Iran

[WhatTheBuck 28716]

1 hour ago, Thetexashammer said:

There is a fake inspection regime in place. Iran lied before the deal and as far as anyone knows, is most likely cheating on the deal since the deal itself was designed to allow that. Iran would not have signed a truly binding deal.  The inspections are completely tootless.

And there was no doubt Saddam had WMDs. 

[David Dennison 18661]

2 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Fuck that.

Only Russia and China are remotely capable of a military action against the US that isn’t over in a week( if the gloves are off).

and spare me the global thermonuclear war scare tactic.

 

So what you're saying is W. half-assed it and 5,000 Americans died in Iraq.

I bet that makes their parents feel better.

[kevwun 15658]

Say you're worried the local pd isn't patrolling enough in your neighborhood and it may not be safe from a local gang.  Is the answer to fire the whole department and then not replace any of the officers?  What exactly do you think the gang is going to do when no cops are around?

Edited May 9, 2018 by kevwun

[DixonHur 11230]

1 minute ago, kevwun said:

Say you're worried the local pd isn't patrolling enough in your neighborhood and it may not be safe.  Is the answer to fire the whole department and then not replace any of the officers?

If the previous police chief was black it is

[Chrispy 132]

6 minutes ago, kevwun said:

Say you're worried the local pd isn't patrolling enough in your neighborhood and it may not be safe from a local gang.  Is the answer to fire the whole department and then not replace any of the officers?  What exactly do you think the gang is going to do when no cops are around?

If the local PD only carries rape whistles, then yes. 

[David Dennison 18661]

2 minutes ago, Chrispy said:

If the local PD only carries rape whistles, then yes. 

The local PD in this case is backed by thousands of nuclear warheads.

[bolverk 29410]

5 minutes ago, Thetexashammer said:

Again from the report:

So the Harvard report is basically admitting that the procedures for discovering nuclear work at "undeclared facilities" is totally ineffective. Getting access to "undeclared facilities" would take months, under the provisions of the deal. 

This isn't about partisanship or team red or team blue. It's about reading comprehension.

This is the Mattis quote:

That quote doesn't mean what you think it means.

 

So, Trump has chosen the path of zero inspection capability over the imperfect, which you're on record of supporting. Hey, if it works out that we end up with a better deal with much tighter inspections (sans spilling innocent blood), I'll eat my unlaundered shorts. But until then, put me down for thinking this was an idiotic move based on a very long-shot bet.

As for the renewed sanctions, I'm also of the mind that Russia and China will be very happy to not comply - maybe even throw in India and Turkey. In the end, we've undercut the one individual who somewhat counts as a moderate with any sort of power in Iran, and I doubt he'll be around much longer.

This move has been widely condemned all over the world with only one single international voice who has spoken up so far in favor of this action: personal friend to the Trump and Kushner families, Benjamin Netanyahu. I'll let y'all do the math.

[Homercles 10205]

You suck at trolling

[XR4ticlone 122]

15 minutes ago, 5 5 said:

Trump went from presiding over historic peace accords to destabilizing the world.

This pattern is the same domestically. We went from Obama/Hillary to Trump/Putin.

Shame on the fucking half wit conservatives which infest this nation with brainlessness and immorality. 

Look...we're already shaming from so many other things right now!  We can only shame so much!!  

We're still shaming from the WWIII that Trump started with North Korea...we can't shame for another WWIII...you're going to have to call this WW...IV?  I guess? 

We'll let you know when we're through with the NK shame...and then give us a day to rest up and then I promise we'll jump right on this new shame.  Will that work?

I'm thinking about becoming a Democrat just to avoid shame all together...it might be worth getting that full frontal lobotomy. 

I mean it's clear Democrats clearly have no shame at all...

You can beat women and call them racist names...and be the leader of the #MeToo movement going after all those horrible men that demean and attack women.  

You can lament and promote climate hysteria...telling soccer moms & truck drivers they're killing the earth...while you make millions flying around in private jets with SUV caravans. 

Heck you can even give a homicidal group of cultists a $100 billion dollars to help fund their nuclear ambitions...and claim getting tough on them is shameful.  

These are just the big ones that make the news...its no telling what run of the mill leftists do without shame on a daily basis!  But I think I want to know!  

 

[Mojo Hand 4580]

29 minutes ago, Thetexashammer said:

Again from the report:

So the Harvard report is basically admitting that the procedures for discovering nuclear work at "undeclared facilities" is totally ineffective. Getting access to "undeclared facilities" would take months, under the provisions of the deal. 

This isn't about partisanship or team red or team blue. It's about reading comprehension.

This is the Mattis quote:

That quote doesn't mean what you think it means.

 

No, you are the one who doesn't understand what you are reading.   The very notion of "undeclared facilities" assumes without evidence that there are secret nuclear sites.   We have access to all known sites.  If they do something secret, we can get access to those sites by following a process.  And we can fuck up their shit if they violate the deal through such efforts.  That is an achievement, not a flaw in the deal. 

You are insane if you think any country would give us access to literally any location in their country that we want to see, with zero evidence that there is undeclared nuclear activity at that site.  

[Hate 20103]

How will we know about them if they are secret?

[Mojo Hand 4580]

The same way we ever knew that Iran was pursuing a nuclear program, or that NK has one.  With intelligence.  

[Incredulity 11555]

I wonder what Jimmy Carter thinks🤔.

[David Dennison 18661]

3 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

I wonder what Jimmy Carter thinks🤔.

The guy that brokered peace between Israel and Egypt?

Yeah, I wonder.

[Anastasis 23394]

5 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Dude...I ain’t Russian. I’m a whiskey man, not vodka.

why not both(tm)

[Anastasis 23394]

2 hours ago, Mojo Hand said:

Whatever happens with Iran, Trump owns it now. 

thats right.  one way or the other. 

[Anastasis 23394]

1 hour ago, David Dennison said:

World War III is going to be so much fun.

I thought that was suppose to be NK?

[DixonHur 11230]

1 minute ago, Anastasis said:

I thought that was suppose to be NK?

Why not both?

[David Dennison 18661]

2 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

I thought that was suppose to be NK?

I never thought that.

The Middle East has real potential.

[Buzzrock 14871]

At the expense of credibility with allies.
America breaks its promises.
Great.

You suck at haikus

[Brisketexan 104635]

Brisket has sounded the alarm bells that our “fragile” institutions (we aren’t Hungary or Poland Brisket) are under assault because of Trump’s rule via executive orders but did not call out Obama for creating this mess in the first place by enacting his signature pieces of legislation that way. What do you expect would happen when the other party came into power?  If you are trying to pretend to be non-partisan and above the fray you need to do a better job. I’m a life-long Republican who was voted Democratic for President only in 2004 and 2008 because I was a staunch opponent of the Iraq War. Trump has done a lot of dumb shit I don’t like. I will give him credit where it’s due. As crazy as it sounds, he has a much more coherent foreign policy advancing American interests vis a vis our enemies like Iran.

1) I definitely criticized several of Obama’s exec orders as being beyond the scope of proper exec authority.

2) we aren’t Poland or Hungary...until we are.

I gotta give y’all this, we do arrogance and hubris like nobody else. “We’re bulletproof! Nothing bad can happen here!”

There’s no fucking coherence to his “foreign policy” - it’s based on two things. 1) whatever someone persuasive just told him, and 2) if obama did it, it’s bad, undo it. There’s no long-game strategy. None. If you think there is, I gotta find a way to do “business” with you, because you’re one gullible SOB.

[Anastasis 23394]

 

Just now, Brisketexan said:

There’s no fucking coherence to his “foreign policy"

There has been no coherence to American foreign policy for decades. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23360]

3 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

 

There has been no coherence to American foreign policy for decades. 

Wait, are you telling me globalism was just a conspiracy theory? 

[Anastasis 23394]

Just now, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Wait, are you telling me globalism was just a conspiracy theory? 

I am telling you that American foreign policy, esp wrt to the ME and Iran and others is a total shit show. scattytexas level. 

[WhatTheBuck 28716]

21 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

The same way we ever knew that Iran was pursuing a nuclear program, or that NK has one.  With intelligence.  

Or, as was the case under Bush/Cheney, you just make up ones that don't exist and use it as a case for war. This is oddly reminiscent of that fiasco. Nuclear activities are really tough to hide and the inspectors have given us no reason to suspect the Iranians of being dishonest in their dealings. I have more than enough experience to suspect the Republicans in general and Donald Trump specifically of being dishonest. 

[MaybeACoordinator 8349]

If Brisket is on one side of an issue and Icono is on the other....well, y'all know the rest. And yes, Icono, you get some slack for your heritage and family over there, but you are just as wrong about this about everything else you've ever posted about, ever. 

[MaybeACoordinator 8349]

18 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

 

There has been no coherence to American foreign policy for decades. 

The whole idea that there is some static thing called "foreign policy" is as ludicrous as the idea that there is something called "objective journalism." 

[TexArcher 37525]

1 hour ago, DixonHur said:

So the gist of what I'm hearing from the rights is that the reason to kill the deal is because the inspections provisions weren't strong enough...so the solution is to remove ALL inspection provisions.  Seems logical.

Bingo.

"You can't prove that they're not cheating, so they are definitely cheating.  So we should trade the limited oversight we have now for no oversight and make it easier for them to cheat.  Then we'll go back to the negotiating table and force them to take a worse deal than the one we just renegged on.  Nevermind that the rest of the world thinks this is a really stupid idea.  They thought invading Iraq was stupid, too, and we showed them.  Murica."

 

[Anastasis 23394]

Just now, MaybeACoordinator said:

The whole idea that there is some static thing called "foreign policy" is as ludicrous as the idea that there is something called "objective journalism." 

who said fp was static?  why do you rule out a dynamic shit show?

[MaybeACoordinator 8349]

2 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

who said fp was static?  why do you rule out a dynamic shit show?

Policy: "a course or principle of action adopted or proposed by a government, party, business, or individual." There has never been, and can never be, a single one size fits all policy to apply to everything that is foreign.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23360]

America has had a globalization foreign policy since WWII.  How the fuck do you think we became the biggest superpower the world has ever seen? 

It was economic and political integration with the rest of the world.

[EuroHorn 3204]

49 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

I wonder what Jimmy Carter thinks🤔.

What did Chuck Schumer think about the deal back in 2015?

[David Dennison 18661]

I'm sure it will all work out for the best.

[MaybeACoordinator 8349]

4 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

America has had a globalization foreign policy since WWII.  How the fuck do you think we became the biggest superpower the world has ever seen? 

It was economic and political integration with the rest of the world.

But the focus has changed drastically over time. At first it was about rebuilding western Europe. We severed ties with our friends of convenience in the USSR and then fought a proxy war with them for the next....I don't know how many years. Looks like it's still going on. But for a while there there was a truce, and we lost our way, and could not define what our "foreign policy" was, now that it was no longer Containment of Communism.

It's just really code for national self interest, and mostly, for the last 120 years or so, it's been about getting control of as much sweet, sweet crude oil as possible. People overcomplicate this, but that's what it's been all about.  

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13547]

another banner day

[GHOSTUSER 361]

42 minutes ago, MaybeACoordinator said:

If Brisket is on one side of an issue and Icono is on the other....well, y'all know the rest. And yes, Icono, you get some slack for your heritage and family over there, but you are just as wrong about this about everything else you've ever posted about, ever. 

Who the fuck are you? What was your handle on shaggy?

[MaybeACoordinator 8349]

2 minutes ago, Iconoclast Texan said:

Who the fuck are you? What was your handle on shaggy?

Verse 2: 

 

[Biff Tannen 45500]

34 minutes ago, MaybeACoordinator said:

But the focus has changed drastically over time. At first it was about rebuilding western Europe. We severed ties with our friends of convenience in the USSR and then fought a proxy war with them for the next....I don't know how many years. Looks like it's still going on. But for a while there there was a truce, and we lost our way, and could not define what our "foreign policy" was, now that it was no longer Containment of Communism.

It's just really code for national self interest, and mostly, for the last 120 years or so, it's been about getting control of as much sweet, sweet crude oil as possible. People overcomplicate this, but that's what it's been all about.  

This is, ah, I feel this is correct.

[SimonBolivar 10937]

Asking Iconoclast about Iran is the equivalent of going to the coast and hopping on a shrimp boat and asking them if the Vietnamese Communist Party is widely supported.

[Ragnarok 103]

If it's about Iran, I'll take Iconoclast every time.  I don't see how anybody who watched how North Korea played out could be for the Iran deal.  We paid the Norks billions for empty promises that were soon broken. Obama followed the same script, he just paid a hundred times more.   This deal is unfathomable, even for Obama. There is simply no reason to continue pretending to believe Iran isn't continuing their nuclear program.

[David Dennison 18661]

2 minutes ago, Ragnarok said:

If it's about Iran, I'll take Iconoclast every time.  I don't see how anybody who watched how North Korea played out could be for the Iran deal.  We paid the Norks billions for empty promises that were soon broken. Obama followed the same script, he just paid a hundred times more.   This deal is unfathomable, even for Obama. There is simply no reason to continue pretending to believe Iran isn't continuing their nuclear program.

We know they aren't. Just ask the Secretary of State.

[MaybeACoordinator 8349]

Stolen from the Internet:

 

Monroe Doctrine: The Americas are not subject to future colonization by any European powers.
Truman Doctrine: We will act to counter Soviet geopolitical expansion.
Trump Doctrine: Fuck everything the black guy did.

[Mojo Hand 4580]

57 minutes ago, Ragnarok said:

If it's about Iran, I'll take Iconoclast every time.  I don't see how anybody who watched how North Korea played out could be for the Iran deal.  We paid the Norks billions for empty promises that were soon broken. Obama followed the same script, he just paid a hundred times more.   This deal is unfathomable, even for Obama. There is simply no reason to continue pretending to believe Iran isn't continuing their nuclear program.

The deals are only superficially similar. The NK deal wasn't multilateral; we went it alone, and we didn't hold up our end of the deal either.   It didn't have the same degree of verification and compliance requirements.  And Iranians aren't going to eat tree bark to survive like the Norks, so the enforcement mechanisms will have greater effect.

What more could you have gotten Iran to agree to?  Or would you just invade?

[DeweyCox 366]

1 hour ago, SimonBolivar said:

Asking Iconoclast about Iran is the equivalent of going to the coast and hopping on a shrimp boat and asking them if the Vietnamese Communist Party is widely supported.

Ain’t no party like a Vietnamese Communist Party. I always say.

[blackmarketbaby 118]

4 hours ago, Anastasis said:

 

There has been no coherence to American foreign policy for centuries. 

fify

[SpiralOut 1809]

There has absolutely been a coherent strategy to American foreign policy for the past 50+ years.

Start shit.  Get the military industrial complex paid.  Make the American taxpayer foot the bill.  Rinse.  Repeat.

 

[blackmarketbaby 118]

8 minutes ago, SpiralOut said:

There has absolutely been a coherent strategy to American foreign policy for the past 50+ years.

Start shit.  Get the military industrial complex paid.  Make the American taxpayer foot the bill.  Rinse.  Repeat.

 

How excitable is the American?

[Hugo Stiglitz 23360]

4 hours ago, MaybeACoordinator said:

But the focus has changed drastically over time. At first it was about rebuilding western Europe. We severed ties with our friends of convenience in the USSR and then fought a proxy war with them for the next....I don't know how many years. Looks like it's still going on. But for a while there there was a truce, and we lost our way, and could not define what our "foreign policy" was, now that it was no longer Containment of Communism.

It's just really code for national self interest, and mostly, for the last 120 years or so, it's been about getting control of as much sweet, sweet crude oil as possible. People overcomplicate this, but that's what it's been all about.  

How democracies work. 

We’re not supposed to have a coherent foreign policy over a long period of time.  Our system is built for periods of expansion and contraction.

 

[MaybeACoordinator 8349]

Just now, Hugo Stiglitz said:

How democracies work. 

We’re not supposed to have a coherent foreign policy over a long period of time.  Our system is built for periods of expansion and contraction.

 

Dennis Hopper voice: "I'm gonna lay some heavy, heavy shit on you, man..."

 

 

[MaybeACoordinator 8349]

Those monkeys are fighting over a waterhole. More recently we monkeys have had the luxury of fighting over oil seeps, while we have actual monkeys breaking their hands punching walls while in our care, and we wonder whether to take them to a vet or a people doctor, as our Great Sage of Alabama has put it. And we went from tossing bones in the air in a victory dance to space ships, but it's looking like we are gonna be screeching over muddy ponds again if present trends continue. 

And that's foreign policy.