Kim Mulkey to LSU

[MotownHorn 1795]

Angel Reese talks trash on the court like basically every men’s player in the last 30-40 years

Implying that she deserves death threats and racist taunts as a result is a take, i guess. A very bad one. But a take nonetheless 

[Beau Vine 54429]

21 hours ago, BeardIP said:

Jerry Jones as a woman.

Except Mulkey win playoff games.

 

[Herpa Derpa 6131]

19 minutes ago, MotownHorn said:

Angel Reese talks trash on the court like basically every men’s player in the last 30-40 years

Implying that she deserves death threats and racist taunts as a result is a take, i guess. A very bad one. But a take nonetheless 

Eh, she talked shit on the court and in the media when she won . Then she cried foul when she lost and people gave the shit right back. She doesn't deserve death threats or racist taunts but that's simply a strawman attempt to evade accountability on what she does deserve. She's a poor sport. She don't have to die but she can go fuck herself.

Dish, take. A simple concept.

[Underdog 28773]

1 minute ago, Herpa Derpa said:

Eh, she talked shit on the court and in the media when she won . Then she cried foul when she lost and people gave the shit right back. She doesn't deserve death threats or racist taunts but that's simply a strawman attempt to evade accountability on what she does deserve. She's a poor sport. She don't have to die but she can go fuck herself.

Dish, take. A simple concept.

 

[MotownHorn 1795]

15 minutes ago, Herpa Derpa said:

Eh, she talked shit on the court and in the media when she won . Then she cried foul when she lost and people gave the shit right back. She doesn't deserve death threats or racist taunts but that's simply a strawman attempt to evade accountability on what she does deserve. She's a poor sport. She don't have to die but she can go fuck herself.

Dish, take. A simple concept.

Again equating talking trash on the court with death threats and racist taunts towards a young woman in her eaely 20s makes no sense at all to me. Theyre very far from the same 

She takes what she dishes (trash talk on the court) just fine. What she dishes out is nowhere near death threats and racist taunts

Edited April 2 by MotownHorn

[Royal Horn 5]

Used to see Mulkey in a Waco area bar when I was coaching in Waco area...talked to her a couple of times...She is a piece of work...She is ranker than catshit under the bed...cusses like a sailor...total wild woman ! Was fairly attractive back in the day

[MotownHorn 1795]

My question is….….shes had a boob job, right?

[Al_4_ISU 12485]

Angel Reese seems like a bitch and a whiner.  She deserves to take some crap for her antics.  Her and Mulkey seem cut from an extremely similar cloth.  The people who make her behavior a matter of race are far worse than she is.  This is 100% a "both things can be true" situation.

6 more days until I don't have to watch Iowa fans use the women's program to hide their shame about how badly we've buried their men's program.

[Pam Cummings 9662]

I can sympathize with Reese but when you are becoming more and more popular that comes with the territory. You simply can't read about yourself on the internet. Which is hard for this generation. Social media to them is like TV to us. They just can't imagine a world without it. 

 

But also, does she mention all that if they win? Probably not. I just don't think that was the time or place, it came off wrong.

Edited April 3 by Pam Cummings

[Pancho 44995]

It also comes with age. 

After last year, Reese was the it girl in sports. Everyone in basketball (womens, mens, NBA, WNBA) was talking about her not only for her antics in the NC game but for winning the national championship. She even had hip hop songs with her name in it so that side of the entertainment world took notice. She had swagger and rightfully so.

But sometimes, you can have all of that swagger and still get beat, which she did. My guess is her age/experience hasn’t allowed for her to understand how to handle all of the highs and lows of the sport you play and the repercussions can come along with it depending on the outcome. 

 

[Js1 85574]

She also doesn’t have a great role model for a head coach. Let’s face it, you don’t send your player to LSU if you want them to be humble and modest and let their play shine on the court over their antics. Can you imagine a player under Vic acting like that? 

[ImissWallyPryor 9046]

On 3/25/2024 at 10:10 AM, Tylerocks said:

I can't remember a coach that is as universally hated than this chick.

 

 

Who do y'all think is the male equivalent to her in basketball or football?

Bob Knight was a huge asshole, but still kind of likable for whatever reason.

Coach K?  

I know Scott Drew is persona non grata here, but do random CBB fans hate him?  I doubt it.

Gary Ward (OSU baseball 1978-1996) might qualify. He wouldn’t let his team shake hands with opposing players, nor would he chat with other coaches before or after games.

2 hours ago, MotownHorn said:

My question is….….shes had a boob job, right?

Nah…

[Steel Shank 9432]

They wanted eyeballs and attention. Now they’re getting it. What they are discovering is that there’s some crazy ass mofos out there. The men have known this.

[Js1 85574]

Reese will get humbled quickly in the WNBA.  She declared this morning. 

[Kermit 3158]

If you’re a proper troll, there ain’t no way you’re reading the comments section. Toddler coach raising toddler players. Get some thicker skin. 

[TommysTinyTowels 787]

If you are a famous public personality in the age of every jackass having a publicly visible voice, you will be criticized and probably threatened on some level. The more abrasive you are the more attacks you will receive.

She is benefiting from her fame and suffering the consequences. Threats are never ok, but famous people need to expect and have a strategy to deal with it. It is coming.

She certainly should express her emotional challenges and frustrations, no problem there.

The issue I have is the context. It was the post-game interview in which the losing team typically says “we tried hard but failed to execute….give credit to the other assholes, they played well….we didn’t respond…. the refs fucked us….” whatever. And that’s it.

It’s like “horns down”. Please do it all you want, just not in the good game handshake line.

Angel’s maturity level had her change the subject entirely from the game and try to elicit sympathy for how hard it has been since “I” won the championship. She couldn’t own the loss, she tried to get everyone to feel sorry for her. Her road ahead will be hard if she doesn’t grow up quick.

 

[Al_4_ISU 12485]

4 hours ago, Js1 said:

She also doesn’t have a great role model for a head coach. Let’s face it, you don’t send your player to LSU if you want them to be humble and modest and let their play shine on the court over their antics. Can you imagine a player under Vic acting like that? 

This is the exact point I bring up every time I've heard someone start getting dog whistley about Reece in the past year.  Because those people all hate Mulkey too, it does seem to actually land.

[Al_4_ISU 12485]

On 3/25/2024 at 10:10 AM, Tylerocks said:

I can't remember a coach that is as universally hated than this chick.

 

 

Who do y'all think is the male equivalent to her in basketball or football?

Bob Knight was a huge asshole, but still kind of likable for whatever reason.

Coach K?  

I know Scott Drew is persona non grata here, but do random CBB fans hate him?  I doubt it.

[TreatyOak 16422]

3 hours ago, ImissWallyPryor said:

Gary Ward (OSU baseball 1978-1996) might qualify. He wouldn’t let his team shake hands with opposing players, nor would he chat with other coaches before or after games.

Nah…

My wife says there are two sets of standards for men and women coaches. She says when a man is a hard-nosed, mean SOB, people praise him for how tough he is and how he makes his players better with tough love, blah, blah, blah. She says when a woman coach acts exactly the same, people call her a nasty bitch who's angry and a monster. I think she's right.  

[Js1 85574]

1 minute ago, TreatyOak said:

My wife says there are two sets of standards for men and women coaches. She says when a man is a hard-nosed, mean SOB, people praise him for how tough he is and how he makes his players better with tough love, blah, blah, blah. She says when a woman coach acts exactly the same, people call her a nasty bitch who's angry and a monster. I think she's right.  

Maybe but Dawn is also a very tough hard nosed coach to play for. She holds you to the highest standard. Dawn is an infinitely better human than Mulkey 

[BurntOrange&White 40010]

4 hours ago, Pancho said:

It also comes with age. 

After last year, Reese was the it girl in sports. Everyone in basketball (womens, mens, NBA, WNBA) was talking about her not only for her antics in the NC game but for winning the national championship. She even had hip hop songs with her name in it so that side of the entertainment world took notice. She had swagger and rightfully so.

But sometimes, you can have all of that swagger and still get beat, which she did. My guess is her age/experience hasn’t allowed for her to understand how to handle all of the highs and lows of the sport you play and the repercussions can come along with it depending on the outcome. 

 

Well and the fact that she carries a 1.7 GPA....so probably not the best learner.

[BurntOrange&White 40010]

1 minute ago, Js1 said:

Maybe but Dawn is also a very tough hard nosed coach to play for. She holds you to the highest standard. Dawn is an infinitely better human than Mulkey 

As was Pat Summitt. 

[Pato del Muerto 52600]

11 minutes ago, TreatyOak said:

My wife says there are two sets of standards for men and women coaches. She says when a man is a hard-nosed, mean SOB, people praise him for how tough he is and how he makes his players better with tough love, blah, blah, blah. She says when a woman coach acts exactly the same, people call her a nasty bitch who's angry and a monster. I think she's right.  

Yeah no. I mean, there has to be some of that for some people because people suck. But it’s mostly about the individual behavior of the individual coaches. 

[Kermit 3158]

4 minutes ago, TreatyOak said:

My wife says there are two sets of standards for men and women coaches. She says when a man is a hard-nosed, mean SOB, people praise him for how tough he is and how he makes his players better with tough love, blah, blah, blah. She says when a woman coach acts exactly the same, people call her a nasty bitch who's angry and a monster. I think she's right.  

My wife told me about our neighbor Linda’s racist diatribe on Facebook detailing the door-to-door salesman that have suddenly infiltrated our neighborhood. I would have much rather had your conversation.

[Bateshorn 9940]

So this scene from Bull Durham, as much as it is played for comedy, is a actually a guide to how to handle the media:

 

There's a reason why you hear so many athletes giving the same boring "110% , didn't get the breaks, faith in God" blah blah speech, that makes you tune out the interview after checking out Erin Andrews:  It doesn't create media ripples.  Angel Reese decided she wasn't interested in the traditional route to handling the media.  She had thoughts, and she expressed them.  For better and worse.  Winning cures a lot of problems. Reese just found out that losing tends to make things unreasonably and exponentially worse. 

America is still an incredibly racist and sexist country. And if, as a celebrity, you elect to raise your profile in the media ecosystem, it's going to come with some very real, unfair, and scary consequences.  That doesn't make it right, but Reese's post game speech didn't seek to tamp down on an already volatile and awful situation, it poured gasoline on the fire. 

Edited April 3 by Bateshorn

[shadow_operative 15932]

31 minutes ago, TreatyOak said:

My wife says there are two sets of standards for men and women coaches. She says when a man is a hard-nosed, mean SOB, people praise him for how tough he is and how he makes his players better with tough love, blah, blah, blah. She says when a woman coach acts exactly the same, people call her a nasty bitch who's angry and a monster. I think she's right.  

pat summit was the meanest, nastiest, most slave-driving coach ever and people revered her. she also kept her nastiness behind closed doors and wasn’t a total cunt out in public. i think it has more to do with how the coaches behave in public than it does with how much a hard ass they are. 

[strangulation! 1716]

33 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Well and the fact that she carries a 1.7 GPA....so probably not the best learner.

a 1.7 at LSU? impressive

[shadow_operative 15932]

it was also hilariously tone deaf when, in the middle of her “i’m such a victim” diatribe she talked about how she’s been sexualized. you don’t say…

angel- you are a women’s college basketball player who is worth 7 figures because you have put yourself, and your attitude, and your body out there, unapologetically. you don’t get to cry victim when there’s a downside to the fake that you’ve actively sought.

Edited April 3 by shadow_operative

[Al_4_ISU 12485]

37 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Maybe but Dawn is also a very tough hard nosed coach to play for. She holds you to the highest standard. Dawn is an infinitely better human than Mulkey 

Exactly.  I don't think of Dawn Staley or Lisa Bluder as bitchy, at all.

[shadow_operative 15932]

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Edited April 3 by shadow_operative

[ImissWallyPryor 9046]

37 minutes ago, TreatyOak said:

My wife says there are two sets of standards for men and women coaches. She says when a man is a hard-nosed, mean SOB, people praise him for how tough he is and how he makes his players better with tough love, blah, blah, blah. She says when a woman coach acts exactly the same, people call her a nasty bitch who's angry and a monster. I think she's right.  

Same with politicians, but female politicians (and coaches) have advantage of being assumed to be more kind and empathetic.

[Mittens 8306]

1 minute ago, shadow_operative said:

it was also hilariously tone deaf when, in the middle of her “i’m such a victim” diatribe she talked about how she’s been sexualized. you don’t say…

 

It wasn't publicized at all, but someone made AI porn of her last week.  That's a long way over the line.

[Al_4_ISU 12485]

Just now, Mittens said:

It wasn't publicized at all, but someone made AI porn of her last week.  That's a long way over the line.

I don't disagree, but this is likely coming for any attractive female celebrity.

[TreatyOak 16422]

47 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Maybe but Dawn is also a very tough hard nosed coach to play for. She holds you to the highest standard. Dawn is an infinitely better human than Mulkey 

I hear you and I'm not defending Mulkey, as I don't know much about her. I'm just stating a general truth about human nature regarding men and women.

[Bateshorn 9940]

13 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

Exactly.  I don't think of Dawn Staley or Lisa Bluder as bitchy, at all.

I have no idea what they are like behind closed doors, and I would guess they work very hard to keep it that way.  I thought most of my childhood that Tommy Lasorda was some genial, good natured guy.  I had no idea he had a mouth and attitude that would make a sailor blush.  

[Herpa Derpa 6131]

53 minutes ago, TreatyOak said:

My wife says there are two sets of standards for men and women coaches. She says when a man is a hard-nosed, mean SOB, people praise him for how tough he is and how he makes his players better with tough love, blah, blah, blah. She says when a woman coach acts exactly the same, people call her a nasty bitch who's angry and a monster. I think she's right.  

 

38 minutes ago, Kermit said:

My wife told me about our neighbor Linda’s racist diatribe on Facebook detailing the door-to-door salesman that have suddenly infiltrated our neighborhood. I would have much rather had your conversation.

Think y'all both might need to be here.

[TreatyOak 16422]

1 minute ago, Herpa Derpa said:

 

Think y'all both might need to be here.

LOL. So well done. I can't stop laughing. 

[Al_4_ISU 12485]

5 minutes ago, Bateshorn said:

I have no idea what they are like behind closed doors, and I would guess they work very hard to keep it that way.  I thought most of my childhood that Tommy Lasorda was some genial, good natured guy.  I had no idea he had a mouth and attitude that would make a sailor blush.  

They very well might be quite different behind closed doors, but I don't know that they are.

We know that Mulkey sucks as a person.

[LTtxfan 49356]

2 hours ago, Kermit said:

If you’re a proper troll, there ain’t no way you’re reading the comments section. Toddler coach raising toddler players. Get some thicker skin. 

Yep...   "Reap what yah sow"

When yah talk trash and say "look at me" then you better be able to handle the critiques and criticism that come when yah lose.  

 

[Js1 85574]

4 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

They very well might be quite different behind closed doors, but I don't know that they are.

We know that Mulkey sucks as a person.

They didn't have articles published about them in WaPo about what horrible people they are 

[Al_4_ISU 12485]

3 minutes ago, Js1 said:

They didn't have articles published about them in WaPo about what horrible people they are 

They also haven't publicly thrown their wrongfully imprisoned former players under the bus, and don't condescendingly talk down to everyone they publicly encounter.  We don't know that they've ever encouraged rape victims to stay quiet, or lesbians to stay in the closet either.  

Maybe not everything about Mulkey is verified, but if they were this way behind closed doors, I'd think it would leak more.

Edited April 3 by Al_4_ISU

[Underdog 28773]

28 minutes ago, Mittens said:

It wasn't publicized at all, but someone made AI porn of her last week.  That's a long way over the line.

Motherfucker coming in here and dropping a nugget like this without a link to said AI porn?  Permanent bannation if I had my way. 

[Surly Bevo 25152]

It’s all still really simple, no matter your station in life.

If you meet an asshole in the morning, you met an asshole.

If you meet assholes all day, every day…you’re the asshole.

Present company excepted.

[Pam Cummings 9662]

1 hour ago, Js1 said:

Maybe but Dawn is also a very tough hard nosed coach to play for. She holds you to the highest standard. Dawn is an infinitely better human than Mulkey 

Mulkey seems to enjoy being an ass to everyone. Staley strikes me as more of a "tough love but you'll thank me for it later" type.

[Pancho 44995]

I was reffing high school ball in Austin in 2006. There was a girls basketball tournament at Hays, and Mulkey’s daughter’s team was in it. Sure enough, she comes waltzing in and the entire arena just stared. 

 

She was the loudest mofo in the gym screaming at the refs every chance she got. It was my game off so I was watching some friends ref until my next game. She never let up. Her daughter picked up a charge and she yelled as loud as possible “THATS HORRIBLE, THAT WASN’T A DAMN CHARGE!” And I don’t think my friend blew his whistle the rest of the game. 

 

This was me in the stands:

[TreatyOak 16422]

10 minutes ago, Surly Bevo said:

If you meet assholes all day, every day…you’re the asshole.

I meet assholes all day! Everyone I work with is an asshole. Everyone my wife works with is an asshole.Everyone I deal with in stores is an asshole. Every one of my neighbors is an asshole. I've had terrible problems with every single one of them. No idea why I am so unlucky!    

[Js1 85574]

17 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

Mulkey seems to enjoy being an ass to everyone. Staley strikes me as more of a "tough love but you'll thank me for it later" type.

It took me a while to warm up to Dawn.  She's probably one of my favorite coaches in the game besides Vic (and Collen at Baylor - sue me, she's very much the anti-Kim) 

[Underdog 28773]

6 minutes ago, Js1 said:

It took me a while to warm up to Dawn.  She's probably one of my favorite coaches in the game besides Vic (and Collen at Baylor - sue me, she's very much the anti-Kim) 

Same here until I saw the story on her keeping the trend that Carolyn Peck started by sending parts of a championship net to fellow coaches with a motivating message that it can happen for them.  She seems deeply rooted to where she’s from with the Philly gear she sports from time to time on the bench. 

[dcar00 14365]

Mulkey is just the women's version of Bobby Knight.  lot of people hated Knight and Knight acted like an asshole a lot, but he could coach.

[Rickylovesweed 14541]

33 minutes ago, Js1 said:

It took me a while to warm up to Dawn.  She's probably one of my favorite coaches in the game besides Vic (and Collen at Baylor - sue me, she's very much the anti-Kim) 

Yeah, Staley is just a hard-nosed coach. Nothing about her screams bitch or cunt. 

Staley is very respectful to other teams/players in press conferences.