DACA, immigration reform whatever

[HenryJames 67326]

 

[4th&Five 41988]

Very cool and very legal.

 

[fattyflattie 4640]

On 5/13/2019 at 7:51 AM, GSU&UT said:

Reminder that this is conservatives current border policy.

 

 

I would apologize if I knowingly brought my kids into that situation too.  Pretty shitty thing to bring your kids into, tbh. Right, wrong, or other, this situation on the border has been very well publicized Trumps entire tenure. 

[David Dennison 19529]

3 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

I would apologize if I knowingly brought my kids into that situation too.  Pretty shitty thing to bring your kids into, tbh. Right, wrong, or other, this situation on the border has been very well publicized Trumps entire tenure. 

That should tell you something about the situations they are leaving.

[GSU&UT 1799]

3 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

I would apologize if I knowingly brought my kids into that situation too.  Pretty shitty thing to bring your kids into, tbh. Right, wrong, or other, this situation on the border has been very well publicized Trumps entire tenure. 

Yep, they all deserved it. Go jump in a pool of liquid concrete.

[Brisketexan 106880]

7 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

I would apologize if I knowingly brought my kids into that situation too.  Pretty shitty thing to bring your kids into, tbh. Right, wrong, or other, this situation on the border has been very well publicized Trumps entire tenure. 

Yeah, I mean, what kind of idiot would jump from a building [insert photo of jumpers on 9/11]?

Imagine a situation so shitty that stepping into Trump's chamber of horrors STILL is the better choice.  And there you have it.  And notably, that does absofuckinglutely nothing to absolve people who purposefully created a chamber of horrors, intentionally harming children in order to serve as a warning.

Again, we have a stated and purposeful policy of hurting innocents as a political tool.  There are other entities that do that.  I mean, we call them terrorist organizations, but there you go.  Well done, America.

[fattyflattie 4640]

10 minutes ago, GSU&UT said:

Yep, they all deserved it. Go jump in a pool of liquid concrete.

Fuck you. I never said that, and the kids don’t deserve any of it. But the adult made a decision, and that decision put his kids at risk.  He should feel bad. Maybe you would drag your kids across Central America to get here, I wouldn’t. 

[Brisketexan 106880]

Just now, fattyflattie said:

Fuck you. I never said that, and the kids don’t deserve any of it. But the adult made a decision, and that decision put his kids at risk.  He should feel bad. Maybe you would drag your kids across Central America to get here, I wouldn’t. 

Then you are unfamiliar with what they are leaving.  You speak from an uninformed position.

[fattyflattie 4640]

8 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Yeah, I mean, what kind of idiot would jump from a building [insert photo of jumpers on 9/11]?

Imagine a situation so shitty that stepping into Trump's chamber of horrors STILL is the better choice.  And there you have it.  And notably, that does absofuckinglutely nothing to absolve people who purposefully created a chamber of horrors, intentionally harming children in order to serve as a warning.

Again, we have a stated and purposeful policy of hurting innocents as a political tool.  There are other entities that do that.  I mean, we call them terrorist organizations, but there you go.  Well done, America.

I’m not sure I agree with your analogy of people deciding to jump to their death rather than perish in fire to people who walked thru several countries and decided to stop at the best.  Several walked right thru countries that would improve their situation (Mexico > Guatemala) drastically but kept on going until they landed here.  Also, they decided to do it.  Folks who perished in 9/11 didn’t choose shit. So no, your analogy is hyperbolic bullshit. 

I dont disagree Trump is trying to fuck them for coming, I have eyes. 

[Captainant 28527]

4 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Fuck you. I never said that, and the kids don’t deserve any of it. But the adult made a decision, and that decision put his kids at risk.  He should feel bad. Maybe you would drag your kids across Central America to get here, I wouldn’t. 

You're right, I'm sure they all came from privileged neighborhoods that were safe and definitely not being terrorized by drug lords. Trump LOVES to talk about how dangerous it is south of the border, but it's also a safe place that people shouldn't seek asylum from? If you'd rather just take aways people's children punitively for seeking asylum you should just own it, or make your position more clear

[fattyflattie 4640]

6 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Then you are unfamiliar with what they are leaving.  You speak from an uninformed position.

I’m pretty sure I’ve lived in mexico longer than you.  So I feel decently informed on the situation they passed right up. 

Edited May 14, 2019 by fattyflattie

[Brisketexan 106880]

Just now, fattyflattie said:

I’m not sure I agree with your analogy of people deciding to jump to their death rather than perish in fire to people who walked thru several countries and decided to stop at the best.  Several walked right thru countries that would improve their situation (Mexico > Guatemala) drastically but kept on going until they landed here.  Also, they decided to do it.  Folks who perished in 9/11 didn’t choose shit. So no, your analogy is hyperbolic bullshit. 

I dont disagree Trump is trying to fuck them for coming, I have eyes. 

The people who live in a situation where they could be killed/raped/etc at a moment's notice didn't choose that either.  That's the whole freaking point.  And this isn't one or two people with bad judgment.  This is thousands, fleeing a nightmare.

A fucking SMARTER US policy would be aimed at taking significant action to stabilize their home countries so they didn't flee.  Instead, we're cutting off aid and trying to punish the weakest states in the hemisphere.  Bottom line, no policy decisions are motivated by "what would be most effective?"  They're solely motivated by "what's the fucking meanest thing we can do?"

 

[fattyflattie 4640]

Brisket, I’m not arguing your posts (other than your 9/11 analogy).  

But it’s a hard sell that Central Americans can’t stop along the way to better their situations. Like America is the only solution. Literally every country they pass thru to the north is a better situation.  

I’m sorry but I think it’s fucking stupid to drag your kids thru all this shit if 1) you know damn well trump is doing this, and it won’t stop anytime soon 2) you can drop your wife and kids in Mexico and bring them later.    If it’s me, i’m Not letting trump put my kid in a cage. The wife and kids can hang in Nuevo Laredo until I get across and see what’s happening. That’s just me though. 

[UpperWestside 6271]

15 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Fuck you. I never said that, and the kids don’t deserve any of it. But the adult made a decision, and that decision put his kids at risk.  He should feel bad. Maybe you would drag your kids across Central America to get here, I wouldn’t. 

Let's send you to Central America with your kids (I really hope you have not reproduced, but let's assume you have) and see how long it us before your ass is doing the exact same thing. You have complete and utter ignorance of just how horrific it is there. I worked with a guy from El Salvador who related a story to me about the farm his brother runs back there. He refused to make his monthly payment to the gang that controlled where he lived. He came to the farm the following day to find several field hands murdered because of his lack of payment.

When you deal with that as your fucking reality let the rest of us know. Until then shut the fuck up about anyone bringing their family here to escape the horrors they dealt with there.

[fattyflattie 4640]

Fuck you too, Upperwestside. Have you ever lived anywhere south of US? I have, so sorry about the situation of your “work friend”, but your anecdotal story is just that. Would you like to hear the stories from my peers that grew in the Ivory Coast, I have plenty? They hack you up with machetes there, too. 

Sorry to disappoint you, but I have reproduced. Several times. Which is how I KNOW I wouldn’t endanger my children 1 second past what was “needed”. Mexico is safe-ish, at least compared to the rest.  

The kid didn’t have to go in the cage, and never should have. Obama and Trump both seemed ok with it, if you need the reminder. Trump amped it up and doing it as a fuck you is the just the coup de grace, among being petty and shitty. You won’t get an argument from me on that.  

[retread 2951]

33 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

A fucking SMARTER US policy would be aimed at taking significant action to stabilize their home countries so they didn't flee.  Instead, we're cutting off aid and trying to punish the weakest states in the hemisphere.  Bottom line, no policy decisions are motivated by "what would be most effective?"  They're solely motivated by "what's the fucking meanest thing we can do?"

and if you're just gonna flush the C. American countries, then at least recognize that these people will be contributing citizens here in America. Many/most will be hard working and good citizens. A majority of them would return for their court hearings before, but now we lock them in cages. MAGA.

[UpperWestside 6271]

12 minutes ago, retread said:

and if you're just gonna flush the C. American countries, then at least recognize that these people will be contributing citizens here in America. Many/most will be hard working and good citizens. A majority of them would return for their court hearings before, but now we lock them in cages. MAGA.

They work harder than almost all Americans in my own experiences and we'd be lucky as a country to take in more of them. It's humorous that Dotard demonizes them while illegally employing them at his golf clubs and hotels. He has done it because they will work harder for less and do so because it benefits their kids to be here. They sacrifice everything to better the lives of their children. I can think of few things as honorable and noble as that. 

[WhatTheBuck 28928]

55 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

I’m pretty sure I’ve lived in mexico longer than you.  So I feel decently informed on the situation they passed right up. 

In El Salvador? I don't follow. 

[fattyflattie 4640]

1 minute ago, WhatTheBuck said:

In El Salvador? I don't follow. 

Not at all surprising. 

[fattyflattie 4640]

23 minutes ago, retread said:

Many/most will be hard working and good citizens

Some would, some won’t. Probably about like what we already have going with our US born citizens of every color, gender, and income level. 

Edited May 15, 2019 by fattyflattie

[Brisketexan 106880]

30 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Some would, some won’t. Probably about like what we already have going with our US born citizens of every color, gender, and income level. 

Actually, studies show that immigrants and their progeny end up doing better off than Dotard's dream voter -- white, "poorly educated," etc.

Tell you what.  Give me the next 100 Central Americans to cross the border.  I'll give you 100 "poorly educated" MAGA voters.  In a generation, which group (and their progeny) will be doing better?

[UpperWestside 6271]

2 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Actually, studies show that immigrants and their progeny end up doing better off than Dotard's dream voter -- white, "poorly educated," etc.

Tell you what.  Give me the next 100 Central Americans to cross the border.  I'll give you 100 "poorly educated" MAGA voters.  In a generation, which group (and their progeny) will be doing better?

He lived in Mexico so he knows that Central Americans are nothing when compared to the maga hat wearing assclowns we currently have to fill all these open cooking and dishwasher jobs as well as all those construction jobs. 

[fattyflattie 4640]

I'll have to fact check the progeny part of your statement.  I remember reading how the first US born generation usually are pretty much opposite of the folks who bring them here.  Lazy, very high gang affiliation, criminal etc.  But to be honest, I really don't care one way or the other.  Nothing posted after my comment has shit to do with what I originally commented on, in pure CR fashion.  

[fattyflattie 4640]

1 minute ago, UpperWestside said:

are nothing when compared to the maga hat wearing assclowns we currently have to fill all these open cooking and dishwasher jobs as well as all those construction jobs. 

Your post makes fuck all for sense, but I'll give it a go.  Yes, I've spent a decent little chunk of my adult life in Mexico (I was a yearly FM3 holder from '08-'15 or so).  I don't know fuck all about MAGA cooks or dishwasher jobs.    You'll enjoy this, another anecdotal story - my very first 15 minutes in Mexico, I was pulled into a room with 3 men, 2 of them wielding some type of sa rifle (was a bit terrified, so didn't pay too close attention).  My "company escort" was late to meet me and pay my "tax" so I was held there and shouted at in Spanish until he arrived and paid the "tax".  Valid FM3, valid passport, etc.  Funny I pushed that button probably 20 times over those years and always got RED (search luggage).  Bad luck I guess.   So I find it just a tiny bit comical when people discuss how we are the only nation that treats immigrants this way blah blah.  Try sneaking into Mexico illegally (or legally in this case) and see what happens.   

My point of the whole matter is, Mexico is plenty safe, IF,  safety is what the asylum seekers are hunting.  But it's not.  I'd wage financial factors well over safety concerns.  Venezuela/El Salvador/Nicaragua sucks, I get it.  You don't find it odd Mexico doesn't want them, and just shuffles them right up here?   Apparently there are studies indicating they are harder working and will be better off than Dotard voters.  Why wouldn't Mexico want all these hard working, well to do folks?

I live in Houston, so plenty experience with the hispanics of all types.  But please, New Yorker, tell us how the border is affecting the country.  You live what, 1900 miles away from any of this?  Really got a good feel on the situation, huh?  

[Captainant 28527]

20 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

I'll have to fact check the progeny part of your statement.  I remember reading how the first US born generation usually are pretty much opposite of the folks who bring them here.  Lazy, very high gang affiliation, criminal etc.  

So you're saying that immigrants only give birth to dangerous children? Easy there, Hitler

[fattyflattie 4640]

No. I'm saying there was study done on it that I read once (one, not many) but ALL immigrants showed that trend.  I think it actually was written to explain Asian gangs that were popping up iirc.  But Hitler, good one.

[Captainant 28527]

11 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

No. I'm saying there was study done on it that I read once (one, not many) but ALL immigrants showed that trend.  I think it actually was written to explain Asian gangs that were popping up iirc.  But Hitler, good one.

Well good on ya for posting your source here so you don't look like a complete racist who's talking out of their ass

Edited May 15, 2019 by Captainant

[fattyflattie 4640]

7 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Well good on ya for posting your source here so you don't look like a complete racist who's talking out of their ass

Let me get this straight. Poster A (Brisket) claims he’s read studies where 1st/2nd gen immigrant thrive (provides no source).   Poster B (me) claims he has read opposite  and would like to fact check the progeny specifically (no source). Poster B is racist and full of shit?

Christ almighty recent politics have some of you out of your fucking heads.  

[Captainant 28527]

You're not just expressing skepticism about brisket's argument, you're making the opposite argument. Which is why I'm calling you out.

And also anecdotally, you're calling many of my friends lazy criminals with gang affiliations for no reason but the fact that their parents weren't born here. So once again, that's pretty fucking racist. 

[David Dennison 19529]

37 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Let me get this straight. Poster A (Brisket) claims he’s read studies where 1st/2nd gen immigrant thrive (provides no source).   Poster B (me) claims he has read opposite  and would like to fact check the progeny specifically (no source). Poster B is racist and full of shit?

Christ almighty recent politics have some of you out of your fucking heads.  

Start here. 

https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/02/07/second-generation-americans/

[wildcat09 29579]

“It was in some completely legitimate study I read once, I swear.”

[fattyflattie 4640]

6 hours ago, David Dennison said:

Start here. 

https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/02/07/second-generation-americans/

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/10/15/crime-rises-among-second-generation-immigrants-as-they-assimilate/

Since you find pew research acceptable, here is another.  They basically start to suck as they become more American   

 

[4th&Five 41988]

El. Oh. El. 

 

[WhatTheBuck 28928]

12 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

Not at all surprising. 

Probably because you're full of shit. 

[fattyflattie 4640]

1 hour ago, 4th&Five said:

El. Oh. El. 

 

This may be the most cruel thing Trump has done wrt the border.

 “Fuck it I’ll go back home, I can’t deal with this incompetence” - asylum seekers probably 

[David Dennison 19529]

1 hour ago, fattyflattie said:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/10/15/crime-rises-among-second-generation-immigrants-as-they-assimilate/

Since you find pew research acceptable, here is another.  They basically start to suck as they become more American   

Murica. Fuck yeah.

[Captainant 28527]

3 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/10/15/crime-rises-among-second-generation-immigrants-as-they-assimilate/

Since you find pew research acceptable, here is another.  They basically start to suck as they become more American   

 

You are claiming that children of immigrants are "Lazy, very high gang affiliation, criminal etc", using that pew research article as the data to back your claim. Here's a handly little infographic from the article you're referencing that's at the top of the fucking page

So your claims that second generation immigrants "lazy, high gang affiliations, criminal, etc" would apply also to native-born citizens. Are you arguing that all americans are "lazy, high gang affiliations, criminal, etc", or just the brown ones?

[Foosters 18271]

16 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

Fuck you too, Upperwestside. Have you ever lived anywhere south of US? I have, so sorry about the situation of your “work friend”, but your anecdotal story is just that. Would you like to hear the stories from my peers that grew in the Ivory Coast, I have plenty? They hack you up with machetes there, too. 

Sorry to disappoint you, but I have reproduced. Several times. Which is how I KNOW I wouldn’t endanger my children 1 second past what was “needed”. Mexico is safe-ish, at least compared to the rest.  

The kid didn’t have to go in the cage, and never should have. Obama and Trump both seemed ok with it, if you need the reminder. Trump amped it up and doing it as a fuck you is the just the coup de grace, among being petty and shitty. You won’t get an argument from me on that.  

"How dare you attempt to argue with anecdotes. As you can clearly see from MY anecdotes...."

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

 

[fattyflattie 4640]

8 hours ago, Captainant said:

You are claiming that children of immigrants are "Lazy, very high gang affiliation, criminal etc", using that pew research article as the data to back your claim. Here's a handly little infographic from the article you're referencing that's at the top of the fucking page

So your claims that second generation immigrants "lazy, high gang affiliations, criminal, etc" would apply also to native-born citizens. Are you arguing that all americans are "lazy, high gang affiliations, criminal, etc", or just the brown ones?

No, native born Americans have our own issues to be sure. Especially with laziness and entitlement.   

You do understand the article I posted this AM was a quick google, not whatever article I read years ago, though, correct?  I’m pretty  sure the one I originally referenced was specific to gang/crime, and more specifically about Asians iirc.  I also never said I agreed with it, just that I remembered reading something about it, but I know you aren’t interested in that  

Either way, apparently Murcia will dumb you down and make you a criminal once you assimilate. 

[fattyflattie 4640]

8 hours ago, Foosters said:

"How dare you attempt to argue with anecdotes. As you can clearly see from MY anecdotes...."

Of course. Every one of us has anecdotal stories that shape how one feels about everything.  You have stories, I have stories. Are they worth basing policy on though? They certainly shape the way we interpret issues. 

[Message Board User 12405]

 

[HenryJames 67326]

 

[Patrick Bateman 3966]

Donny -- arbitrary?  Are you sure?

[Brisketexan 106880]

9 hours ago, HenryJames said:

 

Narrator: it's all the brown ones.

[hayden_horn 11402]

1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

Narrator: it's all the brown ones.

please remember the simple rule. narrator is always past tense.

 

[High Plains Drifter 11186]

Back in the early 80's, after my freshman year of college, I told my dad I was going to drop out and "Just get a job". My dad said, "not to worry, I'll get you a job. You can start the day after your last final."

He got me a job working for a friend of his who was a roofing contractor. This contractor paid me the same as he paid the illegal immigrants he picked up up downtown at the corner of 1st and San Antonio (somewhere around there- more or less where the current city administration buildings are): 10 bucks an hour under the table, he paid for lunch and a twelve pack after work. He also expected me to work as hard as they worked.

I lasted a summer, before my ass was back in school. I was 18 and shingling roofs in summer in Austin almost killed me. My Mexican co-workers did it without complaining, sending most of their money back home. They were ready to work, everyday, waiting for him to pull up in his truck. Three would jump in the back seat, the rest in the bed, grateful for the opportunity.

Give me a hundred or a thousand or a million of them over all the MAGA-ots in world.

 

 

[Brisketexan 106880]

Just now, hayden_horn said:

please remember the simple rule. narrator is always past tense.

 

Narrator: Hayden was pedantic.

[hayden_horn 11402]

1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

Narrator: Hayden was pedantic.

narrator: but he was still right in the end

[High Plains Drifter 11186]

9 hours ago, HenryJames said:

 

 

That fuck has never looked a migrant child in the eyes.