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FWIW ... from  Roach, in a thread about the weekend. (Cheeks is on his OV.)

 

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Here's what Roach said on 5/27, when he CBed Cheeks to Texas.

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Crystal Ballin: New picks in for the Longhorns
Sebastian Cheeks, LB, Evanston (Ill.) Township

Pick: Texas (Mike)

Confidence: 5


The Longhorns have gone all in on the interior linebacker from Chicago and a perfect storm is forming on the horizon that could allow Texas to take advantage. The Longhorns came into the year behind Midwest powers Michigan and Notre Dame, but things have changed significantly. Credit to Jeff Choate for the work he’s put in on this recruitment connecting with Cheeks and building a strong relationship. I think it’s also important to credit the Texas scheme for doing a good job of showing Cheeks a vision of how he could plugin. At the same time, Notre Dame seems to have backed off a bit while Michigan is in a state of disarray and turnover. Those factors combined are providing Texas with a window in which to strike. Sources are starting to show some real cautious optimism with him, and they could slam the door when he visits this summer. (Roach)

 

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  On 6/8/2021 at 3:12 PM, closetojumping said:

There are 3 routes in today's recruiting landscape for Texas to go, now that the SEC has fully invaded the state with a flood of money and corruption, led by and thanks to the mouthbreathing shit heels in College Station. 

1) Georgia/Tenn/ATM route - straight-up slinging money overtly to recruits, handlers, and families. This works on some level, but there are families and recruits that aren't going to be wowed solely by $50k-$200k, depending upon the recruit. This angle also involves character risk. 

2) Bama/USC/Ohio State - do the deals when you have to do them, but don't sacrifice for character and fall back on being a blue blood with a ton of advantages and the longer game for recruits once their career is over. Cherry-pick the portal as you deem appropriate. (Please don't insult this board's intelligence with some pedantic take involving recency bias about why USC shouldn't be listed here, this is who they historically are.)

3) Oklahoma/Iowa State - find your guys and get them every time, avoid the full-blown auctions because they're not worth your time due to the character/culture clash they usually bring to the lunchpail business. Play the portal to your advantage and build classes with it in mind.

4) Texas/Notre Dame/Michigan - be a patrician dipshit without an apparatus for getting guys you need, claim piety, and roll with whoever your blue blood status still enables you to land. This is no longer an option in this state and this has been abandoned by the staff.

It appears that the staff is going to go the route of option 2. It is going to be interesting to see what happens in the clash between that route and the dipshits in-state and invading the state with option 1. NIL's arrival cannot get here soon enough. 

Bear Alexander and his handler are overtly running an auction for visits, commits, and ink. It will finish in the 6 figures for a player that already shows flakiness with transfers and character issues inherent with the behavior I just described. There's a reason Bama isn't pushing for a guy like this. He's a mercenary with risk all over him. Texas will be foolish to even host him on campus at all from here forward. 

Things went well this past weekend, but let's see who all is wowed by straight bankroll and who isn't. I expect Texas to land a stud class, but the DB end can hurt. Brooks is going to sign with Bama. ATM is throwing money at the problem. Texas needs to sign Allen, Anderson, Guilbeau and Harris. A whiff on most of them will suck because they're all elite in some form. I expect Texas to be fine and figure it out. 

This is a big cycle for all kinds of reasons, and it will tell us a lot about this staff's ability to get things done when they need to while still finding their guys who love football and may or may not be 5 stars, but develop either way into animals. 

Could do more but got to get back to legit work. Sorry for typos, I'll proofread and edit this stream of consciousness later.

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Info always appreciated. 
 

Ctj or anyone else for that matter, not seeing the distinctions between 2 and 3. Anyone that can expand or clarify?  Is 3 no deals which would mean category 4. If 3 are some deals then what is the difference from 2?

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  On 6/8/2021 at 4:12 PM, UncleSonny said:

I'm assuming Jimbo's FSU tenure would firmly qualify as route #1?

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I think he was definitely willing to go full #1, but he didn’t really have to for a lot of his time there because he took over FSU during a time period where UF and Miami were both pretty bad, so he was able to lose 4 games in a bad ACC each of his first two years but still win the vast majority of the in-state battles. He was certainly active and willing to play the games with national mercenary recruits while he was there though. 

  On 6/8/2021 at 4:12 PM, Getafix said:

 

FWIW ... from  Roach, in a thread about the weekend. (Cheeks is on his OV.)

 

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Here's what Roach said on 5/27, when he CBed Cheeks to Texas.

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Crystal Ballin: New picks in for the Longhorns
Sebastian Cheeks, LB, Evanston (Ill.) Township

Pick: Texas (Mike)

Confidence: 5


The Longhorns have gone all in on the interior linebacker from Chicago and a perfect storm is forming on the horizon that could allow Texas to take advantage. The Longhorns came into the year behind Midwest powers Michigan and Notre Dame, but things have changed significantly. Credit to Jeff Choate for the work he’s put in on this recruitment connecting with Cheeks and building a strong relationship. I think it’s also important to credit the Texas scheme for doing a good job of showing Cheeks a vision of how he could plugin. At the same time, Notre Dame seems to have backed off a bit while Michigan is in a state of disarray and turnover. Those factors combined are providing Texas with a window in which to strike. Sources are starting to show some real cautious optimism with him, and they could slam the door when he visits this summer. (Roach)

 

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I find it strange that the most common reports are that ND leads for Niuafe and may not have a spot for Cheeks. Cheeks seems like the clearly better prospect to me. He has the explosiveness and agility you want with the frame to add weight. Niuafe is already almost 240 and looking slow for the college level. That rarely gets better moving forward. 

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  On 6/8/2021 at 3:44 PM, gmr548 said:


That seems to by the staff’s approach. Two and three really aren’t that different depending where you draw the “worth the time” line. It’s not like Oklahoma doesn’t feast on transfers, and this staff is obviously utilizing that option aggressively. It’s the extremely dirty and naïve ends of the spectrum that stand out.

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Yeah I don't understand the difference between CTJ's #3 and #4. Seems like there's only 3 options:

  1. play the game balls deep
  2. play the game but be cool about it
  3. don't play the game

Regarding NIL, maybe I just fundamentally don't understand what it is, but I think recruits are being sold a bill of goods there. Not just by us, but by everyone. Starting QBs will do well, plus maybe star WRs, RBs, and DBs. But ain't nobody going to be lining up to pay OL for their likeness or cast 2nd string sophomore DL in HEB ads (when they're open). Am I a dunce and it's actually just a (wink, wink) way to funnel otherwise shady money to players on the team? Like Big Red Autos or whatever OU was doing, but in a gray area instead of strictly forbidden?

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  On 6/8/2021 at 4:29 PM, tokamak said:

Yeah I don't understand the difference between CTJ's #3 and #4. Seems like there's only 3 options:

  1. play the game balls deep
  2. play the game but be cool about it
  3. don't play the game

Regarding NIL, maybe I just fundamentally don't understand what it is, but I think recruits are being sold a bill of goods there. Not just by us, but by everyone. Starting QBs will do well, plus maybe star WRs, RBs, DBs. But ain't nobody going to be lining up to pay OL for their likeness or case 2nd string sophomore DL in HEB ads (when they're open). Am I a dunce and it's actually just a (wink, wink) way to funnel otherwise shady money to players on the team? Like Big Red Autos or whatever OU was doing, but in a gray area instead of strictly forbidden?

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Are you sure Red McCombs doesn't need 5 O-Linemen pitching cars?

And The Yellow Rose needs a couple LBs to pitch $5 Kamikaze and Lemon Drop shots.

Oh, and maybe McConaughey needs a couple guys to show up in his Lincoln or Longbranch ads.

For sure Tom Hicks needs to have 4 or 5 dudes on radio commercials somewhere. 

In reality, it's not important that every player gets a NIL contract that pays them to be in commercials. It's getting the players to believe that they can earn much more by being successful at Texas - due to a bigger media market, bigger fanbase, and the exposure available at Texas.

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  On 6/8/2021 at 4:29 PM, tokamak said:

Yeah I don't understand the difference between CTJ's #3 and #4. Seems like there's only 3 options:

  1. play the game balls deep
  2. play the game but be cool about it
  3. don't play the game

Regarding NIL, maybe I just fundamentally don't understand what it is, but I think recruits are being sold a bill of goods there. Not just by us, but by everyone. Starting QBs will do well, plus maybe star WRs, RBs, and DBs. But ain't nobody going to be lining up to pay OL for their likeness or cast 2nd string sophomore DL in HEB ads (when they're open). Am I a dunce and it's actually just a (wink, wink) way to funnel otherwise shady money to players on the team? Like Big Red Autos or whatever OU was doing, but in a gray area instead of strictly forbidden?

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  On 6/8/2021 at 4:29 PM, tokamak said:

Yeah I don't understand the difference between CTJ's #3 and #4. Seems like there's only 3 options:

  1. play the game balls deep
  2. play the game but be cool about it
  3. don't play the game

Regarding NIL, maybe I just fundamentally don't understand what it is, but I think recruits are being sold a bill of goods there. Not just by us, but by everyone. Starting QBs will do well, plus maybe star WRs, RBs, and DBs. But ain't nobody going to be lining up to pay OL for their likeness or cast 2nd string sophomore DL in HEB ads (when they're open). Am I a dunce and it's actually just a (wink, wink) way to funnel otherwise shady money to players on the team? Like Big Red Autos or whatever OU was doing, but in a gray area instead of strictly forbidden?

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It's not just ads and the like. 

It's also " appearance " fees. And that's where the money for the other players come from. 

" come meet the Texas o line at big bobs car lot" 

" come see the d-line at this shopping center" . 

This is the answer for every booster that's been pissed texas won't play the game. The guys who don't have the $100 handshake asscess. 

They can stuff cash in these kids pockets all sorts of ways and call it appearance fees. 

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  On 6/8/2021 at 4:23 PM, mantis toboggan said:

Info always appreciated. 
 

Ctj or anyone else for that matter, not seeing the distinctions between 2 and 3. Anyone that can expand or clarify?  Is 3 no deals which would mean category 4. If 3 are some deals then what is the difference from 2?

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If ctj is implying that OU is clean, I'd be pretty fucking shocked.

I think he's just stating they avoid the all out bidding wards and make deals to lock up their targets quickly (where 'deals' are necessary).  That seems to be the main difference to me.  If we're going route 2, it appears we'll get into some bidding wars when necessary (with the caveat that the player doesn't sacrifice the locker room culture).

All of that said, I'm probably wrong with all of the above and you'll never get the time back you took to read this.

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By: Justin and Ian

We begin our journey in Frisco with a top offensive line target, swing down to Duncanville for another tackle prospect, hit the West Coast for a tight end, and finish in Austin with a newly committed transfer tailback. Get some Notebook.

OL Cole Hutson, Frisco (Frisco, TX) - 2022
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How he fits at Texas: Hutson is a big guy at 6-foot-4, 290 pounds, with an ability to drop back in pass protection and move his feet, but he's playing mostly at guard currently and hits his ceiling playing inside in college as well. Where he really excels on film is in 1-on-1 blocks, even against big defensive linemen, turning shoulders and even driving tackles off the ball. He can pull and find targets on the move as well with athleticism which would hopefully allow him to play center at Texas. The Longhorns have searched for years for a center who has the quickness to snap the ball and connect on defensive linemen, including on wide zone plays, while bringing more size and power to the position than your common sub 6-foot-3, scarcely 300-pound centers. Hutson gives them a chance to have such a center, otherwise he's a good prospect at guard with the power and feet to run the full gamut of Kyle Flood schemes. - @Ian Boyd 

Coach says: 
Strengths: Well-distributed weight with a reasonably toned mid-section. Good flexibility at hips and knees. Balanced in and out of his stance with great initial steps in reach blocks, combo and down blocks. Quick off the snap and fires out low with great pad level. Shows a very good understanding of leverage and gets defenders turned quickly. Feet are quick/nimble enough to allow for solid pulls and climbs to the second level. Makes sure contact on moving targets. Shows great power generation from the lower body and seems to destroy straight-up challenges. Very impressive mauler in the run game. Will dominate in a phone booth and drive the bus. Legs are always moving once engaged. Hand placement in run blocks is great. Shows position versatility at OG and OT but I like him better inside. Pass sets look well coached and doesn't overplay the defender. Doesn't give up the inside gap. Opponent tape looks equally impressive as his own highlights. Film isn't just full of him destroying little guys. I've seen quicker and more agile guys as well as stronger guys but this guy is technical and does everything well enough to be serviceable from day 1.

Areas for Improvement / Concerns: Arm length probably forces him inside. More first step quick than fast. Don't see a lot of zone blocks on his film. I would like to see him stun guys more in the pass game. Would like to see the hands put to better use in pass game. Looks a little slow to flip the hips as he tries to get the outside rusher to run the arc but this is strictly at tackle.

How this affects Texas: The Horns were able to host the Hutsons unofficially over the weekend as they got to hangout with Kyle Flood and watch some NCAA baseball. Cole's father, Scott, is a former Arizona State baseball player, and when he heard the Sun Devils were headed to the Austin Regional, it was like killing two birds with one stone.

Hutson is a natural offensive lineman with the unique skillset to play all the spots. Center might be his most interesting position, but his ability to be versatile and also take on guard and tackle spots is one thing that separates Hutson from the pack. If UT takes five in this cycle, Hutson could easily occupy one spot, while allowing the staff to pursue the Devon Campbells, Kelvin Banks, and Kam Dewberrys of this class. Hutson returns this weekend in the official capacity before embarking on trips to OU and Texas A&M later this month. - @Justin Wells 

OL Cameron Williams, Duncanville (Duncanville, TX) - 2022
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How he fits at Texas: Williams is a massive human being, listed at 6-foot-5, 360 pounds and certainly every bit of it. Duncanville usually puts their top guys at guard because the run game and sweeps are such a major component of the offense, but Williams held down right tackle last season with Savion Byrd at guard. Williams is absurdly sudden for such a large human and regularly hits his marks whether you're watching his highlights or investigating how he looks on the highlights of a teammate, but he often doesn't maintain the movement. He'll connect on a defender but then often just lean on them, sometimes restarting his engine to finish the block. There's obvious upside for Williams if he can remake his body and find his ideal playing weight, which would very naturally be safely above 300 pounds. Theoretically, unlocked Cameron Williams could fit at tackle or guard but left or right tackle would certainly be the starting points. - IB

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 Strengths: An absolutely massive human with prototypical height and great arm length. Generally plays under balance. Surprisingly quick off the ball. Hand placement in run blocks is very good. Multiple block types evident on film. Looks to have outstanding hand strength as the defenders have trouble disengaging from his grip. Whips small guys around like rag dolls. Good downfield motor. Always looking for work. Tape against quality opponents looks equally as good. Can't find tape of him losing decisively in pass protection. Good kick step and mirror of the opponent. Very hard to just run past a man this large. Very high ceiling.

Areas for Improvement/Concern: While his first steps are quick and sure, his sustained acceleration and speed fade pretty quickly. Plays flat footed at times. Will engage defenders and stop moving his feet. Frequently gets upright quickly and allows the defender to dictate the leverage leaving him to rely on brute strength to hold or finish his block. Looks a little waist-bendy at times (although not consistently). Not sure I can tell how he's coached to use his hands in pass protection. Can he keep his weight down? Not sure about his being a LT versus a RT.

How this affects Texas: When I tripped to D'Ville in the spring, I asked Williams what was the one offer he'd like to have the most. Answer: Texas.

Shortly after that, UT reached out to the massive offensive lineman and began building a relationship. Now, Williams is set to see Austin on June 25th-27th for an official visit. But he'll have a few stops first. He trekked to Oregon for an official last weekend, is hitting The U this weekend (June 11th-13th), and goes off to Norman for his OU official on June 18th-20th.

Williams is said to like the Sooners and Longhorns right now, and UT continues to chip away at the 6-foot-5, 360-pound monster. Just when you thought Texas was done with Duncanville, they jump back in for one of the largest prospects in the nation. - JW

ATH Arlis Boardingham, Birmingham (Lake Balboa, CA) - 2022
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How he fits at Texas: Boardingham is a really smooth athlete, his first three clips on his junior film include a long kick-off return, a sack rushing off the edge, and a touchdown catch where he wins a jump ball in the air and breaks or evades a few tackles to cross the goal line. Most of the things you'd hope a 6-foot-4, 220-pound athlete could do well, Boardingham can handle. What stands out the most is his start/stop and change of direction ability, which translate into some nasty potential as a receiving tight end in the future. Blocking in the box will be new for him, like it is for most collegiate tight ends. He's a dominant blocker flexed out as a receiver on defensive backs but obviously it's a different deal working in the box against ends and linebackers. With his length he might be able to work on the line effectively as an attached tight end but otherwise working as the H-back/move tight end would be fairly straightforward due to his short area quickness. -IB

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 Strengths: A tall and well-proportioned athlete who looks to be more muscular than his height/weight numbers would suggest. Good length in the arms. Hands look big. A fluid, long strider with a track background, he gets up to speed quickly. Shows above average speed in pads. Great explosive lower body given long jump background. He is a gifted route runner with precise first steps and beats the press pretty well (why are they pressing this man?). Very technical in his execution with great eye level, pad level and footwork. Precise (read: sick) cuts with a pretty evolved route tree evident on film. Stacks the defender routinely and uses his body very well to shield. Judges the ball well and adjusts very well to the poorly thrown ball. Catches the ball with sure, soft hands. Fights through contact on contested balls and generally has very good timing on the leaps. Very north-south after the catch and finishes plays really well. Takes on contact to finish runs rather than going out of bounds. Has a great sense for sideline/landmarks. Good scramble drill. A willing blocker, that could be better with top QB play. Looks passionate on offense and defense. Great edge play on defense and explosive on special teams in kick blocks and returns. Is the first player I can recall high-fiving his blocker 20 yards before the score of a defensive TD. He seems like the kind of kid who could be a real difference maker if his attitude is as enthusiastic as his play.

Areas for Improvement/Concern: Blocking on tape is mostly of the opportunistic variety. All tape is at WR and probably translates as a flex-Y. Curious to see what his measured agility score are since he tends to dominate on his straight line explosiveness.

How this affects Texas: Texas offered the intriguing pass-catcher in late February and have stayed in contact with the four-star WR/TE from the west coast. We believe UT projects Boardingham at tight end at the next level.

Boardingham holds 14 offers including Notre Dame, Arizona State, Utah, and Washington. He'll be in Austin on June 24-26th for his official visit, but he'll stop by Arizona State on June 18th-20th before his Austin trip.

Texas doesn't need to take a tight end in this cycle, but with the way Jeff Banks scours the country for them, they could push at any time. We'll check back before his OV to the ATX. - JW

RB Keilan Robinson, Alabama via St. John's (Washington, DC) - 2021
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How he fits at Texas: Robinson was a blue chip running back out of D.C. that Alabama signed in 2019, who entered the transfer portal and committed to Texas on Sunday. He played in 2019 at 5-foot-9, 190 pounds or so and ran for 254 yards, mostly in garbage time against New Mexico State and Western Carolina. Robinson has good vision running between the tackles and a lot of acceleration to burst through holes and break away for long runs. He did some return duties for the Tide and was mentioned as a potential RB/WR hybrid. Then he opted out in 2020 and focused on bulking up to compete at running back in the post-Najee Harris era before coming back in the spring of 2021 at a heavier weight. With the extra size, Robinson could be an every down feature back, he was already a potential all-purpose back who could do some work as a receiver in addition to working as a traditional running back. For Texas, he could get into the mix backing up Bijan Robinson but also give the Longhorns some depth and flexibility to experiment with two-back formations. - IB

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: Strengths: A compact and well-proportioned runner. Great footwork out of his stance and presses the hole quickly and decisively. Great vision. One-cut and gone runner who will excel in the outside zone game. Exceptional cut, acceleration and top end speed. Has lateral wiggle evident on film and seems like a slippery menace. Legs move on contact and is always leaning forward. Does not give up on plays and always seems to get something for his efforts. Sark knows him from Alabama so he's a known commodity to the staff.

Areas for Improvement/Concern: A lot of unknowns as there is limited film on this player. Pass protection/receiving are unknown. Hasn't played meaningful football in a while. Build and durability likely different now.

How this affects Texas: When UT snagged the transfer from Alabama, it instantly injected speed into the program. Robinson adds a dimension to the running back room it sorely needed. With Bijan Robinson and Roschon Johnson, the tailback spot is solid. But adding Jonathon Brooks and Keilan Robinson to the room this offseason, it could prove invaluable for a position short on numbers over the last few seasons. Texas essentially added a four-star ball-carrier with Alabama experience and eligibility. Well done, Sark. - JW

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  On 6/8/2021 at 5:11 PM, Jester said:

If ctj is implying that OU is clean, I'd be pretty fucking shocked.

I think he's just stating they avoid the all out bidding wards and make deals to lock up their targets quickly (where 'deals' are necessary).  That seems to be the main difference to me.  If we're going route 2, it appears we'll get into some bidding wars when necessary (with the caveat that the player doesn't sacrifice the locker room culture).

All of that said, I'm probably wrong with all of the above and you'll never get the time back you took to read this.

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OU has had commits/leans bought out from under them over the past five years by various SEC schools 

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  On 6/8/2021 at 6:58 PM, BurntOrange&White said:

I'm fairly certain our photo shoots will look a lot different once the south end zone is completed. 

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Some of them, probably, but both our Nashvegas thing and aggy's Rogue One knockoff were just conversions of a large empty room with some temporary custom set dressing, which will probably always be a piece of the process.

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  On 6/8/2021 at 3:12 PM, closetojumping said:

There are 3 routes in today's recruiting landscape for Texas to go, now that the SEC has fully invaded the state with a flood of money and corruption, led by and thanks to the mouthbreathing shit heels in College Station. 

1) Georgia/Tenn/ATM route - straight-up slinging money overtly to recruits, handlers, and families. This works on some level, but there are families and recruits that aren't going to be wowed solely by $50k-$200k, depending upon the recruit. This angle also involves character risk. 

2) Bama/USC/Ohio State - do the deals when you have to do them, but don't sacrifice for character and fall back on being a blue blood with a ton of advantages and the longer game for recruits once their career is over. Cherry-pick the portal as you deem appropriate. (Please don't insult this board's intelligence with some pedantic take involving recency bias about why USC shouldn't be listed here, this is who they historically are.)

3) Oklahoma/Iowa State - find your guys and get them every time, avoid the full-blown auctions because they're not worth your time due to the character/culture clash they usually bring to the lunch pail business. Play the portal to your advantage and build classes with it in mind.

4) Texas/Notre Dame/Michigan - be a patrician dipshit without an apparatus for getting guys you need, claim piety, and roll with whoever your blue blood status still enables you to land. This is no longer an option in this state and this has been abandoned by the staff.

It appears that the staff is going to go the route of option 2. It is going to be interesting to see what happens in the clash between that route and the dipshits in-state and invading the state with option 1. NIL's arrival cannot get here soon enough. 

Bear Alexander and his handler are overtly running an auction for visits, commits, and ink. It will finish in the 6 figures for a player that already shows flakiness with transfers and character issues inherent with the behavior I just described. There's a reason Bama isn't pushing for a guy like this. He's a mercenary with risk all over him. Texas will be foolish to even host him on campus at all from here forward. 

Things went well this past weekend, but let's see who all is wowed by straight bankroll and who isn't. I expect Texas to land a stud class, but the DB end can hurt. Brooks is going to sign with Bama. ATM is throwing money at the problem. Texas needs to sign Allen, Anderson, Guilbeau and Harris. A whiff on most of them will suck because they're all elite in some form. I expect Texas to be fine and figure it out. 

This is a big cycle for all kinds of reasons, and it will tell us a lot about this staff's ability to get things done when they need to while still finding their guys who love football and may or may not be 5 stars, but develop either way into animals. 

Could do more but got to get back to legit work. Sorry for typos, I'll proofread and edit this stream of consciousness later.

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I didn't think this was that confusing. 

Regarding #2, most schools can't do it because they either can't play or they're not a blue blood/near-blue blood program. It's not a portal dependent strategy when the program is stable. The portal generally will benefit these programs as they can always cherry-pick and it also makes it easier to dump out of talent on campus that has proven itself to not be above replacement value. 

Regarding #3, the portal will be a major component for how these programs continue to roster build and/or they will pursue players that they can lock into without having to compete with Bama or Texas that can still get them to a top 5 level of performance nationally. OU is more the former, although they've taken the latter approach on defense the past few years and have been punished when they didn't, while ISU is the latter in exemplary fashion. Programs in this category will do a deal if they have to and don't feel like they're just going to be a hat thrown into the ring and they believe in the player, but bleh overall on it. Auctions don't favor them and usually don't fit the culture, either. If OU were going to be less portal dependent, they'd fit more into group #2, but the recent word and the existing data both point to Riley viewing the portal as worthy of a chunk of his yearly numbers to the tune of 5-8 guys a year. 

People arguing that Texas looks more like #3, sure, that's right now and wasn't the intent of the post. The program is going to try to use most of its numbers on high school prospects and use its brand to grab 1-3 guys a year that move the program further up the ladder towards or within the elite. Up or Out, the bottom 10% will always need to be cleaning their lockers out. 

I was going back and forth on this notion in some depth with a guy involved with it all and if you start trying to just bucket P5 teams into one of the four categories by conference, it becomes pretty easy. 

For example, the Pac 12:

Washington - #3

Washington State - #3

Oregon - #1

Oregon State - #3

Stanford - #2 (we could argue they're #4, but Harbaugh and Shaw have both gotten some shit done when they needed to at Stanford)

Cal - #3

USC - #2

UCLA - #4

ASU - #2 (the only fuzzy one for me because you can argue they're not a "near-blue blood" but they're acting like it and butting heads with the powers across the country for players and starting to pick some of them up)

UA - #3/fucked up/unknown due to new staff

Utah - #3 (they might actually be the perfect example of #3)

CU - #3

 

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  On 6/8/2021 at 7:19 PM, closetojumping said:

I didn't think this was that confusing. 

Regarding #2, most schools can't do it because they either can't play or they're not a blue blood/near-blue blood program. It's not a portal dependent strategy when the program is stable. The portal generally will benefit these programs as they can always cherry-pick and it also makes it easier to dump out of talent on campus that has proven itself to not be above replacement value. 

Regarding #3, the portal will be a major component for how these programs continue to roster build and/or they will pursue players that they can lock into without having to compete with Bama or Texas that can still get them to a top 5 level of performance nationally. OU is more the former, although they've taken the latter approach on defense the past few years and have been punished when they didn't, while ISU is the latter in exemplary fashion. Programs in this category will do a deal if they have to and don't feel like they're just going to be a hat thrown into the ring and they believe in the player, but bleh overall on it. Auctions don't favor them and usually don't fit the culture, either. If OU were going to be less portal dependent, they'd fit more into group #2, but the recent word and the existing data both point to Riley viewing the portal as worthy of a chunk of his yearly numbers to the tune of 5-8 guys a year. 

People arguing that Texas looks more like #3, sure, that's right now and wasn't the intent of the post. The program is going to try to use most of its numbers on high school prospects and use its brand to grab 1-3 guys a year that move the program further up the ladder towards or within the elite. Up or Out, the bottom 10% will always need to be cleaning their lockers out. 

I was going back and forth on this notion in some depth with a guy involved with it all and if you start trying to just bucket P5 teams into one of the four categories by conference, it becomes pretty easy. 

For example, the Pac 12:

Washington - #3

Washington State - #3

Oregon - #1

Oregon State - #3

Stanford - #2 (we could argue they're #4, but Harbaugh and Shaw have both gotten some shit done when they needed to at Stanford)

Cal - #3

USC - #2

UCLA - #4

ASU - #2 (the only fuzzy one for me because you can argue they're not a "near-blue blood" but they're acting like it and butting heads with the powers across the country for players and starting to pick some of them up)

UA - #3/fucked up/unknown due to new staff

Utah - #3 (they might actually be the perfect example of #3)

CU - #3

 

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any word on how our "recruiting infrastructure" is coming regarding moving from #4 category to #2?

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  On 6/8/2021 at 7:25 PM, Viper said:

any word on how our "recruiting infrastructure" is coming regarding moving from #4 category to #2?

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Some folks think the right steps are being taken and some folks think we're trying to solve the right problems with the wrong people and tools. So, you got me. 

Here's how we'll know which is correct. Does Texas sign Evan Stewart? Do they sign Kelvin Banks? These are guys that want to come to Texas. Neither are overtly running an auction, but both are 5 star players that everyone is going to pursue up to the end and if Texas makes it hard on itself, well, I doubt either guy winds up at UT.

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  On 6/8/2021 at 1:44 PM, tokamak said:

We're not getting Ewers. The $9.95ers are just keeping that alive for clicks.

People seem to feel legitimately pretty good about Manning. Apparently the family likes Sark a lot. Let's be realistic, though - there's at least 18 months left until he can sign, and all the national powerhouses will be recruiting him. If someone told me that we had like a 25% shot at this juncture, I'd feel pretty good about that.

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Manning is going to be a slugfest, but fortunately I highly doubt that bags will be a deciding factor in the recruitment. That negates the SEC draw to an extent. I am concerned that BlowU gets into this one, Clemson, and maybe a USC as legitimate threats. 

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  On 6/8/2021 at 8:17 PM, Vertigo said:

Manning is going to be a slugfest, but fortunately I highly doubt that bags will be a deciding factor in the recruitment. That negates the SEC draw to an extent. I am concerned that BlowU gets into this one, Clemson, and maybe a USC as legitimate threats. 

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OU is going after Malachi Nelson (it is widely believed that he is a silent to them). USC will be irrelevant in this recruitment unless they get a massive upgrade at head coach.

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  On 6/8/2021 at 8:17 PM, Vertigo said:

Manning is going to be a slugfest, but fortunately I highly doubt that bags will be a deciding factor in the recruitment. That negates the SEC draw to an extent. I am concerned that BlowU gets into this one, Clemson, and maybe a USC as legitimate threats. 

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The schools who could potentially hop in outside of Texas and Clemson are Bama and Georgia, unless you're taking Ole Miss, Tennessee, LSU, etc seriously here, which I'm not 

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(Nick Harris) Checking in on how visits went for Texas targets across the country

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(Blake Alderman - Gators247) 5-star WR Evan Stewart details Florida official visit

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  On 6/8/2021 at 7:32 PM, closetojumping said:

Some folks think the right steps are being taken and some folks think we're trying to solve the right problems with the wrong people and tools. So, you got me. 

Here's how we'll know which is correct. Does Texas sign Evan Stewart? Do they sign Kelvin Banks? These are guys that want to come to Texas. Neither are overtly running an auction, but both are 5 star players that everyone is going to pursue up to the end and if Texas makes it hard on itself, well, I doubt either guy winds up at UT.

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You'd sure think Sark and Jeff Banks know how to set it up right. But you know Aggy is going to drop a fat bag on K Banks so we best be prepared

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what's the relationship with Stewart and Jaquavion Fraziars?

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  On 6/8/2021 at 8:48 PM, Tex-19 said:

You'd sure think Sark and Jeff Banks know how to set it up right. But you know Aggy is going to drop a fat bag on K Banks so we best be prepared

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That's...not how this works at all. "How to set it up right." Coaches are by and large not exactly the cream of the intellectual crop, do you think they're who makes this engine go? 

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Supposedly Bryce is already going back to Aggy tomorrow. Not great

Just like when Sark was first hired, seems like Aggy is trying to race out quick and lock people in before they take other visits while we're taking a more patient approach. We gotta make sure we get guys on campus before they take the Aggy bags

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