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mchookem
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bitching about immigrants not paying income tax while simultaneously bragging about paying immigrants with cash so they can avoid paying income tax. i did not have that on my bingo card.  

TSipper
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We owe this girl and her family nothing. I do not care if they are fleeing violence, that is not the responsibility of this country. 7 billion people on this planet, is it our job to take all of them

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Spin it however you wish, this man forced his daughter into the river, not our policies. 

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Just now, Equinox said:

I read it. It says enforce previous policy.

Whose previous policy?

Do some research. The facts of the issue will shatter your little worldview. You’ll probably cry but you’ll come away a more informed person. Maybe you’ll even learn what a fact is

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7 minutes ago, Equinox said:

You're telling me it never happened during Obama's term? Never?

I'm not. I guessed eleven earlier in the thread. It"s been asked multiple times and you're bringing it up again. You seem interested in the subject. 

 

I guessed eleven.

 

What's you're guess? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

It doesn't. That's the point. It isn't a law. It's something they are doing as a matter of policy. They can stop any time they want to.

I agree it's awful. Let's say the stop separating children from their parents immediately. What is your solution to the problem? Catch and release?

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34 minutes ago, kevwun said:

Yeah, no.  You guys are trying to claim that the folks fleeing violence and poverty in in South and Central America should stop in Mexico where almost the same conditions are present.

I'm saying they have a choice that is not the problem of the US government.  Escape your situation, you claim is dangerous, and stay in the closer country Mexico till you go back to your country of origin.  As you say they shouldn't move into the Northern part of Mexico where it is dangerous.  

Economic relief, escape from poverty, is not a valid asylum request IIRC.

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17 minutes ago, Equinox said:

All I see is a renewal of previous policies. 

Where is the part about "ripping kids away from their parents and send them to concentration camps"?

https://www.vox.com/2018/6/11/17443198/children-immigrant-families-separated-parents

You won’t read it bc you’re a worthless troll, but this seriously has the answers. Referring everyone to criminal prosecution mandates family separation, which had caused over at least 1,000 children to be separated from their parents since last April. 

“Typically, people apprehended crossing into the US are held in immigration detention and sent before an immigration judge to see if they will be deported as unauthorized immigrants. 

But migrants who’ve been referred for criminal prosecution get sent to a federal jail and brought before a federal judge a few weeks later to see if they’ll get prison time. That’s where the separation happens — because you can’t be kept with your children in federal jail.”

the zero tolerance policy refers even asylum seekers to criminal prosecution. Oh, also we don’t do even a decent job at attempting to reunite families once the parents are released. 

But please - continue with your ignorant bullshit

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1 minute ago, Pig Bellmont said:

https://www.vox.com/2018/6/11/17443198/children-immigrant-families-separated-parents

You won’t read it bc you’re a worthless troll, but this seriously has the answers. Referring everyone to criminal prosecution mandates family separation, which had caused over at least 1,000 children to be separated from their parents since last April. 

“Typically, people apprehended crossing into the US are held in immigration detention and sent before an immigration judge to see if they will be deported as unauthorized immigrants. 

But migrants who’ve been referred for criminal prosecution get sent to a federal jail and brought before a federal judge a few weeks later to see if they’ll get prison time. That’s where the separation happens — because you can’t be kept with your children in federal jail.”

the zero tolerance policy refers even asylum seekers to criminal prosecution. Oh, also we don’t do even a decent job at attempting to reunite families once the parents are released. 

But please - continue with your ignorant bullshit

So you want the children to be in jail as well?

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https://www.vox.com/2018/6/11/17443198/children-immigrant-families-separated-parents

You won’t read it bc you’re a worthless troll, but this seriously has the answers. Referring everyone to criminal prosecution mandates family separation, which had caused over at least 1,000 children to be separated from their parents since last April. 

“Typically, people apprehended crossing into the US are held in immigration detention and sent before an immigration judge to see if they will be deported as unauthorized immigrants. 

But migrants who’ve been referred for criminal prosecution get sent to a federal jail and brought before a federal judge a few weeks later to see if they’ll get prison time. That’s where the separation happens — because you can’t be kept with your children in federal jail.”

the zero tolerance policy refers even asylum seekers to criminal prosecution. Oh, also we don’t do even a decent job at attempting to reunite families once the parents are released. 

But please - continue with your ignorant bullshit

Isn't that point a bit different in that the asylum seekers who are crossing illegally are the ones who are being prosecuted as opposed to the lucky few who are able to secure appointments at the legal asylum checkpoints?

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2 minutes ago, Zepol87 said:

This is fucking disgusting. What the hell is wrong with these people? People in the detention making jokes about kids crying. What the fuck is wrong with us?

These people have no hearts. Just a black void where it should be.  That's why they live so long - there's nothing to stop ticking.

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This is fucking disgusting. What the hell is wrong with these people? People in the detention making jokes about kids crying. What the fuck is wrong with us?

This is what happens when you dehumanize a class of people.  As history has repeatedly shown, it gets worse and worse unless stopped by opposition.

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Where's the policy? Post more pictures.

That is the memo from the Attorney General instituting a zero tolerance policy at the southern border. It is not a continuation of previous policies. On the contrary, it says in plain English that, "This zero-tolerance policy shall supersede any existing policies."

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2 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

https://www.vox.com/2018/6/11/17443198/children-immigrant-families-separated-parents

You won’t read it bc you’re a worthless troll, but this seriously has the answers. Referring everyone to criminal prosecution mandates family separation, which had caused over at least 1,000 children to be separated from their parents since last April. 

“Typically, people apprehended crossing into the US are held in immigration detention and sent before an immigration judge to see if they will be deported as unauthorized immigrants. 

But migrants who’ve been referred for criminal prosecution get sent to a federal jail and brought before a federal judge a few weeks later to see if they’ll get prison time. That’s where the separation happens — because you can’t be kept with your children in federal jail.”

the zero tolerance policy refers even asylum seekers to criminal prosecution. Oh, also we don’t do even a decent job at attempting to reunite families once the parents are released. 

But please - continue with your ignorant bullshit

What a worthless link. And still nothing about Trump signing an order, bill, etc.

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That is the memo from the Attorney General instituting a zero tolerance policy at the southern border. It is not a continuation of previous policies. On the contrary, it says in plain English that, "This zero-tolerance policy shall supersede any existing policies."

No.

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21 minutes ago, RandomIdoit said:

Belize. Might even retire there.

Same here, but check out their immigration laws. 

You can buy or rent property, move around the country without hindrance, but you are not allowed to work. The immigration laws require that when you renew your visitor permit, you need to show proof of sufficient funds to stay in Belize.

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7 minutes ago, Equinox said:

Are you deranged? You keep foaming at the mouth about Trump ripping kids away from families, and claiming that it never happened until Trump. 

Who gives a fuck. Let his dick out of your mouth. The problem is that it shouldn't be happening at all. Why won't your orange god fix it?

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Today was not a good day for Trump defenders here. Literally not a single one was left with a shred of argument by the end.   Embarrassing showing. 

The Republican Party is showing signs of panic. This is a very, very bad look and they know it. It's only going to get worse until they stop it.

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2 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Same here, but check out their immigration laws. 

You can buy or rent property, move around the country without hindrance, but you are not allowed to work. The immigration laws require that when you renew your visitor permit, you need to show proof of sufficient funds to stay in Belize.

Yea because Belize has became a great and prosperous country by getting immigrants to do the dirty work since forever. 

Stop with stupid analogies

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Yea because Belize has became a great and prosperous by getting immigrants to do the dirty work since forever. 

Stop with stupid analogies

So this is why you're so concerned? So we can have more bodies for cheap labor and dirty work?

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17 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

It doesn't. That's the point. It isn't a law. It's something they are doing as a matter of policy. They can stop any time they want to.

The Traffic Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008  says it's a law.

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7 minutes ago, Equinox said:

What a worthless link. And still nothing about Trump signing an order, bill, etc.

And the trolling doesn’t stop. I’m sorry you are a piece of shit whose brain doesn’t properly function.

”There is no law that requires immigrant families to be separated. The decision to charge everyone crossing the border with illegal entry — and the decision to charge asylum seekers in criminal court rather than waiting to see if they qualify for asylum — are both decisions the Trump administration has made.”

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1 minute ago, BabaYaga said:

Hillary was separated from the White House....so it's not all bad.

She's not busy, and the Foundation got all those donations. Maybe she should go down there and take care of everybody.

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5 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Cite the relevant section.

8 USC 1232.235 b.3

(3) TRANSFERS OF UNACCOMPANIED ALIEN CHILDREN.— Except in the case of exceptional circumstances, any department or agency of the Federal Government that has an unaccompanied alien child in custody shall transfer the custody of such child to the Secretary of Health and Human Services not later than 72 hours after determining that such child is an unaccompanied alien child

 

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(2) SAFE AND SECURE PLACEMENTS.—Subject to section 462(b)(2) of the Homeland Security Act of 2002 (6 U.S.C. 279(b)(2)), an unaccompanied alien child in the custody of the Secretary of Health and Human Services shall be promptly placed in the least restrictive setting that is in the best interest of the child. In making such placements, the Secretary may consider danger to self, danger to the community, and risk of flight. Placement of child trafficking victims may include placement in an Unaccompanied Refugee Minor program, pursuant to section 412(d) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1522(d)), if a suitable family member is not available to provide care. A child shall not be placed in a secure facility absent a determination that the child poses a danger to self or others or has been charged with having committed a criminal offense. The placement of a child in a secure facility shall be reviewed, at a minimum, on a monthly basis, in accordance with procedures prescribed by the Secretary, to determine if such placement remains warranted. 

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