Texas Recruiting Notes 2022 - Idiotic Slapfights Unrelated To 2022 Recruiting

[SquishMitten 10428]

You’re being an aggy and distorting reality. Look colt should have won the heisman over Bradford right…Vince over bush right? You think Mack ever sat anybody down and said listen son we should have won a heisman so come here because we win imaginary heisman awards? The reality is Jimbo gets to sell 4 years of stability, a 9-1 record playing all secsecsec teams and ending the year in the top 4. 18 year old kids will eat that shit up. It doesn’t matter that you think they don’t deserve it lol. 

Ok, cool. Hook em

[Burntcowboy 1845]

 

[Ricky Butler 2732]

3 minutes ago, Burntcowboy said:

I saw Nick Harris like liked Anderson’s commit to aggy, WTF. He can DM congrats, but why like the video of this kid picking aggy over us?  It doesn’t make sense to me. If you don’t pick Texas, you’re dead to me. 

Are you joking? Those guys have to maintain relationships with everyone to do their job.

[Ricky Butler 2732]

Just now, Burntcowboy said:

 

RCB05 is what you call a "try hard."

[Burntcowboy 1845]

6 minutes ago, Ricky Butler said:

Are you joking? Those guys have to maintain relationships with everyone to do their job.

No I’m not. He can send a private message of congratulations on your commitment. It rubs me the wrong way. 

[Burntcowboy 1845]

 

[Burntcowboy 1845]

Who ran Brad Kellner off?

[henrygandorf 29194]

31 minutes ago, Burntcowboy said:

I have an avid aggy friend who thinks Banks is overrated as a recruiter. He said he was always in the top 2 or 3 for recruits but never closed while he was at aggy

that's what happens when they assign you to a bunch of top recruits.  you can't close them all, especially not to college station.

[stork642 4498]

1 hour ago, D3zii said:

Unfortunately we’re gonna lose more recruits because of this…..

we have to show up on the field this year to get away from this stigma 

Was the kitchen sink full of crab legs?

[Burntcowboy 1845]

1 minute ago, henrygandorf said:

that's what happens when they assign you to a bunch of top recruits.  you can't close them all, especially not to college station.

I don’t know what his actual close rate was but he acted like Bans was a subpar recruiter at aggy 

[henrygandorf 29194]

Just now, Burntcowboy said:

I don’t know what his actual close rate was but he acted like Bans was a subpar recruiter at aggy 

i know the odds likely do not support this, but there's a small chance you might be dealing with a delusional aggy fan.

it happens.

[stork642 4498]

34 minutes ago, Burntcowboy said:

I saw Nick Harris like liked Anderson’s commit to aggy, WTF. He can DM congrats, but why like the video of this kid picking aggy over us?  It doesn’t make sense to me. If you don’t pick Texas, you’re dead to me. 

He’s playing the long game.  He’s really recruited Bryce’s future kid.  Chess.  

[Burntcowboy 1845]

1 minute ago, henrygandorf said:

i know the odds likely do not support this, but there's a small chance you might be dealing with a delusional aggy fan.

it happens.

Oh he is definitely somewhat delusional, he’s usually fairly honest about expectations 

[Lonestar4.8 68]

I saw Nick Harris like liked Anderson’s commit to aggy, WTF. He can DM congrats, but why like the video of this kid picking aggy over us?  It doesn’t make sense to me. If you don’t pick Texas, you’re dead to me. 

Time to mass unfollow these kids going elsewhere. No NIL deals for kids with 100 followers.

[fattyflattie 4638]

48 minutes ago, Burntcowboy said:

 

#AllHopeNoTrophies

Who the fuck is this asshole?

[Chili dog 1787]

38 minutes ago, Burntcowboy said:

Who ran Brad Kellner off?

What are you talking about?

[Burntcowboy 1845]

2 minutes ago, Chili dog said:

What are you talking about?

 

[RGBIII 22840]

58 minutes ago, Burntcowboy said:

I saw Nick Harris like liked Anderson’s commit to aggy, WTF. He can DM congrats, but why like the video of this kid picking aggy over us?  It doesn’t make sense to me. If you don’t pick Texas, you’re dead to me. 

Because he’s not a “fan” he’s a “journalist” these 995ers make connections with these kids and become friendly. Last thing they should and will do is cold shoulder or shit all over them

[Burntcowboy 1845]

1 minute ago, RGBIII said:

Because he’s not a “fan” he’s a “journalist” these 995ers make connections with these kids and become friendly. Last thing they should and will do is cold shoulder or shit all over them

Ok, I thought he was more like Roach and was a fan of UT. I’m just pissed these freakin kids pick them ags over us 

[Burntcowboy 1845]

 

[stork642 4498]

1 minute ago, Burntcowboy said:

 

Finkleymass??

[RGBIII 22840]

8 minutes ago, Burntcowboy said:

Ok, I thought he was more like Roach and was a fan of UT. I’m just pissed these freakin kids pick them ags over us 

I think he might be but it’s still deeper than that. They can’t give a fuck where the kids go as to not burn any bridges

[MuellerHorn 4290]

2 hours ago, SquishMitten said:

I’ll admit there’s a difference between HC and non-HC, but if Meyer or Saban had come here in one of the last cycles, would you be making the same point of “well they haven’t done shit at Texas yet?” You’re stating and buying in to the same negative recruiting that the HS players are. Unfortunately, Sark does have to prove himself to get over that argument, but someone over the age of 18 should be able to acknowledge that it’s not a well founded selling point.

You kind of just proved my point - you can't compare the pull of Sark to that of Saban and Meyer (of course it would be different with either of those two). So, you can't just automatically assume that with a coach like Sark, who I very much like, but who has not had tremendous success as a head coach, to change the perception of the program overnight. He's going to have to develop that perception.

[Burntcowboy 1845]

 

[MichaelDicksonFanClub 2904]

18 minutes ago, stork642 said:

Finkleymass??

Probably not

[Ghost of Shag 2615]

Those of you entertaining the idea of us getting Evan Stewart are kidding yourselves.

[Burntcowboy 1845]

 

[Ricky Butler 2732]

34 minutes ago, Ghost of Shag said:

Those of you entertaining the idea of us getting Evan Stewart are kidding yourselves.

Yeah, he'd never commit to a school like Texas.

[Fondren & Main 6739]

3 hours ago, Michael Knight said:

Its almost as if kids are fucking stupid and will believe anything anyone tells them. Texas has a bad record the past 10 years! In the past 10 years Texas has gone 74-52 while Aggy has gone 84-43 besides their magical season of losing to Alabama their best record was 9 years ago at 11-2 with a Heisman trophy winner and then followed it up with 8 years of  averaging 8.25 wins. They've won 3 bowl games in a row we've won 4. We won 10 games 3 years ago they won 10 games 9 years ago. We do nothing with highly ranked players they do nothing with highly ranked players. They had 4 players drafter we had 5 players drafted. Aggy has sucked just as much as we have yet no one cares because no one cares about Aggy and all their recruiting pitch amounts to is come play in the SEC.

Thanks for the reminder that no matter how shitty things get we aren’t aggy.  I chortled and now I feel better.

[Mo Horn 8854]

3 hours ago, D3zii said:

Unfortunately we’re gonna lose more recruits because of this…..

we have to show up on the field this year to get away from this stigma 

Yea, it's going to take a bit to put the last few years behind us. Jimbo has been there a while now. Win on the field, and start building rep. Until then we're going to lose a lot of close recruiting battles. 

[Michael Knight 12994]

1 minute ago, Mo Horn said:

Yea, it's going to take a bit to put the last few years behind us. Jimbo has been there a while now. Win on the field, and start building rep. Until then we're going to lose a lot of close recruiting battles. 

Jimbo has been there 3 years and has had literally 1 season where they didn't lose 4 games

[futureman 22542]

2 minutes ago, Michael Knight said:

Jimbo has been there 3 years and has had literally 1 season where they didn't lose 4 games

yeah but last year they finished #4. kids today are soft pussies and have short memories. 

[Mo Horn 8854]

1 minute ago, Michael Knight said:

Jimbo has been there 3 years and has had literally 1 season where they didn't lose 4 games

And Sark has been at Texas 0 years and has nothing to show. As others have said, jimbo has been developing relationships with these recruits, and even if they don't have a lot of wins, nobody knows what Sark is going to do. 

[Michael Knight 12994]

1 minute ago, futureman said:

yeah but last year they finished #4. kids today are soft pussies and have short memories. 

[futureman 22542]

Just now, Michael Knight said:

check the final AP poll, chief. 

[Stunns38 3548]

Like many of you said, time to win on the field if we want recruiting to pick up. We can no longer sell hope. We’ve had 10 years of Instability dating back to bad Mack. Revolving door of just not head coaches but assistants and coordinators. We need some continuity (and wins). No need to overthink.

[Michael Knight 12994]

3 minutes ago, futureman said:

check the final AP poll, chief. 

You mean the poll that doesn't even count for anything anymore?

[futureman 22542]

6 minutes ago, Michael Knight said:

You mean the poll that doesn't even count for anything anymore?

don’t be fatuous. aggy finished 4th in the AP and coaches polls. it matters to recruiting. does that make you uncomfortable?

Edited August 7, 2021 by futureman

[ShowMeALoss 143]

You know things are bad when Machinator disappears.

You know things are really bad when Satya has stopped trying to tell us how much we suck.

You know things have hit the rock bottom when Texifornia stops posting recruit tweets, starts policing the boards instead. 

Only Lord CTJ can lift our spirits now with some fairytales.

 

[BurntOrange&White 40003]

26 minutes ago, futureman said:

check the final AP poll, chief. 

If you didn’t make the playoff you’re not top 4 

[TxTower 652]

Its almost as if kids are fucking stupid and will believe anything anyone tells them.

Almost? They’re 17/18. We’re not recruiting against Harvard or Ivy League schools. These kids all have an eye on the league and will believe whoever seems “real” to them.

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[futureman 22542]

6 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

If you didn’t make the playoff you’re not top 4 

[Octavian 1025]

The reality is that the 2022 class is likely upside capped at this point, probably to the 5-10 rank range CTJ mentioned earlier this year. That too, only likely to be reached if we deliver on the field (meaning the only game we possibly lose is RRS during the season) and close some remaining high ranked prospects later this year. Otherwise this class is probably doomed to be a worse than 10th ranked class.

The good news is that the foundation for 2023 class relationships seem to be laid well, even with some top OOS prospects. So if Sark and Co. do execute this year, 2023 could easily be a top 3 class.

[WinningIsHard 4088]

51 minutes ago, Michael Knight said:

Jimbo has been there 3 years and has had literally 1 season where they didn't lose 4 games

Jimbo fisher for all his short comings and all our anger towards him has a 109-33 overall head coaching record man with a title to show off. I don’t know if I can get you to set your Texas bias aside for just a second but Sark can’t even attempt to bring up his head coaching past. You love Texas but to a kid and his father…that’s not even an arguable point. In fact it made me sad typing that shit out. There are so many negatives right now it’s amazing we have a top 15 class. I’m proud of these bastards. 

Edited August 7, 2021 by WinningIsHard
English is real hard

[SL Xpress 7518]

I don't understand why any of this stuff matters. Jimbo Fisher has a better track record as a head coach than Sarkisian, both at Florida State and A&M, versus Washington and USC. Saban, Swinney, Mack Brown, Orgeron, and Jimbo Fisher are part of an elite group of active head coaches who have actually won a national championship. Anything Sarkisian did as an assistant at Alabama can easily be credited to Saban instead.

But in the end people make these types of decisions emotionally, then rationalize them afterwards. That's not just true for 18 year old kids, although them especially. That's simply sales 101 for anyone. 

The fact remains Sarkisian is not a witch as a recruiter, at least not at this stage of his career. That's okay. Nick Saban wasn't making everyone googly eyed at Michigan State, either, and it took a bit for him to take off at LSU. Part of how he succeeded at Alabama was getting ahead of the curve regarding paying kids and handlers for unofficial visits, using that as leverage to get an offer, sending out offers like it was coming from the Zimbabwe currency printing presses, and then ruthlessly dropping offers right before signing day to make the numbers.

I see people complaining about A&M paying for unofficial visits. Get a grip. That's been going on for 10 years now in various ways. The only thing that's changing is the amount of money paid. Was anyone paying attention at how many cross country unofficial visits Texas was getting under Herman? He made it part of the sales pitch that he wasn't carpet bombing offers, but still. Don't be naive. Strong's early classes were in part because he was a good recruiter, and at least in part because of race. Herman's early classes were in part because in some ways Texas took the gloves off, particularly concerning working with handlers and compensating people for unofficial visits. Also both of them had recent track records as head coaches that they could sell. Nothing against Sarkisian or the hire, but that's part of the risk of hiring an assistant. 

It makes the NIL bit even more important. Texas at least has to be playing on a level playing field when it comes to student athlete compensation. When kids come on visits, they have to be told by players on the team that they're being taken care of. Frankly, that's even more important than anything done before they get to campus. When OU was cheating their butts off under Switzer, that was a huge part of the sales pitch. The players would explain to recruits how the system worked. They would go around to various alums after a game and get huge wads of cash. The bigger the player, the bigger the payout, but they all got something. 

Think about it this way. You have a special set of skills that's highly valued. You have interviews at three different companies. They all offer you to come in for a 3 day visit, tour their facilities, go out for dinner and drinks with employees, even have someone chaperone you a bit. One business offers you a big payout to take the job, one business talks about the city they're in and the great resume builder it will be to work there. The third business the employees talk about how amazing it is to work there, and how well they're taken care of by the company and the different shareholders, often on an individual basis. All other things being equal, which job are you likely to take?

Never mind that one of the companies hasn't had anything other than mediocre profits for the last 10 years. They have a new CEO, and he was the chief vice president of the number one company in the country!

That's where the sense of urgency has to come from. The better the players already on the team are taken care of, the more robust the sales pitch. The longer it takes for anything to transpire, or if whatever comes about is chicken feed or only for the star players while other programs are doing a better job of taking care of everyone, the more that's going to be seen in recruiting. 

Remember, the final nail in Herman's recruiting came when he lost the locker room. Not everyone, as could be seen by the effort given at the end of the season in the games. But there were plenty of recalcitrant voices. People are a lot more responsive to an asshole when he delivers all the time. 

Anyway, I've somewhat written off this class as the one that returns Texas to elite status. It will be a good class, because Texas. And there's still time to get a few more difference makers. Plus studs can be developed or the staff can find diamonds in the rough. But it's not going to be a top 5 class, and in the end that's where Texas needs to be year in and year out to give them the best chance at winning multiple national championships. Hence the depression, which I get. 

But the sense of urgency regarding NIL is real. And frankly, whining about kids getting paid to make visits to A&M is not helpful. Those days are gone. There's no enforcement agency any more. The NCAA is handing that responsibility to the conferences (hahahahahahahahaha!). So unless you think the IRS is going to step in to make sure those are declared wages (they're not and they're not), then Texas either needs to be doing the same or they need to stay in the Big 12 or a similar dead end of a conference.

[ImissWallyPryor 9046]

6 hours ago, WinningIsHard said:

That any attempt to compare our recruiting to Oklahoma’s is disingenuous. They have been successful for 20 years now with very few hiccups between two great head coaches. They play the semi bags game when necessary and they turn all their offensive talent into draft picks while also sending a few defensive players to the nfl here and there. Texas losing its momentum or not gaining any is because we suck ass…until we don’t. Jimbo just finished the season ranked 4th. The hill has never been steeper for a Texas coach. That’s all lol 

My original post was going to say “username checks out,” but then I decided to get cute.

[SL Xpress 7518]

7 hours ago, WinningIsHard said:

The hill has never been steeper for a Texas coach. That’s all.

I'd argue it was steeper in 1957 when OU had Bud Wilkinson, A&M had Bear Bryant. And while we didn't realize it at the time, Arkansas was about to hire Frank Broyles. 

I'd for sure say it was steeper in 1998. Texas had had some limited success, but football had successfully been deemphasized (by the way, some of the same forces are still at work within the athletic department to this day). People who weren't around prior to Mack Brown have no real concept of how apathetic the powers that be were about football, including the athletic department itself. I do not consider myself a huge Mack Brown fan, but almost as important as that 2005 season (and nothing will ever top that for me) was him making it apparent almost immediately after being hired how valuable having football front and center was to UT as a whole. 

What's going on with NIL currently (or not going on) is criminal towards UT's ability to compete in football in the future. But at least the head of the BOR, the president, and the athletic director consider winning in football important enough that they fired a 7-3 coach coming off a blowout win in the Alamo Bowl mostly because his recruiting had fallen off a cliff. And through some impressive maneuvering, they have us on the brink of getting out of the Big 12, which absolutely had to happen.

I have no doubt that at some point NIL will be delivering impressive results for Texas athletes, because the competitive pressures are too immense. But the longer that takes to get going, the farther behind Texas is going to be. If the NIL part can be answered, even if it's done outside the athletic department, it makes the head coach job at Texas a lot more competitive, regardless of who it is. 

Really, the hill has never been more downhill for a Texas coach. Texas is in one of the largest college cities in the country that has zero professional presence. They have arguably the most valuable and recognized brand. They have one of the wealthiest alumni bases with an intense personal, emotional investment in the success of the football team. The NCAA no longer exists as an effective enforcement organization. There's almost no limit on transfers. There's no real limit on paying athletes. They're about to get out of the albatross of a conference they've been in (which was in large part of their own making). 

There's no excuses left. Either you want to compete among a select few programs who can afford the uncapped payroll for fielding an elite football or men's basketball team or you want to drop out and play in the Championship League instead. There's truly no other program in the country better situated for the new wild wild west of college sports. I am not sympathetic to any kind of bullshit about what other programs can offer. I've been as righteous about the white hat approach that I feel like UT has embodied in many ways as anyone. But the white hat approach no longer exists. 

So no. The hill being steeper is a load of crap. That's not on you, WinningIsHard, because you make good points. It's simply not the correct mindset. It's focusing on how other programs have performed vis a vis Texas, which is fair to a degree. But what it's really about is the incredible incompetence surrounding the football program since 2009 (really before, when Mack Brown decided he had college football all figured out and didn't have to work so hard any more), and how much we've handcuffed ourselves in the name of trying to do it cleanly. Well, there is no dirty, and there is no clean any more. There's only paying players what you're willing to as a collective, managing to get a head coach who can win at the highest levels, and then keeping that coach.

[maninblack 7974]

5 minutes ago, SL Xpress said:

I'd argue it was steeper in 1957 when OU had Bud Wilkinson, A&M had Bear Bryant. And while we didn't realize it at the time, Arkansas was about to hire Frank Broyles. 

I'd for sure say it was steeper in 1998. Texas had had some limited success, but football had successfully been deemphasized (by the way, some of the same forces are still at work within the athletic department to this day). People who weren't around prior to Mack Brown have no real concept of how apathetic the powers that be were about football, including the athletic department itself. I do not consider myself a huge Mack Brown fan, but almost as important as that 2005 season (and nothing will ever top that for me) was him making it apparent almost immediately after being hired how valuable having football front and center was to UT as a whole. 

What's going on with NIL currently (or not going on) is criminal towards UT's ability to compete in football in the future. But at least the head of the BOR, the president, and the athletic director consider winning in football important enough that they fired a 7-3 coach coming off a blowout win in the Alamo Bowl mostly because his recruiting had fallen off a cliff. And through some impressive maneuvering, they have us on the brink of getting out of the Big 12, which absolutely had to happen.

I have no doubt that at some point NIL will be delivering impressive results for Texas athletes, because the competitive pressures are too immense. But the longer that takes to get going, the farther behind Texas is going to be. If the NIL part can be answered, even if it's done outside the athletic department, it makes the head coach job at Texas a lot more competitive, regardless of who it is. 

Really, the hill has never been more downhill for a Texas coach. Texas is in one of the largest college cities in the country that has zero professional presence. They have arguably the most valuable and recognized brand. They have one of the wealthiest alumni bases with an intense personal, emotional investment in the success of the football team. The NCAA no longer exists as an effective enforcement organization. There's almost no limit on transfers. There's no real limit on paying athletes. They're about to get out of the albatross of a conference they've been in (which was in large part of their own making). 

There's no excuses left. Either you want to compete among a select few programs who can afford the uncapped payroll for fielding an elite football or men's basketball team or you want to drop out and play in the Championship League instead. There's truly no other program in the country better situated for the new wild wild west of college sports. I am not sympathetic to any kind of bullshit about what other programs can offer. I've been as righteous about the white hat approach that I feel like UT has embodied in many ways as anyone. But the white hat approach no longer exists. 

So no. The hill being steeper is a load of crap. That's not on you, WinningIsHard, because you make good points. It's simply not the correct mindset. It's focusing on how other programs have performed vis a vis Texas, which is fair to a degree. But what it's really about is the incredible incompetence surrounding the football program since 2009 (really before, when Mack Brown decided he had college football all figured out and didn't have to work so hard any more), and how much we've handcuffed ourselves in the name of trying to do it cleanly. Well, there is no dirty, and there is no clean any more. There's only paying players what you're willing to as a collective, managing to get a head coach who can win at the highest levels, and then keeping that coach.

[6th Street 6495]

I wouldn't worry about missing out on this dude. I remember we were all excited about landing highly recruited DBs like Anthony Cook and Caden Sterns and they didn't do shit. BJ Foster can't even tackle 

[Azbadlands 109]

39 minutes ago, 6th Street said:

I wouldn't worry about missing out on this dude. I remember we were all excited about landing highly recruited DBs like Anthony Cook and Caden Sterns and they didn't do shit. BJ Foster can't even tackle 

I remember when Caden Stern's nickname was "Baby Earl" before he had all that badassedness coached out of him...I'm guessing the other guys; especially Foster,  didn't get developed right either...Or, they just got tired of losing and had no motivation.

Edited August 7, 2021 by Azbadlands