DACA, immigration reform whatever

[DDD Dad 14078]

Just now, Anastasis said:

Did you?  In both cases I see the rein being applied to the horse.  You are the one that said "Yeah, a white man whipping a black man from a horse with the reins is a much better look."  I didn't see that in the video but ok. 

I didn't see a rein make contact with anyone (despite the Al Jazeera suggestion that it did) either.  But I did see two officers clearly spinning their reins threatening to whip several people.  So, ok.

[Anastasis 23215]

Recent turn of the thread bringing back memories of closing time on 6th street. Except we weren't trying to bring tacos back to our starving family under the 6th street overpass. 

[wildcat09 28563]

Real strong “why would you accuse those fine robed gentlemen of attempted murder when their intended victim escaped from where they were trying to lynch him?” energy here. It’s good shit. 

[DDD Dad 14078]

9 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Recent turn of the thread bringing back memories of closing time on 6th street. Except we weren't trying to bring tacos back to our starving family under the 6th street overpass. 

[fattyflattie 4633]

I’m just excited for the boon of economic activity and taxes these folks will provide for our country. What an economic windfall, we are truly blessed. Don’t know why y’all have to be whipping this, roping that, cracker cracker negative fuckers. 

[elfenix 34127]

if only there were some sort of mechanism by which you could separate out people who are willing to start a long and arduous process that involves a lot of personal sacrifice, even danger, shows that one is a self-starter, a hard worker, and can envision a goal and work to accomplish it.  i bet that would be a great at determining if someone can be successful or not. 

[hobbes2702 12536]

21 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

I’m just excited for the boon of economic activity and taxes these folks will provide for our country. What an economic windfall, we are truly blessed. Don’t know why y’all have to be whipping this, roping that, cracker cracker negative fuckers. 

Are you under the impression immigrants don’t pay taxes or get jobs?

[fattyflattie 4633]

3 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Are you under the impression immigrants don’t pay taxes or get jobs?

I’m under the impression the ones that I pay only take cash, which I’m sure they paying their income tax on.  They just want cash for…reasons. 

[wildcat09 28563]

1 minute ago, fattyflattie said:

I’m under the impression the ones that I pay only take cash, which I’m sure they paying their income tax on.  They just want cash for…reasons. 

Well shit, looks like we need to throw your ass in jail.

[hobbes2702 12536]

Just now, fattyflattie said:

I’m under the impression the ones that I pay only take cash, which I’m sure they paying their income tax on.  They just want cash for…reasons. 

So you continue to do the anecdotal thing instead of looking at the data which show that 50-75% of undocumented immigrants pay local, state, and federal taxes. They also have to buy things which means they pay taxes. 

[hobbes2702 12536]

1 minute ago, wildcat09 said:

Well shit, looks like we need to throw your ass in jail.

The pimp complaining the prostitutes don’t pay enough.

[fattyflattie 4633]

Just now, wildcat09 said:

Well shit, looks like we need to throw your ass in jail.

Lol. Just trying to help some 1st gen immigrants looking for a better life, my man. 

[fattyflattie 4633]

1 minute ago, hobbes2702 said:

So you continue to do the anecdotal thing instead of looking at the data which show that 50-75% of undocumented immigrants pay local, state, and federal taxes. They also have to buy things which means they pay taxes. 

Link? Noborders.com need not apply 

[hobbes2702 12536]

Just now, fattyflattie said:

Link? Noborders.com need not apply 

Try the congressional budget office. Fucking moron

[fattyflattie 4633]

Lulz. 

[mchookem 15574]

bitching about immigrants not paying income tax while simultaneously bragging about paying immigrants with cash so they can avoid paying income tax. i did not have that on my bingo card.

 

Edited September 21, 2021 by mchookem

[wildcat09 28563]

5 minutes ago, mchookem said:

bitching about immigrants not paying income tax while simultaneously bragging about paying immigrants with cash so they can avoid paying income tax. i did not have that on my bingo card.

 

Why do all these homosexuals keep sucking my cock?

[hobbes2702 12536]

6 minutes ago, mchookem said:

bitching about immigrants not paying income tax while simultaneously bragging about paying immigrants with cash so they can avoid paying income tax. i did not have that on my bingo card.

 

Every accusation…

[Willfully Horn 7892]

4 hours ago, Anastasis said:

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Springtime in Uganda

[Biff Tannen 45226]

2 hours ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

In this timeline, I'd be interested to find out if the right-wing (GOP or Rupert Murdoch) financed this latest run to the border by Haitian refugees.  Certainly curious that it has come to a head during the first year of the Biden admin.

I came here to say that the logistics of this wave of immigrants seems...off.  Why the fuck are these people in Del Rio?  How did they get there?  It makes no sense.  Presumably, they took a boat or a plane from Haiti to Mexico. They didn't fly to Ciudad Acuna, so they either took buses or were loaded in semi-trucks all from a single point of origin.  

Let's say they took a boat across the gulf (see below).  Can someone explain this to me?  I'm not usually into conspiracies, but If I were a corrupt party that runs on fear on the verge of losing a bunch of my voting population, I'd be looking for ways to drum up support

 

Edited September 21, 2021 by Biff Tannen

[Willfully Horn 7892]

2 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Why the fuck are these people in Del Rio?  How did they get there? 

 

[Biff Tannen 45226]

9 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:

 

So the claim is that these are not earthquake refugees then?  That large earthquake was on August 14th.  That would be a fucking incredible journey over over 3000 miles in barely a month.  

Edited September 21, 2021 by Biff Tannen
Read the full article and see that they claim it has been years in the making.

[Mrs Whiggins 13049]

1 minute ago, Biff Tannen said:

So the claim is that these are not earthquake refugees then?  That large earthquake was on August 14th.  That would be a fucking incredible journey over over 3000 miles in barely a month.  

The larger earthquake from 11 years ago displaced over 1.5 million people and killed 250,000. So, some Haitians have been without a country for a decade and have little resource in Haiti as the corruption and disaster upon disaster have taken a toll. The leader being assassinated has ratcheted up the instability.

[Willfully Horn 7892]

^ I was trying to answer my wife’s question: why is this happening now? Why are Haitians in Texas and not Florida? Saw that tweet; I’ll go with AP until I learn they are wrong.

Edited to add that my wife isn’t buying the explanation. Thinks this is next level ratfuckery, or political shenanigans. 
 

But, those folks include families.

Edited September 21, 2021 by Willfully Horn
Explained

[Biff Tannen 45226]

Not trying to downplay the plight at all, fyi.  Just weird that this is all happening now.  DHS Sec seems to agree:

Quote

Haitians shifted over the summer to Ciudad Acuña, Mexico, across from Del Rio. Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas said Monday that it was unusually sudden.

 

[Brisketexan 103656]

2 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Not trying to downplay the plight at all, fyi.  Just weird that this is all happening now.  DHS Sec seems to agree:

 

It might be as simple as a rumor spread that US offices at that crossing were more generous in their refugee determination, or something like that.  It might also be something sinister, but odds are, it's an organic decision based on a hodgepodge of information, much of it likely inaccurate.

[Brisketexan 103656]

Also, just a sideline to discuss immigration in general, philosophically, because it's come up twice in the past few days in our family.

First, took my old man out for his birthday this weekend.  Now that he's alone, he's doing a lot of reminiscing, and wants to talk about family history and whatnot.  So he got talking about his parents, including the chapter where my grandfather and his family fled CDMX under a flag of truce during the revolution, probably around 1912-13.  They were loosely affiliated with the regime, and had a price on their heads, so they hauled ass with what they could get in a wagon and headed north.  My great grandfather knew a man he'd done business with in Del Rio.  He reached out to him when they reached the crossing.  The man -- god knows who it was -- was an angel to my family.  He had an extra small house that was unoccupied, and he told my family they could stay there as long as they needed to.  And they did.  They eventually got jobs, paid rent, etc., although they never moved back to CDMX.  When the heat died down, and my grandfather was older and working in Del Rio, he would eventually go back to visit, and ended up buying a ranch in northern Mexico and moving his family (including my to-be-born dad) there.  

So, bottom line....a chunk of my family arrived in Texas literally as refugees fleeing a war, just over 100 years ago.  They found safety and shelter here, provided to them by one Texan in particular.  It provided them a launching pad to rebuild their lives, and provide for the next generations.  I am a grandson of not just immigrants, but a refugee.

And the second story was the message from my son today, in Berlin.  He's over there to study, but he still needed to go through the German immigration office process to get his study visa.  It's an intimidating process -- lots of information, details, and paperwork, and you know, orderly Germans.  And, an 18 year old boy who often has his head up his ass.  He had to take two trains for an hour to get there.  He arrives, and their rule is that you need a KN95 mask (everywhere else, a surgical mask will do).  So in the 6 minutes before his appointment, he sprints down the street to buy a pack of masks.  He comes in, and there's an Iranian dude at the window, facing the same conundrum -- "I don't have that kind of mask."  The boy breaks open the three pack and says "I got you, dude," helping out a grateful man in the immigration office.  He commented that the office was full of a cross-section of humanity, all there to do some work towards their status in Germany.

The interview was entirely in German, and the boy's German is...ok, but not fluent (that's why he's there).  He had to walk through the whole bureaucracy, worried about whether he would get his visa, stumbling through the interview some.  But he got it.  And when we talked through the process after he got home, he said "the visa I was applying for was one of the easiest ones to get, the rest are harder.  Mad respect for immigrants in ANY country."  That thought really hit me.  He's a young man with resources, people who really helped him get prepared, and plenty of safety net behind him.  Many immigrants are not.  They are living their lives out on a limb, working and hoping for that next chance, for the visa to come through, or even just not to get caught so they can stay safe and alive in a country illegally.

We all can and should believe both that countries should have borders, and an orderly system, AND that human beings crossing borders should be treated humanely, and that we should be as generous as we reasonably can be with opportunities.  I'm here because of compassionate people in America who opened their doors to a refugee.  A lot of you probably are, too.  It's a huge part of our national story.  It's a huge part of who we are.

[InkaUtexas 24933]

Hope he has a nice pilsner to celebrate. 

[Brisketexan 103656]

1 minute ago, InkaUtexas said:

Hope he has a nice pilsner to celebrate. 

He apparently had a few the night before with friends.  Which made waking up for his appointment a bit more difficult than it otherwise might have been.  Because 18 yr olds always make excellent choices.

[wildcat09 28563]

That's all nice Brisket, but have you considered the cost to the rest of us? Thanks to America letting you in, we have to put up with all these fucking words in your posts. There's just too many.

[Willfully Horn 7892]

My wife’s father’s parents met and married in Torreón. Lived there until Villa, himself, warned them to gtfo.

[Judge Roybeanbag 11730]

38 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

It might be as simple as a rumor spread that US offices at that crossing were more generous in their refugee determination, or something like that.  It might also be something sinister, but odds are, it's an organic decision based on a hodgepodge of information, much of it likely inaccurate.

That was partly my point, even if it weren't funded by a sinister group, the disinformation could have been planted/spread by a bad actor.   I'm bringing this up, because the "crisis" has been front and center not only on the Fox national shows, but also every single day on the local Fox affiliates.  Almost like it was planned.

[fattyflattie 4633]

2 hours ago, mchookem said:

bitching about immigrants not paying income tax while simultaneously bragging about paying immigrants with cash so they can avoid paying income tax. i did not have that on my bingo card.

 

It’s up to them and their moral compass to pay what they owe. 

[hobbes2702 12536]

11 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

It’s up to them and their moral compass to pay what they owe. 

So you’re still pretending that immigrants don’t pay taxes huh

[Js1 83679]

14 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

It’s up to them and their moral compass to pay what they owe. 

BRB, sending this to the IRS.  

[fattyflattie 4633]

Just now, hobbes2702 said:

So you’re still pretending that immigrants don’t pay taxes huh

Let’s live in your fairytale world that they all do, and you’ve got all the facts.  Net benefit to our tax, school, and healthcare system or no. 

[fattyflattie 4633]

3 minutes ago, Js1 said:

BRB, sending this to the IRS.  

Cool.  Wonder if they’ll bring ICE with them. 

[Brisketexan 103656]

1 hour ago, wildcat09 said:

That's all nice Brisket, but have you considered the cost to the rest of us? Thanks to America letting you in, we have to put up with all these fucking words in your posts. There's just too many.

Counterpoint: Steel Shank and I are responsible for keeping the canned nacho cheese and other awful snack food industries afloat.  You're welcome, America.

1 hour ago, Willfully Horn said:

My wife’s father’s parents met and married in Torreón. Lived there until Villa, himself, warned them to gtfo.

Villa's boys are the ones who put a price on our heads.  My grandfather, a young boy at the time in CDMX, had free run of the city with less risk than adults.  Family legend is that he was milling about in an adjacent room when the famous group photo with Zapata was taken in the national palace.  Of course, that would put the timeline of our family fleeing CDMX sometime in 2014 (the year of that photo).  A lot of rumor and such in the family history from that era, who knows what's true?

Also, we had a sandwich guy in Gomez Palacio (adjacent to Torreon) -- great roasted pork tortas from a street cart, we picked them up for lunch every time we passed through on the way to the ranch.

[hobbes2702 12536]

12 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Let’s live in your fairytale world that they all do, and you’ve got all the facts.  Net benefit to our tax, school, and healthcare system or no. 

I’m sure some research would yield you some answers. Or you can continue posting your uninformed nonsense. They pay billions of dollars into government programs that they will never be eligible to use. Now do the same for the wealthy in this country.

Edited September 21, 2021 by hobbes2702

[Willfully Horn 7892]

Wife’s grandfather was an accountant for the railroad. When he shot a mountain lion he became notable enough to attract the redhead gringa who cleaned the pipes in the steam engines. Family lore is best when it has room to breathe.

[DDD Dad 14078]

When he shot a mountain lion he became notable enough to attract the redhead gringa who cleaned the pipes in the steam engines.

That’s what they called it back then?

[Willfully Horn 7892]

4 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

That’s what they called it back then?

[El Tri 398]

53 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

It’s up to them and their moral compass to pay what they owe. 

typical asshole who complains and bitches about immigrants, but has no issue hiring them because they will do the job better and cheaper.

quit being a hypocrite and hire only americans and pay them much more, with a check

Edited September 21, 2021 by El Tri

[fattyflattie 4633]

4 minutes ago, El Tri said:

typical asshole who complains and bitches about immigrants, but has no issue hiring them because they will do the job better and cheaper.

quit being a hypocrite and hire only americans and pay them with a check

I have no problem with immigrants. But maybe we can mix in some fucking doctors and lawyer immigrants? There’s 10 lawn and maid crews in my neighborhood everyday, think we’ve got that covered.  

America.  Will bulldoze (literally for you voters in Austin) our own poor to make room for more poor.    

Edited September 21, 2021 by fattyflattie

[Captainant 26927]

Just now, fattyflattie said:

I have no problem with immigrants. But maybe we can mix in some fucking doctors and lawyer immigrants? There’s 10 lawn and maid crews in my neighborhood everyday, think we’ve got that covered.  

America.  Will bulldoze (literally for you voters in Austin) our own poor to make room for more poor.    

You're missing the point - you're shirking on paying taxes for your labor by exploiting immigrants and paying them less and in cash. 

[fattyflattie 4633]

Just now, Captainant said:

You're missing the point - you're shirking on paying taxes for your labor by exploiting immigrants and paying them less and in cash. 

Like I said, am I if he does what he is legally and morally supposed to do?  Anymore than someone you buy goods from deciding they aren’t going to pay taxes that year?  I give him money, whether he obeys the law is not my choice.  Hard to assume they are considering they started off the American dream by breaking it. 

[Biff Tannen 45226]

2 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

But maybe we can mix in some fucking doctors and lawyer immigrants? 

My wife went to med school with a TON of Indian classmates.  There are a fuck ton of doctors.

[DDD Dad 14078]

I have no problem with immigrants. But maybe we can mix in some fucking doctors and lawyer immigrants? There’s 10 lawn and maid crews in my neighborhood everyday, think we’ve got that covered.  
America.  Will bulldoze (literally for you voters in Austin) our own poor to make room for more poor.    

Just what we need. More lawyers.

[fattyflattie 4633]

Just now, Biff Tannen said:

My wife went to med school with a TON of Indian classmates.  There are a fuck ton of doctors.

That’s legal immigration at work.  Beautiful thing. 

[fattyflattie 4633]

Just now, DDD Dad said:

Just what we need. More lawyers.

Not going to lie, I typed that out and then deleted, then typed it out again.  Figured someone would question why I’m advocating for more criminals.