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1 minute ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

Okay. You're focusing on the energy aspect, understandable if that is your area and yes, it is going to cost more, but why throw out the whole resolution? That is not the only thing that affects quality of life for the poor. Drinking water such as in Flint is not potable at this time. Can we help them?

Some of the communities near Houston are polluted, can we help them? Those living near PNG, after the explosion two years ago, people were worried about air quality. Tough shit, they shouldn't live there?

 

Trade offs. Working together. Compromising. These are not dirty words.

Those and many other problems are best solved by prosperity. Making ourselves much poorer is a shit proposition for helping the downtrodden, social justice, and just about any other social issue you want to propose. 

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This thread has actually turned into a great exemplar of the true issue, conflating facts with opinions. It makes it entirely impossible to have an actual discussion when one side doesn't just have a

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You don't have to confine it to insurrection. I'm nowhere near as far left as you, and it's plain to me that the GOP fully intends to subvert democracy at every level, because unfettered voting a

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The rest of the world isn’t going to pivot to green energy as it’s going to be a disaster?  The rest of the world, for the most part, is doing exactly that...and for good reason, and getting cheaper all the time.  I strongly disagree with that sentiment.  
 

 

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2 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

What do you suggest?

You work on efficiencies, you devote a reasonable amount of money to research (which is already been done), you push nat gas. But ultimately I don't know how much can be done. Do we want to tell China and India they can't develop into first world countries? That is where the lion share of emissions is coming from and will only increase. 

 

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4 minutes ago, Ridingtosunset said:

We've started it by artificial means. It will be a disaster. And that's just us. The rest of the world isn't going to follow suit. 

Artificial how? And why a disaster? 

The rest of the world is leading the way, we’re the ones following suit. Everyone is investing in green energy. Countries. Energy companies. Why? It is a better product. Period. Once the price comes down enough, and yes, they have been declining over the years, it will be a no brainer. 

Dear customer, would you like energy from oil or from solar/wind? Same price. You choose. The customer will always choose column B. Of course we will always have oil/gas for intermittency issues and other things like feedstock, but it’s time as the dominant fuel source will be gone in 50 years. 

 

 

 

 

 

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19 minutes ago, Ridingtosunset said:

The cheapest form of energy is burning wood / dung. Followed by coal. Followed by nat gas. Followed by oil. Not including nuclear because for some reason we hate it. 

You think China, India, Pakistan, Malyasia, Central America, South America will be helped by green energy? 

What kind of burden would we put on the middle class in this country to mandate electric vehicles, much less the poor. 

That's not even getting into the fact that harnessing all this "green" energy actually requires more imput of carbon than actually using carbon as your energy source. Its lies. 

Sadly, this is a non-serious answer. 

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I could write a novel on the GND and why it won't work. But the point is, its just another political invention to grab voting blocs and siphon tax payer money to friends of elected officials. That's it. Full stop. Same shit happens with Republicans on different issues. It definitely doesn't help the average US tax payer. 

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5 minutes ago, Ridingtosunset said:

Those and many other problems are best solved by prosperity. Making ourselves much poorer is a shit proposition for helping the downtrodden, social justice, and just about any other social issue you want to propose. 

There it is. Trickle down economics. Makers and takers. Job creators. 

Socialism for the rich, capitalism for the poor.

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4 minutes ago, Homercles said:

The rest of the world isn’t going to pivot to green energy as it’s going to be a disaster?  The rest of the world, for the most part, is doing exactly that...and for good reason, and getting cheaper all the time.  I strongly disagree with that sentiment.  
 

 

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That's insanely wrong. Google that shit again. Haha

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2 minutes ago, Ridingtosunset said:

I could write a novel on the GND and why it won't work. But the point is, its just another political invention to grab voting blocs and siphon tax payer money to friends of elected officials. That's it. Full stop. Same shit happens with Republicans on different issues. It definitely doesn't help the average US tax payer. 

I bet that novel would suck. 

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You guys don't like to dig to deep. China and India drive emissions. Do some research on their energy plans. Good lord. 

You sure like to tell us how much you know about things without ever posting shit about it. 

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I hope we get a nice EV. I think it would be cool to own and drive. How will we power it? 

You understand how electricity is generated, you seem to think renewable energy is incapable of doing it for some odd reason? I’ve yet to hear a good argument. 

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No. I’m not the one on here talking about how much I supposedly know and then not posting shit about it. That would be your dumb ass. 

You are a joke and everything that this thread is supposed to be against. You're posting history proves that. Get lost and let the adults speak. 

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You understand how electricity is generated, you seem to think renewable energy is incapable of doing it for some odd reason? I’ve yet to hear a good argument. 

Our capacity to generate is dangerously near the point of intermittent outages in many parts of the country. Not just Texas and Cali. Renewables aren't even in the ballpark of being able to handle it. We could put solar on every roof and wind turbines in every field, won't get us there. Did you guys not learn your lesson in Feb? 

Neon, I'll send you some stuff tomorrow if you're genuinely interested. 

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3 minutes ago, Ridingtosunset said:

You are a joke and everything that this thread is supposed to be against. You're posting history proves that. Get lost and let the adults speak. 

definitely not a returning banned member.

 

 

1 hour ago, Ridingtosunset said:

This is good one to discuss. Trump was a clown and a disgrace. But how is someone to vote that couldn't disagree more with the Dem platform? We were told not to worry about the crazies like AOC...now she has a little juice. We are heading full speed into the GND, which will be a disaster, but make Dem donors money. How are we supposed to vote? For a degenerate? Or for someone that is promising to do the opposite of what we believe is most important for the health of the country? Shit sandwich and Giant Douche. 

 

57 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

The Green New Deal as envisioned by AOC will not pass both houses of congress anytime in the near future.  The idea that AOC is propelling US policy on climate change is absurd.

 

 

55 minutes ago, Ridingtosunset said:

I agree with everything but the last sentence. 

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Our capacity to generate is dangerously near the point of intermittent outages in many parts of the country. Not just Texas and Cali. Renewables aren't even in the ballpark of being able to handle it. We could put solar on every roof and wind turbines in every field, won't get us there. Did you guys not learn your lesson in Feb? 

Neon, I'll send you some stuff tomorrow if you're genuinely interested. 

oh please tell us what happened in feb

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Our capacity to generate is dangerously near the point of intermittent outages in many parts of the country. Not just Texas and Cali. Renewables aren't even in the ballpark of being able to handle it. We could put solar on every roof and wind turbines in every field, won't get us there. Did you guys not learn your lesson in Feb? 

Neon, I'll send you some stuff tomorrow if you're genuinely interested. 

February wasn't about renewables. 

 

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1 hour ago, Ridingtosunset said:

With all due respect, not looking for the dissection of the thread title. Or the literal legal consequences. More of a discussion of how our tolerance of others has brought us to this place in 2021. 

Words have meaning. Use the correct ones or don't get mad when someone corrects you. 

1 hour ago, Ridingtosunset said:

This is good one to discuss. Trump was a clown and a disgrace. But how is someone to vote that couldn't disagree more with the Dem platform? We were told not to worry about the crazies like AOC...now she has a little juice. We are heading full speed into the GND, which will be a disaster, but make Dem donors money. How are we supposed to vote? For a degenerate? Or for someone that is promising to do the opposite of what we believe is most important for the health of the country? Shit sandwich and Giant Douche. 

In what way is AOC crazy? I'm assuming your knowledge is this is limited to talking point and actually paying attention to what she has said. 

1 hour ago, Ridingtosunset said:

I work in this field. I'm very educated in this field. I've read hours of literature and attended many seminars and lectures. I'm paid to know about this. There isn't one realistic path to solving this that doesn't require reducing the world's population by almost half. I spend too much time reading climate policy literature from partisan authors that are writing what they think wants to be read. Invest your money in renewables, I'll be shorting them. 

What field? 

44 minutes ago, Ridingtosunset said:

The cheapest form of energy is burning wood / dung. Followed by coal. Followed by nat gas. Followed by oil. Not including nuclear because for some reason we hate it. 

You think China, India, Pakistan, Malyasia, Central America, South America will be helped by green energy? 

What kind of burden would we put on the middle class in this country to mandate electric vehicles, much less the poor. 

That's not even getting into the fact that harnessing all this "green" energy actually requires more imput of carbon than actually using carbon as your energy source. Its lies. 

What on earth is this based on? Coal the second cheapest? Nuclear? What evidence could you possibly be relying on here. Solar and wind have been growing because they are now cheaper than all of those. Prior to that, natural gas ate coal's lunch. Nuclear, at least in the US, hasn't been economically attractive. 

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1 minute ago, Ridingtosunset said:

Our capacity to generate is dangerously near the point of intermittent outages in many parts of the country. Not just Texas and Cali. Renewables aren't even in the ballpark of being able to handle it. We could put solar on every roof and wind turbines in every field, won't get us there. Did you guys not learn your lesson in Feb? 

Neon, I'll send you some stuff tomorrow if you're genuinely interested. 

I learned that all power generation failed back in Feb. I learned that our state regulatory body didn’t do shit. I learned that there’s some glaring inefficiencies with the way our market is set up. 

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We're just far beyond differences of opinion at this point. The Republican Party is doubling down on its alternate reality and has shown repeatedly that is unable and/or unwilling to work in good faith. Rank and file partisans fall in line like sports fans. No reasonable person can work with someone who believes the Trumpist nonsense a lot of Republicans believe.

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1 hour ago, Ridingtosunset said:

This is good one to discuss. Trump was a clown and a disgrace. But how is someone to vote that couldn't disagree more with the Dem platform? We were told not to worry about the crazies like AOC...now she has a little juice. We are heading full speed into the GND, which will be a disaster, but make Dem donors money. How are we supposed to vote? For a degenerate? Or for someone that is promising to do the opposite of what we believe is most important for the health of the country? Shit sandwich and Giant Douche. 

The platform? What on earth does a platform have to do with anything. Vote against clowns in office. If given the choice between a clown that’s in office and a clown running against them you vote against the incumbent. 
JFC. Platform? “Promises?”  You honestly think we are heading into the green new deal and that it will be a disaster? 
 

Really? 

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2 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

Words have meaning. Use the correct ones or don't get mad when someone corrects you. 

In what way is AOC crazy? I'm assuming your knowledge is this is limited to talking point and actually paying attention to what she has said. 

What field? 

What on earth is this based on? Coal the second cheapest? Nuclear? What evidence could you possibly be relying on here. Solar and wind have been growing because they are now cheaper than all of those. Prior to that, natural gas hate coal's lunch. Nuclear, at least in the US, hasn't been economically attractive. 

You're woefully misinformed or willfully lying. 

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1 minute ago, gmr548 said:

We're just far beyond differences of opinion at this point. The Republican Party is doubling down on its alternate reality and has shown repeatedly that is unable and/or unwilling to work in good faith. Rank and file partisans fall in line like sports fans. No reasonable person can work with someone who believes the Trumpist nonsense a lot of Republicans believe.

Doesn't have to be this way. 

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1 hour ago, Ridingtosunset said:

I work in this field. I'm very educated in this field. I've read hours of literature and attended many seminars and lectures. I'm paid to know about this. There isn't one realistic path to solving this that doesn't require reducing the world's population by almost half. I spend too much time reading climate policy literature from partisan authors that are writing what they think wants to be read. Invest your money in renewables, I'll be shorting them. 

Wow, that’s some strawman. Don’t pretend you want some kind of elevated discussion of the topic of your post when you’re engaging in the very problem you claim to want to solve. 

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I knew some really smart 20 year old libertarians in college.*

Actually they were assholes. They usually never contributed for alcohol either and thought they knew better than everyone. They’re all in sales and fat.**

sorry you’re a fat, cheap, stupid asshole who thinks you can explain away anything with nobody questioning you.***
 

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** this is true

*** this is a guess

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You're woefully misinformed or willfully lying. 

LCOE of onshore wind and utility solar is less than combined cycle natural gas, even without tax credits. Coal and nuclear aren't competitive. 

https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/aeo/pdf/electricity_generation.pdf

I'm happy to provide more reports from other governments or other scientific studies if that is what you need. 

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9 minutes ago, Ridingtosunset said:

Our capacity to generate is dangerously near the point of intermittent outages in many parts of the country. Not just Texas and Cali. Renewables aren't even in the ballpark of being able to handle it. We could put solar on every roof and wind turbines in every field, won't get us there. Did you guys not learn your lesson in Feb? 

Neon, I'll send you some stuff tomorrow if you're genuinely interested. 

I’ve read all of the stuff. I’ve worked in the energy business for 15 years. I know what our capacity is now, and I know renewables can’t come close to handling the load like South Austin’s mother can, but that has nothing to do with our discussion. I wasn’t arguing renewables were replacing oil/nat now, but within 50 years, and that the transition has already started, by energy companies, by countries, private equity, because it is a superior product. Your argument was it will be a disaster and it won’t happen. Neither of which have to do with current capacity 

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2 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

LCOE of onshore wind and utility solar is less than combined cycle natural gas, even without tax credits. Coal and nuclear aren't competitive. 

https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/aeo/pdf/electricity_generation.pdf

I'm happy to provide more reports from other governments or other scientific studies if that is what you need. 

Haha, brother if you believe that, invest your money in wind and solar. Just get it out before it busts. 

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Haha, brother if you believe that, invest your money in wind and solar. Just get it out before it busts. 

So, is there any point in this thread where you're actually going to write anything of substance? Or do you just want to get negged now? 

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