ERCOT Urging For Energy Conservation

[Captainant 28454]

4 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

Wind went to a low of like 700 MWs this past hour. That's basically no wind. Without the wind, with this heat, it is super fucking tight. Tomorrow and Friday are cooler in Houston and even Austin, and that's a good thing, because the wind is projected to be absolute shit those days as well. Things pick up from the wind perspective next week and as long as that is blowing, even with temps in the high 90's in Houston and what they are now elsewhere, we don't have the issue we faced Monday and right now.

 

1 minute ago, closetojumping said:

I know you guys on both ends have to politicize stuff, but the reality is that the wind isn't blowing and there are some unplanned outages because things have been running so hot for so long. It's all legitimate and, frankly, silly to view as a political thing. The grid needs the FF resources and will continue to for our lifetimes, and the renewables are also great too, but they're not a replacement for FF any time soon. Need it all to work together. Heading towards 90 days of overwhelming above average heat will predictably knock some of the FF gen offline. 

The wind is low, but it's usually (and predictably) low midday. The bigger problem is the >13000 MWs of coal (baseline) and NG (flexible) power that's offline too. It's not a political thing to be pissed off that our state has a shitty and undermaintained power grid. You're not hearing what I'm saying my man.

We do need renewables and FF to work hand in hand - FF ain't holding up its end of the bargain right now in terms of thermal power generation. Why is there so much generation capacity offline if it's so profitable to generate power right now? It shouldn't be a fucking surprise that there's maintenance required and that it may be hot during the summer.

[Hermanator 7587]

3 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

I know you guys on both ends have to politicize stuff, but the reality is that the wind isn't blowing and there are some unplanned outages because things have been running so hot for so long. It's all legitimate and, frankly, silly to view as a political thing. The grid needs the FF resources and will continue to for our lifetimes, and the renewables are also great too, but they're not a replacement for FF any time soon. Need it all to work together. Heading towards 90 days of overwhelming above average heat will predictably knock some of the FF gen offline. 

[YChang 3536]

37 minutes ago, Trey3216 said:

Things aren't exactly fine though... I get you're having some fun at crash's expense and all but doesn't this concern you at all?

[markstanco 12781]

6 hours ago, CleverNickname said:

Just read Mesquite might increase min house size from 1500 to 2000.

I heard similar as well, but didnt know there was already 1500 in place!  Thats absurd. 

[Nivek 17384]

Fuck Houston. My wife stayed there one night this week and her Tahoe got stolen. 

Houston is great. I got this Tahoe for free….

[52-80 19377]

2 hours ago, crash_davis said:

Nope, lead a Data and Analytics team managing a bunch of overachieving Data Scientists PHDs who love to do everything. 

Translation: I double check that PowerBI service is accessible and the nerds get the colors right on their excel charts

[Trey3216 15451]

4 minutes ago, YChang said:

Things aren't exactly fine though... I get you're having some fun at crash's expense and all but doesn't this concern you at all?

Absolutely having fun at his expense.   Of course I have concerns, and I think there are ways to alleviate those concerns.  What some of our elected officials preach as the only way to make it happen is absolutely bone-headed thinking.  It's adding to the problem, not solving it.  

[52-80 19377]

16 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

The grid needs the FF resources and will continue to for our lifetimes, and the renewables are also great too, but they're not a replacement for FF any time soon.

All Energy Sources Matter. 
 

(not facetious…why do people make it into a religious or competitive thing?
a joule is a joule)

[Bozo_Casanova 26795]

21 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

It's all legitimate and, frankly, silly to view as a political thing.

The back and forth about FF and renewables is silly because we need both. But the state of our grid and this moment ARE a political thing, and the fault lies squarely with the donor service of a generation of elected officials and their voters, who would rather sit in the dark and complain about Brandon than hold anybody accountable for failure.  Half the people bitching on this thread will vote for the people who did this until the day they die.  And we can say "no cloakroom," but the fact is we got here through politics and will not get out until a decade after the voters get less predictable and the politics change.

Edited July 13, 2022 by Bozo_Casanova

[Nivek 17384]

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[utee94 16076]

SIAP, a Texas power outage tracker from the Houston Chronicle.

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/projects/2021/houston-texas-power-outage-tracker/

 

[Bozo_Casanova 26795]

24 minutes ago, Captainant said:

It shouldn't be a fucking surprise that there's maintenance required and that it may be hot during the summer.

Yeah but they didn't want to do it, and the people who could make them don't feel like they work for you, and anyway they were busy stopping all 15 trans kids from playing sports. Hopefully that can be refreshment enough for you.  

Edited July 13, 2022 by Bozo_Casanova

[Nivek 17384]

The back and forth about FF and renewables is silly because we need both. But the state of our grid and this moment ARE a political thing, and the fault lies squarely with the donor service of a generation of elected officials and their voters, who would rather sit in the dark and complain about Brandon than hold anybody accountable for failure.  Half the people bitching on this thread will vote for the people who did this until the day they die.  And we can say "no cloakroom," but the fact is we got here through politics and will not get out until a decade after the voters get less predictable and the politics change.

Piss poor planning produces piss poor performance.

Competency is lacking within the state government and utilities use.

Incompetence is apolitical.

[closetojumping 65336]

11 minutes ago, Captainant said:

 

The wind is low, but it's usually (and predictably) low midday. The bigger problem is the >13000 MWs of coal (baseline) and NG (flexible) power that's offline too. It's not a political thing to be pissed off that our state has a shitty and undermaintained power grid. You're not hearing what I'm saying my man.

We do need renewables and FF to work hand in hand - FF ain't holding up its end of the bargain right now in terms of thermal power generation. Why is there so much generation capacity offline if it's so profitable to generate power right now? It shouldn't be a fucking surprise that there's maintenance required and that it may be hot during the summer.

I am not sure how interested I am in this right now because I know how you guys get around here when things are remotely presented as grey for hot button topics and, for this subject, I don't have the passion.

I'll simply say that nothing can be redlined forever. They postponed maintenance season because early March was so cold. Then they had to rush bringing stuff back online in late April and early May because of the crazy heat wave. In doing so, they had a fire and massive outage at an NRG plant in Sugarland that threw things further out of whack. They've never had a chance to have a normal period this year to work on some things. Then some shit broke and needs to be fixed. 

I realize that you guys need to be angry and blame somebody, so have at it. Sometimes shit breaks and sometimes the weather doesn't cooperate, though. 

As to the wind, the maxim that it doesn't blow during the middle of the day is fine, but we're talking about degrees of materiality here. Next week, with similar heat forecasts across the state, the wind from Tuesday through Friday is "normal" and at 4-6 times the volume of today/tomorrow/Friday. 

https://www.windguru.cz/85 - Use Abilene as a proxy if it isn't defaulting to that. This week is very abnormal.

 

11 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

What I typed is correct. If that doesn't work with your ideologies, that is your problem and has nothing to do with the facts involved. I guess if you're sitting on some new tech that you're about to launch into the world that has both "always-on" capability and is renewable, congrats and get it out there.

If you're thinking that battery tech is about to be the answer for the "always-on" issue for renewables, you're as ignorant and kooky as the guys preaching about electric vehicles and solar power in the 80's. You'll be right eventually, sure. I'm all for it, but it isn't close right now. 

And by the way, I'd love it if we had all the answers we needed right now. I'm proud of how much of the state's gen is renewable. I'm rooting for more of it. I'm not an O&G guy and don't give one shit, really, where the power is coming from, I'd just like it to be there and not printing at $4500/mwh like it is right at this moment.

[Hermanator 7587]

We know the wind doesn't blow as much with increased heat. That wasn't factored in. 

We've had millions moving into the state over the last 15 years and advancements in technology leading to a much bigger demand that an idiot could have seen coming. That wasn't addressed. 

They ironically set up an old Solviet style socialist system with one single entity controlling everything that incentivizes production companies to keep production low to increase their profit margin... AND there's zero regulation to ensure they won't do that. 

This is 100 percent a fault of the state politicians. They're too busy focusing on propaganda to keep getting re-elected and filling their pockets with kick backs to concern themselves with actually governing. 

So don't come in here and blow smoke  up our asses trying to say this isn't a political issue 

[Trey3216 15451]

11 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

The back and forth about FF and renewables is silly because we need both. But the state of our grid and this moment ARE a political thing, and the fault lies squarely with the donor service of a generation of elected officials and their voters, who would rather sit in the dark and complain about Brandon than hold anybody accountable for failure.  Half the people bitching on this thread will vote for the people who did this until the day they die.  And we can say "no cloakroom," but the fact is we got here through politics and will not get out until a decade after the voters get less predictable and the politics change.

And some folks, like you for instance, might say that indicating to FF corps that their services will no longer be supported or necessary in the very near future has contributed absolutely nothing to this problem, when it very much has.  We're in a world of shit because we have the fucking Grand Canyon sitting in between 'teams' and the Colorado River is the voice of reason.  

Not to mention we've grown our population in this state by 30% in the last 10 years or so.  

[closetojumping 65336]

3 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Yeah but they didn't want to do it, and the people who could make them don't feel like they work for you, and anyway they were busy stopping all 15 trans kids from playing sports. Hopefully that can be refreshment enough for you.  

You guys are conflating weatherizing for winter with maintenance season. The gens are happy to go down for maintenance season, which is March-May usually. Normally, there isn't money to be made there anyway. I explained why it didn't happen so well this year. It wasn't craven capitalism. I'm not a proponent of big anything, whether that is business or government or religion, so I'm not defending the gens here. Just, factually, maintenance season isn't some profiteering moment. The punishment for not getting maintenance season to the gens is not being up right now when pricing is off the charts.

Regarding weatherizing for winter and the bullshit for why they don't and how they skip it, I agree. The NG delivery guys, with Abbott in their pocket, got the bullshit legislation to exclude them for a $250 fee saying they're not part of the "emergency infrastructure" last session. The gens have been required to get their shit together on it though. If there's another Feb 2021 type of event, one part of the equation has been allegedly addressed. The other hasn't. 

[Bozo_Casanova 26795]

4 minutes ago, Trey3216 said:

And some folks, like you for instance, might say that indicating to FF corps that their services will no longer be supported or necessary in the very near future has contributed absolutely nothing to this problem, when it very much has.  We're in a world of shit because we have the fucking Grand Canyon sitting in between 'teams' and the Colorado River is the voice of reason.  

And why would I say that? Strawman much? 

[Bozo_Casanova 26795]

3 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

You guys are conflating weatherizing for winter with maintenance season. The gens are happy to go down for maintenance season, which is March-May usually. Normally, there isn't money to be made there anyway. I explained why it didn't happen so well this year. It wasn't craven capitalism. I'm not a proponent of big anything, whether that is business or government or religion, so I'm not defending the gens here. Just, factually, maintenance season isn't some profiteering moment. The punishment for not getting maintenance season to the gens is not being up right now when pricing is off the charts.

Regarding weatherizing for winter and the bullshit for why they don't and how they skip it, I agree. The NG delivery guys, with Abbott in their pocket, got the bullshit legislation to exclude them for a $250 fee saying they're not part of the "emergency infrastructure" last session. The gens have been required to get their shit together on it though. If there's another Feb 2021 type of event, one part of the equation has been allegedly addressed. The other hasn't. 

Mostly agree, but to be clear, I'm not conflating it. I'm saying it's a planning failure because it is. We should have more wiggle room than that, or be connected to the outside world. 

[Nivek 17384]

What I typed is correct. If that doesn't work with your ideologies, that is your problem and has nothing to do with the facts involved. I guess if you're sitting on some new tech that you're about to launch into the world that has both "always-on" capability and is renewable, congrats and get it out there.
If you're thinking that battery tech is about to be the answer for the "always-on" issue for renewables, you're as ignorant and kooky as the guys preaching about electric vehicles and solar power in the 80's. You'll be right eventually, sure. I'm all for it, but it isn't close right now. 
And by the way, I'd love it if we had all the answers we needed right now. I'm proud of how much of the state's gen is renewable. I'm rooting for more of it. I'm not an O&G guy and don't give one shit, really, where the power is coming from, I'd just like it to be there and not printing at $4500/mwh like it is right at this moment.

I think the idea is that we have known there were issues for some time. After the idiot light (oil light for you non car folks) pops on, it’s too late. There are ways to prevent/mitigate this.

[closetojumping 65336]

4 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

We know the wind doesn't blow as much with increased heat. That wasn't factored in. 

We've had millions moving into the state over the last 15 years and advancements in technology leading to a much bigger demand that an idiot could have seen coming. That wasn't addressed. 

They ironically set up an old Solviet style socialist system with one single entity controlling everything that incentivizes production companies to keep production low to increase their profit margin... AND there's zero regulation to ensure they won't do that. 

This is 100 percent a fault of the state politicians. They're too busy focusing on propaganda to keep getting re-elected and filling their pockets with kick backs to concern themselves with actually governing. 

So don't come in here and blow smoke  up our asses trying to say this isn't a political issue 

Ha. I'm not blowing smoke up anyone's ass. 

It is a pure fucking beating to even attempt to discuss a current event on this site because a fuckton of you guys are so ardently left or right and need to politicize it all. I was just trying to address why there is a load issue right now and what's transpired this first half of 2022 to get us here. 

[BrickHorn 18430]

The point is that deregulation of utilities increases the risk of shit breaking during or capacity being inadequate for extreme situations. And the amount of regulation to apply to utilities is most certainly a partisan issue. 

The market incentivizes just enough investment to be maximally profitable in expected conditions. It does not incentivize investing for unexpected contingencies. So if electric generation and distribution is purely unregulated, you will have a grid that is not capable of providing electricity when it is needed most: to keep people warm when temperatures are dangerously low and keep people cool when they are dangerously hot. 

Whether Texans would ever implement regulations to prevent such circumstances is an open question. I’m sure there are regulations on these issues, but they’re obviously inadequate for the modern climate reality. But it’s at least possible that regulations could result in a more robust grid, whereas the chances that the invisible hand guides market competitors to spend money on excess capacity and wider temperature tolerances is vanishingly small. Such investments would put providers at a competitive disadvantage for most of the year and yield very little advantage during emergencies. 

 

 

[bolverk 30279]

Situation looks slightly better.

https://www.ercot.com/gridmktinfo/dashboards/supplyanddemand

 

Wind must've picked up a bit over the last couple of hours.

https://www.ercot.com/gridmktinfo/dashboards/combinedwindandsolar

 

But, of course, we're paying out the wazoo right now.

https://www.ercot.com/gridmktinfo/dashboards/systemwideprices

[BrickHorn 18430]

2 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Situation looks slightly better.

I turned our thermostat up to 79. You’re welcome.

[bolverk 30279]

Just now, BrickHorn said:

I turned our thermostat up to 79. You’re welcome.

I turned off the lights and the air purifier in my office. 

[SizzleChest 8310]

2 minutes ago, bolverk said:

I turned off the lights and the air purifier in my office. 

I built a ramp and drove my car into the attic.  Ventilation, baby!

[Guest]

14 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Wind must've picked up a bit over the last couple of hours.

8mph in the Panhandle.  Sweetwater at 8mph too.

Mousefarts ain't helpin y'all, but the sun is out like a motherfucker.

[kevwun 16395]

It takes very little wind to spin the turbines.  There are a bunch next to our deer lease and they are turning like crazy on days where there's only a breath of wind.

Edited July 13, 2022 by kevwun

[dittohead 95]

That 11:00 kick vs. Bama is going to be awesome this year!

[InkaUtexas 26842]

1 minute ago, dittohead said:

That 11:00 kick vs. Bama is going to be awesome this year!

Yep, need to pray for a hurricane a few days before. 

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, kevwun said:

It takes very little wind to spin the turbines.  There are a bunch next to our deer lease and they are turning like crazy on days where there's only a breath of wind.

The point is that 8mph ain't jack shit for us. First half of this year was crazy with wind.

Actually wishing it would kick up a bit, with rain for us and spinning turbines for y'all down south.

[DaysOff 8158]

Maybe we should have a capacity market like people were screaming for post snowpocalypse. Or maybe connect to the rest of the Union, but SOCIALISM.

[kevwun 16395]

2 minutes ago, slorch said:

The point is that 8mph ain't jack shit for us. First half of this year was crazy with wind.

Actually wishing it would kick up a bit, with rain for us and spinning turbines for y'all down south.

No, not for the panhandle but 8mph is probably enough to ease the strain.

[atomheartbevo 90594]

1 hour ago, closetojumping said:

 It's all legitimate and, frankly, silly to view as a political thing. The grid needs the FF resources and will continue to for our lifetimes, and the renewables are also great too, but they're not a replacement for FF any time soon. Need it all to work together. Heading towards 90 days of overwhelming above average heat will predictably knock some of the FF gen offline. 

It should not be political, but unfortunately it’s legal for politicians to take contributions from the energy companies, and that leads to….problems with blame being placed by authorities where it shouldn’t be (see Snowpocalypse 2021), encouraging behavior that is not in the state’s short-term best interests, etc.

Ideally we’d have somebody laying out some short-term and long-term energy policies that are focused on what’s best for the state and not a smaller group of businesses/folks, such as not encouraging certain businesses or just large numbers of businesses or people in general to move here until we’ve done some upgrades on the grid, etc. because we have around 4-5 million more people than we did in 2011, and nearly 10 million more than 2000.  These “once in a lifetime” events seem to be happening more and more often, and I’ve been through several “once in a lifetime events” and I’m still south of 50.

And I would toss water into that mix.  For example, Austin has well over 200,000 more people than we did in 2011.  We cannot go through another 2011 and run into what California, Arizona, and Nevada are dealing with right now. HEB only has so many 18 wheelers to bring us bottled water.

I could be wrong, and maybe we’ve built out the grid and water infrastructure to handle the 4-5 million people who have moved here over the last 10 years, and if so, ignore this, but if not, we cannot be building this shit as we go, because that fucks over Texans and even makes life dangerous for a lot of people.  

Edited July 13, 2022 by atomheartbevo

[Bozo_Casanova 26795]

45 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

Ha. I'm not blowing smoke up anyone's ass. 

It is a pure fucking beating to even attempt to discuss a current event on this site because a fuckton of you guys are so ardently left or right and need to politicize it all. I was just trying to address why there is a load issue right now and what's transpired this first half of 2022 to get us here. 

Dude. I hear you, but the idea that you can disentangle the politics from an issue that is entirely the product of bad policy seems like pure folly.  And I agree that it's not at all a "left-right" thing because virtually nothing actually is. But that doesn't mean it isn't political or that the solution isn't political, because they both are. 

Edited July 13, 2022 by Bozo_Casanova

[BrickHorn 18430]

2 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

I could be wrong, and maybe we’ve built out the grid and water infrastructure to handle the 4-5 million people who have moved here over the last 10 years

I was told crypto is doing that, somehow.

[Bozo_Casanova 26795]

7 minutes ago, DaysOff said:

Maybe we should have a capacity market like people were screaming for post snowpocalypse. Or maybe connect to the rest of the Union, but SOCIALISM.

Yeah but have you heard about that one boy who swims against girls?!

[atomheartbevo 90594]

And nothing against Houston, but more outages down there could tie up a lot of cops, which is not a bad thing.  There’s a gal I’m banging on the side, and we hooked up in Houston this week, and she had this shitty Tahoe that her husband had picked out for her, and she wanted something else…..let’s just saying that making a Tahoe disappear so that she could claim it was stolen and get the insurance money and buy something that’s not a Tahoe is harder than it seems.  We ended up basically giving it away to somebody who promised to “make it disappear”.  Motherfucker got a free Tahoe and promised to put paper plates on it and get it out of the Houston area and it’s in his best interest to do that, but still.

[Captainant 28454]

55 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

Ha. I'm not blowing smoke up anyone's ass. 

It is a pure fucking beating to even attempt to discuss a current event on this site because a fuckton of you guys are so ardently left or right and need to politicize it all. I was just trying to address why there is a load issue right now and what's transpired this first half of 2022 to get us here. 

The reasons that our state isn't connected to any other state are purely political: to avoid federal oversight and regulation.

If we were connected to the rest of the US's grid via interconnects it would help to better utilize our excess renewables rather than burning it on bitcoin farms, and would give our state a lifeline from our neighbors so we don't freeze or cook to death in our homes during increasingly severe weather events. 

There's no good operational reason to keep our state disconnected and losing out of the benefits of economies of continental scale, except to create a nice little walled garden market for your donors. 

[1978horn 904]

And nothing against Houston, but more outages down there could tie up a lot of cops, which is not a bad thing.  There’s a gal I’m banging on the side, and we hooked up in Houston this week, and she had this shitty Tahoe that her husband had picked out for her, and she wanted something else…..let’s just saying that making a Tahoe disappear so that she could claim it was stolen and get the insurance money and buy something that’s not a Tahoe is harder than it seems.  We ended up basically giving it away to somebody who promised to “make it disappear”.  Motherfucker got a free Tahoe and promised to put paper plates on it and get it out of the Houston area and it’s in his best interest to do that, but still.

So you just admitted to being an accessory to insurance fraud?

[bolverk 30279]

45 minutes ago, slorch said:

8mph in the Panhandle.  Sweetwater at 8mph too.

Mousefarts ain't helpin y'all, but the sun is out like a motherfucker.

Do you see that solid blue line? That's electricity generation from wind so far today. Do you happen to notice it went from almost nothing to over 5k? Unless they had the turbines all locked down for maintenance or whatever, the wind must've picked up and made a material impact on the production of electricity across this state.

Updated chart below:

In fact, so much so, the previous projections for the supply/demand lines "crossing the streams" are no longer true, and we're looking good for the rest of this evening. Those 8 mph "mousefarts" just saved our asses.

 

 

 

[Js1 87090]

24 minutes ago, 1978horn said:

So you just admitted to being an accessory to insurance fraud?

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Do you see that solid blue line? That's electricity generation from wind so far today. Do you happen to notice it went from almost nothing to over 5k? Unless they had the turbines all locked down for maintenance or whatever, the wind must've picked up and made a material impact on the production of electricity across this state.

Updated chart below:

 

Yeah.  I seent it.  Wind at pecos was 27MPH.  must have kicked up a little in the Trans-Pecos.  Up here, it's relatively calm.

Look at the projection into midnight, which is typically calm too.  That tells you how absolutely doldrums-like it was through mid-day.

[Hpara759 1791]

1 hour ago, kevwun said:

It takes very little wind to spin the turbines.  There are a bunch next to our deer lease and they are turning like crazy on days where there's only a breath of wind.

Sush...don't tell them that....let them have something piss and moan about

[closetojumping 65336]

24 minutes ago, Captainant said:

The reasons that our state isn't connected to any other state are purely political: to avoid federal oversight and regulation.

If we were connected to the rest of the US's grid via interconnects it would help to better utilize our excess renewables rather than burning it on bitcoin farms, and would give our state a lifeline from our neighbors so we don't freeze or cook to death in our homes during increasingly severe weather events. 

There's no good operational reason to keep our state disconnected and losing out of the benefits of economies of continental scale, except to create a nice little walled garden market for your donors. 

Not that I agree or disagree, but I don't see why you quoted my post though. I wasn't offering an opinion on tying out to FERC or what not. What I was saying about what is going on literally today and for 2022 is accurate and politically indifferent.

Debating the pros and cons of tie-ins is another kettle of fish altogether. Same for ways of deregulating. I have a friend that runs PJM. You listen to him talk and PJM is more fucked up than ERCOT, where he worked for decades. 

I know ERCOT and the Texas grid are fun punching bags and there are legitimate issues here. There are also major burgeoning issues with the other grids associated to climate change, politics, corruption, and population growth across the country. The polar vortexes in the winters of 2013-2014 and then again in 2014-2015 brought much of the northeast to their fucking knees for all of the same reasons folks decry issues with ERCOT. PJM was on the brink of a massive brownout in June. Etc. Not poo-pooing things here, but none of it was why I posted in the first place.

Anyway, lesson learned. I should have just shut the fuck up and avoided the "current events" forum, I guess. 

[Gatorubet 30670]

1 hour ago, 1978horn said:

So you just admitted to being an accessory to insurance fraud?

Even worse, no pic of side piece. 

[Murfdogg21 4554]

[BLKNSTY 289]

Ha. I'm not blowing smoke up anyone's ass. 
It is a pure fucking beating to even attempt to discuss a current event on this site because a fuckton of you guys are so ardently left or right and need to politicize it all. I was just trying to address why there is a load issue right now and what's transpired this first half of 2022 to get us here. 

I mean you are a little with all this talk of maintenance being such a big issue. This isn’t a refinery or a chemical plant or liquefaction facility where you’ve got corrosion, leakage, fouling, upsets, off-spec, equipment that needs to operate at -273F and a thousand PSI, highly explosive chemicals and corrosive acids, etc across a dozen different units doing hundreds of different things.
It’s 4-8 nat gas gensets running in parallel pulling 99.9% methane off a 36 inch line, a stack, a flare, a cooling tower, some heat exchangers/pumps/condensers maybe a firewater system. Any plant manager worth his salt has his spare parts on site and any competent power producing company should know that.
There’s a reason why there are hundreds of electric gen coops across the country run by 12, 60 yr old dudes who have white hair, couple missing teeth, bushy mustache, a big belly, a tshirt with a front pocket filled with tiny screw drivers and a pocket protector tucked in his jeans and loves to eat at hooters cause he only gets paid 80k-120k a year.
In short any nat gas power plant down because of inside the fence issues is probably incompetent. That incompetence has probably made it to the corporate level, which has been acquired by some PE firm who wants to choke out a couple more bucks and just focuses on the bottom line.
The only safeguard against that incompetence is ERCOT/Abbott but that incompetent company is at least smart enough to realize that if you line the pockets of the state gov/affiliated party, not only will they go to the grave defending your company’s incompetence - they’ll fucking recover any money you’ve lost due to your own incompetence with fees/taxes/bailouts from the ratepayers! We are literally creating, incompetent and greedy power producers who, through our inability to hold those we vote for incompetent, are too big to fail. It’s really incredible how we’ve gone from a somewhat capitalist country to a oligarchy fuel by rent seeking behavior.

Incredible ROI.


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[dcar00 14912]

are the power outages related to ERCOT or because of shitty infrastructure from local power companies?

[elguapo 4620]

2 hours ago, closetojumping said:

What I was saying about what is going on literally today

Thanks for explaining to all of us who are blinded by the left/right thing that the weather and wind literally today is not affected by politics.