Ridingtosunsets ride into the sunset Meta thread of genius

[gmr548 16514]

7 minutes ago, Ridingtosunset said:

Doesn't have to be this way. 

No, it doesn't, but it's incumbent on Republicans to get their house in order. The Democratic Party is flawed, the Republican Party is off the rails and dangerous. There is no comparison, and no contest when it comes to culpability in poisoning our politics. But they deserve a pass because of the Green New Deal.

[Ridingtosunset 129]

1 minute ago, Neonmoon said:

I’ve read all of the stuff. I’ve worked in the energy business for 15 years. I know what our capacity is now, and I know renewables can’t come close to handling the load like South Austin’s mother can, but that has nothing to do with our discussion. I wasn’t arguing renewables were replacing oil/nat now, but within 50 years, and that the transition has already started, by energy companies, by countries, private equity, because it is a superior product. Your argument was it will be a disaster and it won’t happen. Neither of which have to do with current capacity 

This is good discussion. Thank you. How much of that transition is subsidized? What does higher energy cost do to our increasing wealth gap? If we do it, what are we accomplishing if China and India don't do it. 

[Celery Man 20886]

2 hours ago, Ridingtosunset said:

This is a thread to discuss the obvious lack of tolerance we have now for opinions with which we don't agree. I have no delusions this will remain civil, thus the need for the discussion. 

I'm looking for discussion on how we got here, social media? politics? wealth inequality? mental health? How do we fix it and can it be fixed? 

My thoughts are we've been manipulated to this point by a) politicians who benefit from dividing and securing voting blocs b) media that feeds on division and hate c) social media that has desensitized and isolated us from real relationships with others d) our own vanity 

How it started

9 minutes ago, Ridingtosunset said:

Just watch the youtube clip, heathens. 

How it’s going

[Dahobbs 17447]

2 minutes ago, Ridingtosunset said:

Haha, brother if you believe that, invest your money in wind and solar. Just get it out before it busts. 

Here, some more stuff for you since apparently you don't believe our government:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/mar/12/wind-and-solar-plants-will-soon-be-cheaper-than-coal-in-all-big-markets-around-world-analysis-finds

https://www.forbes.com/sites/energyinnovation/2018/12/03/plunging-prices-mean-building-new-renewable-energy-is-cheaper-than-running-existing-coal/?sh=5421c49e31f3

https://www.irena.org/newsroom/pressreleases/2020/Jun/Renewables-Increasingly-Beat-Even-Cheapest-Coal-Competitors-on-Cost

https://e360.yale.edu/digest/renewables-cheaper-than-75-percent-of-u-s-coal-fleet-report-finds

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/11/new-year-same-story-cost-of-wind-and-solar-fall-below-cost-of-coal-and-gas/

https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/01/new-study-a-zero-emissions-us-is-now-pretty-cheap/

https://www.lazard.com/perspective/levelized-cost-of-energy-and-levelized-cost-of-storage-2020/

I'm pretty confident at this point that your actual industry is bullshit. 

 

[Ridingtosunset 129]

4 minutes ago, cactusflinthead said:

No. How bout you respond to a few questions?

 

Sorry, what was your question? 

[Biff Tannen 45496]

That YouTube has been passed around on various threads here for weeks and the consensus was he’s an oil/gas company backed hack. But by all means, carry on. 

[Ridingtosunset 129]

Just now, Dahobbs said:

Here, some more stuff for you since apparently you don't believe our government:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/mar/12/wind-and-solar-plants-will-soon-be-cheaper-than-coal-in-all-big-markets-around-world-analysis-finds

https://www.forbes.com/sites/energyinnovation/2018/12/03/plunging-prices-mean-building-new-renewable-energy-is-cheaper-than-running-existing-coal/?sh=5421c49e31f3

https://www.irena.org/newsroom/pressreleases/2020/Jun/Renewables-Increasingly-Beat-Even-Cheapest-Coal-Competitors-on-Cost

https://e360.yale.edu/digest/renewables-cheaper-than-75-percent-of-u-s-coal-fleet-report-finds

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/11/new-year-same-story-cost-of-wind-and-solar-fall-below-cost-of-coal-and-gas/

https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/01/new-study-a-zero-emissions-us-is-now-pretty-cheap/

https://www.lazard.com/perspective/levelized-cost-of-energy-and-levelized-cost-of-storage-2020/

I'm pretty confident at this point that your actual industry is bullshit. 

 

Holy shit. Put your money out there my man. 

[Dahobbs 17447]

1 minute ago, Ridingtosunset said:

This is good discussion. Thank you. How much of that transition is subsidized? What does higher energy cost do to our increasing wealth gap? If we do it, what are we accomplishing if China and India don't do it. 

You realize that China has twice the deployed renewable energy capacity of the United States, right? And that it actually powers a larger percentage of its grid with renewables than the US?

[David Dennison 18659]

Imagine being long on fossil fuels in 2021.

 

[Dahobbs 17447]

Just now, Ridingtosunset said:

Holy shit. Put your money out there my man. 

I don't typically invest in single entity stocks, but I do have some in various renewable companies. Up 50% year-over-year. But that doesn't really matter. What matters is that you have very little time to write something of substance before you get crowd sourced. 

[Ridingtosunset 129]

Just now, Biff Tannen said:

That YouTube has been passed around on various threads here for weeks and the consensus was he’s an oil/gas company backed hack. But by all means, carry on. 

You can find many other really smart dudes that don't give a fuck about politics talking on the same things. Not that Scott does anything but present facts. 

Ernie Moniz for one. 

 

[Ridingtosunset 129]

2 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

You realize that China has twice the deployed renewable energy capacity of the United States, right? And that it actually powers a larger percentage of its grid with renewables than the US?

False 

[TwiceHorn 31283]

41 minutes ago, Ridingtosunset said:

Those and many other problems are best solved by prosperity. Making ourselves much poorer is a shit proposition for helping the downtrodden, social justice, and just about any other social issue you want to propose. 

Well, prosperity can come from decent wages and decent jobs or low prices, or some combination.

We've gone all in on low prices and corporate growth and returns for a couple of decades and I'm not sure it's really worked out that well.

Green energy is more expensive, no question.  But you don't hear a ton of stories about people getting financially killed by their power bills.

As far as I can tell, and we've had a recent pretty vivid example, carbon-based energy isn't exactly turning a lot of profit back into infrastructure.  And it's not like we're paying the cheapest rates under that system.

Green energy is going to require some investment.  If we work it right, that investment can create a bunch of new jobs.  Then we might have to worry a little less about maintaining rock-bottom prices for everything.

[David Dennison 18659]

1 minute ago, Ridingtosunset said:

You can find many other really smart dudes that don't give a fuck about politics talking on the same things. Not that Scott does anything but present facts. 

Ernie Moniz for one. 

 

The fact Scott Tinker is giving a presentation sponsored by the Texas Public Policy Foundation is a pretty clear indication that he does give a fuck about politics.

[Ridingtosunset 129]

2 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Imagine being long on fossil fuels in 2021.

 

Man, I'm long and I'm going to benefit. I don't need to convince. The price is going up, and it will benefit me greatly. I just rather we get educated on the realities of renewable energy. But, like everything else, its a sacred cow that you can't cross the line on. So fucking stupid. 

[David Dennison 18659]

1 minute ago, Ridingtosunset said:

Man, I'm long and I'm going to benefit. I don't need to convince. The price is going up, and it will benefit me greatly. I just rather we get educated on the realities of renewable energy. But, like everything else, its a sacred cow that you can't cross the line on. So fucking stupid. 

Good luck. Hope you get the timing right when you decide to sell.

[Neonmoon 38127]

4 minutes ago, Ridingtosunset said:

This is good discussion. Thank you. How much of that transition is subsidized? What does higher energy cost do to our increasing wealth gap? If we do it, what are we accomplishing if China and India don't do it. 

Of course renewable energy is subsidized. Guess what, so is fossil fuel energy. The government subsidizes energy production because it wants its citizens to have cheap energy. But if you’re arguing against subsidies, I’m all aboard. Cut the farm ones too. That has nothing to do with the fact that renewables will become cheaper than oil/nat within 50 years and overtake them as the main producer of energy. Since it won’t increase our wealth gap because it will be cheaper, that point is moot (side note: would love a thread on wealth gap too). What are we accomplishing by providing our citizens with cheaper cleaner energy? If you’re being serious, I would say cleaner local air, its renewable, so we don’t have to keep spending money to find more of it. More efficient. Less noisy. Less dirty. That’s a few benefits to start 

[Biff Tannen 45496]

5 minutes ago, Ridingtosunset said:

False 

[Ridingtosunset 129]

1 minute ago, Neonmoon said:

Of course renewable energy is subsidized. Guess what, so is fossil fuel energy. The government subsidizes energy production because it wants its citizens to have cheap energy. But if you’re arguing against subsidies, I’m all aboard. Cut the farm ones too. That has nothing to do with the fact that renewables will become cheaper than oil/nat within 50 years and overtake them as the main producer of energy. Since it won’t increase our wealth gap because it will be cheaper, that point is moot (side note: would love a thread on wealth gap too). What are we accomplishing by providing our citizens with cheaper cleaner energy? If you’re being serious, I would say cleaner local air, its renewable, so we don’t have to keep spending money to find more of it. More efficient. Less noisy. Less dirty. That’s a few benefits to start 

Not subsidized but ok 

[Captainant 27464]

2 minutes ago, Ridingtosunset said:

Man, I'm long and I'm going to benefit. I don't need to convince. The price is going up, and it will benefit me greatly. I just rather we get educated on the realities of renewable energy. But, like everything else, its a sacred cow that you can't cross the line on. So fucking stupid. 

It sounds like you more just want to feel better about your investments in O&G, a famously stable equity. As someone who works with several large multinational O&G firms, they are all uniformly hurting and recovering from layoffs and budget cuts. No shit there's not much else to do but go up, but that's hardly an endorsement of the long term viability

[Neonmoon 38127]

1 minute ago, Ridingtosunset said:

Not subsidized but ok 

Are you legitimately arguing fossil fuel companies do not receive subsidies?

[Biff Tannen 45496]

1 minute ago, Ridingtosunset said:

Not subsidized but ok 

👀😮😐

[David Dennison 18659]

2 minutes ago, Ridingtosunset said:

Not subsidized but ok 

LOLWUT?

[Ridingtosunset 129]

Just now, Neonmoon said:

Are you legitimately arguing fossil fuel companies do not receive subsidies?

Yes, you really want to go over this? Its been much cussed and discussed. 

[Dahobbs 17447]

1 minute ago, Ridingtosunset said:

False 

Weird hill to die on:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_China

"China is the world's leading country in electricity production from renewable energy sources, with over double the generation of the second-ranking country, the United States. "

https://www.irena.org/Statistics/View-Data-by-Topic/Capacity-and-Generation/Country-Rankings

[Biff Tannen 45496]

Alright, he blew his wad and is full on trolling now. Y’all have a good night. 

[Ridingtosunset 129]

1 minute ago, Dahobbs said:

Weird hill to die on:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_China

"China is the world's leading country in electricity production from renewable energy sources, with over double the generation of the second-ranking country, the United States. "

https://www.irena.org/Statistics/View-Data-by-Topic/Capacity-and-Generation/Country-Rankings

Now put their coal generation on that graph. 

[Neonmoon 38127]

2 minutes ago, Ridingtosunset said:

Yes, you really want to go over this? Its been much cussed and discussed. 

Here is our owns governments report explaining the subsidies to fossil fuels 

https://www.treasury.gov/open/Documents/USA FFSR progress report to G20 2014 Final.pdf

[Ridingtosunset 129]

Not to mention that no renewable is "green", much less China's. 

[Dahobbs 17447]

1 minute ago, Ridingtosunset said:

Now put their coal generation on that graph. 

Yes, they use more coal. What does that have to do with my statement? 

[Dahobbs 17447]

1 minute ago, Ridingtosunset said:

Not to mention that no renewable is "green", much less China's. 

They all use less carbon over their lifetime than fossil fuel sources. Again, happy to provide scientific references, not that you are able or willing to read them. 

[cactusflinthead 27594]

24 minutes ago, Ridingtosunset said:

Sorry, what was your question? 

How did you find surly?

You arrived on 2/4.

[Ridingtosunset 129]

2 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

Here is our owns governments report explaining the subsidies to fossil fuels 

https://www.treasury.gov/open/Documents/USA FFSR progress report to G20 2014 Final.pdf

They get a deducting that is allowed to all manufacturers. That seem like a subsidy to you? The only other one they get is a depletion allowance, so they don't get unfairly taxed on oil in the ground if prices drop. 

Insane the way you guys speak on something you know nothing about. 

[immamac 42519]

@Ridingtosunset you are incoherently rambling at people and screaming at clouds. This isn't a fucking renewables or energy policy thread. This is you trying to bait people into negging you off the board and it's not working.

I'm all for a discussion on how compromise and communication can be more effective between people who don't share the same opinion of a policy or propose different solutions to the same problem. That's not what is happening here.

[Ridingtosunset 129]

2 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

They all use less carbon over their lifetime than fossil fuel sources. Again, happy to provide scientific references, not that you are able or willing to read them. 

Provide them. 

[Beau Vine 54003]

36 minutes ago, Ridingtosunset said:

Just watch the youtube clip, heathens. 

Lulz.  This is too perfect.

[Beau Vine 54003]

1 minute ago, immamac said:

@Ridingtosunset you are incoherently rambling at people and screaming at clouds. This isn't a fucking renewables or energy policy thread. This is you trying to bait people into negging you off the board and it's not working.

I'm all for a discussion on how compromise and communication can be more effective between people who don't share the same opinion of a policy or propose different solutions to the same problem. That's not what is happening here.

I would respectively disagree on the bolded part, except I keep running out of rep.

[Ridingtosunset 129]

4 minutes ago, immamac said:

@Ridingtosunset you are incoherently rambling at people and screaming at clouds. This isn't a fucking renewables or energy policy thread. This is you trying to bait people into negging you off the board and it's not working.

I'm all for a discussion on how compromise and communication can be more effective between people who don't share the same opinion of a policy or propose different solutions to the same problem. That's not what is happening here.

Yes sir, boss. 

[Neonmoon 38127]

This troll thread has reached its conclusion 

[WhatTheBuck 28712]

3 hours ago, Ridingtosunset said:

This is a thread to discuss the obvious lack of tolerance we have now for opinions with which we don't agree. I have no delusions this will remain civil, thus the need for the discussion. 

I'm looking for discussion on how we got here, social media? politics? wealth inequality? mental health? How do we fix it and can it be fixed? 

My thoughts are we've been manipulated to this point by a) politicians who benefit from dividing and securing voting blocs b) media that feeds on division and hate c) social media that has desensitized and isolated us from real relationships with others d) our own vanity 

Does your apostrophe key not work?

[elfenix 34171]

is a subsidy not a subsidy if others have a subsidy too?

(and lets not forget that the fossil carbon industry relies on using public property as an open sewer without having to pay for it - guess it's not a subsidy to shit in everyone's yard)

[Bookman 4610]

Look, I'm sorry, but a corrupt, incompetent, failed-businessman was elected President of the United States of America. If Trump voters can't take this country seriously, I really can't take them seriously.

[Dahobbs 17447]

37 minutes ago, Ridingtosunset said:

Provide them. 

https://energy.utexas.edu/news/nuclear-and-wind-power-estimated-have-lowest-levelized-co2-emissions

You may recognize the source as having some credibility round these parts. 

[Hookah Horns 3082]

2 hours ago, Ridingtosunset said:

So laying out all the things you think one party did is healthy discussion to you? 

There is no question that Trump/ism, Fox News, and the GOP have gravely damaged this country. You can't begin to address our current level of polarization and intolerance without accounting for their misdeeds. 

[Homercles 10205]

Cant sleep so revisited this thread...and I see it’s going like all the others, except this time it isn’t multiple pages blaming the media and instead veered off into energy with the proverbial ‘just read this pamphlet it explains everything how the moon men are infiltrating Area 51 navy SEALs to control the price of Tito’s and KFC’ video link sponsored by that Texas Public Policy site with articles blaming, you guessed it, AOC.  
 

What y’all don’t know is oil is going to be dirt cheap and plentiful in 50 million years because there’s this eccentric billionaire who bought an island and filled it with genius scientists...spared no expense...secretly brought dinosaurs back to life, and as they die they are making new oil as we speak.  So you better be long on O&G.  
 

You said you could write a book on the subject...well do it here, can’t be worse than that Star Wars/Star Trek fanfic dude way back on TOS.  In fact there were some longcat posts on the Russia thread that were absolutely fantastic on their ambitions with Ukraine, expected strategy and real keen insight into the minds of major players.  There is value and appetite for informative long form posts here...let’s hear it.  
 

I know right now you’re eating paste and furiously masturbating to Pepe memes, so can wait until morning.  

Edited April 22, 2021 by Homercles

[fattyflattie 4636]

2 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

I have been somewhat skeptical of responses to climate change, particularly efforts at global response that put us at a disadvantage relative to China, while not curbing the environmental disasters that basically are China, India, and a number of other developing countries.

All that said, I've always been pro-environment and pro-conservation, and am down for most domestic environmental efforts and reasonable and well-thought out global/international efforts.  I was originally mildly opposed to the Paris Climate Accord, but I've come to understand that it is probably more symbolic than something that will actually disadvantage us.

Fucking this right here.  China says they'll start looking into cuts once they reach their peak emissions, in another decade or two.  

[Tom 2959]

I'm getting some mixty motions reading this thread.

[Chooky 13302]

I want to know the OP's ethnicity so I can hurl racial epithets appropriately according to that particular ethnicity.

[DigglerontheHoof 21064]

Dear Ridingintosunset:

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

 

6 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

I’ve read all of the stuff. I’ve worked in the energy business for 15 years. I know what our capacity is now, and I know renewables can’t come close to handling the load like South Austin’s mother can, but that has nothing to do with our discussion. I wasn’t arguing renewables were replacing oil/nat now, but within 50 years, and that the transition has already started, by energy companies, by countries, private equity, because it is a superior product. Your argument was it will be a disaster and it won’t happen. Neither of which have to do with current capacity 

Let's say potentially superior concept shall we, because the current product is not superior (relative term here) because of cost, supply, and reliability. Once a power wall system is reliable, and energy can be stored, and is relatively cost efficient, solar can begin to build in to a great product for the average consumer.  

I've always railed against solar because the concept just wasn't ready for mainstream use because of the issues listed above.  Those issues are now being dealt with as the technology improves.