ERCOT Urging For Energy Conservation

[B00M 6414]

wtf? Who uses excess energy from 6-10am? FUCK YOU ERCOT

[MonkeyDoughnut 10229]

3 minutes ago, B00M said:

wtf? Who uses excess energy from 6-10am? FUCK YOU ERCOT

[Biff Tannen 45665]

16 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

 

TXANS Update—Jan. 14, 2024: ERCOT has issued a Conservation Appeal for Monday, Jan. 15, from 6 – 10 a.m. CT. Operating reserves are expected to be low tomorrow morning due to continued freezing temperatures, record-breaking demand, and unseasonably low wind. We request Texas businesses and residents conserve electricity use, if safe to do so. At this time, if you are experiencing an outage, it is local in nature and not related to grid reliability. Please contact your local electric provider for more info: http://bit.ly/48JZfC2. Read news release: http://bit.ly/48zuaBa

[InkaUtexas 25862]

9 minutes ago, B00M said:

wtf? Who uses excess energy from 6-10am? FUCK YOU ERCOT

ever driven through a big city or past a big box development at those times?

[deft 6837]

Well I’m not shutting down my mW crypto mine unless they cut me another check for $30M.

[freyguy 4264]

Screw this, I'm turning on the A/C

[UTexasFight 9429]

32 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

 

TXANS Update—Jan. 14, 2024: ERCOT has issued a Conservation Appeal for Monday, Jan. 15, from 6 – 10 a.m. CT. Operating reserves are expected to be low tomorrow morning due to continued freezing temperatures, record-breaking demand, and unseasonably low wind. We request Texas businesses and residents conserve electricity use, if safe to do so. At this time, if you are experiencing an outage, it is local in nature and not related to grid reliability. Please contact your local electric provider for more info: http://bit.ly/48JZfC2. Read news release: http://bit.ly/48zuaBa

I like the “at this time” any outages are local/not the grid.

 

come 8am? 

 

[drt 638]

Looks like Signs up in this bitch with random containers of water on n our countertop. My wife is pregnant and I haven’t run out of alcohol, so not fighting that battle yet. 

[B00M 6414]

48 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

ever driven through a big city or past a big box development at those times?

Ok? So I need to make sure all the LEDs around my house are turned off? The fuck man

[atomheartbevo 89628]

 

[Biff Tannen 45665]

We are so god damn dumb.  Just fucking unbelievable.  It's 2024.  This is a joke.  

[Welshy 907]

You suck, Abbot.

[Welshy 907]

 

Edited January 15 by Welshy

[crash_davis 23100]

We've had 2 previous storms to perfect our response. Nope. 3rd storm in 4 years and we're still doing to hope and pray execution. When the shit crashes tomorrow, prices will get to $5000/MWh so assholes can make extra money.

[immamac 42835]

I don’t even understand this. Is 6-10AM hot water heater time or something? What cranks up at that time I guess breakfast cooking with an electric stove? 

[deft 6837]

We've had 2 previous storms to perfect our response. Nope. 3rd storm in 4 years and we're still doing to hope and pray execution. When the shit crashes tomorrow, prices will get to $5000/MWh so assholes can make extra money.

So….exactly like it was designed to do. Cool cool.

[Telegraph_it 3357]

6 minutes ago, immamac said:

I don’t even understand this. Is 6-10AM hot water heater time or something? What cranks up at that time I guess breakfast cooking with an electric stove? 

I have my electric kettle on a timer. 

[Fudge Nuggets 19189]

10 minutes ago, immamac said:

What cranks up at that time

Society.

[InkaUtexas 25862]

Just now, Fudge Nuggets said:

Society.

Judging from it, could take some time off.

Anyways, it is a holiday, so no reason to wake up kids early.

[atomheartbevo 89628]

12 minutes ago, immamac said:

I don’t even understand this. Is 6-10AM hot water heater time or something? What cranks up at that time I guess breakfast cooking with an electric stove? 

People waking up and turning up the heat, government, businesses and schools opening up and cranking up their heat, lighting, etc.

However, it’s MLK day, so a lot of people will be sleeping in and most school districts and universities/colleges and government buildings are closed or operating at a reduced level, so not sure what their angle is.

Edited January 15 by atomheartbevo

[crash_davis 23100]

It's a holiday. There won't be many offices open. Schools out. That is the least impacting time to have an "emergency" and make their 2024 annual bonus KPI met by the middle of January.

[tx 3 putt 76870]

52 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

 

[B00M 6414]

We need you to not drink coffee or eat breakfast so businesses can use massive amounts of energy to warm and illuminate empty buildings.

Also, eat a dick.
Love, ERCOT.

[crash_davis 23100]

8AM on Tuesday looks to be a sure outage.

https://www.ercot.com/gridmktinfo/dashboards/supplyanddemand

[tx 3 putt 76870]

1 minute ago, crash_davis said:

8AM on Tuesday looks to be a sure outage.

https://www.ercot.com/gridmktinfo/dashboards/supplyanddemand

awesome, i have a career / life changing teams meeting for 8 am tuesday 

[Biff Tannen 45665]

32 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

Society.

[Biff Tannen 45665]

13 minutes ago, B00M said:

We need you to not drink coffee or eat breakfast so businesses can use massive amounts of energy to warm and illuminate empty buildings.

Also, eat a dick.
Love, ERCOT.

This.  I just posted it on the other thread too, but my office is closed and I guarantee the HVAC and most lights will be on all day tomorrow.  16 floors worth.

[YGIFS 19449]

No CR, their words...not mine.  Conservation Appeal.  Think about the root words and how fucking insane this is.  People at home, on a federal holiday between 6 and 10am.  In the most energy abundant state in human history.  

Just let it simmer.  But don't let it simmer because your stove has no power.  You fucking child.  

[BrickHorn 18216]

37 minutes ago, B00M said:

We need you to not drink coffee or eat breakfast so businesses can use massive amounts of energy to warm and illuminate empty buildings some dickheads can run a never-ending massively parallel number-guessing game on hundreds of computers, hoping for a chance to win a magic internet bean.

Also, eat a dick.
Love, ERCOT.

Fify

[Liquor and Poker 3659]

Regardless of political views, this is what you get when one group has absolutely no fear of being voted out.  No reason for them to do anything remotely difficult. 

[boknowstecmo 216]

1 hour ago, crash_davis said:

8AM on Tuesday looks to be a sure outage.

https://www.ercot.com/gridmktinfo/dashboards/supplyanddemand

Fucking cool. Great. I'm on an essential grid, so fucking whatever.

[atomheartbevo 89628]

10 minutes ago, boknowstecmo said:

Fucking cool. Great. I'm on an essential grid, so fucking whatever.

I told myself that until last year.  I'm sure our power came back quicker than many, but we've still lost power and lost water over the past few years.

And they are telling people to lower their thermostats, but a lot of people are thinking "oh great, we're gonna lose power, I might as well bump the heat up and get the house as warm as possible in case we do".

Edited January 15 by atomheartbevo

[Catpfish 618]

As usual, power is now out. Saying back on by midnight but they really don't know because they don't know why it's out. Of course, in 2022, we lost power 13 times for at least 30 minutes in a 6 month span. We are less than 10 minutes from 130 east of Pflugerville, so not in the sticks. Hence the $20K generator installed. Feel bad for the neighbors. Will be calling them to let them know the door is open.

[Surly Bevo 24908]

Yea early Tuesday morning looks the diciest for the grid  That is when supposed to still be 10-15 in DFW and 15-20 in Austin/San Antonio but Houston is supposed to check in with 20-25 (whereas right now they are still in lowish 30s north side and up as you move toward the coast).

Plus a more planned full day (don't forget the 2021 grid failure happened as we were rolling into President's Day)

Edited January 15 by Surly Bevo

[Biff Tannen 45665]

Wunderground has temps actually warming into the 20s overnight and freezing rain window doesn’t start til about 3am now instead of midnight and only going til 6am. Who the fuck knows though. 

[atomheartbevo 89628]

19 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Wunderground has temps actually warming into the 20s overnight and freezing rain window doesn’t start til about 3am now instead of midnight and only going til 6am. Who the fuck knows though. 

Weather.com has the Austin area being below freezing through Tuesday 2pm....and then dropping back down to below freezing at 6pm until sometime Wednesday morning, but they have Wednesday and on being warmer than originally forecast (Wednesday pushing 50, not freezing overnight, Thursday hitting 71), with another freeze Friday night with 25.

 

[boknowstecmo 216]

56 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

I told myself that until last year.  I'm sure our power came back quicker than many, but we've still lost power and lost water over the past few years.

And they are telling people to lower their thermostats, but a lot of people are thinking "oh great, we're gonna lose power, I might as well bump the heat up and get the house as warm as possible in case we do".

Man, I absolutely understand. And also I get frustrated as hell by all the ercot bullshit. I'm not cranking up the heat tonight, but I'm also not turning the heat off. I'm just treating tonight as any other night, AC wise.

[Catpfish 618]

Power back. I'm not sure some of the neighbors even noticed. Hope they get back to sleep after the late night phone call.

[MonkeyDoughnut 10229]

12 hours ago, immamac said:

I don’t even understand this. Is 6-10AM hot water heater time or something? What cranks up at that time I guess breakfast cooking with an electric stove? 

Roughly 60% of Texas homes and businesses have electric heating systems.

[Armybrat 40822]

12 hours ago, immamac said:

I don’t even understand this. Is 6-10AM hot water heater time or something? What cranks up at that time I guess breakfast cooking with an electric stove? 

Recharging the vibrators after the previous evening’s activities.

[TexArcher 37767]

5 minutes ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

Roughly 60% of Texas homes and businesses have electric heating systems.

And they've been running nonstop during the coldest part of the night, so that by 6 am the system is strained.

[Liquor and Poker 3659]

10 minutes ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

Roughly 60% of Texas homes and businesses have electric heating systems.

I have lived in apartments with electric heat, and we have electric heat down at the bay because there are no underground lines out in the nowhere.  But how do businesses have electric heat?  Strip centers?

[gmr548 16576]

14 hours ago, B00M said:

wtf? Who uses excess energy from 6-10am? FUCK YOU ERCOT

Not defending the wider grid situation but morning is a peak energy use time in the winter. Coldest part of the day, more energy used in heating.

[gmr548 16576]

13 hours ago, immamac said:

I don’t even understand this. Is 6-10AM hot water heater time or something? What cranks up at that time I guess breakfast cooking with an electric stove? 

Beyond HVAC and water heating, anything like a coffee maker, toaster, space heater, etc uses a ton of energy. At a fundamental level, generating heat is very energy intensive, though modern heat pumps are getting really good (we as a state refuse to incentivize these).

Edited January 15 by gmr548

[MonkeyDoughnut 10229]

20 minutes ago, TexArcher said:

And they've been running nonstop during the coldest part of the night, so that by 6 am the system is strained.

A lot of people run their air/heat on a schdule so that it runs less when they are sleeping and under blankets etc.

Add in water heaters for showers, stoves, microwaves for breakfast, offices turning on heat/lights etc, then business starting and machinery equipment etc starts getting turned on, it just adds up, just not households.

12 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

Beyond HVAC and water heating, anything like a coffee maker, toaster, space heater, etc uses a ton of energy. At a fundamental level, generating heat is very energy intensive, though modern heat pumps are getting really good (we as a state refuse to incentivize these).

Big ones in morning. It's why you can easily blow out a circuit trying to run more than one on it.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13509]

12 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

This.  I just posted it on the other thread too, but my office is closed and I guarantee the HVAC and most lights will be on all day tomorrow.  16 floors worth.

I recall during the '21 freeze, downtown Houston's grid didn't lose power and the downtown buildings shined bright all night so the rest of the dark city could see it.  Sometimes there just isn't common sense.

[TexArcher 37767]

11 minutes ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

A lot of people run their air/heat on a schdule so that it runs less when they are sleeping and under blankets etc.

Add in water heaters for showers, stoves, microwaves for breakfast, offices turning on heat/lights etc, then business starting and machinery equipment etc starts getting turned on, it just adds up, just not households.

Sure, some people drop the temp in their home at night.  But even if it's an average of 5 degrees per household, when it's 10 to 20 degrees colder outside, all of those systems are working considerably harder all night.

I'm pretty sure that a bunch of people taking 10-minute showers and microwaving a breakfast burrito for 2 minutes isn't taxing the grid nearly as much as several hundred thousand heaters working that much harder for several hours straight.  It's a combined effect, sure, but the morning routine stuff seems like just the cherry on top.

[The Ace of Aces 5175]

36 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

Beyond HVAC and water heating, anything like a coffee maker, toaster, space heater, etc uses a ton of energy. At a fundamental level, generating heat is very energy intensive, though modern heat pumps are getting really good (we as a state refuse to incentivize these).

Wait really?! What the actual fuck.  That’s idiotic. Texas is an ideal location for heat pumps, they are energy efficient and very good at heating when it’s above 20 or so. 
 
The stupidity, it hurts my head. 

[TexArcher 37767]

2 minutes ago, The Ace of Aces said:

Wait really?! What the actual fuck.  That’s idiotic. Texas is an ideal location for heat pumps, they are energy efficient and very good at heating when it’s above 20 or so. 
 
The stupidity, it hurts my head. 

Okay, but if our elected officials focused on that, who would ban literature and whitewash history books to protect our youths?

[MonkeyDoughnut 10229]

1 minute ago, TexArcher said:

Sure, some people drop the temp in their home at night.  But even if it's an average of 5 degrees per household, when it's 10 to 20 degrees colder outside, all of those systems are working considerably harder all night.

I'm pretty sure that a bunch of people taking 10-minute showers and microwaving a breakfast burrito for 2 minutes isn't taxing the grid nearly as much as several hundred thousand heaters working that much harder for several hours straight.  It's a combined effect, sure, but the morning routine stuff seems like just the cherry on top.

As much, no, but water heaters account for roughly 18% of home electricity use, so it's not an insignificant amount. Like adding another 35% of homes turning on heating systems that weren't previously on in TX (assuming a/c/heat roughly 50%)