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UDontKnow
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Same way he got his HIV.

Vic Mackey
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Good lord you can stop this act now. The last 2 seasons, you try and downlplay this superteam you decided to root for. At every turn, you break down this team like they are so flawed and vulnerable. T

Orca of Peace
Orca of Peace

that Klay barrage against OKC changed the shape of the NBA for years. If OKC wins that series, plays CLE and wins the NBA finals, KD stays IMO. Maybe Lebron wins a couple more titles and stays in Clev

MNLonghornFUKM

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22 minutes ago, longhornmatt said:

 

And good luck scoring anywhere if you are Orlando.  Don't forget about Jonathan Isaac and Aaron Gordon in the frontcourt to complement the bangers with skill level!

Summer League is an abomination, btw.  I've watched some today and it's like watching an AAU game.  If I were in an NBA front office, I would hold my top prospects out of it unless there's some league rule that says they have to participate.

Scary. Gordon was a beast in the 2016 slam dunk competition. glad they rewarded him with 25 mill per

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Dutchrudder

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10 hours ago, Vic Mackey said:

I don't think Love fits well with Lebron. He was turned into a spot up shooter and that isn't who he was in Minnesota. He was delegated to a useless player in Cleveland. Not a bad player but he made minimal impact. When he was missing, they actually seemed to play better. And you didn't even notice he was missing.

 

You say that, but you have remember GM Lebron made trading for Love a part of his re-signing with Cleveland deal. He knew who Love was, and was running the team on the floor and from the bench. There's no question that is exactly what Lebron wants next to him, because he wants to be the focus of the offense. He wants spot up shooters with no ball skills to be around him so he can dictate everything. I don't think Love was that kind of player in Minny, but he was kind of forced to become that as time in Cleveland went on. 

Now with Magic presumably running the show, we will see that offense change, as there's no way they have Ball and Rondo out there spotting up around Lebron. I assume Luke Walton, being a disciple of Kerr, will not run that kind of offense, and will have real practices working on plays and set pieces. A real working offense coming from a coach could be exactly what Lebron needs. Let him worry about following orders rather than trying to be the field general, and simply flow with the coach's philosophy. That would be a great way for him to finish out his career, or it could result in another Blatt-like situation. We shall see. 

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10 hours ago, Radical Larry said:

I think Vucevic will eventually be moved. He's on an expiring contract. 

yeah I have figured he would be dealt for a while now.   He has outlived his usefulness here.

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10 hours ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

Scary. Gordon was a beast in the 2016 slam dunk competition. glad they rewarded him with 25 mill per

 

10 hours ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

Man...vucevic..bamba and now Mozgov?!? Good luck scoring in the paint vs Orlando!!!

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I guess the hope was that a max player would take a 10-15 million a year discount like KD did for GS. CP3 wouldn't do that, so we're fucked on getting to the Finals without that extra capspace GS has to work with. WCF might be jeopardy with the lack of capable SFs on the Rockets, now that Lebron is in the conference and KD is kind of important to guard.

If Morey still has a rabbit to pull out of his ass, he better do it soon, cause this offseason has been a step back, and we still haven't dealt with Capela's RFA. 

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Can't believe more teams weren't trying to land Randle. I guess you never know what goes on behind closed doors, but if the rockets are willing to let Capela and Ariza walk, they should have been prepared to move on a big that can score on non lob plays.

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31 minutes ago, BigOrange1 said:

trading anderson and a couple of first round picks to atlanta for bazemore is pretty much the only move i see left outside of signing melo and bargain shopping for guys like ellington/hood/etc.

Melo is a total cancer, not the fake kind

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Houston fans may want to avert their eyes from the reality of Melo's trends on the court...what is seen cannot be unseen.

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Maybe because he's not really that good and doesn't fit in today's pace and space NBA and only put up decent stats b/c he was on a bad team?

We will see. I don't think he's a guy you build a team around but i love him as a third scorer and athletic big. 

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3 hours ago, Dutchrudder said:

I guess the hope was that a max player would take a 10-15 million a year discount like KD did for GS. CP3 wouldn't do that, so we're fucked on getting to the Finals without that extra capspace GS has to work with. WCF might be jeopardy with the lack of capable SFs on the Rockets, now that Lebron is in the conference and KD is kind of important to guard.

If Morey still has a rabbit to pull out of his ass, he better do it soon, cause this offseason has been a step back, and we still haven't dealt with Capela's RFA. 

Golden State doesn't have more cap space. Both teams have no cap space. Golden State used their MLE on Cousins, who is likely not going to play for 2/3 of the season. The Rockets have yet to use their MLE.

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4 hours ago, Llogg said:

We will see. I don't think he's a guy you build a team around but i love him as a third scorer and athletic big. 

yep.  i love the davis, randle, mirotic rotation of bigs in new orleans.  they're one of the teams i'm most excited to watch next season.

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11 minutes ago, BigOrange1 said:

yep.  i love the davis, randle, mirotic rotation of bigs in new orleans.  they're one of the teams i'm most excited to watch next season.

They need an Andre Iguodola leading the second unit and an elite wing defender to be scary.

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it makes a little bit of sense in that they have the cap room and more likely than not, won't have their pick next year (and they have even more cap space next year).  i would have been more excited about lavine if i were them because they need someone who can score, but i can at least see their POV where they need to get someone this summer.

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Golden State doesn't have more cap space. Both teams have no cap space. Golden State used their MLE on Cousins, who is likely not going to play for 2/3 of the season. The Rockets have yet to use their MLE.
I know how it works dude, but KD should have taken a Max deal in year two after joining GS and would be making 40m+ this season instead of 30m. It's absolutely extra space to work with on their end, cause no other max player is willing to do that.

KD is saving his team a fucking boatload of money in luxury taxes, which is how they have so many stars. Even GS wouldnt spend 100m in taxes to keep that team together, but he's subverting the system by willing to make tens of millions less over these 3 years with them. It's really unprecedented to see it at this level. Even lebron, Bosh and Wade only took 3m less a piece to fit under the cap their first year, but had full 7.5% escalations each year after. KD has taken a bigger paycut each year than those 3 combined.
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6 hours ago, Dutchrudder said:

I know how it works dude, but KD should have taken a Max deal in year two after joining GS and would be making 40m+ this season instead of 30m. It's absolutely extra space to work with on their end, cause no other max player is willing to do that.

KD is saving his team a fucking boatload of money in luxury taxes, which is how they have so many stars. Even GS wouldnt spend 100m in taxes to keep that team together, but he's subverting the system by willing to make tens of millions less over these 3 years with them. It's really unprecedented to see it at this level. Even lebron, Bosh and Wade only took 3m less a piece to fit under the cap their first year, but had full 7.5% escalations each year after. KD has taken a bigger paycut each year than those 3 combined.

He took about 5 million less this year, iirc.  He took about 9.5 million less last year.  Next year, if he wants to stay, he'll have Bird rights, but you're correct, at this point, it's about luxury tax savings.  They pay about 3x every dollar spent right now in tax.  Boogie's deal, which at the taxpayer MLE of 5.3, actually ends up being more than 20 million overall (salary + tax).  Now Boogie's deal was an salary cap exception, so regardless of what KD did, the Warriors could have signed Boogie, it's all about how much tax they want to pay.  Frankly, when it comes to guys like Lacob and Guber, who cares.  I wouldn't care how much tax those dudes have to pay because they're going to make so much appreciation when they sell, it's more than offset. They do pay a lot now and if they want to keep the band together, they'll have to pay unprecedented amounts in the future.

 

 

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I know how it works dude, but KD should have taken a Max deal in year two after joining GS and would be making 40m+ this season instead of 30m. It's absolutely extra space to work with on their end, cause no other max player is willing to do that.

KD is saving his team a fucking boatload of money in luxury taxes, which is how they have so many stars. Even GS wouldnt spend 100m in taxes to keep that team together, but he's subverting the system by willing to make tens of millions less over these 3 years with them. It's really unprecedented to see it at this level. Even lebron, Bosh and Wade only took 3m less a piece to fit under the cap their first year, but had full 7.5% escalations each year after. KD has taken a bigger paycut each year than those 3 combined.
All money ain't good money... KD's value as a repeat champion is going to be much more than $10mm.

Eventually, he'll take a super max. No need now... and he'll probably make more away from basketball than in it.
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Are the rockets seriously going to bail the thunder out????

It cannot be understated how much melo doesn't care to be a part of a team.  I understand that the rockets will get him cheap and can waive him if he isn't playing nice.  However, the players love melo and have always defended him.  Not a chance in hell the rockets waive melo.  They don't want to piss of CP3.  Even if melo is going to ruin the season melo is going to be on that roster.

Taking melo, regardless of hope that he can change, should be a fire-able offense for any GM.  Even pop.

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31 minutes ago, Jhawk said:

Are the rockets seriously going to bail the thunder out????

It cannot be understated how much melo doesn't care to be a part of a team.  I understand that the rockets will get him cheap and can waive him if he isn't playing nice.  However, the players love melo and have always defended him.  Not a chance in hell the rockets waive melo.  They don't want to piss of CP3.  Even if melo is going to ruin the season melo is going to be on that roster.

Taking melo, regardless of hope that he can change, should be a fire-able offense for any GM.  Even pop.

I wouldn't call it a bail out. Melo has a 1 year 28m deal, and any move to get him would include Ryan Anderson's 2 years/41m deal. We are in the tax, so numbers need to be very close. Not sure who would go with Anderson to make it work, but we'll see. May be a third team involved, so if OKC can find someone to take on Anderson's deal, they can save 90m in luxury tax over the next few years. That's clearly worth a few picks to them, so we might be able to make it happen. 

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