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mchookem
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bitching about immigrants not paying income tax while simultaneously bragging about paying immigrants with cash so they can avoid paying income tax. i did not have that on my bingo card.  

TSipper
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We owe this girl and her family nothing. I do not care if they are fleeing violence, that is not the responsibility of this country. 7 billion people on this planet, is it our job to take all of them

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Spin it however you wish, this man forced his daughter into the river, not our policies. 

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18 minutes ago, Fastbreak said:

lol. You clearly are either totally unaware about how shit works or an idiot or troll.

But the question still remains why did 150 dems vote against this?

Because I don’t care what the MAGAs or their mouthpieces say or think? Ok then. Not sure what your point is there.

Also, who cares? Probably because they didn’t think dui should affect immigration status. I have no idea. The bill passed with bipartisan support so again I ask, who cares?

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On 2/1/2024 at 9:05 AM, tx 3 putt said:

There’s no crisis …

 

I've never heard this guy talk but he has a very northern accent. He of all people railing against Biden on immigration while representing Fort Bend of all places is something.

On 2/1/2024 at 10:28 PM, cactusflinthead said:

 

Of course Dan Patrick is spewing a bunch of nonsense; making bogus constitutional claims and making blanket statements that immigrants bring health issues and "most" of them are here to commit crimes, when immigrants are on average healthier and commit fewer crimes than native born Americans.

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In my car the other day and listened to a little Micheal berry, he was all in on the replacement theory <<< this is what theyre pushing

biden wants to replace red blooded americans with illegals 

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22 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

I've never heard this guy talk but he has a very northern accent. He of all people railing against Biden on immigration while representing Fort Bend of all places is something.

He’s from Wisconsin. Just another non native Texan who carpetbagged and put on a cowboy hat as an adult (didn’t move to Houston until he did his masters at UH-D)

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1 hour ago, Pasken said:

What does "close the border" actually mean? Does that include lawful entry for visa holders and US citizens?

People have apparently forgotten what happened when Abbott actually DID close the border and it cost us BILLIONS in trade and completely fucked the trucking lines.

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A real interesting issue was talked about on 60 Minutes last night.  It was a really good episode, by the way--come for the Jerome Powell interview; stay for the border story.

Anyway--in the first half of 2023 (the most recent period for which we have statistics), a majority of migrants crossing the Southern border came from "historical atypical countries."  Basically, that is everyone who is not from Latin America.  And as detailed in the 60 Minutes piece, a growing percentage of those are from China.  They're middle-class economic migrants who hop a flight to Mexico and walk across the border with their roll-aboard luggage in tow.

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6 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

A real interesting issue was talked about on 60 Minutes last night.  It was a really good episode, by the way--come for the Jerome Powell interview; stay for the border story.

Anyway--in the first half of 2023 (the most recent period for which we have statistics), a majority of migrants crossing the Southern border came from "historical atypical countries."  Basically, that is everyone who is not from Latin America.  And as detailed in the 60 Minutes piece, a growing percentage of those are from China.  They're middle-class economic migrants who hop a flight to Mexico and walk across the border with their roll-aboard luggage in tow.


im here for the chinese mexican fusion food trucks 

el wok a mole 

 

 

It’s an easier path to citizenship illegally then legally 

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20 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

A real interesting issue was talked about on 60 Minutes last night.  It was a really good episode, by the way--come for the Jerome Powell interview; stay for the border story.

Anyway--in the first half of 2023 (the most recent period for which we have statistics), a majority of migrants crossing the Southern border came from "historical atypical countries."  Basically, that is everyone who is not from Latin America.  And as detailed in the 60 Minutes piece, a growing percentage of those are from China.  They're middle-class economic migrants who hop a flight to Mexico and walk across the border with their roll-aboard luggage in tow.

Was the Chinese angle presented as a positive or a negative? Just curious what angle they’re trying to push. 

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1 minute ago, Boss Hogg said:

Was the Chinese angle presented as a positive or a negative? Just curious what angle they’re trying to push. 

Why the hell would it be positive that Chinese (or anyone) is trying to illegally cross into the country?

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5 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Why the hell would it be positive that Chinese (or anyone) is trying to illegally cross into the country?

I don’t know, but 60 minutes could try to spin things any number of ways. 
 

I’ll just say I know they’ve clearly staged one medical scene before. It was eye opening and I try not to fall prey to Gell-Mann amnesia wrt their reporting. 

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20 minutes ago, Boss Hogg said:

Was the Chinese angle presented as a positive or a negative? Just curious what angle they’re trying to push. 

It was mostly portrayed as a novelty that China is the fastest-growing population of migrants (most Americans still have the stereotype), along with many other far-flung Asian nations, and how easily they're getting through a specific hole in the fence that hasn't been patched because Congress hasn't allocated funds for it.

There were interviews with Chinese migrants citing China's bad economy and Xi's more authoritarian approach to governing as reasons for a huge increase in Chinese asylum seekers over the last couple of years. It was noted that many of them were middle-class with roller bags who got specific instructions from Tik Tok accounts on how to get through the gap in the fence.

Negatives mentioned:

  • The guy who was fed up with people using his property to cross with mentions of tents, trash, and burning wood. He also recounted a story about how he shot a gun in the air and was arrested for it after telling people not to burn brush/trees on his property.
  • The app that's supposed to be used to make appointments for asylum seekers at designated border crossings is glitchy, creating a disorderly process so they pay a guy $400 to drive them 60 miles from the crossing at Tijuana to find this spot.

Other items that could be interpreted negatively include the fact that 55% of Chinese are granted asylum while only 14% of all seekers get it. Also, China often doesn't take their people back once they pursue it and are left in limbo.

My final comment is that it's telling that you have an expectation of positive/negative presentations in news broadcasts. Maybe start looking for better sources of information to consume that don't take editorial stances.

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57 minutes ago, Boss Hogg said:

Was the Chinese angle presented as a positive or a negative? Just curious what angle they’re trying to push. 

I don't know, man--the video is posted directly above your query.  Why don't you just watch it?  I think @bolverk gives a pretty good synopsis.  

From my own perspective, I'll say this: I'm pretty sympathetic to people seeking refuge from places like Honduras and Guatemala.  Those are failed narco-states, and they're failed narco-states in large part because of American (in)action and demand for drugs.  For a lot of people, staying here is a literal death sentence.

I'm a lot less sympathetic to middle-class Chinese people who are coming here because the Chinese economy is in the shitter.  The United States played a minimal role in China's poor economic decision-making; we bear no responsibility for their real-estate bubble popping.  And even in that situation, being middle class in China just isn't that fucking bad.  

So if the Biden Administration has to put in place some restrictive policies to bolster its reelection chances, I'm a lot more agreeable to that happening at the expense of middle-class Chinese people than on the backs of desperate Central Americans.  I mean, bottom line: if it takes putting some Chinese people in a detention center in Mexico for a few months to wait on a CBP appointment in order to save American democracy, then I'm on board with that.

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1 hour ago, StassneyHorn said:

Uhhh more Asian girls for lonely white guys. Solves the school shooting problems, incels, and white supremacy problems.


I’d marry a too old to marry, no baby, old maid, and washed up hot 30yo chinese female (born a female) with an advanced degree … asap 

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5 hours ago, Ghost of LL said:

A real interesting issue was talked about on 60 Minutes last night.  It was a really good episode, by the way--come for the Jerome Powell interview; stay for the border story.

Anyway--in the first half of 2023 (the most recent period for which we have statistics), a majority of migrants crossing the Southern border came from "historical atypical countries."  Basically, that is everyone who is not from Latin America.  And as detailed in the 60 Minutes piece, a growing percentage of those are from China.  They're middle-class economic migrants who hop a flight to Mexico and walk across the border with their roll-aboard luggage in tow.

I watched it. Here it is:

 

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I made the mistake of reading some twitter replies on that thread, and wow. The gomers are 100000% convinced it's an open border bill. Absolutely incredible how far out the right wing of the political spectrum is camped out

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7 hours ago, Captainant said:

I made the mistake of reading some twitter replies on that thread, and wow. The gomers are 100000% convinced it's an open border bill. Absolutely incredible how far out the right wing of the political spectrum is camped out

It doesn’t matter. Mitch killed it. Even Lankford is going to vote against cloture OF HIS OWN BILL. The senate GOP caved to Trump

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14 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

Trump is an uncontrolled cancer.  Unless he dies soon, we're fucked.  He doesn't even have to be in office and he controls the GQP.  

Ayup. The justice systems failure to quickly and appropriately punish Trump is breathtaking. It's astounding that we are more than THREE YEARS past the date of his nationally televised crimes, have been getting more and more evidence of his intent to insurrect, and he STILL has not faced a single goddamn criminal trial. 

It's just an absolute failure of our justice system and lays bare our tiered justice system. 

 

That failure fuels the instability in our political system that makes things so goddamn untenable. Trump should not be leading the fucking republican party and guiding policy. He's still in control of our legislative process. 

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14 hours ago, bolverk said:

It was mostly portrayed as a novelty that China is the fastest-growing population of migrants (most Americans still have the stereotype), along with many other far-flung Asian nations, and how easily they're getting through a specific hole in the fence that hasn't been patched because Congress hasn't allocated funds for it.

There were interviews with Chinese migrants citing China's bad economy and Xi's more authoritarian approach to governing as reasons for a huge increase in Chinese asylum seekers over the last couple of years. It was noted that many of them were middle-class with roller bags who got specific instructions from Tik Tok accounts on how to get through the gap in the fence.

Negatives mentioned:

  • The guy who was fed up with people using his property to cross with mentions of tents, trash, and burning wood. He also recounted a story about how he shot a gun in the air and was arrested for it after telling people not to burn brush/trees on his property.
  • The app that's supposed to be used to make appointments for asylum seekers at designated border crossings is glitchy, creating a disorderly process so they pay a guy $400 to drive them 60 miles from the crossing at Tijuana to find this spot.

Other items that could be interpreted negatively include the fact that 55% of Chinese are granted asylum while only 14% of all seekers get it. Also, China often doesn't take their people back once they pursue it and are left in limbo.

My final comment is that it's telling that you have an expectation of positive/negative presentations in news broadcasts. Maybe start looking for better sources of information to consume that don't take editorial stances.

Thanks for the summary. 
 

As far as expecting there to be a slant on news broadcasts, there don’t have to editorial stances taken.  For this story here are a couple options. 
 

Increasing numbers of Chinese middle class entering illegally. 

Positive framing- they’re skilled workers, yay that’s just what we need in our country. 

Negative framing- China is our biggest adversary and there’s many illegal, undocumented people from there entering our country every day.  

A good amount of skepticism towards media is warranted. Everyone has biases, including news reporters and producers. 
 

What are your favorite news sources?
 

 

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13 hours ago, berlinerbaer said:

We shouldn't be turning away anyone from the middle class, regardless of their country of origin. They are educated and have the skills we need.

Most Chinese and Venezuelans are in this boat (sorry...)

As a matter of public policy, I broadly agree.

But right now, the American Republic faces an existential crisis from Trump and the GQP.  Seeing off that threat is Priority 1.  So if putting a few middle-class citizens of Communist China into a detention camp in Mexico to cool their heels for 6-12 months is the necessary price of saving American democracy, then I'm pretty fucking willing to pay it.

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