2018 NBA Offseason Thread -- News, Free Agency, Trades, Etc

[gsoda3 3,263]

yeah 2012 dallas with the same roster wasn't going to repeat....

[aggie08 21,505]

3 hours ago, gsoda3 said:

yeah 2012 dallas with the same roster wasn't going to repeat....

That's most likely true. That team epitomized unrepeatable, catching lighting in a bottle success.

...but there has to be a middle ground between overpaying anyone and everyone after a championship, and having a yard sale--wasting the rest of Dirk's prime--holding out hope for free agents years away.

To not even make a reasonable attempt at staying in contention and being in the mix is criminal.

[conVINCEd 21,469]

On 9/9/2018 at 1:50 AM, gsoda3 said:

possibly the best euro of all time....???

 

also it's worth remembering jkidd's second stint with dallas, he was not a bad shooter at all.  he was one of the nba's better shooters in terms of 3P% and 3PM, especially in the playoffs.

Give Luka a little time.

[Vic Mackey 47,081]

yeah 2012 dallas with the same roster wasn't going to repeat....

Not bringing back Tyson was fucking stupid.

[Dutchrudder 11,141]

32 minutes ago, Vic Mackey said:

On 9/9/2018 at 2:22 PM, gsoda3 said:

yeah 2012 dallas with the same roster wasn't going to repeat....

Not bringing back Tyson was fucking stupid.

But they almost got Dwight Howard!!!

[kopp0e 1,135]

Don't call it a comeback, he been out for years..!

 

[kopp0e 1,135]

Raptors making moves:

 

[Michael Knight 12,988]

On 9/7/2018 at 5:03 PM, immortal13 said:

The 50/40/90 factor puts Nash over Kidd in my book. That is an exclusive club that Kidd never sniffed. 

Nash not being as big of a bitch wins for me

[immortal13 4,059]

Just now, Michael Knight said:

Nash not being as big of a bitch wins for me

Difference maker I agree

[Michael Knight 12,988]

On 9/9/2018 at 8:38 AM, MNLonghornFUKM said:

Well I have it between Dirk and Nikolov Tskitshivilli

He's not your vidas, he's arvydas

[kopp0e 1,135]

New York could be making a move:

 

[Trey3216 15,347]

On 8/22/2018 at 2:40 PM, d2o said:

yep, he is the best non-dunking finisher the game has ever seen IMO.    He makes ridiculous shots look effortless.

Iverson may want to have a word with you about that (even though he still dunked fairly often) 

[Goo Punch 4,275]

or Larry Bird, Pete Maravich, Chris Mullin, and a few others.

[immortal13 4,059]

Isiah Thomas

[Patrick Bateman 3,917]

For the next offseason....... Clip Joint!

 

[Kermit 3,156]

I hope he ends up on the Clippers. It’s what he deserves.

[Hate 20,112]

And he deserves to have the Clippers’ curse applied to him directly.

[Brothahorn 10,087]

possibly the best euro of all time....???
 
also it's worth remembering jkidd's second stint with dallas, he was not a bad shooter at all.  he was one of the nba's better shooters in terms of 3P% and 3PM, especially in the playoffs.

Possibly?

What Euro has been better?

I did think he would be too soft in the beginning, but he made a believer out of me. Hell, he's one of the best PFs to play period. Even with his bad defense.

[Patrick Bateman 3,917]

This could be a small story with a huge impact...... He's always been a very good defensive mind.  Hope he's okay.... sort of seems like maybe he's fighting some sort of illness

 

Edited September 17, 2018 by Patrick Bateman

[Patrick Bateman 3,917]

Wade confirms he'll have one last tour with the Heat and then hang em' up.....

 

[gsoda3 3,263]

12 hours ago, Brothahorn said:

 

 

Possibly?

What Euro has been better?

I did think he would be too soft in the beginning, but he made a believer out of me. Hell, he's one of the best PFs to play period. Even with his bad defense.

yeah those were my questions.

[d2o 1,602]

On 9/14/2018 at 3:54 PM, Trey3216 said:

Iverson may want to have a word with you about that (even though he still dunked fairly often) 

yeah, AI was never the finisher that Kyrie is and I love AI

[aggie08 21,505]

In terms of aesthetics and degree of difficulty, Kyrie has no equal...

 

...but there are plenty of guys who, by the numbers, are as effective or moreso at finishing below the rim.

 

Now, whether that's because Kyrie attempts lay-ups that other guys wouldn't even dream of--thus bumping down his %'s (like Steph with his 3's)---is probably a reasonable debate.

[Patrick Bateman 3,917]

28 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

In terms of aesthetics and degree of difficulty, Kyrie has no equal...

 

...but there are plenty of guys who, by the numbers, are as effective or moreso at finishing below the rim.

 

Now, whether that's because Kyrie attempts lay-ups that other guys wouldn't even dream of--thus bumping down his %'s (like Steph with his 3's)---is probably a reasonable debate.

Kobe Bryant effect..... Kobe Bryant was a great "tough jump shot" maker.... this is mainly considered a truth because he attempted so many "tough jump shots", a ton of them needlessly.

 

[Brothahorn 10,087]

This could be a small story with a huge impact...... He's always been a very good defensive mind.  Hope he's okay.... sort of seems like maybe he's fighting some sort of illness
 

JELLO already destroying team chemistry.

[aggie08 21,505]

Everyone's favorite time of the year: SI and ESPN (among other publications) releasing their yearly click-bait Top 100 lists!

ESPN is drawing theirs out all week, but SI already posted the entire list:

1. LBJ

2. KD

3. Steph

4. Harden

5. AD

6. Freak

7. Russ

8. CP3

9. Embiid

10. Butler

11. Playoff P

12. Kawhi

13. Draymond

15. Dame

17. Kyrie

22. Klay

And the injured stars:

24. Wall

25. Hayward

68. Boogie

 

unranked: Melo

 

https://www.si.com/nba/2018/09/10/top-100-nba-players-2019-lebron-james-stephen-curry-dirk-nowitzki

Edited September 18, 2018 by aggie08

[Goo Punch 4,275]

i can't put Harden ahead of AD when AD is an elite two way player. and Paul George ahead of Kawhi? Whaa?

Edited September 18, 2018 by Goo Punch

[conVINCEd 21,469]

27 minutes ago, Goo Punch said:

i can't put Harden ahead of AD when AD is an elite two way player. and Paul George ahead of Kawhi? Whaa?

I think Kawhi has created some questions about himself that didn't exist at this time last year.

[Goo Punch 4,275]

i agree, but the last tile he played he was a consensus top 5 player and MVP candidate. PG13 is not on Kawhi's level.

[UTDD 362]

Interesting list but the injury issue with Kawhi made a difference...

 

Here is another list of Top 15 that was composed by a group of people internally that do a lot of analytics so there is likely some bias towards specific metrics that are relevant to their own work...

1. LBJ        Sports Illustrated (1) 

2. Durant                                   (2)

3. Curry                                     (3)

4. AD                                         (5)

5. Kawhi                                   (12)

6. Harden                                (4)

7. Giannis                                (6)

8. Westbrook                          (7)

9. Paul                                     (8)

10. Embiid                              (9)

11. Jokic                                (not in top 15)

12. Butler                               (10)

13. Gobert                             (14)

14. Green                              (13)

15. Oladipo                          (not in top 15)

 

[Goo Punch 4,275]

^^^^ looks a whole lot like my own list which i've already posted here a few times. 

[Goo Punch 4,275]

also, the shaggy fantasy basketball league has a couple of open spots if anyone wants to join. we've been doing it for a while now, it's a really funny league, $50 buy in, which is chump change for our surly elite. just head on over to the thread and let us know if you want to join.

[BigOrange1 6,442]

8 hours ago, Goo Punch said:

also, the shaggy fantasy basketball league has a couple of open spots if anyone wants to join. we've been doing it for a while now, it's a really funny league, $75 buy in, which is chump change for our surly elite. just head on over to the thread and let us know if you want to join.

fixed that.

[Radical Larry 28,641]

[Patrick Bateman 3,917]

I saw this coming with Butler several months ago.... Wish the Spurs would have been more patient.  I wonder who the 3 teams are?  I'm going to guess Knicks, LA, and something squirrely like Dallas. 

Of course it's going to be Golden State..... lol.

 

Edited September 19, 2018 by Patrick Bateman

[Post Oak 20,244]

Recommend the Lowe Post Pod yesterday with Jackie McMullan and Raf Bartholomew.  They were discussing their new book- Basketball A Love Story.  Great stories in the interview.  I'm reading that book next.  

[MNLonghornFUKM 8,817]

I saw this coming with Butler several months ago.... Wish the Spurs would have been more patient.  I wonder who the 3 teams are?  I'm going to guess Knicks, LA, and something squirrely like Dallas. 
Of course it's going to be Golden State..... lol.
 

Him and kyrie have some sort of love relationship so Boston would probably be one of the teams

[BigOrange1 6,442]

houston native, bring him home morey!

[Patrick Bateman 3,917]

Just now, BigOrange1 said:

houston native, bring him home morey!

With what?  Thibs is pretty dumb so he may want gritty vets like Gordon but doubtful.....

 

[BigOrange1 6,442]

oh i know it's impossible.

[aggie08 21,505]

Butler's tweet on Monday may have been the funniest moment of the NBA offseason. Essentially:

"Never trust the media. Don't believe what you hear. I don't know where they're getting this information. It's all made up bullshit...

...the meeting where I express my discontent in the franchise is actually tomorrow not today, so you were way off."

Edited September 19, 2018 by aggie08

[Message Board User 12,395]

Butler’s gonna fetch less than Kawhi and Kyrie did.

How many of you fools thought the Bulls got fleeced in the Jimmy Butler trade wanna admit that now?

[aggie08 21,505]

26 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

Of course it's going to be Golden State..... lol.

No chance in hell they'd trade Klay for him, even if, in a vacuum, Butler is the better player.

They wouldn't trade Draymond for him either; though, it is fun to picture MNLonghorn's aneurism if they did.

Edited September 19, 2018 by aggie08

[Machinator 32,099]

Remember a few years ago when people were saying Minnesota looked to have one of the brightest futures in the NBA?

[Dutchrudder 11,141]

Minnesota's Jimmy Butler has three preferred destinations for a trade, league sources tell ESPN: The Brooklyn Nets, Los Angeles Clippers and New York Knicks. Those three teams have max cap space to sign Butler as a free agent in July.

-Woj

Edited September 19, 2018 by Dutchrudder

[Patrick Bateman 3,917]

5 minutes ago, Machinator said:

Remember a few years ago when people were saying Minnesota looked to have one of the brightest futures in the NBA?

Well..... really only MinnesotaHorn was saying that.  LOL.  Sort of Bizarre..... those teams are still pretty far away unless the Clippers can get Kawhi next summer too.  Looks like a money grab without much thought to future.

 

[MNLonghornFUKM 8,817]

No chance in hell they'd trade Klay for him, even if, in a vacuum, Butler is the better player.
They wouldn't trade Draymond for him either; though, it is fun to picture MNLonghorn's aneurism if they did.

Green next to towns? Yea sure
Green being the focal point next to Nikola vucevic? No thanks

[aggie08 21,505]

4 minutes ago, Machinator said:

Remember a few years ago when people were saying Minnesota looked to have one of the brightest futures in the NBA?

And KAT was the player that the majority of GMs would choose to build a franchise around--over LeBron, KD, and AD--only a couple of years ago.

The NBA moves quick.

[MNLonghornFUKM 8,817]

Minnesota's Jimmy Butler has three preferred destinations for a trade, league sources tell ESPN: The Brooklyn Nets, Los Angeles Clippers and New York Knicks. Those three teams have max cap space to sign Butler as a free agent in July.
-Woj

Nets or Knicks? So KI is going there next year

Clippers? Leonard will be going there next yr.

[MNLonghornFUKM 8,817]

And KAT was the player that the majority of GMs would choose to build a franchise around--over LeBron, KD, and AD--only a couple of years ago.
The NBA moves quick.

Kats only 22 and has put up some ridiculous numbers. But hes proving to be mentally fragile. But his offensive skillset is elite status