly collapse like a flan in a cupboard.

You tell me who the fuck is putting flan in a cupboard, and I'll tell you who's about to have their ass kicked.

[wildcat09 29354]

2 hours ago, Lucid said:

Except the 'sane conversation' has been going on for 50 years and it's brought us only limp-dicked half measures that have not helped or in many cases have made things worse.

There is 1 and only 1 solution: find and expel the illegals already here, and eliminate the incentives that drive further illegal immigration. And the sad fact is that almost NO ONE (including Trump) stands ready to have the conversation about getting this done. The people in power won't have it because it goes against their interest (staying in power). The hoi polloi won't have it because they are either too apathetic to care, too stupid to recognize the seriousness of the problem, or too hamstrung by womanish sentimentality to do what is necessary.

These are the type of ravings you see from a man right before he goes to shoot up a synagogue.

[Brisketexan 105143]

4 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

These are the type of ravings you see from a man right before he goes to shoot up a synagogue.

Synagogue, taqueria, spin the wheel, let's see where it lands!

[DigglerontheHoof 21200]

2 hours ago, Lucid said:

Except the 'sane conversation' has been going on for 50 years and it's brought us only limp-dicked half measures that have not helped or in many cases have made things worse.

There is 1 and only 1 solution: find and expel the illegals already here, and eliminate the incentives that drive further illegal immigration. And the sad fact is that almost NO ONE (including Trump) stands ready to have the conversation about getting this done. The people in power won't have it because it goes against their interest (staying in power). The hoi polloi won't have it because they are either too apathetic to care, too stupid to recognize the seriousness of the problem, or too hamstrung by womanish sentimentality to do what is necessary.

user name does not check out

[Lucid 3]

41 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

These are the type of ravings you see from a man right before he goes to shoot up a synagogue.

The only thing I'm shooting up is cold hard cynical truth laced with the blackest pessimism my friend

[wildcat09 29354]

2 minutes ago, Lucid said:

The only thing I'm shooting up is cold hard cynical truth laced with the blackest pessimism my friend

We are definitely not friends.

[Lucid 3]

Bummer.

[Skyline 325]

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A Right-Wing Militia Has Allegedly Been Holding Migrant Families at Gunpoint Near Border (Slate Magazine)

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The militia, known as the United Constitutional Patriots, this week detained a group of 200 asylum-seekers near Sunland Park, New Mexico. According to the Times, a video from one recent encounter shows “exhausted looking migrant families blinking in the darkness in the glare of what appear to be the militia’s spotlights” and, in another video, “kneeling on the ground and embracing one another” as Border Patrol agents arrived, apparently after members of the militia had already been pointing firearms at them.

 

[achooloco 1072]

18 hours ago, Lucid said:

The only thing I'm shooting up is cold hard cynical truth laced with the blackest pessimism my friend

and a terrible misunderstanding of economics. but hey, you do you fuckwad

[Judge Roybeanbag 11819]

With this and the article above, it does appear we are Inching closer towards the “one solution “.

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‘Shedding of blood' may be required to save US, author of an Arizona immigration law says

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/former-arizona-lawmaker-author-of-immigration-law-says-shedding-of-blood-may-be-required-to-save-u-s

 

 

[Lucid 3]

1 hour ago, achooloco said:

and a terrible misunderstanding of economics. but hey, you do you fuckwad

Don't mistake a lack of caring about muh gdp, muh stock market growth, muh cheap labor, or any of the other materialistic money-worshipping shit that our entire society is centered around for a lack of understanding.

[Nivek 16930]

Don't mistake a lack of caring about muh gdp, muh stock market growth, muh cheap labor, or any of the other materialistic money-worshipping shit that our entire society is centered around for a lack of understanding.

Your society revolves around Putin.

[tx 3 putt 76958]

On 4/19/2019 at 6:57 PM, Skyline said:

 

said militia 'leader' was arrested by the fbi, seems he was felon in possession of firearms. ooooppppppppppsssssss

[Captainant 27671]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/fbi-arrests-alleged-member-armed-group-stopping-migrants-new-mexico-n996746

Icono, I found a new club for you to join! Seems right up your alley

[Rimbo 25936]

Geez, there really is a crisis at the border.

Border Patrol Authorities, Militia In Tense Standoff Over Claim To Detain Migrant Family They Caught At Same Time

Spoiler

COLUMBUS, NM—Digging in their heels and refusing to stand down, U.S. Customs and Border Patrol authorities were caught in a tense standoff Monday with an independently armed militia over their mutual claim to have detained a migrant family that both groups caught at the same time. “The fact of the matter is that we arrived at the scene first and this family should be taken into custody, neglected, and mistreated by trained law enforcement officials, not a bunch of amateurs who need to back off,” said CBP deputy commissioner Robert Perez as the conflict escalated with members of the border patrol and the militia group tugging on the arms of a trembling, whimpering 8-year-old migrant child. “We’ve been tracking this family since before they even crossed the border. While we appreciate the militia’s passion for justice, they need to realize that there’s no way they’re getting credit for these migrants. There’s plenty more out there. Go get your own. Ultimately, as long as these family members never see each other again, we can proudly say we did our jobs.” At press time, both groups had tried to claim responsibility for killing the entire family.

 

[Biff Tannen 45688]

It's really sad that from just a headline I don't know whether it's the Onion or real.

[Brisketexan 105143]

On 4/20/2019 at 12:03 PM, Judge Roybeanbag said:

With this and the article above, it does appear we are Inching closer towards the “one solution “.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/former-arizona-lawmaker-author-of-immigration-law-says-shedding-of-blood-may-be-required-to-save-u-s

 

 

And if y'all don't think that's EXACTLY where these folks want to take us - including folks on this board - you haven't been paying attention.  Like, at all.

The gas chambers at Auschwitz weren't built until 1942-43.  The first formal anti-jewish laws and actions in Germany took place in 1933.  We have folks with guns running down to the border eager to get in a confrontation with the browns; we have political leaders (this guy created the AZ anti-immigrant law) using rhetoric of shedding blood.

We've seen how this shit starts, a thousand times.  And we've seen how it ends.  But hey, no big deal.  No need to sound ANY alarm until....well, I guess until we're actually USING gas chambers or something like it.  

[WhatTheBuck 28783]

2 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

It's really sad that from just a headline I don't know whether it's the Onion or real.

If Rimbo is posting it and the headline is in great big oversized text, it's The Onion. 

[GSU&UT 1798]

Someone on another board linked the UCP facebook page which had videos of them with guns pointing at a group where there were children I reported the group but I doubt FB will do anything quickly. Heard earlier the guy arrested was wanted by the FBI in 2017 for threatening to assassinate Obama, Hillary, and George Soros so you know that's the great christian conservatives that we're dealing with here.

[GSU&UT 1798]

What did we do that all these people want to attack us? It must be because they're brown and worship a different god that tells them to kill us or something. - GOP

 

[retread 2951]

 https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/recognizing-limits-of-border-wall-trump-turns-his-focus-to-asylum-changes-amid-immigration-surge/2019/04/30/bf143010-6b59-11e9-a66d-a82d3f3d96d5_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.74b442233ffe

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President Trump’s efforts to tighten U.S. asylum laws through an executive memorandum represents the latest acknowledgment from the White House that his proposed border wall will do little to stem a record surge of migrant families.

Administration officials offered few new details Tuesday about the president’s order to the Department of Homeland Security and the Justice Department to develop regulatory proposals within 90 days aimed at restricting the rights of asylum seekers and speeding up a backlog of immigration court hearings.

But privately, current and former Trump aides described the move as the culmination of a year-long campaign by senior White House adviser Stephen Miller to force the administration’s hand. Miller has argued that restricting asylum would prove more effective than alternative border control measures to reverse the spike in migrant families from Central America, according to two former administration officials who worked closely with him.

 

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In his memo released late Monday, Trump stated that the administration would seek rules to charge asylum seekers fees and block them from receiving work permits as they await court hearings, while requiring that immigration judges rule on cases within 180 days.

Yet White House allies and critics alike predicted that the changes would face legal challenges once they are unveiled, and they expressed doubt over the impact even if the rules are adopted after what could be a lengthy public process.

“There’s a limit to what regulation is going to be able to do,” said Mark Krikorian, executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies, which advocates for lower immigration levels. “I just don’t see how this can be dealt with short of legislative changes.”

Even as the president has demanded billions of dollars in funding for a border wall, his administration has more quietly pressed Congress to end a system that officials call “catch-and-release.” Under U.S. law, Central American families with children cannot be detained for more than 20 days, and unauthorized migrants are generally released into the United States while awaiting their asylum hearings, which can take more than a year because of court backlogs.

 

[Message Board User 12395]

If you didn't catch the full 60 minutes story on the border on Sunday, I strongly suggest you watch it online to get a good sense of what's really happening on the border and the challenges we face.

 

[GSU&UT 1798]

These people exist in much larger numbers than you think, just a-okay with being Nazis now.

 

 

[Message Board User 12395]

 

[HenryJames 66057]

 

[ChickenSandwich 9836]

1 hour ago, Message Board User said:

 

The entire population of San Angelo, Texas arrives at the border monthly to claim asylum.  That "city" would be in the top 10% in population for the United States.

We simply can't afford to grant asylum to all of Central America. 

Over 1% of Guatemala, Honduras entered US since September

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/shock-over-1-of-guatemala-honduras-entered-us-since-september

 

we graduated 100,000 illegal immigrants from High School last year, the FUD admits it has up to 25,000 illegal immigrants receiving housing assistance while acknowledging they can only help 1 in 4 American families in need.  Please stop with the non-sense that illegal immigrants don't have access to government welfare.

Hell, Joe Biden was quoted as saying:  America has an OBLIGATION to pay for illegal immigrant health care

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-says-we-have-obligation-to-provide-health-care-to-illegal-immigrants

 

How many Billions a month are we talking?

[Chrispy 132]

1 hour ago, ChickenSandwich said:

The entire population of San Angelo, Texas arrives at the border monthly to claim asylum.  That "city" would be in the top 10% in population for the United States.

We simply can't afford to grant asylum to all of Central America. 

Over 1% of Guatemala, Honduras entered US since September

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/shock-over-1-of-guatemala-honduras-entered-us-since-september

 

we graduated 100,000 illegal immigrants from High School last year, the FUD admits it has up to 25,000 illegal immigrants receiving housing assistance while acknowledging they can only help 1 in 4 American families in need.  Please stop with the non-sense that illegal immigrants don't have access to government welfare.

Hell, Joe Biden was quoted as saying:  America has an OBLIGATION to pay for illegal immigrant health care

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-says-we-have-obligation-to-provide-health-care-to-illegal-immigrants

 

How many Billions a month are we talking?

So we’re being invaded and get to foot the bill? Sweet.

[Message Board User 12395]

I've yet to hear a Democrat solution to the immigration crisis other than open borders.

and yes, it is a crisis - if you don't believe so, just watch the 60 minutes story linked above.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

22 minutes ago, Message Board User said:

 

I've yet to hear a Democrat solution to the immigration crisis other than open borders.

So which democrat is calling for open borders? 

[Message Board User 12395]

41 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

So which democrat is calling for open borders? 

As far as I know, no democrat has gotten specific about immigration policy.  I looked on their sites but couldn't find anything specific.  But, as an example, here's what Beto says on his website, which sounds a lot like open borders:

On Immigration

If we believe that this country’s success is premised on the fact that immigrants and asylum seekers from the world over have found a home here, then let us forever free Dreamers from any fear of deportation by making them U.S. citizens. Let’s bring millions more of our fellow Americans out of the shadows and on to a path to contribute even more to our country’s success.

Let’s not only honor our asylum laws and never again take another child from another parent at their most desperate and vulnerable moment, but guarantee that all separated families are reunited. Let’s acknowledge that every man, every woman, every child in detention — including those behind fences and barbed wire under our international bridges connecting us with Mexico — are our fellow human beings and deserve to be treated like human beings.

[HenryJames 66057]

You could have just said ‘none.’

[Message Board User 12395]

11 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

You could have just said ‘none.’

None have given any sort of specific policy stance because they know they have to appease the far left while not acting like total loons that would ruin them for the general.  They know they need to tread lightly.  But all of their rhetoric suggests open borders.

https://uproxx.com/news/2020-presidential-candidates-beliefs/

I hope at the first presidential debate, just 6 weeks away, we can get this clarified and the moderator asks a simple question - "What should be done with immigrants who are entering this country illegally and those who are already here illegally?"

 

[4th&Five 41554]

Where does Trump stand on those questions? It changes every few months. 

[WhatTheBuck 28783]

2 hours ago, Message Board User said:

I've yet to hear a Democrat solution to the immigration crisis other than open borders.

You've never heard a Democrat advocate for open borders. 

[Message Board User 12395]

14 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

You've never heard a Democrat advocate for open borders. 

Once again, Freshman Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is advocating for open borders and "respect for the right of human mobility."

During a town hall event in New York on Saturday, Ocasio-Cortez told attendees that America’s immigration system is “completely unjust” and blamed President Trump for “creating” populations of illegal immigrants.

“He is creating undocumented populations in the United States, and then they’re being targeted, and their rights are being targeted,” Ocasio-Cortez said of the President.

“First of all I believe in human rights,” she continued. “I don’t care if you’re documented or you’re undocumented.”

https://www.wibc.com/blogs/tony-katz/morning-news/ocasio-cortez-openly-advocates-open-borders-blames-immigration-surge

[WhatTheBuck 28783]

1 hour ago, Message Board User said:

Once again, Freshman Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is advocating for open borders and "respect for the right of human mobility."

During a town hall event in New York on Saturday, Ocasio-Cortez told attendees that America’s immigration system is “completely unjust” and blamed President Trump for “creating” populations of illegal immigrants.

“He is creating undocumented populations in the United States, and then they’re being targeted, and their rights are being targeted,” Ocasio-Cortez said of the President.

“First of all I believe in human rights,” she continued. “I don’t care if you’re documented or you’re undocumented.”

https://www.wibc.com/blogs/tony-katz/morning-news/ocasio-cortez-openly-advocates-open-borders-blames-immigration-surge

Like I said. You've never heard a Democrat advocate for open borders. She's not doing that. Just because someone else says that's what she's doing doesn't mean that's what she's doing. Treating undocumented immigrants like humans doesn't equal "open borders." 

Try not to be so easily manipulated. And by the latest fad, no less. Fear mongering about the freshman representative bogeyman that is all the rage. What a goof.

[happyfunball 481]

Haha. Who is surprised!

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

A yacht is like a wall except on the water which will be needed once Trump builds the land wall.  

[zork 629]

 

[4th&Five 41554]

Trump has been ripping off morons for decades. At least some other people are taking advantage. 

[tx 3 putt 76958]

that man is a genius

i should have started that go fund me. then go hire illegals to go around south texas fixing fences 

[GSU&UT 1798]

Reminder that this is conservatives current border policy.

 

 

[WhatTheBuck 28783]

I saw a story last week about a 7 yr old girl who was finally reunited with her father after being separated for 326 days. If you support Trump then you support child abuse. It's that simple. 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/young-girl-reunites-with-immigrant-father-326-days-after-being-separated-2019-05-07/

[Longhornfan1024 1707]

On 5/11/2019 at 2:21 PM, Message Board User said:

None have given any sort of specific policy stance because they know they have to appease the far left while not acting like total loons that would ruin them for the general.  They know they need to tread lightly.  But all of their rhetoric suggests open borders.

https://uproxx.com/news/2020-presidential-candidates-beliefs/

I hope at the first presidential debate, just 6 weeks away, we can get this clarified and the moderator asks a simple question - "What should be done with immigrants who are entering this country illegally and those who are already here illegally?"

 

So you lied.