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Hank Kingsley
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My dad is Iranian, so I'm not gonna let Iconoclast be the sole Iran authority on this thread.  To say the US-Iran relationship is complex is an understatement.  You could make a very strong argum

Lagunamadre
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If only we could come to an agreement with Iran and all of our allies to bring them to the table to end their nuclear program. 

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First, this is the problem with any POTUS entering into such a dramatic deal without congressional approval.  Because if we let one guy do it, then we do not have a choice if the next guy wants to und

Jhawk

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Here we go....

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/08/world/middleeast/trump-iran-nuclear-deal.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=span-ab-top-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

Trump is supposedly going to announce at 2pm today that we are out of the deal.  Apparently us staying in relied upon restrictions on nuclear fuel production after 2030.  We want them and Iran/allies don't.  

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Lagunamadre

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2 minutes ago, relapse98 said:

Was this something Obama had a position on?

If yes, do the opposite.

Even if the rest of the civilized world and Trump's military and intelligence leaders think we should stay in the deal? 

Trump and his followers show themselves to be more and more ignorant by the day. 

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Was originally against the deal, as it was heavily front-loaded with Iran benefits.  But they are a sunk cost and the idea of "snap back" sanctions are and forever will be a joke, we are better off staying in.

As to the lawsuit, I doubt the victim's families will ever see a dime

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WhatTheBuck

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Just now, DiceHands said:

"We have proof" sounds awfully familiar....

Remember those WMD's???  That was "proof" too. 

We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud. 

We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud. 

We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud. 

We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud. 

We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud. 

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Lagunamadre

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2 minutes ago, OatmealRaisinCookie said:

What's the benefit of pulling out of this deal and letting Iran have nuclear weapons? Serious question.

This is as honest of a response I can think of: It pisses off Obama and liberals. 

 

That is the crux of Trump's policy. No facts or logic behind it. 

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2 minutes ago, Lagunamadre said:

This is as honest of a response I can think of: It pisses off Obama and liberals. 

 

Thanks is the crux of Trump's policy. No facts or logic behind it. 

Maybe for Trump.  But not for the people directing him to do this.  

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Lagunamadre

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3 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

i did find it vaguely amusing that he called his bro macron to break the news before announcing it to the rest of the world.

Trump is going to be pissed when he realizes Macron is no longer his bro. 

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4 minutes ago, Lagunamadre said:

Looks like Bolton, et al are leading us back to regime change policy. Do we have $3 Trillion and 10,000 18 year old lives to spare? 

It's going to be more expensive in both dollars and lives this time.

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8 minutes ago, Lagunamadre said:

Looks like Bolton, et al are leading us back to regime change policy. Do we have $3 Trillion and 10,000 18 year old lives to spare? 

No, this is all on Trump. It's definitely not a mainstream Republican position supported by the entire party's leadership. It's Trump. Because he is not a REAL Republican. 

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9 minutes ago, Lagunamadre said:

Looks like Bolton, et al are leading us back to regime change policy. Do we have $3 Trillion and 10,000 18 year old lives to spare? 

From what I have gathered, killing a few thousand lazy millennials is actually a positive to trump supporters 

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25 minutes ago, OatmealRaisinCookie said:

What's the benefit of pulling out of this deal and letting Iran have nuclear weapons? Serious question.

The only people that benefit are Israel, Saudi, the MIC, globalists in our government and hardliners in Iran.

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WhatTheBuck

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4 minutes ago, OatmealRaisinCookie said:

What's the benefit of pulling out of this deal and letting Iran have nuclear weapons? Serious question.

It supports the case for war. Go to war with Iran late next year so it's still in its early stages and we're kicking ass with air superiority when the 2020 election rolls around. You'll get votes that way because our military kicking ass makes you popular and people don't want to change leadership while we're kicking ass. You can't invade too soon or you'll be stuck in the quagmire of occupation when you have no workable solution for a replacement government. 

It's like Dubya and Iraq. He wasn't going to make the same mistake his dad did. Bush 41's popularity was through the roof during the war and if the turkey shoot had lasted until the election then he would've been reelected easily. There were those who wanted to invade Iraq by early 2002 but Dubya waited until a lot closer to the election. If George wasn't consciously aware of the political implications, Karl most certainly was and would've advised accordingly.

The Saudis and Israelis supported that foolishness too. 

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1 minute ago, Fozzz said:

Awkward for the never-Trump crowd that incessantly excoriated this deal and vilified the Obama admin over it.

 

 

You're very good at writing quips that seem clever but that don't actually say anything.

It's actually not awkward at all. Sometimes blowing up a bad deal puts you in an even worse position than living with the bad deal. Trump always harps on the "cash" that we gave to Iran. Does he think we're getting that back by backing out of this deal? LOL

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Lagunamadre

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Just now, SmokeyTheBear said:

Now our Military is saying that they have indication that Iran is planning an attack on Israel. 

Likely unrelated to this. Israel has been bombing Iranian military assets in Syria for a couple weeks now. They are responding. 

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1 minute ago, Fozzz said:

Awkward for the never-Trump crowd that incessantly excoriated this deal and vilified the Obama admin over it.

 

 

Agree.  For all of trumps faults, the one thing he consistently does is move the cart forward.  Whether you like his positions or not, he rarely shied away from pushing the decision making process forward (DACA being the only one I can think of that hasn't moved).  Republicans have made a lot of hay by just being silent or not taking up an issue that they campaign on all year.  Trump is forcing them to take stands that they are terrified to take (just look at how many are retiring this year).  Repubs are either going to have to cut bait or fish with trump and the polls suggest that Trump is far more liked by republican voters than any other republican.  So repubs can either back him and trounce on the policies they vilified or they can back away from him and not be an elected official anymore.

It is a really unique thing to see play out and in my opinion is good to see play out because there isn't any hiding in the republican party at this point.

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4 minutes ago, SmokeyTheBear said:

Now our Military is saying that they have indication that Iran is planning an attack on Israel. 

I'll bet I can guess the source of that intelligence. It may even be less than fifteen years old. 

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Lagunamadre

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2 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

So we violated the Iran deal today by choice, betrayed our European Allies, and damaged US credibility even further.

Another big win for Russia.

Does this mean we have to start calling them "freedom fries" again?

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