2018 NBA Offseason Thread -- News, Free Agency, Trades, Etc

[d2o 1602]

12 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

He qualifies for the 10+ year vet max, which is essentially the same money as the supermax. 35% of the cap I think.

That is correct.

[d2o 1602]

4 minutes ago, Orca of Peace said:

dutch's quote:

"If KD is content to earn a lot less, like currently $200 million less than he would have signing the supermax with OKC (and on track for $100m less at 25 a year), then they can keep the guys together for another 2 years"

but it's $244m vs. $113m (4 yrs).

Anyway, the graph explains much, thanks for that. 

So, he doesnt' really need OKC in his life and still get supermax money? Hey, there's not state tax in Texas! 

Its why the "lost" money that players "give up" is often exaggerated.

[Dutchrudder 11141]

3 hours ago, d2o said:

Its why the "lost" money that players "give up" is often exaggerated.

It's not exaggerated, it's just not well understood. That graph was trying to show the potential earnings of going for max money versus deliberately taking less money. It doesn't even factor in the 8% higher tax rate of the state of California, nor the 1.5% tax on citizens of San Francisco (though he may be avoiding this with a different residence).  I mean, that's 9.5% in more taxes to be paid on potentially 200+ million, which is a lot of money. 

It also doesn't take into account what one could do with more money up front, by investing those higher earnings a few years earlier than foregoing the income. It's a huge snowball effect on the individual's wealth, which likely won't be entirely replaced by the endorsements and potential business deals (which can also go south). It's just an extraordinary risk to take as a person, and a huge favor to the team's management, as they could be paying an enormous amount of luxury tax instead. 

[Ricky Butler 2729]

4 minutes ago, Dutchrudder said:

It's not exaggerated, it's just not well understood. That graph was trying to show the potential earnings of going for max money versus deliberately taking less money. It doesn't even factor in the 8% higher tax rate of the state of California, nor the 1.5% tax on citizens of San Francisco (though he may be avoiding this with a different residence).  I mean, that's 9.5% in more taxes to be paid on potentially 200+ million, which is a lot of money. 

It also doesn't take into account what one could do with more money up front, by investing those higher earnings a few years earlier than foregoing the income. It's a huge snowball effect on the individual's wealth, which likely won't be entirely replaced by the endorsements and potential business deals (which can also go south). It's just an extraordinary risk to take as a person, and a huge favor to the team's management, as they could be paying an enormous amount of luxury tax instead. 

I think Kevin realized you can't take it with you when you die and winning is fun.

[d2o 1602]

Just now, Dutchrudder said:

It's not exaggerated, it's just not well understood. That graph was trying to show the potential earnings of going for max money versus deliberately taking less money. It doesn't even factor in the 8% higher tax rate of the state of California, nor the 1.5% tax on citizens of San Francisco (though he may be avoiding this with a different residence).  I mean, that's 9.5% in more taxes to be paid on potentially 200+ million, which is a lot of money. 

It also doesn't take into account what one could do with more money up front, by investing those higher earnings a few years earlier than foregoing the income. It's a huge snowball effect on the individual's wealth, which likely won't be entirely replaced by the endorsements and potential business deals (which can also go south). It's just an extraordinary risk to take as a person, and a huge favor to the team's management, as they could be paying an enormous amount of luxury tax instead. 

I mean for instance last yr there was a mention that CP3 was leaving so many million on the table by not taking the taking the supermax deal from LAC.   HOU can offer him the same contract this yr summer.  

Often when they talk about other guys losing 30-40M by taking a 4 yr elsewhere vs a 5 yr deal with their home team it ignores the fact that they can sign another contract in that 5th yr elsewhere and make money.   So while they would not get the annually raises as large that is really the only money they are compromising and that difference is usually about 2M or less per yr.

[d2o 1602]

5 minutes ago, Ricky Butler said:

I think Kevin realized you can't take it with you when you die and winning is fun.

For the most part this is true.   Once you get to about 20-25M/yr its more important to be in a situation where you can win than to make more annually.

[Patrick Bateman 3917]

Reportedly Dwayne Casey is the favorite to land the job though.....

[Machinator 32099]

 

[Dutchrudder 11141]

Meh, a challenge flag would just give even more opportunity for the refs to fuck over the game. They have agendas, challenging it in replay won't make a difference. Probably just tilts the game in the home team's favor even further. 

[kopp0e 1135]

1 hour ago, Machinator said:

 

After watching game 1 of the NBA Finals with the game changing reversal of KD & LJ, I think I will pass on giving the refs even more authority on how to alter a game...

[d2o 1602]

11 hours ago, longhornmatt said:

I’m almost, or maybe even am already, to the point where I wish football didn’t have instant replay or challenges.  Basketball can usually do replay reviews more quickly, but they’re still annoying and sometimes can drag on forever, too.  

I don’t want more of that by introducing challenges.  Just keep the game moving. 

Agreed

[Dutchrudder 11141]

 

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Rumor: Chris Paul doesn’t plan on taking paycut for Rockets

Most believe that Chris Paul will re-sign with the Houston Rockets this offseason, but if people were hoping that he was going to give the Rockets a discount, that is probably not going to be the case.

Adrian Wojnarowski of ESPN was hosting his podcast the WojPod and one of the big talking points was Paul’s contract. Wojnarowski thinks if the Rockets want to sign Paul it’s going to take them offering a max contract.

“When the Rockets made that deal for Chris Paul, knowing they would re-sign him [once he hit free agency], they made a conscious decision that they were gonna have to live with [paying him] $46, $47 million a year salary when he’s not nearly the player anymore in his late 30s, but, ‘we’re gonna make a run at it now, we wanna win a championship now.

“We’ll deal with it [Paul’s contract] later.’ We’ll see how that plays out in their contract talks [with Paul] here in free agency. Chris Paul didn’t turn down $200 million from the Clippers because he thought that somehow the Rockets were gonna talk him into saving them luxury tax money. I don’t imagine it playing out that way.”

Like Wojnarowski said, the thing the Rockets are going to have to weigh is will Paul’s $47 million a year contract at 37 or 38 being worth it for a few years of a really good Paul now.

Or will the Rockets decide to move in a different direction and try to find someone that can not only help them win now but won’t be such a burden later in his career.

 

 

https://clutchpoints.com/rockets-rumors-chris-paul-doesnt-plan-on-taking-paycut/

[Ricky Butler 2729]

13 minutes ago, Dutchrudder said:

 

 

https://clutchpoints.com/rockets-rumors-chris-paul-doesnt-plan-on-taking-paycut/

July is going to be bonkers.

[Goo Punch 4275]

If losing Chris Paul makes it financially easier to nab LeBron then I don’t even give a shit about losing CP3 if I’m Houston. LeBron can come in and start at PG for me anyway. Bron, Harden, Capela, and some role players? Yes please.

[Ricky Butler 2729]

19 minutes ago, Goo Punch said:

If losing Chris Paul makes it financially easier to nab LeBron then I don’t even give a shit about losing CP3 if I’m Houston. LeBron can come in and start at PG for me anyway. Bron, Harden, Capela, and some role players? Yes please.

I think people believe that in order to get CP3 to opt in last year, the Rockets may have already made a "handshake" commitment to him.

Edited June 4, 2018 by Ricky Butler

[Orca of Peace 109]

41 minutes ago, Goo Punch said:

If losing Chris Paul makes it financially easier to nab LeBron then I don’t even give a shit about losing CP3 if I’m Houston. LeBron can come in and start at PG for me anyway. Bron, Harden, Capela, and some role players? Yes please.

i thoujght the draw to Houston for Bron was CP3 himself. If CP3 is gone, his buddy has been sacrificed so he might not be so happy to come.

[Goo Punch 4275]

10 minutes ago, Orca of Peace said:

i thoujght the draw to Houston for Bron was CP3 himself. If CP3 is gone, his buddy has been sacrificed so he might not be so happy to come.

As of now I don’t think Bron has many viable options. This is the exact same scenario KD was in. He’s paying for a team that is ostensibly close to being a title contender, but in reality it is not going to happen there. The only way he can actually improve upon his current situation is to join a team that truly is ready to compete. Unless/until some teams make some big roster moves to make room for King James, then I can’t imagine why he’d go anywhere besides Philly or Houston. He can do the “noble” thing, the thing so many shagsters would have done, and he can go join some shit team and ruin the rest of his career, all so that Vic Mackey doesn’t think he’s a bitch; but something tells me he isn’t going to do that.

Edited June 4, 2018 by Goo Punch

[Patrick Bateman 3917]

54 minutes ago, Goo Punch said:

If losing Chris Paul makes it financially easier to nab LeBron then I don’t even give a shit about losing CP3 if I’m Houston. LeBron can come in and start at PG for me anyway. Bron, Harden, Capela, and some role players? Yes please.

Lebron's not going to Houston unless CP3 is there.... They're best friends, that's the allure....

 

[Ricky Butler 2729]

5 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

Lebron's not going to Houston unless CP3 is there.... They're best friends, that's the allure....

 

This. Lebron could end up in Houston. CP3 will be in Houston either way.

[Goo Punch 4275]

6 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

Lebron's not going to Houston unless CP3 is there.... They're best friends, that's the allure....

 

I know they’re bff’s who’ve openly always wanted to play together, but I don’t see either or if them having a lot of leverage over the Rockets due to a lack of other viable options. If either of them wants to win a title between now and the end of his career then their options are limited. At the end of the day if CP3 holding out for more money means he can’t play with LeBron then that would just confirm his status as a great player who is a total twat.

[Patrick Bateman 3917]

10 minutes ago, Goo Punch said:

I know they’re bff’s who’ve openly always wanted to play together, but I don’t see either or if them having a lot of leverage over the Rockets due to a lack of other viable options. If either of them wants to win a title between now and the end of his career then their options are limited. At the end of the day if CP3 holding out for more money means he can’t play with LeBron then that would just confirm his status as a great player who is a total twat.

CP3 is president of the Union.  Lebron is VP.  They've both used their posts to bring about changes in the CBA to allow them to max out later in life and also been very active in encouraging all players to never take less than their optimal market and let the owners figure it out or pay luxury tax.  Would they go against their principles?  Maybe, but doubtful.  It's also extremely unlikely Lebron is going to Houston without CP3.  Lebron would want Houston to get rid of Capela before CP3 and Morey has already said that he's going to do everything he can to get Paul to stay..... They'll be paying it up.

Edited June 4, 2018 by Patrick Bateman

[Ricky Butler 2729]

12 minutes ago, Goo Punch said:

I know they’re bff’s who’ve openly always wanted to play together, but I don’t see either or if them having a lot of leverage over the Rockets due to a lack of other viable options. If either of them wants to win a title between now and the end of his career then their options are limited. At the end of the day if CP3 holding out for more money means he can’t play with LeBron then that would just confirm his status as a great player who is a total twat.

CP3 made concessions last year to help Morey pull off an impossible trade. They aren't going to fuck him over this offseason.

[Goo Punch 4275]

A Houston/Golden State and Philly/Boston Conference final slate for the next 5 years would be awesome.

Edited June 4, 2018 by Goo Punch

[Patrick Bateman 3917]

 

[Patrick Bateman 3917]

David Griffin on Lebron....

http://amicohoops.net/former-cavs-gm-griffin-76ers-will-have-leg-up-in-pursuit-of-lebron/

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“I don’t know what boxes he would be checking. I think staying in the East probably gives him the best chance to win a championship if he was going to leave Cleveland,” Griffin told Gelb during an excellent interview. “Maybe staying in Cleveland gives him the best chance to get there, I don’t know. If I knew what boxes he was going to check, I’d have a better feel for it.”

Then, Gelb, who said during the interview he lives in Philadelphia but does his show from New York, asked Griffin about the 76ers’ chances of courting and landing James.

“I do think it is significant, though, that Rich Paul is the representative for Ben Simmons as well,” Griffin said. “So he’s going to know the organization very well, and I think that will certainly give them a leg up, because I know Brett Brown is somebody that you’re going to look at when you’re LeBron, and you’re going to look at Pop, you’re going to look at the coach in LA … all the teams he’s went to, coaching is going to matter.

“And I think because Ben has intimate knowledge of Coach Brown, that will probably help.”

 

[Dutchrudder 11141]

Griffin to Philly just makes too much sense. That dude would do so well there with all their assets and cap space. He might even be able to bring in Lebron, which would be huuuuuuuuuge. Guy has a great resume, dealt with the biggest personality in sports for years, and doesn't have any twitter scandals in his past. He's a slam dunk hire in place of those Colangelo regards. 

Edited June 4, 2018 by Dutchrudder

[Machinator 32099]

Woj and Morey were on ESPN's "NBA Draft: On the Clock" special, and dropped a lot of interesting things. I'll repost the stuff I see from Twitter. https://twitter.com/BlazersBySagar

The Sixers have interviewed Bryan Colangelo and his wife separately for multiple hours. Thinks the Sixers have to make a decision in the next 24 hours.

Brett Brown's ability to recruit free agents will help the Sixers soften the blow of the Colangelo scandal in meetings with potential free agent signings. Players respect Brown and that word gets around.

Six months ago, DeMarcus Cousins was a max contract candidate and now New Orleans is looking to bring him back on a short-term deal to evaluate post-Achilles injury performance.

Dallas will have interest in signing Cousins, but what they do on draft night on June 21 will factor into how the Mavericks view Cousins come July 1.

Don't discount the potential for sign-and-trade opportunities for Cousins.

If Anthony Davis is in New Orleans, he wants DeMarcus Cousins there with him.

Oklahoma City has done a good job of marketing the team to Paul George. He liked playing with Russell Westbrook, Steven Adams, and Billy Donovan.

Houston will be aggressive in trying to acquire Paul George.

LeBron James and Paul George will have a conversation about teaming up together in Los Angeles closer to July.

Toronto wants to get their coaching search wrapped up in the next week or so.

Nobody on Toronto is untouchable in a trade, and the league knows that.

Chicago will be sneaky in free agency. They have a young core people want to play with.

Indiana may start to have contract extension talks with Nate McMillan this summer.

The Spurs want to continue building around Kawhi Leonard. Gregg Popovich will sit down with Leonard sometime between now and the draft on June 21 to determine if the relationship can be repaired.

[Machinator 32099]

 

[WJC88 97]

21 minutes ago, Machinator said:

Woj and Morey were on ESPN's "NBA Draft: On the Clock" special, and dropped a lot of interesting things. I'll repost the stuff I see from Twitter. https://twitter.com/BlazersBySagar

Thank you.

[MNLonghornFUKM 8817]

10 hours ago, Machinator said:

 

Is there some sort of weird fantasy about Paul George being the key to any teams chances at beating GS? LeBron/PG on the Lakers, they still  would need a 3rd superstar better than PG to beat them with their current roster make up..

 

 

[dingleberryswitzer 2724]

1 hour ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

Is there some sort of weird fantasy about Paul George being the key to any teams chances at beating GS? LeBron/PG on the Lakers, they still  would need a 3rd superstar better than PG to beat them with their current roster make up..

 

 

They  have lonzo, duh.  

[dingleberryswitzer 2724]

Most of LeBron and cp3s troubles can be traced back to this

http://www.businessinsider.com/nba-free-agency-effect-nbpa-rejecting-cap-smoothing-2017-7

[Patrick Bateman 3917]

 

[Ricky Butler 2729]

8 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

 

I think we are heading towards a Space Jam scenario.

[TommyGufano 6021]

6 hours ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

Is there some sort of weird fantasy about Paul George being the key to any teams chances at beating GS? LeBron/PG on the Lakers, they still  would need a 3rd superstar better than PG to beat them with their current roster make up..

 

 

Ingram def isn't there yet, but he has the look of a guy who could be pretty fucking good. And he's the kind of guy who can switch everything on defense that you need against GS

[immortal13 4059]

1 hour ago, Ricky Butler said:

I think we are heading towards a Space Jam scenario.

The Warriors don't need Lebron. Stephen A. does need ratings, though.

[Machinator 32099]

He'll opt out and re-sign. Due to Early Bird rules, he probably won't do a 1+1 this time around.

Edited June 7, 2018 by Machinator

[Goo Punch 4275]

 

[WJC88 97]

15 minutes ago, Goo Punch said:

 

I don't think most people could find the words to express themselves properly if he joined the Warriors.

Meanwhile i would be lmao. It's just entertainment.

[Goo Punch 4275]

I’d imagine that would involve Klay being sent packing, but yes, that would be a total shit show. 

[Machinator 32099]

Honestly, it would be so absurd that I would be thoroughly entertained, even more than I am now.

[Orca of Peace 109]

it would be 1992 USA vs. Angola every night. 

[Ricky Butler 2729]

10 hours ago, Goo Punch said:

I’d imagine that would involve Klay being sent packing, but yes, that would be a total shit show. 

Ironically, Klay is probably the perfect compliment to Lebron.

[Hornin04 261]

Sorry to spoil it for you but I just got back from the future and LeBron stays put in CLE, Paul George joins him, and they deal away K Love and some of the youngsters for better pieces.  And draft Bamba.  

[Ricky Butler 2729]

3 minutes ago, Horny04 said:

Sorry to spoil it for you but I just got back from the future and LeBron stays put in CLE, Paul George joins him, and they deal away K Love and some of the youngsters for better pieces.  And draft Bamba.  

 

 

[Orca of Peace 109]

1 hour ago, Ricky Butler said:

Ironically, Klay is probably the perfect compliment to Lebron.

Klay " Bron, you are the best of all time, a great dresser, articulate and a good father" 

[Patrick Bateman 3917]

People are gonna kill Ariza if he does this!!!!  Joining the team that beat you?!?!

 

[Patrick Bateman 3917]

Interesting..... I'm thinking probably some idle speculation for click bait, but he is going to opt out after next year.  Be an impediment to trading him too unless he's willing to sign an extension.

 

[aggie08 21505]

The Ringer brought this up today: if LeBron wants to be a Celtic, he'd probably only need to ask. Just has to tell them to trade Kyrie for him (in a 3-teamer, obviously, since there's no way that Cleveland would want Kyrie back for a lame duck year; so maybe bring in New York or San Antonio). Easy path to the Finals, can immediately compete with Golden State (and probably looks better on paper), set up to win big for the rest of his career, can still dominate the ball with complimentary young stars around him, can save his energy on defense, AND gets to fuck over Kyrie.

jt would be very displeased.

[dingleberryswitzer 2724]

That would be hilarious.