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Ridingtosunset

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2 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Of course, the bulk of the generation offline right now is....thermal.  So, you know.....not wind.

No incentive to build peaking generation, none is built.  Inherent peril of an "energy only" market.  Predicted, and predictable.  For the 100th time, this is the market working exactly as designed.

Real-Time System Conditions (ercot.com)

Real-Time System Conditions

 

Last Updated: Jun 14, 2021 17:09:17
Frequency
Current Frequency 59.978
Instantaneous Time Error -3.863
Consecutive BAAL Clock-Minute Exceedances (min) 0
Real-Time Data
Actual System Demand 68570
Total System Capacity (not including Ancillary Services) 70826
Total Wind Output 3463
Total PVGR Output 4421
Current System Inertia 364364
DC Tie Flows
DC_E (East) -595
DC_L (Laredo VFT) 0
DC_N (North) -219
DC_R (Railroad) -117
DC_S (Eagle Pass) 0

 

ERCOT's wind capacity is somewhere around 30,000mw. Its producing 3,500mw right now. Solar is almost maxed out. 

 

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3 hours ago, Cajun said:

I really just wanted to get some slim pickens/Blazing Saddles into this thread and couldn't figure an angle on a #6.

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1 hour ago, Ridingtosunset said:

Real-Time System Conditions (ercot.com)

Real-Time System Conditions

 

Last Updated: Jun 14, 2021 17:09:17
Frequency
Current Frequency 59.978
Instantaneous Time Error -3.863
Consecutive BAAL Clock-Minute Exceedances (min) 0
Real-Time Data
Actual System Demand 68570
Total System Capacity (not including Ancillary Services) 70826
Total Wind Output 3463
Total PVGR Output 4421
Current System Inertia 364364
DC Tie Flows
DC_E (East) -595
DC_L (Laredo VFT) 0
DC_N (North) -219
DC_R (Railroad) -117
DC_S (Eagle Pass) 0

 

ERCOT's wind capacity is somewhere around 30,000mw. Its producing 3,500mw right now. Solar is almost maxed out. 

 

Snapshot in time. Wind generation was predicted to drop around this time of day. It was actually producing twice as much as expected earlier this morning to make up for the gap with the thermal gen going offline.

Wind is not your enemy.

 

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21 minutes ago, F250 said:

Snapshot in time. Wind generation was predicted to drop around this time of day. It was actually producing twice as much as expected earlier this morning to make up for the gap with the thermal gen going offline.

Wind is not your enemy.

 

Even if it was producing twice as much earlier in the day, that's still a fraction of capacity. 

Not meant as a criticism of wind, just pointing out this isn't an energy resource problem. We need them all. 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Michael Knight said:

Or maybe they will move here and force the incumbent incompetents out. 

To vote in their own California-style incompetents?

Solid plan.  

Texas-"We've got grid problems"

California transplants - "Here, hold my tofu!"

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2 hours ago, UT_OB1 said:

Does this mean we should put the blankets back on the windows?

 

They deserve pitchforks and torches if they can’t keep up with the load, but the email did remind me to make my afternoon round through the house to turn off all the fucking lights because I’m the only one in the house capable or qualified to do it. I wonder how much is of our electrical shortage is due to our wives and kids?

Yep, all but 2 lights on in the house. On top of that, we had both bathroom and the laundry room vents sucking our nice air conditioned air out and blowing it out the house.  No one had been in any of those 3 rooms fir at least an hour  

Not 3 minutes after I turned off the lights, and also after I sent the wife the advisory, she walked through the master and out and left both set so lights on (11 -13 bulbs total). Expert level mind fuckery. 

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2 hours ago, Ridingtosunset said:

Real-Time System Conditions (ercot.com)

Real-Time System Conditions

 

Last Updated: Jun 14, 2021 17:09:17
Frequency
Current Frequency 59.978
Instantaneous Time Error -3.863
Consecutive BAAL Clock-Minute Exceedances (min) 0
Real-Time Data
Actual System Demand 68570
Total System Capacity (not including Ancillary Services) 70826
Total Wind Output 3463
Total PVGR Output 4421
Current System Inertia 364364
DC Tie Flows
DC_E (East) -595
DC_L (Laredo VFT) 0
DC_N (North) -219
DC_R (Railroad) -117
DC_S (Eagle Pass) 0

 

ERCOT's wind capacity is somewhere around 30,000mw. Its producing 3,500mw right now. Solar is almost maxed out. 

 

Basically the facilities online now are raping everyone.   Got it.  

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Yep, all but 2 lights on in the house. On top of that, we had both bathroom and the laundry room vents sucking our nice air conditioned air out and blowing it out the house.  No one had been in any of those 3 rooms fir at least an hour  
Not 3 minutes after I turned off the lights, and also after I sent the wife the advisory, she walked through the master and out and left both set so lights on (11 -13 bulbs total). Expert level mind fuckery. 

I was like that when I was a kid then I spent a summer in Spain in college. The family I stayed with taught me quick to turn off lights when leaving a room.

My family. Nope. If I’m not the last one to go to sleep then random shit stays on all night. Pisses me off.
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Does this mean we should put the blankets back on the windows?
 
They deserve pitchforks and torches if they can’t keep up with the load, but the email did remind me to make my afternoon round through the house to turn off all the fucking lights because I’m the only one in the house capable or qualified to do it. I wonder how much is of our electrical shortage is due to our wives and kids?
Came home to the AC blasting and every fucking light and TV in the house on.
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24 minutes ago, Michael Knight said:

ERCOT is like insurance - you keep paying for it until you really need it then they cut you off

All while holding critical infrastructure hostage behind their control with the threat of crippling debt if you don't pay the piper. And completely unaccountable to their own failure and profit seeking

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3 hours ago, UT_OB1 said:
Does this mean we should put the blankets back on the windows?
 
They deserve pitchforks and torches if they can’t keep up with the load, but the email did remind me to make my afternoon round through the house to turn off all the fucking lights because I’m the only one in the house capable or qualified to do it. I wonder how much is of our electrical shortage is due to our wives and kids?

Came home to the AC blasting and every fucking light and TV in the house on.

Wives and stupid shit thread is that way -->

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1 hour ago, Cajun said:

To vote in their own California-style incompetents?

Solid plan.  

Texas-"We've got grid problems"

California transplants - "Here, hold my tofu!"

I think the "logic" here is if Calis turn the state into theirs, things will be so fucking bad in every aspect inaginable that no one will mind the mere lack of energy.  Bold strategy, Cotton!

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1 hour ago, Cajun said:

To vote in their own California-style incompetents?

Solid plan.  

Texas-"We've got grid problems"

California transplants - "Here, hold my tofu!"

Lotta nerve calling anyone else’s state politics incompetent. 

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6 hours ago, Michael Knight said:

Or maybe they will move here and force the incumbent incompetents out. 

It’s worked so well out there.  Austin is trying to become LA or San Fran so bad on the homeless front, I’m surprised we’re not already there.  

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2 hours ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

Comparing yourself against what you hate/envy is no way to go through life. 

The self deception is impressive in you on this one Judge, but whatever makes you feel better.

It's all about feeling better.

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I remember when all the neck beards including Cruz trolled Cali when they had rolling black outs.

That shit would never happen in Texas. We have our own grid, by gawd.

 

And then Icepocalypse happened. Then the lege wants to allow the electric companies to include fees to everyone's electric bill for god knows how long to help pay for the losses incur by the electric companies because the lege and the same assholes didn't/wouldn't do what has been warned about for decades from happening. Privatize the profits, socialize the losses. Great fucking system, but don't call it socialism. The neckbeards all agree it's a good idea because it came from their team.

And now our fanfuckingtastic grid is warning of conserving energy or the grid is going to have a hissy fit again. Fucking lulz. We and Cali deserve the government that we elect. Two sides of the same shitty coin. This is what happens when dogma takes over and one ruling party controls the state with impunity for too long.

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15 hours ago, UT_OB1 said:

Yep, all but 2 lights on in the house. On top of that, we had both bathroom and the laundry room vents sucking our nice air conditioned air out and blowing it out the house.  No one had been in any of those 3 rooms fir at least an hour  

Not 3 minutes after I turned off the lights, and also after I sent the wife the advisory, she walked through the master and out and left both set so lights on (11 -13 bulbs total). Expert level mind fuckery. 

Timers on the vent fans are awesome.  

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It should be noted that when California was mocked for needing to encourage its people to conserve energy, it was in mid August after much of the state had been ravaged by wildfires for months. 

We're doing it after a couple of days of normal summer temps in mid June.

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my understanding is that we have a lot of plants offline. thinking back to a comment that the CFO of jerry jones west texas energy company said during icepocalypse when the cost/KWh hit $9000, "we hit the jackpot", i wonder how much of these plants going offline is purely "coincidental"? why the fuck are these plants offline now? i'm sure there's a reasonable answer.

surely these ethical fuckers wouldn't deliberately reduce supply to cause a fake crisis to drive up energy cost? that would be enron levels of bullshit. 

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1 minute ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Texas pulled a California with our own energy. 

 

 

 

I am urging ERCOT to fuck off.

it's not ERCOT. ERCOT is just a bitch for the energy companies and their bought Texas legislature friends. there's a reason the lege did not pass sweeping reforms to prevent another icepocalypse from happening again. they are not MAKING the energy companies perform mandatory measures to prevent the gas lines from freezing again. they are not changing the Texas energy market from a demand to a supply market. ERCOT is just the entity to conveniently blame.

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Why don't you walk through the logic there?  Do you think they purposefully took enough plants offline at the same time for scheduled maintenance so that for a few hours it was up in the air if there would be enough available power to meet demand?  Does that sound reasonable to you?

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27 minutes ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

We demand the power companies to winterize!

A few months later...

How dare the power companies take generation capacity offline to winterize or otherwise repair junk that was broken in the icepocalypse!

 

Wow. What a stupid take. Seriously. 

(1) Is there any evidence at all that the generation is being taken off line to winterize? 

(2) Who the fuck suggested they should do those repairs in unison during our peak season for power usage? What in the fuck were they doing March through May? 

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There's plenty of blame to go around. ERCOT is a traffic director, no more and no less. They have as much chance of controlling the supply & demand as a beat cop has of stopping a speeding bus. They manage resources, sometimes good and sometimes bad.

The Supply & Demand issues:

Supply:

No argument against "all of the above." Wind & Solar are great when they produce and useless when they don't.

More available power generation would not have mattered since most of the "peak shaving" facilities are fueled with natural gas.

It is ironic that natural gas facilities REQUIRE electricity to operate.  The migration from on-site power generation to purchased power was essentially complete 20 years ago, driven by power generation economies of scale, both from efficiency and emissions perspectives. We have a circular system where gas production needs electricty so we can produce more gas to make more electricty.  Put another way, should oil & gas production facilities be prioritized with hospitals, schools and 1st responders? Imagine the push back when the energy companies get power when schools, homes & businesses are cut off.

 

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they are not MAKING the energy companies perform mandatory measures to prevent the gas lines from freezing again

There is a practical limit ($$$) to preventing lines from freezing.  Not every well and every pipeline is "heat traced", nor should they be.  Natural gas is produced saturated with water vapor; until you remove the water, hydrates are a concern.  This is done at larger, centralized facilities.  Unless the power supply is available 100% of the time, there is always a probability of freezing.  If it goes down for 30 minutes, you're $%^&*@!!!

Demand:  

Ignoring equipment efficiencies 🙁,  It takes twice the power to heat a home from 10 ℉ to 68 ℉ than to cool it from 100 ℉ to 76 ℉.  100 ℉ is the norm in Texas, 10 ℉ is not.

When we were supposed to be conserving power, every home that had power had their swimming pool equipment running 24/7.  I don't know one person that stepped up and voluntarily shut off their pool equipment, yet everyone of them had equipment damaged from freezing.  

Downtown office towers were vacant, heated, and well lit because thet were on the same grid as hospitals and other core facilities. One is not like the other. We need a smarter grid.

Buckle your seatbelts, Dorothy!!!

I imagine a lot of stuff that got broke in February is not fixed yet, which means the power supply available will be challenged this summer. Take personal responsibility for your actions (like that's going to happen, Ha! Ha!) Maybe just try not to get caught with your pants down. 

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19 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

(2) Who the fuck suggested they should do those repairs in unison during our peak season for power usage? What in the fuck were they doing March through May? 

Holding meetings and paying off their legislature buddies to make sure that nothing gets passed to hold them accountable past, present and future, and also making sure they can pass the losses to the citizens of this state. You think Jerry Jones hit the jackpot company is going to share his jackpot profits with his other energy buddies who loss during the ice storm. Fuck no. Make the citizens pay but don't call it socialism because only then would it trigger their idiot constituents.

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3 minutes ago, PTINS said:

Take personal responsibility for your actions (like that's going to happen, Ha! Ha!) Maybe just try not to get caught with your pants down. 

There is a practical limit to effectiveness of personal responsibility at scale, unless you're suggesting everyone should have wind, solar, or a backup generator ready to go.  As you said, we need a smarter grid (among other things).  I'd argue we need to add the word decentralized too, and make massive investments at both public an private level to make smarter, decentralized power grids a thing.  How we do that securely, I don't know.  There's a lot of shit to figure out, and unfortunately I don't have a lot of confidence in our leadership, the power producers, o

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