DACA, immigration reform whatever

[HtownHorn 14443]

I know this will come as a shock to most of you, but under the Obama administration immigrant children were turned over to human traffickers because of lack of due diligence on their part.

To those of you who were saying Obama didn't separate families, well these people don't believe you.

 

Edited June 18, 2018 by HtownHorn

[F250 28646]

48 minutes ago, Chrispy said:

It’s hip to be outraged. 

It's moral outrage, which is why Laura Bush who has always been publicly silent took out an op-ed in the Washington Post. It's why religious organizations ranging from the Roman Catholic Church to the Southern Baptist Convention have spoken out against this policy. It's why Trump supporters like Franklin Graham have spoken out against this policy. This is about moral vs immoral.

 

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

Just now, HtownHorn said:

I know this will come as a shock to most of you, but under the Obama administration immigrant children were turned over to human traffickers because of lack of due diligence on their part. Of course those of you who were saying Obama didn't separate families, well these people don't believe you.

 

[HtownHorn 14443]

Just now, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Yep, it's all you libs do when  it comes to Obama.

[Mojo Hand 4580]

Just now, HtownHorn said:

I know this will come as a shock to most of you, but under the Obama administration immigrant children were turned over to human traffickers because of lack of due diligence on their part.

To those of you who were saying Obama didn't separate families, well these people don't believe you.

 

Wait, so people did complain about the (different) Obama policy?   Nice job undermining your own false narrative. 

[BabaYaga 15201]

1 minute ago, hobbes2702 said:

Oh tell us more

Should we start with the original pics?  The ones tweeted out, that inconveniently turned out to be from 2014? 

[David Dennison 18561]

1 minute ago, HtownHorn said:

I know this will come as a shock to most of you, but under the Obama administration immigrant children were turned over to human traffickers because of lack of due diligence on their part.

To those of you who were saying Obama didn't separate families, well these people don't believe you.

 

But they didn't actually do it. That's the difference.

[hobbes2702 12771]

Just now, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Shocking that the people who can only blame the refs when their teams lose are the same people scrambling to defend this. It’s almost like they’re disingenuous pussies

[HtownHorn 14443]

Just now, David Dennison said:

But they didn't actually do it. That's the difference.

Right, because Obama and his administration were always straight shooters. 

[HtownHorn 14443]

Just now, hobbes2702 said:

Shocking that the people who can only blame the refs when their teams lose are the same people scrambling to defend this. It’s almost like they’re disingenuous pussies

No one is defending it. We just find your outrage a little hypocritical and late.

[Homercles 10205]

Wait...people are actually vehemently defending this thing?

[BabaYaga 15201]

Just now, HtownHorn said:

Right, because Obama and his administration were always straight shooters. 

No, the protesters, armed with tremendous foresight, were protesting what MIGHT happen, MAYBE, just in case....

[lemonlime 5503]

Maybe you should start an Obama WIll Never Be President Again thread to bitch about him.

[Brian Fantana 6654]

Just now, HtownHorn said:

No one is defending it. We just find your outrage a little hypocritical and late.

Lolz

[hobbes2702 12771]

1 minute ago, HtownHorn said:

No one is defending it. We just find your outrage a little hypocritical and late.

Sure you’re not. It’s the refs fault right 

[BabaYaga 15201]

Just now, lemonlime said:

Maybe you should start an Obama WIll Never Be President Again thread to bitch about him.

We can put it right under the Current Administration policies carried over from the previous administration's policies that I'm all of a sudden outraged at...

[Mojo Hand 4580]

1,995 children taken from parents in family border separations in just six weeks.   How many were there under Obama? 

[Brian Fantana 6654]

Just now, BabaYaga said:

We can put it right under the Current Administration policies carried over from the previous administration's policies that I'm all of a sudden outraged at...

Lolz

[David Dennison 18561]

2 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

We can put it right under the Current Administration policies carried over from the previous administration's policies that I'm all of a sudden outraged at...

This was never the policy of the previous administration.

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13536]

14 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

Yes, this is the only time what I described has happened.   Tell us when it has happened before — specifically a broad, extended policy to charge misdemeanor illegal entry offenses in order to separate families at the border.  When exactly was that, when thousands of children were previously taken from parents in a six-week span based in illegal entry misdemeanor charges? 

*crickets*

[BabaYaga 15201]

1 minute ago, Brian Fantana said:

Lolz

Fantana was too busy to get outraged at the 25,000 children housed on more than 80 HHS Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR) centers under the previous adminstration.....or, as they are more commonly called today:   concentration camps"

[BabaYaga 15201]

2 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

This was never the policy of the previous administration.

Derp..derp...derp...

[Mojo Hand 4580]

Just now, BabaYaga said:

Fantana was too busy to get outraged at the 25,000 children housed on more than 80 HHS Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR) centers under the previous adminstration.....or, as they are more commonly called today:   concentration camps"

That's not family separation data.  Those are kids who didn't arrive at the border with parents.  There have been 1,995 children taken from parents in family border separations in just six weeks under Trump.   How many were there under Obama? 

[Johnny Sack 8397]

So concentration camps are okay for unaccompanied minors?  Is that what we are saying?

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

6 minutes ago, Homercles said:

Wait...people are actually vehemently defending this thing?

They are but they don't know it. 

They are trying to curb the moral outrage and stick it to the libs but in doing so they are normalizing state sponsored child abuse.

It's truly amazing to behold.  

 

[BabaYaga 15201]

1 minute ago, Mojo Hand said:

That's not family separation data.  Those are kids who didn't arrive at the border with parents.  There have been 1,995 children taken from parents in family border separations in just six weeks under Trump.   How many were there under Obama? 

Ah, yes, so the "Obama don't separate me from my mommy" posters were carefully crafted GOP obfuscation paid for by the diabolical Koch puppeteers..

[Jester 382]

20 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

They've neither watched this, or be willing to acknowledge its content - this is, as already admitted, about optics.  About their "side" using this is a fucking political stunt.  They won't touch the fact that this is a carry-over from the previous administrations policies...

It's not a carry over you dimwit.  Trump enacted his 'zero tolerance' policy.  It is decidedly different than past administrations.  When you have Laura Bush issuing an opinion piece on the subject decrying this 'policy', it's patently fucking obvious something is wrong.

Call it what it is, Trump is trying to use these kids as a negotiating tool for immigration reform.  It's a bold strategy Cotton....

[Mojo Hand 4580]

Just now, BabaYaga said:

Ah, yes, so the "Obama don't separate me from my mommy" posters were carefully crafted GOP obfuscation paid for by the diabolical Koch puppeteers..

So how many were separated from parents under Obama? 

[Dahobbs 17417]

BabaYaga and HtownHown deserve to go to hell along with anyone else associated with or supporting this practice. And I mean everyone who tolerates it or enforces it. Bullshit like I'm just doing my job should not be tolerated.

[Mojo Hand 4580]

Let's just step back and enjoy that the "evidence" that Obama did the same thing without anyone complaining is a picture of people protesting against the notion of Obama doing it.  The evidence is a protest!  The cognitive dissonance is incredible. 

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13536]

4 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Ah, yes, so the "Obama don't separate me from my mommy" posters were carefully crafted GOP obfuscation paid for by the diabolical Koch puppeteers..

Nice retreat.

 

And by nice retreat I mean shitty retreat.

[BabaYaga 15201]

2 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

BabaYaga and HtownHown deserve to go to hell along with anyone else associated with or supporting this practice. And I mean everyone who tolerates it or enforces it. Bullshit like I'm just doing my job should not be tolerated.

That didn't take long....moving on from Godwin?  Nobody is defending anything, rather pointing out the blatant hypocrisy when the previous administration housed 25,000 children in these "concentration camps" and you didn't say shit about it?

[Mojo Hand 4580]

1 minute ago, BabaYaga said:

That didn't take long....moving on from Godwin?  Nobody is defending anything, rather pointing out the blatant hypocrisy when the previous administration housed 25,000 children in these "concentration camps" and you didn't say shit about it?

How many did Obama separate from their parents? 

[BabaYaga 15201]

1 minute ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

Nice retreat.

 

And by nice retreat I mean shitty retreat.

Remind me where the parents were for those 25,000 kids again?

[Chrispy 132]

28 minutes ago, F250 said:

It's moral outrage, which is why Laura Bush who has always been publicly silent took out an op-ed in the Washington Post. It's why religious organizations ranging from the Roman Catholic Church to the Southern Baptist Convention have spoken out against this policy. It's why Trump supporters like Franklin Graham have spoken out against this policy. This is about moral vs immoral.

 

 

I wish all of you well on your ascent to moral high ground. 

Edited June 18, 2018 by Chrispy

[Pancho 44322]

 

[lemonlime 5503]

Just now, Pancho Negro said:

 

The word is "lies."  

[Pig Bellmont 8678]

Fuck anyone who supports this policy. 

[Mojo Hand 4580]

Just now, BabaYaga said:

Remind me where the parents were for those 25,000 kids again?

You tell us.  Under the current policy, the parents are jailed at the border on misdemeanor illegal entry charges.  How many of the parents you're citing under Obama were in the same situation?   

[Dahobbs 17417]

3 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

That didn't take long....moving on from Godwin?  Nobody is defending anything, rather pointing out the blatant hypocrisy when the previous administration housed 25,000 children in these "concentration camps" and you didn't say shit about it?

Purposely separating children from their mothers is far different from having to place children who didn't have family somewhere. Again, you deserve hell. I hope one day you realize how terrible this whole thing is and how terrible you've been for ignoring it. 

[F250 28646]

17 minutes ago, Homercles said:

Wait...people are actually vehemently defending this thing?

Yeah, the cloak room has always been predictable but I am shocked to see multiple people take on the mantle of defending this atrocious policy.

[BabaYaga 15201]

Just now, Pig Bellmont said:

Fuck anyone who supports this policy. 

So you're saying you'd be fine with a cop pulling over drunk parents and packing Mom dad and their 2 kids off to a county holding cell while mom and dad await trial?

[Dahobbs 17417]

3 minutes ago, Chrispy said:

I wish all of you well on you ascent to moral high ground. 

You can go to hell too. The banality of evil and all that. 

[BabaYaga 15201]

2 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

Purposely separating children from their mothers is far different from having to place children who didn't have family somewhere. Again, you deserve hell. I hope one day you realize how terrible this whole thing is and how terrible you've been for ignoring it. 

Nowhere in our criminal justice system do we allow criminals to retain custody of their kids or put incarcerated minors in with incarcerated adults

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13536]

5 minutes ago, Chrispy said:

I wish all of you well on you ascent to moral high ground. 

Thanks.

[Mojo Hand 4580]

Just now, BabaYaga said:

So you're saying you'd be fine with a cop pulling over drunk parents and packing Mom dad and their 2 kids off to a county holding cell while mom and dad await trial?

You keep asking other people questions, yet refuse to answer the simplest of questions about your claim that Obama did the same thing.   How many children were separated from their parents at the border by the Obama administration charging their parents with illegal entry?  1,995 children in six weeks under Trump.  How many when Obama supposedly did the same thing? 

[David Dennison 18561]

3 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

So you're saying you'd be fine with a cop pulling over drunk parents and packing Mom dad and their 2 kids off to a county holding cell while mom and dad await trial?

That analogy doesn't work, particularly with asylum seekers.

[David Dennison 18561]

1 minute ago, BabaYaga said:

Nowhere in our criminal justice system do we allow criminals to retain custody of their kids or put incarcerated minors in with incarcerated adults

Asylum seekers are not criminals. They are not entering the country illegally.

[BabaYaga 15201]

1 minute ago, Mojo Hand said:

You keep asking other people questions, yet refuse to answer the simplest of questions about your claim that Obama did the same thing.   How many children were separated from their parents at the border by the Obama administration charging their parents with illegal entry?  1,995 children in six weeks under Trump.  How many when Obama supposedly did the same thing? 

And those 25,000 children Obama detained....rounded up from school trips and class outings?  

[lemonlime 5503]

1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

That analogy doesn't work, particularly with asylum seekers.

They're also sending some (most?) of the parents back to other countries.  While leaving their children in cages in the U.S.