DACA, immigration reform whatever

[Satoshi 129]

6 minutes ago, Captainant said:

No, the guy whose tweet you're quoting that's doing the nice cherrypicking is an author for the alt-right conspiracy rag the Federalist and was the rapid response director for Spanish-language media on trump's re-election campaign.

 

It's more that you're just coming around to only amplify the parts that appear to be politically damaging to Biden.

 

Which as I said before, is a big upgrade from trying to convince people to not vaccinate their kids. So good to see your growth, comrade.

The numbers are the numbers whether you think they’re “cherry picked” or not. They’re relevant to this thread. They’re also not surprising at all to anyone with any connection to the parts of Texas near the border. 

[Satchel 6938]

5 hours ago, F250 said:

 

Roping a black guy that looks like he has been hiking the underground railroad is a really bad look.

 

 

 

Not if you do it in Jesus’ name. 

[Anastasis 23469]

7 hours ago, Pancho said:

Christ, what year is this in America?

 

 

 

Jesus.  Making a run for tacos for the family got fucking real. 

[cactusflinthead 27598]

5 hours ago, Satoshi said:

It’s a DMN poll bruh. Is DMN alt-right? Is UT-Tyler the Trump tie in?

Sample size of 300. 

[cactusflinthead 27598]

Treat them the same way as anybody else. 

Take'm out to the Dirty Boulevard and club'em to death like Lou Reed sang.

That's what the statue of bigotry says

[Satoshi 129]

5 minutes ago, cactusflinthead said:

Sample size of 300. 

You’re right. It’s probably the sample size, not the conditions on the ground. 
 

We’ve had a massive influx of illegals coming across the entire year. People that live on the border and are used to illegals crossing are overwhelmed by what’s going on. I would bet my last dime that every person on this thread that acts like this is no big deal is far removed from what’s going on.

 

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/del-rio-residents-concerned-with-the-record-number-of-migrants-in-the-area/ar-AALpt7E
 

[Bruh Man 3160]

26 minutes ago, cactusflinthead said:

Treat them the same way as anybody else. 

Take'm out to the Dirty Boulevard and club'em to death like Lou Reed sang.

That's what the statue of bigotry says

On Facebook, Mary-Anne from Weatherford with Bible memes all throughout her profile, says SEND THEM BACK! If they don't abide, SHOOT EM!!!!

Edited September 21, 2021 by Bruh Man

[cactusflinthead 27598]

17 minutes ago, Satoshi said:

You’re right. It’s probably the sample size, not the conditions on the ground. 
 

We’ve had a massive influx of illegals coming across the entire year. People that live on the border and are used to illegals crossing are overwhelmed by what’s going on. I would bet my last dime that every person on this thread that acts like this is no big deal is far removed from what’s going on.

 

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/del-rio-residents-concerned-with-the-record-number-of-migrants-in-the-area/ar-AALpt7E
 

What? Do you employ visa workers? Got family in Del Rio?

You seem to think this is new. As if Mexico just now existed. Where the fuck do you think I live? 

You don't give a shit about anything but your own. 

Fuck off.

[Satoshi 129]

1 minute ago, cactusflinthead said:

What? Do you employ visa workers? Got family in Del Rio?

You seem to think this is new. As if Mexico just now existed. Where the fuck do you think I live? 

You don't give a shit about anything but your own. 

Fuck off.

Where do you live?  I’d bet I have at least the border connections you do. Like i said, a certain amount of this stuff is normal and expected. In the past year we’ve gone way past that and anyone denying that is doing it for self serving reasons. 

[cactusflinthead 27598]

16 minutes ago, Satoshi said:

More bullshit.

They didn't want to stay in the RGV then and don't now. I wouldn't send someone down there unless they like scrub and prickly pear. 

Our country can absorb that Haitian group in the blink of an eye. 

Edited September 21, 2021 by cactusflinthead
Spelling yo

[Brisketexan 105095]

On Facebook, Mary-Anne from Weatherford with Bible memes all throughout her profile, says SEND THEM BACK! If they don't abide, SHOOT EM!!!!

Well, you’ve got American “Christians” pegged.

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

29 minutes ago, cactusflinthead said:

Our country can absorb that Haitian group in the blink of an eye. 

I was pondering this due to GR's concern over the numbers. It isn't ideal to have folks camped out in Del Rio since we're in the middle of a pandemic plus simple hygiene is difficult with large groups. Although the protocol is to assess each individual for symptoms and then quarantine if necessary, the Administration is still following CDC guidelines and turning most seekers away, or releasing with a motion to appear.

But, back to numbers and the last year. Sure things are different. Maybe I'm just a compassionate fool, but I kinda like that the US doesn't separate families anymore in order to discourage asylum seekers. Or that the US doesn't seem to have misplaced five hundred children from whom they belong in the past year. Some of the group from Haiti may have been encouraged by that. I mean, if you come from a country that has had over 32 coups with a lot of violent deaths, several devastating earthquakes (last one killed over 250,000), several major hurricanes, and 3/4 of the population subsists on less than $2.00 a day, waiting around in Del Rio may seem a little like being thisclose to heaven. Ideally, the US and Mexico work together to make the best of a trying situation, but unfortunately no one is on the same page, and too many people are only interested in scoring political points, cruelty just to be cruel, or getting bogged down in the details. Pretty sad.

 

Edited September 21, 2021 by Mrs Whiggins

[Willfully Horn 8008]

1 hour ago, Satoshi said:

We’ve had a massive influx of illegals

The sulphuric reflux of deplorables is worse.

[InkaUtexas 25907]

40 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

I was pondering this due to GR's concern over the numbers. It isn't ideal to have folks camped out in Del Rio since we're in the middle of a pandemic plus simple hygiene is difficult with large groups. Although the protocol is to assess each individual for symptoms and then quarantine if necessary, the Administration is still following CDC guidelines and turning most seekers away, or releasing with a motion to appear.

But, back to numbers and the last year. Sure things are different. Maybe I'm just a compassionate fool, but I kinda like that the US doesn't separate families anymore in order to discourage asylum seekers. Or that the US doesn't seem to have misplaced five hundred children from whom they belong in the past year. Some of the group from Haiti may have been encouraged by that. I mean, if you come from a country that has had over 32 coups with a lot of violent deaths, several devastating earthquakes (last one killed over 250,000), several major hurricanes, and 3/4 of the population subsists on less than $2.00 a day, waiting around in Del Rio may seem a little like being thisclose to heaven. Ideally, the US and Mexico work together to make the best of a trying situation, but unfortunately no one is on the same page, and too many people are only interested in scoring political points, cruelty just to be cruel, or getting bogged down in the details. Pretty sad.

 

We can absorb them. We choose not to. Notice how Haitians are treated vs. Hispanics? 

Up until a few years ago (do not remember the year), but if a Haitian and a Cuban stepped on Florida shores at the same time and were detained, guess who got sent back with no hearing. And for the record, the Haitians have better rum. 

Do not fool yourself. Mexico does not stop Central Americans from crossing into Mexico to appease the US. They do it since for everyone who gets here one less Mexican can. We absorb what would be a powder keg if everyone HAD to remain. 

 I just was told I am running a ag development program in Haiti starting this Spring. I cannot wait. I love that place. The sadness is around you, but a strong and proud people. I have lived there. I have worked there. I would move there again. Culturally they are not "Latin American" but are more akin to West Africa. Think Liberia during the shit years. That is Haiti always and we have no problem letting it be that way. 

Concerning our aid to the island. Other than a few solid NGO's, it is a joke. It is where the UN trains their peacekeepers to go to Africa. It is where lies are told. It is not one party or the other, it is both. I believe in our foreign policy through aid. I hate how we handle Haiti. 

[InkaUtexas 25907]

I know I will be branded an islamist for using this news outlet, but ........... 

 

Listen to the man at the end. He is not uneducated. He is a human like all of us. Where is this admin on this? I really am curious. Where is the Latino caucus on this issue? Remember how vocal they were when it was Central Americans? We know the Republican line. But where are the Dems? AOC? Fucking crickets but I am sure she is talking to a new fashion advisor. 

Meh, we suck at being a refuge. And we could do it so easily. Sorry, long day dealing with another conflict and just a bit jaded tonight. Afghanistan, Ethiopia, Haiti, Guinea, and now our own fucking border. 

On a UT note. When I was in ILAS I wanted to do some research into Haiti. I could not find 1 professor to support me. I went to African Studies, nope that is Western Hemisphere. Finally a crazy Nigerian professor accepted it due to the movement he was studying in about 1200 AD of Malian sailors who went west. Of course my research had nothing to do with it, but at least he saw a connection beyond just slavery between Africa and the Western Hemisphere. And that is Haiti. 

[F250 28767]

56 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Listen to the man at the end. He is not uneducated. He is a human like all of us. Where is this admin on this? I really am curious. Where is the Latino caucus on this issue? Remember how vocal they were when it was Central Americans? We know the Republican line. But where are the Dems? AOC? Fucking crickets but I am sure she is talking to a new fashion advisor. 

Latino immigration organizations are going at the Biden administration pretty hard but the caucus made up of Dems is being fairly quiet. One thing I have noticed is that the Hispanic Caucus did criticize the BP but not the administration where immigration rights advocates are rightfully calling out the Biden administration. 

 

 

[elfenix 34230]

You might just want to check her Twitter feed before saying things about AOC.

[elfenix 34230]

Ilhan Omar:

Cori Bush:

[InkaUtexas 25907]

Mea Maxima Culpa. I should have. I apologize. woke up to deal with issues in Tigray today, was told to start thinking Haiti and I should have sat back and not said a damn thing. Emotion has no place on the Surl. 

Glad to hear they are talking about it. 

 

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19100]

Ultimately, Congress needs to get off its ass and pass common sense immigration reform.  It should be easier to come here for everyone.

Make it a points system and stratify the Visa type based on the number of points.  Also put requirements in for company sponsorship or asylum requests if you do not meet a certain number of points.  The points system can work.  We just need people in Congress that stop playing fucking politics and do their fucking jobs.

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4976]

19 hours ago, F250 said:

 

Roping a black guy that looks like he has been hiking the underground railroad is a really bad look.

 

 

 

Those are his reins, not a rope. You can see his left hand is choked up pretty high on them and the "rope" is just the end of his reins dangling out there. Ropes these days are mostly bright colors, like neon green, pink, or blue. Also, you don't rope something or somebody and try and then reach down and grab them without controlling your horse in a situation like that. You rope and then dally the other end of the rope around your saddle horn and pull back on the reins with your other hand to make the horse stop. Still a bad look to be chasing a black guy down on horseback, however.

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4976]

dp

Edited September 21, 2021 by NotActuallyALonghorn

[DDD Dad 14332]

Those are his reins, not a rope. You can see his left hand is choked up pretty high on them and the "rope" is just the end of his reins dangling out there. Ropes these days are mostly bright colors, like neon green, pink, or blue. Also, you don't rope something or somebody and try and then reach down and grab them without controlling your horse in a situation like that. You rope and then dally the other end of the rope around your saddle horn and pull back on the reins with your other hand to make the horse stop. Still a bad look to be chasing a black guy down on horseback, however.

Yeah, a white man whipping a black man from a horse with the reins is a much better look.

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4976]

Yeah, if you try and whip someone with your reins while your hand is choked up on them like that you are just going to yank your horse around.

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

9 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

We can absorb them. We choose not to. Notice how Haitians are treated vs. Hispanics?

I don't have a problem with granting Haitians asylum. Rather, it's telling that the GOP and their mouthpieces, per usual, are ignoring the extra difficulties of processing numbers of people who may or may not be contagious and spreading it among their camp-mates as they wait in less than ideal conditions w/o adequate shelter and water. The conditions are, however, more favorable due to the heat lessening which is another reason numbers have been increasing. Just as 'our little old ancestors' (you know the movie) had to time the crossing of the Great American Desert to arrive at the Great White Mecca that was/is Oregon, so too do these migrants who wish to establish a better life for their families.

 

[F250 28767]

 

[Anastasis 23469]

1 hour ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

Ultimately, Congress needs to get off its ass and pass common sense immigration reform. 

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[Anastasis 23469]

1 hour ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

Those are his reins, not a rope. You can see his left hand is choked up pretty high on them and the "rope" is just the end of his reins dangling out there. Ropes these days are mostly bright colors, like neon green, pink, or blue. Also, you don't rope something or somebody and try and then reach down and grab them without controlling your horse in a situation like that. You rope and then dally the other end of the rope around your saddle horn and pull back on the reins with your other hand to make the horse stop. Still a bad look to be chasing a black guy down on horseback, however.

Hold your breath waiting for twitter to tag those tweets as misleading. 

[DigglerontheHoof 21186]

15 hours ago, Satchel said:

Not if you do it in Jesus’ name. 

And not to the majority of Texans who've seen the pic.  As Brisket likes to point out, it's a feature, not a bug. 

[Starfleet Command 441]

If only we could get our hands on Cuba the way we have with Haiti, it too could be a paradise.

Also, lol, are there any state sponsored terrorists in LA who weren't trained in the US?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2021/07/15/colombia-haiti-us-military/

Edited September 21, 2021 by Starfleet Command

[wildcat09 29349]

Oh yay, "it's not a clip it's a magazine" energy but instead of school shootings we're talking armed agents of the state on horseback whipping desperate black people. Real cool conversations we're having these days.

[Js1 85311]

7 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Oh yay, "it's not a clip it's a magazine" energy but instead of school shootings we're talking armed agents of the state on horseback whipping desperate black people. Real cool conversations we're having these days.

The Worst Timeline continues.

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4976]

It's more of the a thing where chasing a black man down on horseback like its 1860 is bad enough to stand on its own merits. Using misleading hyperbole only gives the idiots ammo to say "look at those stupid libtards."

[wildcat09 29349]

7 minutes ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

It's more of the a thing where chasing a black man down on horseback like its 1860 is bad enough to stand on its own merits. Using misleading hyperbole only gives the idiots ammo to say "look at those stupid libtards."

We're talking about Border Patrol agents using reins to whip people. It isn't the people who say they're using whips who are being misleading. 

[DDD Dad 14332]

2 hours ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

Those are his reins, not a rope. You can see his left hand is choked up pretty high on them and the "rope" is just the end of his reins dangling out there. Ropes these days are mostly bright colors, like neon green, pink, or blue. Also, you don't rope something or somebody and try and then reach down and grab them without controlling your horse in a situation like that. You rope and then dally the other end of the rope around your saddle horn and pull back on the reins with your other hand to make the horse stop. Still a bad look to be chasing a black guy down on horseback, however.

In that specific pic it looks as if he's about to try to grab that Haitian by his shirt (as is revealed in another pic) rather than whip him. 

 

 

 

 

However in these pics it looks a lot more like he's wielding his reins like a whip.

2 hours ago, DDD Dad said:

Yeah, a white man whipping a black man from a horse with the reins is a much better look.

 

2 hours ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

Yeah, if you try and whip someone with your reins while your hand is choked up on them like that you are just going to yank your horse around.

 

1 hour ago, Anastasis said:

Hold your breath waiting for twitter to tag those tweets as misleading. 

They're not.

1 minute ago, wildcat09 said:

We're talking about Border Patrol agents using reins to whip people. It isn't the people who say they're using whips who are being misleading. 

 

[wildcat09 29349]

The video of that second guy makes it pretty clear. He spins the reins as if he's preparing to whip someone with them in a threatening manner at two different people in the first few seconds of the clip, and comes pretty close to hitting the second guy in the face. 

[Judge Roybeanbag 11819]

In this timeline, I'd be interested to find out if the right-wing (GOP or Rupert Murdoch) financed this latest run to the border by Haitian refugees.  Certainly curious that it has come to a head during the first year of the Biden admin.

[DDD Dad 14332]

12 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

The video of that second guy makes it pretty clear. He spins the reins as if he's preparing to whip someone with them in a threatening manner at two different people in the first few seconds of the clip, and comes pretty close to hitting the second guy in the face. 

Holding my breath for Anastasis and NAAL to admit they were wrong on this.

[hobbes2702 13032]

14 hours ago, Satoshi said:

You’re right. It’s probably the sample size, not the conditions on the ground. 
 

We’ve had a massive influx of illegals coming across the entire year. People that live on the border and are used to illegals crossing are overwhelmed by what’s going on. I would bet my last dime that every person on this thread that acts like this is no big deal is far removed from what’s going on.

 

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/del-rio-residents-concerned-with-the-record-number-of-migrants-in-the-area/ar-AALpt7E
 

What are the overwhelmed by?

[Anastasis 23469]

16 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

The video of that second guy makes it pretty clear. He spins the reins as if he's preparing to whip someone with them in a threatening manner at two different people in the first few seconds of the clip, and comes pretty close to hitting the second guy in the face. 

In both cases it appears to me that he used the loose end of the split rein on the horse to control it's movements. First to make an abrupt movement to the left, and in the second to get it to dip its head. Both movements occur directly after he strikes the horse with the rein and appears situationally directed to have the horse engage the men around it.   

I think that the situation speaks clearly enough. These guys were trying to bring food back to their families under the bridge and they were getting very aggressively controlled by mounted border patrol.  It's bad enough as it is, there is no need to conjure loaded rhetoric.   

Edited September 21, 2021 by Anastasis

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4976]

2 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

Holding my breath for Anastasis and NAAL to admit they were wrong on this.

He was pretty clearly spinning it like he was at the very least trying to make them think he was going to whip them in the video. Now show evidence that he did.

[StassneyHorn 6575]

Letting the family in but keeping the father out is cowardly.

[DDD Dad 14332]

1 minute ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

He was pretty clearly spinning it like he was at the very least trying to make them think he was going to whip them in the video. Now show evidence that he did.

Yes, it's okay if you're only threatening to whip someone.  Nice attempt at moving the goalposts.

JFC.

[DDD Dad 14332]

3 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

In both cases it appears to me that he used the loose end of the split rein on the horse to control it's movements. First to make an abrupt movement to the left, and in the second to get it to dip its head. Both movements occur directly after he strikes the horse with the rein and appears situationally directed to have the horse engage the men around it.

Jesus.  Did you not even bother to watch the whole video?  There's a slow motion breakdown showing him spinning the loose end around in the direction of the people in the river.

[StassneyHorn 6575]

Border Patrol literally has crackers working.

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

8 minutes ago, StassneyHorn said:

Letting the family in but keeping the father out is cowardly.

Hey now, how are BP agents going to sexually abuse women and children if they've got fathers hanging around?

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4976]

8 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

Yes, it's okay if you're only threatening to whip someone.  Nice attempt at moving the goalposts.

JFC.

So, you went from "he was roping and whipping black folks" to "maybe he wasn't roping them and maybe he was only using the reins to scare them," and I'm the one moving the goal posts? I said all along chasing black folks down on horseback is bad, and as soon as I saw the video I agreed that he was at the very least trying threatening them with the reins. You truly are a lying hack and a big part of the reason this country is as divided as it is.

[DDD Dad 14332]

5 minutes ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

So, you went from "he was roping and whipping black folks" to "maybe he wasn't roping them and maybe he was only using the reins to scare them," and I'm the one moving the goal posts? I said all along chasing black folks down on horseback is bad, and as soon as I saw the video I agreed that he was at the very least trying threatening them with the reins. You truly are a lying hack and a big part of the reason this country is as divided as it is.

I didn't say anything about anyone "roping" anyone, so your accusation is based on a false pretense.  I did say "whipping" someone with the reins was a bad look.  If going from whipping with reins to "threatening" to whip them with reins (only because there wasn't any clear video evidence that the officers actually were successful in whipping anyone and based on the clear video evidence of attempts to do so or at least threaten to do so) is moving goalposts then I guess I'm guilty as charged.  And you can get fucked if you think I'm a big part of the reason this country is divided as it is.  

Edited September 21, 2021 by DDD Dad

[Anastasis 23469]

5 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

Jesus.  Did you not even bother to watch the whole video?  There's a slow motion breakdown showing him spinning the loose end around in the direction of the people in the river.

Did you?  In both cases I see the rein being applied to the horse.  You are the one that said "Yeah, a white man whipping a black man from a horse with the reins is a much better look."  I didn't see that in the video but ok. 

[hobbes2702 13032]

Yea weird hill, I don’t usually make it a point to defend crackers with “well they were just threatening to do it”.