DACA, immigration reform whatever

[RayDog 682]

24 minutes ago, SDG said:

You are correct. You can apply for defensive asylum up to a year after arrival but can’t have been deported.  That’s a rather odd process...

In civilized countries that acknowledge the international right of asylum people are not charged with a crime for entering the country to request asylum.

This is another administration policy that must change either through a policy change or legislation.

[JBJ 3827]

10 minutes ago, Foosters said:

This is not true. 

Correct.  You can seek it anywhere except the Canadian border.

[Ted Lange 16414]

The White House is infested

[Bozo_Casanova 26851]

The White House is infested

With Koala bears. It’s the cutest infestation ever.

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13629]

Lewandowski doubles down on womp womp because of course. 

[Pancho 46320]

 

[achooloco 1086]

6 hours ago, Anastasis said:

Russia! /Hugo

 

But kinda serious. If Russian actives measures are being deployed to split Americans, there is zero reason to think that they are not doing so on the immigration issue via social network. 

Before this comment gets lost, I’m still catching up, completely agree with this opinion.

[RandomIdoit 739]

1 hour ago, Dahobbs said:

That any law requires (1) the detention of anyone crossing the border in a secure facility, (2) that release prior to trial is somehow incompatible with the law (it is in fact a common practice for pretty much any crime), and (3) that the fact that some family detention were run in unlawful fashion means that no such facility can be operated.

1 and 2 are 100% false. 3 is of questionable validity as the second flores case turned on the nature of the specific facilities and how they were utilized. Again, you are full of shit. 

I just want to point out that if someone is a flight risk or at risk to not show up to trial, they are not released.

[EMAWesome 101]

Well, you can bet your ass the media isn't going to cover this child.

 

[JBJ 3827]

1 hour ago, Dahobbs said:

That any law requires (1) the detention of anyone crossing the border in a secure facility, (2) that release prior to trial is somehow incompatible with the law (it is in fact a common practice for pretty much any crime), and (3) that the fact that some family detention were run in unlawful fashion means that no such facility can be operated.

1 and 2 are 100% false. 3 is of questionable validity as the second flores case turned on the nature of the specific facilities and how they were utilized. Again, you are full of shit. 

Nice backtrack.  So you at least admit that law requires children to be separated?

Now to address your work-arounds:

1) Detention is used to enforce border laws (and really any high crime for that matter), which is the entire point.  Previous administrations have had policies of non-enforcement or immediate release in spite of what the law requires.

2) There are still bond hearings in immigration court.  I don't get your point unless it is a restatement of number 1.

3) New Flores turned on keeping families together not being an acceptable excuse to violate the previous Flores.  Calling it the "specific nature of the facilities" is a disingenuous attempt to obfuscate that.  "The "specific nature of the facilities" was to allow for family detention.

 

Trump is following the laws closer than any other administration.  You just don't like what the law is. 

I agree. The law is stupid.

Our legal immigration is so slow and restrictive that it incentivizes people to make specious asylum claims.  Then, we can't process the volume of asylum claims, so they illegally cross.  Then, they get arrested and separated from their children because of the unintended consequences of a human trafficking law.  When we address that, Flores v Lynch is especially dumb because it is a lose-lose.  Bad for families/children and bad for enforcement.

Its like Mr. Bumble said, "If that's the law, the law is an ass."

[GW Hayduke 1957]

40 minutes ago, Pancho Negro said:

 

This. The immigration threat is manufactured for political purposes. 

[Pancho 46320]

 

[David Dennison 19543]

Just now, Pancho Negro said:

 

They are so dumb.

 

[Pancho 46320]

 

[Dahobbs 18324]

5 minutes ago, JBJ said:

Nice backtrack.  So you at least admit that law requires children to be separated?

Now to address your work-arounds:

1) Detention is used to enforce border laws (and really any high crime for that matter), which is the entire point.  Previous administrations have had policies of non-enforcement or immediate release in spite of what the law requires.

2) There are still bond hearings in immigration court.  I don't get your point unless it is a restatement of number 1.

3) New Flores turned on keeping families together not being an acceptable excuse to violate the previous Flores.  Calling it the "specific nature of the facilities" is a disingenuous attempt to obfuscate that.  "The "specific nature of the facilities" was to allow for family detention.

 

Trump is following the laws closer than any other administration.  You just don't like what the law is. 

I agree. The law is stupid.

Our legal immigration is so slow and restrictive that it incentivizes people to make specious asylum claims.  Then, we can't process the volume of asylum claims, so they illegally cross.  Then, they get arrested and separated from their children because of the unintended consequences of a human trafficking law.  When we address that, Flores v Lynch is especially dumb because it is a lose-lose.  Bad for families/children and bad for enforcement.

Its like Mr. Bumble said, "If that's the law, the law is an ass."

I am not back tracking. The law doesnt require separation of the familes. That is a policy choice in enforcement of the laws. There is no provision so that says everyone must be detained. Certain folks may be detained in certain circumstances (e.g., flight risk). However, as pointed out, there are other ways to handle that, like ankle monitors. Like most laws, there is a ton of room for discretion by both the prosectors and the courts. Lawyers recognize that. Judges recognize that. I am sorry that you cannot. 

[bolverk 30331]

1 hour ago, RDCanecutter said:

Coming over the walls like at the Alamo.

Led by the GAP kid.

[F250 29201]

31 minutes ago, EMAWesome said:

Well, you can bet your ass the media isn't going to cover this child.

 

If that's real, I'll buy one.

[Pancho 46320]

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

7 minutes ago, F250 said:

If that's real, I'll buy one.

Do they come in Nazi? Preferably SS.

[Pancho 46320]

 

[Gatorubet 30720]

1 hour ago, EMAWesome said:

Well, you can bet your ass the media isn't going to cover this child.

 

Listen Norwegians are all scum.   This little Norbagge brat is no different.

[Gatorubet 30720]

On 6/19/2018 at 8:47 PM, Ragnarok said:

One part of the solution is to quit  incentivizing people to bring children with them to the border, which is what we did before Obama de facto opened the border.

Where did you hear this? True question.   Also, in what way did Obama 'open up the border', de facto or not, when he had record number of deportations in his terms?  I'll hang up and let Hannity answer. 

[Gatorubet 30720]

13 hours ago, Anastasis said:

So Sessions wants to order DNA tests and send them to the boarder. JFC. 

Fuck. Dumping them at Taco Bell is beyond cruel.

[Aqua Buddha 14807]

So, now they're going start holding immigrants in camps at military bases?  You do know the total number will get above 200,000 very quickly, right?  This will not end well.

[Captainant 28542]

35 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

So, now they're going start holding immigrants in camps at military bases?  You do know the total number will get above 200,000 very quickly, right?  This will not end well.

Guess we have to increase military budgets again then /s

[Anastasis 23721]

3 minutes ago, Captainant said:

 Guess we have to increase military budgets again then /s

[simplicity 9]

33 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Guess we have to increase military budgets again then /s

Don't give them any ideas please.

[Brisketexan 106903]

Well, you can bet your ass the media isn't going to cover this child.
 

Well, they shouldn’t. We don’t want to encourage such conduct. Little cheater isn’t even wearing a blindfold.

This. The immigration threat is manufactured for political purposes. 

And this.

Look, we need a real, functioning immigration system and border, as it’s simply a part of a healthy, functioning society. And what we have now is unquestionably broken, in every possible direction.

But in terms of the effects on the country of the system being the way it is, it’s de minimis.

Brown people bussing tables and putting up roofs are easy and defenseless bogeymen and distractions. That’s their biggest role in our politics and government.

[Ragnarok 103]

Troll level: Grandmaster

 

[David Dennison 19543]

Why not done?

[Pancho 46320]

 

[Texas73 422]

2 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

Where did you hear this? True question.   Also, in what way did Obama 'open up the border', de facto or not, when he had record number of deportations in his terms?  I'll hang up and let Hannity answer. 

Fox News says Obama opened up the border numerous times a day so it must be true.

[bad_teammate 13524]

4 hours ago, EMAWesome said:

Well, you can bet your ass the media isn't going to cover this child.

 

My only problem with this is that it's a pinata and not the actual head of ICE.

[Mapache 1117]

8 hours ago, bolverk said:

Led by the GAP kid.

Vamonos mi gente !!

Edited June 21, 2018 by Mapache

[SaucyJack 3520]

7 hours ago, EMAWesome said:

Well, you can bet your ass the media isn't going to cover this child.

 

OPERATION CONDOR

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was a campaign of political repression and state terror in Latin American countries involving intelligence operations and assassination of opponents, mainly civilians, originally planned by the CIA

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor

Wiki doesn't begin to cover what actually happened. Many folks can't comprehend this reality. We had many good people lose their lives over these stupid policies, but I digress.

 

Edited June 21, 2018 by SaucyJack

[Pancho 46320]

 

[Equinox 95]

4 hours ago, Pancho Negro said:

 

That second one is a fine source of info. Good job, good effort.

[Pancho 46320]

8 minutes ago, Equinox said:

That second one is a fine source of info. Good job, good effort.

The United States is drugging and beating (and putting in cages) immigrant children and this is what you’re focused on? 

Are you and your party going after Blacks next?

[Equinox 95]

3 minutes ago, Pancho Negro said:

The United States is drugging and beating (and putting in cages) immigrant children and this is what you’re focused on? 

 

I'm just giving you the same medicine other posters get around here. Sorry.

[Pancho 46320]

 

[Pancho 46320]

We still haven’t seen pictures of the girls/females.  

Wonder why?

[WhatTheBuck 28930]

15 minutes ago, Pancho Negro said:

We still haven’t seen pictures of the girls/females.  

Wonder why?

They're all chained up in Stephen Miller's basement. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

1 hour ago, Pancho Negro said:

We still haven’t seen pictures of the girls/females.  

Wonder why?

You know who else doesn’t allow cameras in their prisons for kids?

North Korea

[Pancho 46320]

 

[Aqua Buddha 14807]

8 hours ago, Ragnarok said:

Troll level: Grandmaster

 

So, Donald Trump himself supported Hillary's immigration policy?  Interesting.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

4 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

So, Donald Trump himself supported Hillary's immigration policy?  Interesting.

Obviously the democrats had immigration figured out. 

[FondrenRoad 4378]

1 hour ago, Pancho Negro said:

 

I find that hard to believe. If that actually happened, everyone in the entire chain of command needs to be thrown in prison. 

It is more likely that they were given tetanus shots, vaccines, or possibly antibiotics, and the stress and anxiety of separation and imprisonment is what caused the exhaustion. Still bad, but not as bad. 

Edited June 21, 2018 by FondrenRoad

[Pancho 46320]

3 minutes ago, FondrenRoad said:

I find that hard to believe. If that actually happened, everyone in the entire chain of command needs to be thrown in prison. 

It is more likely that they were given tetanus shots, vaccines, or possibly antibiotics, and the stress and anxiety of separation and imprisonment is what caused the exhaustion. Still bad, but not as bad. 

 

[Captainant 28542]

4 minutes ago, FondrenRoad said:

I find that hard to believe. If that actually happened, everyone in the entire chain of command needs to be thrown in prison. 

It is more likely that they were given tetanus shots, vaccines, or possibly antibiotics, and the stress and anxiety of separation and imprisonment is what caused the exhaustion. Still bad, but not as bad. 

There's been multiple journalists reporting that they're dosing kids with anything psychotics because for some reason they're melting down after being ripped away from their parents. 

[Dolemite 143]

11 hours ago, Pancho Negro said:

 

Welcome to America.

http://www.brasscheck.com/druggingkids/

http://www.cchr.org/cchr-reports/child-drugging/introduction.html