Texas Recruiting Notes 2022 - Idiotic Slapfights Unrelated To 2022 Recruiting

[SarkAfterDark 1691]

5 minutes ago, longhornmatt said:

Chris Beard moved on to Plan B and Plan C and still signed two guys who are future NBA prospects.   Mack Brown era Plan B and Plan C recruits were guys like Ramonce Taylor after we missed on Adrian Peterson, and Tim Crowder, Brian Robison and Brian Orakpo after we missed on other DEs.

Everyone has to take Plan B guys.   The problem is when you lack any realistic foresight so your Plan B ends up being Max Merrill or a CB we beat McNeese State for instead of someone who is still a legit prospect. 

In the era of the transfer portal I think you will see a lot of schools reluctant to reach on those guys and instead save the spots and look to the portal. Sark has already said he isn't going to settle for OL. I imagine that goes for most positions on the team, especially when immediate help is needed. 

[gmr548 16580]

37 minutes ago, Harvdog said:

We will get:

Campbell

Stewart

Harris

We will get 2 of Williams, Banks, Umeozulu, Agbo

[Coelenterate Fuccboi 13119]

1 hour ago, mwaadeeb said:

I've had two bottles wine.

Please tell me you’re a woman. A current starter on the Longhorns would also make sense.

[mwaadeeb 1226]

12 minutes ago, Coelenterate Fuccboi said:

Please tell me you’re a woman. A current starter on the Longhorns would also make sense.

I'm Julius Caesar motherfucker.

[Vertigo 20290]

1 hour ago, satyanash said:

So Sark needs time to get his guys into the program so he can beat Kansas. Makes you wonder why Leipold didn't need time to get 'his guys' into the program to beat us.

apropos of nothing, Leipold brought in no fewer than 12 transfers over the summer immediately after he was hired. Nine of them were on the two-deep that beat us last night. Sark had all of spring practice to work with this team and realize its shortcomings, yet Leipold realized much sooner than Sark did how badly his roster needed a total upgrade.

Umm.. as per usual your desire to twiddle your vag in this thread outweighs facts. He did go aggressive in the portal immediately. Brought badly needed bodies at edge and linebacker on defense, got K Robinson and Worthy on offense, two of our most explosive players. There werent game changers available on D, but we needed some serious help. Leipold cant even field a full 85 this year or possibly even next, of course his transfers are starting.

[Dbeasy 15072]

4 hours ago, alphahorn said:

Maybe their buds because Kirk watches a lot of college football and he's seen enough to know who's good and whom to respect

He’s a freaking announcer and hasn’t played the game in forever. He doesn’t know shit. 

[satyanash 14551]

23 minutes ago, Vertigo said:

Umm.. as per usual your desire to twiddle your vag in this thread outweighs facts. He did go aggressive in the portal immediately. Brought badly needed bodies at edge and linebacker on defense, got K Robinson and Worthy on offense, two of our most explosive players. There werent game changers available on D, but we needed some serious help.

Yeah, the 'serious help' on defense Sark got was on full display last night. Thank God for those transfers bolstering our front 7, without them we'd be so much worse than the 117th ranked rushing defense in FBS, or the 105th ranked defense in sacks. We gave up 143 yards at 6.0 ypc to a true freshman. The players Sark brought in on D have been swallowed up by our general defensive coaching clusterfuckery, just like the players already on our roster.

23 minutes ago, Vertigo said:

Leipold cant even field a full 85 this year or possibly even next, of course his transfers are starting.

Yes, that is my point. Leipold inherited a complete trash fire of a roster from Les Miles, and in just three months promptly upgraded it enough to beat us last night. So forgive me for not being super impressed with the work Sark did in the portal last offseason. He's going to have to do replicate the success he had with Worthy at least fivefold if this team is going to turn around.

[6th Street 6428]

2 hours ago, Harvdog said:

What the basic fan doesn’t get is most recruits go where they trust the coaches and have the best relationships.  Why did Ewers decommit from Texas?  Simple, he hated Herman.  These loses don’t affect most of these kids.  They want to play here and they want to be the ones who bring Texas back.  Some of these kids are simply using the process to create their “brand”. Some love the process and having their ego stroked every day from the best coaches in the country. We will get:

Campbell

Stewart

Harris

We will get 2 of Williams, Banks, Umeozulu, Agbo

The other guys were never coming here. Perkins & Dewberry are front runners and don’t want to be a part of the process.  
 

The portal will see 10-15 leave and replacements brought in to fit the systems. This year has been a ball kick but it’s part of the process.  When we are winning everyone will chill out and stop acting like a bunch of Karen’s demanding to speak to the manager. 

Thanks for this. I needed a good laugh

[dcar00 14288]

35 minutes ago, satyanash said:

Yeah, the 'serious help' on defense Sark got was on full display last night. Thank God for those transfers bolstering our front 7, without them we'd be so much worse than the 117th ranked rushing defense in FBS, or the 105th ranked defense in sacks. We gave up 143 yards at 6.0 ypc to a true freshman. The players Sark brought in on D have been swallowed up by our general defensive coaching clusterfuckery, just like the players already on our roster.

Yes, that is my point. Leipold inherited a complete trash fire of a roster from Les Miles, and in just three months promptly upgraded it enough to beat us last night. So forgive me for not being super impressed with the work Sark did in the portal last offseason. He's going to have to do replicate the success he had with Worthy at least fivefold if this team is going to turn around.

none of this last year portal shit really matters. the problem is our DC is a fucking idiot who sucks at his job and got pantsed by the Buffalo HC.

[Ricky Butler 2730]

1 hour ago, Dbeasy said:

He’s a freaking announcer and hasn’t played the game in forever. He doesn’t know shit. 

Well, he knew Urban wasn't coming.

[C-Man 27234]

10 hours ago, C-Man said:

Have a strong dislike for Herbie but he's right on this one.

That said, I'm not sure he's right that we have the right guy. I do know, however, that we don't know he's not the right guy at this point. He's coached 10 games.

[satyanash 14551]

[Coelenterate Fuccboi 13119]

If only tanking for portal picks was a thing, we’d be loading up.

[ImissWallyPryor 9046]

4 hours ago, Coelenterate Fuccboi said:

Please tell me you’re a woman. A current starter on the Longhorns would also make sense.

Sutter Home White Zinfandel is a man’s drink. 

[Coelenterate Fuccboi 13119]

11 hours ago, Sgt Hulk said:

It’s piss filled with dudes who weren’t coming here anyway 

Get in the the motherfucker, Mr. Sgt Hulk, who thinks Bijan should transfer.

[closetojumping 62747]

7 hours ago, C-Man said:

That said, I'm not sure he's right that we have the right guy. I do know, however, that we don't know he's not the right guy at this point. He's coached 10 games.

The only reason I didn’t neg your tumble down of posts on this thread is because you’re generally an excellent poster. But this is bullshit. This guy isn’t the right guy, he’s a train wreck, stop equivocating for him. 

*****
Beyond C-Man’s collapse here, this is a good few pages to witness the phenomenon of watching guys defend the indefensible. It’s a human psychological thing, but it’s always weird to see first hand. There is nothing - not.a.fucking.thing. - in Sarkisian’s history as a coach to merit giving him the benefit of the doubt after what we’ve seen. He’s not only the OC here, he’s been a failure almost anywhere he’s been, and his current season is the going to be worst in modern UT history. 

Watching @RaysBoomBoomRoom equivocating for such things as keeping Kwiatkowski and reinforcing his role by bringing in his buddy became so nauseous on this thread that I just started negging the dumbfuck. If you read this thread and others like it and wish for it not to become some pollyanna-ish sunshine-pumping apology porn thread for this loser of a HC and his merry band of fuckups, I suggest sharpening the neg-axe as well. I’ve seen boards go sideways when a “liked” coach starts failing and the apologists can’t comprehend it. It becomes insufferable and takes months to clean up. 

In short, fuck any of you mincy twits showing up to this thread to defend what’s happening and offer Kirk fucking Herbstreit’s view up as some sort of legitimate guiding light. 

[Sgt Hulk 13791]

13 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

The only reason I didn’t neg your tumble down of posts on this thread is because you’re generally an excellent poster. But this is bullshit. This guy isn’t the right guy, he’s a train wreck, stop equivocating for him. 

*****
Beyond C-Man’s collapse here, this is a good few pages to witness the phenomenon of watching guys defend the indefensible. It’s a human psychological thing, but it’s always weird to see first hand. There is nothing - not.a.fucking.thing. - in Sarkisian’s history as a coach to merit giving him the benefit of the doubt after what we’ve seen. He’s not only the OC here, he’s been a failure almost anywhere he’s been, and his current season is the going to be worst in modern UT history. 

Watching @RaysBoomBoomRoom equivocating for such things as keeping Kwiatkowski and reinforcing his role by bringing in his buddy became so nauseous on this thread that I just started negging the dumbfuck. If you read this thread and others like it and wish for it not to become some pollyanna-ish sunshine-pumping apology porn thread for this loser of a HC and his merry band of fuckups, I suggest sharpening the neg-axe as well. I’ve seen boards go sideways when a “liked” coach starts failing and the apologists can’t comprehend it. It becomes insufferable and takes months to clean up. 

In short, fuck any of you mincy twits showing up to this thread to defend what’s happening and offer Kirk fucking Herbstreit’s view up as some sort of legitimate guiding light. 

So what You’re saying is.  You’re not a fan of Sark 

[BurntOrange&White 39934]

fuck everything burn this mother fucker down

 

 

[UncleBuck 6454]

I'm past whatever fucking phase it is that allows me to dip back onto Surly and wallow around in the pain.

Do we still have 'croots? Thanks.

[NoName 16356]

19 minutes ago, UncleBuck said:

I'm past whatever fucking phase it is that allows me to dip back onto Surly and wallow around in the pain.

Do we still have 'croots? Thanks.

[Duane Moore 5246]

20 minutes ago, UncleBuck said:

I'm past whatever fucking phase it is that allows me to dip back onto Surly and wallow around in the pain.

Do we still have 'croots? Thanks.

That “Quinn Ewers in the transfer portal” news is going to break any day now. 
 

Glad to see you’re still alive. 

[C-Man 27234]

1 hour ago, closetojumping said:

The only reason I didn’t neg your tumble down of posts on this thread is because you’re generally an excellent poster. But this is bullshit. This guy isn’t the right guy, he’s a train wreck, stop equivocating for him. 

*****
Beyond C-Man’s collapse here, this is a good few pages to witness the phenomenon of watching guys defend the indefensible. It’s a human psychological thing, but it’s always weird to see first hand. There is nothing - not.a.fucking.thing. - in Sarkisian’s history as a coach to merit giving him the benefit of the doubt after what we’ve seen. He’s not only the OC here, he’s been a failure almost anywhere he’s been, and his current season is the going to be worst in modern UT history. 

Watching @RaysBoomBoomRoom equivocating for such things as keeping Kwiatkowski and reinforcing his role by bringing in his buddy became so nauseous on this thread that I just started negging the dumbfuck. If you read this thread and others like it and wish for it not to become some pollyanna-ish sunshine-pumping apology porn thread for this loser of a HC and his merry band of fuckups, I suggest sharpening the neg-axe as well. I’ve seen boards go sideways when a “liked” coach starts failing and the apologists can’t comprehend it. It becomes insufferable and takes months to clean up. 

In short, fuck any of you mincy twits showing up to this thread to defend what’s happening and offer Kirk fucking Herbstreit’s view up as some sort of legitimate guiding light. 

Perhaps I'm just whistling past the graveyard. I'm also realistic that Sark is our HC for 2022 and 2023 unless we have a way to terminate him early for cause. I admit I got wrapped up in the narrative that Saban was grooming Sark to take over for him when he decided to retire, whenever that is. I was also to a point where I would've taken just about anybody who wasn't Herman to be our HC. Sark's OC bonafides get him audiences with Ewers and Arch and other offensive studs. I realize there's more to the UTHC gig than that.

It seemed he'd put together a better initial staff than Strong and Herman though the DC search/hire was odd for several reasons. I want it to work out because I think Sark is a better man than Herman (pretty low bar, I know). I also don't want to consider that we're at least two seasons from cutting him loose -- assuming we don't right the ship -- and starting over for a fourth time since Mack was fired. That's depressing AF. It's also depressing seeing tweets from SEC alum friends of mine poking fun at Texas' imminent entrance into the SEC, shit like Vanderbilt is eagerly waiting for us to show up.

[Codaxx 5783]

4 minutes ago, C-Man said:

Perhaps I'm just whistling past the graveyard. I'm also realistic that Sark is our HC for 2022 and 2023 unless we have a way to terminate him early for cause. I admit I got wrapped up in the narrative that Saban was grooming Sark to take over for him when he decided to retire, whenever that is. I was also to a point where I would've taken just about anybody who wasn't Herman to be our HC. Sark's OC bonafides get him audiences with Ewers and Arch and other offensive studs. I realize there's more to the UTHC gig than that.

It seemed he'd put together a better initial staff than Strong and Herman though the DC search/hire was odd for several reasons. I want it to work out because I think Sark is a better man than Herman (pretty low bar, I know). I also don't want to consider that we're at least two seasons from cutting him loose -- assuming we don't right the ship -- and starting over for a fourth time since Mack was fired. That's depressing AF. It's also depressing seeing tweets from SEC alum friends of mine poking fun at Texas' imminent entrance into the SEC, shit like Vanderbilt is eagerly waiting for us to show up.

at this point the Sark is good or bad, is more about guys defending or gloating about their original position on the hire. Sark is here for a minimum of another season, so I think the discussion is a waste of time. Only thing you can do as a fan, is hope Sark makes the necessary changes. I have faith in him putting up a decent offenses. He needs a legit DC. That DC better be a brimstone and fire guy. I will get on the Sark train if he makes the DC change, brings in a legit S&C coach, and Sark brings in 10-15 from the portal. The rest of the season is pretty much a worthless at this point for evaluation. Sark definitely fucked up, this off-season makes or breaks him. 

[Tex Pete 20402]

1 hour ago, Sgt Hulk said:

So what You’re saying is.  You’re not a fan of Sark 

I’m still waiting to see one legitimate reason for hiring the motherfucker in the first place. 

[closetojumping 62747]

4 minutes ago, C-Man said:

Perhaps I'm just whistling past the graveyard. I'm also realistic that Sark is our HC for 2022 and 2023 unless we have a way to terminate him early for cause. I admit I got wrapped up in the narrative that Saban was grooming Sark to take over for him when he decided to retire, whenever that is. I was also to a point where I would've taken just about anybody who wasn't Herman to be our HC. Sark's OC bonafides get him audiences with Ewers and Arch and other offensive studs. I realize there's more to the UTHC gig than that.

It seemed he'd put together a better initial staff than Strong and Herman though the DC search/hire was odd for several reasons. I want it to work out because I think Sark is a better man than Herman (pretty low bar, I know). I also don't want to consider that we're at least two seasons from cutting him loose -- assuming we don't right the ship -- and starting over for a fourth time since Mack was fired. That's depressing AF. It's also depressing seeing tweets from SEC alum friends of mine poking fun at Texas' imminent entrance into the SEC, shit like Vanderbilt is eagerly waiting for us to show up.

Outside of originally believing Sarkisian was a terrible hire, I really don't disagree with your sentiments. But I don't see why we need any more data to conclude that this guy is not the right guy here.

1) Texas is going to close 2021 with a 4-8 record, a home loss to Kansas, a blowout loss to ISU, and a 7 game losing streak. This will be the worst season at Texas since 1956. Texas finished that season with an 8 game losing streak and then DKR took over and snapped the streak the following season in game 1 by beating Georgia on the road. This stupid fucker coaching currently better thank God every day that ULM is sandwiched between this season and Alabama in game 2 next year. 

2) Recruiting is falling apart. We're all going to hold out hope, I guess, in this thread, but they'll finish with a likely empty set on top targets, with all of them going to schools on UT's future roster every season. This staff looks pretty weak at this aspect of the program, which is, frankly, stunning.

3) The staff overall looks terrible. I was excited by the staff and thought that they might wind up proving the hire of Sarkisian correct in the end. Nope. We all wanted to hope that Coleman would prove himself. He's trash. We assumed PK was solid. Trash. We're not seeing anyone gain much buy-in from the team, and we're not seeing a team getting better.

4) The reality is, this team is getting progressively worse as the season continues. That is a massive red flag regarding the staff. Some clueless fuckers who don't watch other games mocked the notion that Norvell was actually doing better at his gig this year at FSU than what we're seeing. "He lost to Jacksonville State!" Right. Texas just lost to Kansas at home and was down 35-14 at the fucking half. There are numerous programs getting better as the season goes on that we've all gleefully mocked. Tennessee was more competitive with UGa than the score indicates. They've gotten better. FSU. Fucking Arizona. ULaLa. UH. Mississippi State. KSU lost 3 competitive games in a row to OSU, OU, and ISU, recovered, and sits at 7-3. That's what you'd expect a good staff to do. Texas had that same kind of chance. 

I'm tired of thinking about it. There is no legitimate defense for Sarkisian and his staff. There are the tired tropes from his fanboys in the media implying that the problem is systemic at Texas and he's heroically dealing with ferreting it out root and branch. That's bullshit to the core. There are the wishcasters who want to point out brief glimpses of offensive hope. There are the pollyannas who plead for more time. None of that is a valid defense. Anyone with a clue watching can see this for what it is - a laughably failed hire that was a reach in the first place. There will be no recovery for this loser from the KU game and the 7 game losing streak to close things out. 

But yeah, I get it. We're fucked as fans. We get to sit and watch the next 2 seasons unfold horrifically before we get to witness the next experiment. 

[RaysBoomBoomRoom 5742]

1 hour ago, closetojumping said:

 

Watching @RaysBoomBoomRoom equivocating for such things as keeping Kwiatkowski and reinforcing his role by bringing in his buddy became so nauseous on this thread that I just started negging the dumbfuck. If you read this thread and others like it and wish for it not to become some pollyanna-ish sunshine-pumping apology porn thread for this loser of a HC and his merry band of fuckups, I suggest sharpening the neg-axe as well. I’ve seen boards go sideways when a “liked” coach starts failing and the apologists can’t comprehend it. It becomes insufferable and takes months to clean up. 

In short, fuck any of you mincy twits showing up to this thread to defend what’s happening and offer Kirk fucking Herbstreit’s view up as some sort of legitimate guiding light. 

I am not going to sit here and argue with you back and forth because I've seen how that goes since you are the most important person on this board and the de facto guy in charge who has the perfect opinion about everything and you are so smart that I would hate to get on your bad side.

With that being said, I just wanna defend myself by saying that am not equivocating for PK, nor do I think in normal circumstances he should return next year. My position is that it is not helpful in generating any future success to change defensive schemes for a 4th straight year thats just dumb man, especially if we have a shot to get a legit proven commodity like Lake to come and help it all fit together. I am not a Sark fan, I am a Texas fan. For that reason, I'm hoping that he can get things figured out. and like I mentioned yesterday, this is nothing new, Kansas should have beaten us the last time they came to DKR. This is who we are, it's been 12 years, we need to tear this thing all the way down and build it up the right way with a clear vision and not a bunch of mismatch parts who were brought in under different philosophies and for different schemes.

The Ad Hominem logical fallacy is to attack a persons character instead of their argument, I'm no fan of Herbstreit either but he is right in this specific case, rebuilding takes time(at least more than a year lmao). If you disagree that rebuilding takes time then I don't know what to tell you. I understand that you are an emotional poster but sometimes its helpful to engage with opinions that are not your own. Engaging with other's opinions does not mean bullying and silencing so that you can only hear your own voice, but actually explaining why a person is wrong.  Sark may not end up being the guy, but we don't know that after 10 games don't be ridiculous, we suck right now but firing entire staffs every year will lead to sucking forever. We just lost to freaking Kansas, this position may not be popular or what we wanna hear right now but that doesn't mean its not true.

[closetojumping 62747]

1 hour ago, Sgt Hulk said:

So what You’re saying is.  You’re not a fan of Sark 

As others have referenced, I'm interested in seeing someone present a thoughtful, legitimate defense of either the hire in the first place or what we're witnessing now. Or, hell, someone attempt to do both. Hell, I need something to entertain me and mauling some shit like that could do the trick.

[IDIOTsavant 8499]

6 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

As others have referenced, I'm interested in seeing someone present a thoughtful, legitimate defense of either the hire in the first place or what we're witnessing now. Or, hell, someone attempt to do both. Hell, I need something to entertain me and mauling some shit like that could do the trick.

The Dunning Kruger effect is real. 

[closetojumping 62747]

17 minutes ago, RaysBoomBoomRoom said:

I am not going to sit here and argue with you back and forth because I've seen how that goes since you are the most important person on this board and the de facto guy in charge who has the perfect opinion about everything and you are so smart that I would hate to get on your bad side.

With that being said, I just wanna defend myself by saying that am not equivocating for PK, nor do I think in normal circumstances he should return next year. My position is that it is not helpful in generating any future success to change defensive schemes for a 4th straight year thats just dumb man, especially if we have a shot to get a legit proven commodity like Lake to come and help it all fit together. I am not a Sark fan, I am a Texas fan. For that reason, I'm hoping that he can get things figured out. and like I mentioned yesterday, this is nothing new, Kansas should have beaten us the last time they came to DKR. This is who we are, it's been 12 years, we need to tear this thing all the way down and build it up the right way with a clear vision and not a bunch of mismatch parts who were brought in under different philosophies and for different schemes.

The Ad Hominem logical fallacy is to attack a persons character instead of their argument, I'm no fan of Herbstreit either but he is right in this specific case, rebuilding takes time(at least more than a year lmao). If you disagree that rebuilding takes time then I don't know what to tell you. I understand that you are an emotional poster but sometimes its helpful to engage with opinions that are not your own. Engaging with other's opinions does not mean bullying and silencing so that you can only hear your own voice, but actually explaining why a person is wrong.  Sark may not end up being the guy, but we don't know that after 10 games don't be ridiculous, we suck right now but firing entire staffs every year will lead to sucking forever. We just lost to freaking Kansas, this position may not be popular or what we wanna hear right now but that doesn't mean its not true.

A) I'm regularly wrong and mocked on this board and others without repercussion. It's a jellyfish tactic to show up for an argument and open with "I can't win this conversation legitimately because you have your hand on the scales." Either engage in the spirit of an open discussion, or keep that bullshit to yourself. 

B) You were equivocating for both Sarkisian and Kwiatkowski. You know how we know that? Because you attempted to present any sort of defense for Kwiatkowski at this point. It's laughable. At a minimum, the guy needs to go so Sarkisian can have a fucking excuse for hanging around.

C) I've defended noobs showing up here and I've defended people trying to engage even when I disagreed with their views. Stop whining about the tone of the board and engage with your points or fuck off.

D) Does something need to be rebuilt from the ground up? Maybe. Does Herbstreit offering that in the context of it being Sarkisian's cross to bear give the concept merit? No. That's a dude defending his guy, nothing else. Herbstreit has shown quite clearly how he feels about Texas on a regular basis dating back almost 2 decades. The fucking guy picked Texas ATM to win the Big 12 in 2005 and called Texas soft and overrated on multiple occasions leading into that season. He touted Reggie McNeal over Vince Young ahead of that season. Let's not even feign an attempt to hold that fucking guy's take as something clearheaded. Goddammit. 

E) I've walked you and others through why you're wrong. It gets old. That you and others insist on continuing to show up with sunshine lacking facts or data does not merit thoughtfulness in replying. There is a litany of posts on this site walking you through the folly of this hire and why it's now hopeless. Read up or get fucked, your choice. Just casting out there "he needs time!" as a plea is the emotional posting happening here, dude.

Edited November 15, 2021 by closetojumping

[MonkeyDoughnut 10322]

12 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

As others have referenced, I'm interested in seeing someone present a thoughtful, legitimate defense of either the hire in the first place or what we're witnessing now. Or, hell, someone attempt to do both. Hell, I need something to entertain me and mauling some shit like that could do the trick.

Not going to fully defend the hire as was taken aback by it myself, but even now looking back I'm not sure who the better hire would have been at that time (not now). It was clear and seems more clear now there are many candidates we would like that would likely never come here.  After the Urban "no" who really was a better candidate at that time that would have probably said yes?

[ClubWhatever 12151]

We would have a winning record with a good defense.  The only way to salvage this IMO is to moneywhip a fire breathing no bullshit DC who is a leader in their own right and doesn’t need the HC to lead.  Good luck with that, as that guy is either about to be a HC, won’t come here, or works at some Midwest school we would never hire from.  

[RaysBoomBoomRoom 5742]

2 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

A) I'm regularly wrong and mocked on this board and others without repercussion. It's a jellyfish tactic to show up for an argument and open with "I can win this conversation legitimately because you have your hand on the scales." Either engage in the spirit of an open discussion, or keep that bullshit to yourself. 

B) You were equivocating for both Sarkisian and Kwiatkowski. You know how we know that? Because you attempted to present any sort of defense for Kwiatkowski at this point. It's laughable. At a minimum, the guy needs to go so Sarkisian can have a fucking excuse for hanging around.

C) I've defended noobs showing up here and I've defended people trying to engage even when I disagreed with their views. Stop whining about the tone of the board and engage with your points or fuck off.

D) Does something need to be rebuilt from the ground up? Maybe. Does Herbstreit offering that in the context of it being Sarkisian's cross to bear give the concept merit? No. That's a dude defending his guy, nothing else. Herbstreit has shown quite clearly how he feels about Texas on a regular basis dating back almost 2 decades. The fucking guy picked Texas ATM to win the Big 12 in 2005 and called Texas soft and overrated on multiple occasions leading into that season. He touted Reggie McNeal over Vince Young ahead of that season. Let's not even feign an attempt to hold that fucking guy's take as something clearheaded. Goddammit. 

E) I've walked you and others through why you're wrong. It gets old. That you and others insist on continuing to show up with sunshine lacking facts or data does not merit thoughtfulness in replying. There is a litany of posts on this site walking you through the folly of this hire and why it's now hopeless. Read up or get fucked, your choice. Just casting out there "he needs time!" as a plea is the emotional posting happening here, dude.

Point E is a good one maybe I can be too hopeful or naive at times. I guess I just don't like being miserable and I typically look for some ray of hope. I may be wrong in that regard.

There has been tons of data shared on coaches who took over programs and won less games in year one, only to drastically improve in year two. Mich St, Baylor, Cincinnati, Iowa st, Miss st, Ole Miss are recent examples that immediately come to mind. 

Kwiatkowski does not deserve to return next year ive never defended his merit, it has been about the trajectory of the program and its sustainability. 

[kwood4408 765]

At least we hired a DC who only brought in 1 coach with him. I can’t recall ever seeing a Coordinator work out who did not get to bring in his guys. This shit was destined to fail from the start.

[golfclap 6903]

I admit it. I am absolutely dumbfounded that there is a single solitary Texas fan who is on board with Sarkisian in any way shape or form. Every single week he makes a new historic mark for futility. This guy is 10 games in and has achieved the kind of futility that John Mackovic, with a roster of guys who ACTIVELY AND PUBLICLY HATED HIM AND QUIT ON HIM, didn't achieve. Sark has achieved futility in only 10 games that Charlie Strong never reached. Charlie. Strong. He's put David McWilliams in the rearview and he hasn't finished a single season. He's historically terrible. 

For those of you that think that the Kansas loss was the bottom, I have news for you about what 2022 is going to be. 

 

[Lonestar88 4697]

58 minutes ago, C-Man said:

Perhaps I'm just whistling past the graveyard. I'm also realistic that Sark is our HC for 2022 and 2023 unless we have a way to terminate him early for cause.

If next year goes as bad as this one, I don’t think he sees a year 3. 

I know Charlie got 3 years, but 1.) We’re probably entering the SEC in year 3 and won’t want a lame duck coach going in and 2.) As hard as it is to fathom, Sarkisian is absolutely having a worse year than any of Strong’s seasons. 
 

As far as the buyout, Texas always has the money, they just don’t always have the motivation to spend it. Firing Sark won’t be about lack of cash flow, it will be about how much embarrassment the people at the top are willing to bear.

[closetohumping 17453]

SIAP, OB's update from the weekend, it's unusually bullish:

 

Spoiler

 

[Jester 382]

33 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

As others have referenced, I'm interested in seeing someone present a thoughtful, legitimate defense of either the hire in the first place or what we're witnessing now. Or, hell, someone attempt to do both. Hell, I need something to entertain me and mauling some shit like that could do the trick.

Let me try to splash some happiness in that completely empty glass of yours:  you get to spend your Saturdays watching this shit product in the your fancy south end zone seats with Sydney.  

[dcar00 14288]

45 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

As others have referenced, I'm interested in seeing someone present a thoughtful, legitimate defense of either the hire in the first place or what we're witnessing now. Or, hell, someone attempt to do both. Hell, I need something to entertain me and mauling some shit like that could do the trick.

the defense is "we don't know" to which my response is "yeah we did and we do".

the attitude is "it doesn't matter anyways".

the guy is an OC and that's pretty much it.

[BurntOrange&White 39934]

this quote is unequivocal proof that he’s not the guy.  

 

[NoName 16356]

44 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

There are the tired tropes from his fanboys in the media implying that the problem is systemic at Texas and he's heroically dealing with ferreting it out root and branch. That's bullshit to the core. There are the wishcasters who want to point out brief glimpses of offensive hope. There are the pollyannas who plead for more time. None of that is a valid defense.

i think that A PART (not all, A PART) of the issue is absolutely the problem we have had for a few years - but they are not at all systematic to Texas, they are systematic to shitty coaching and years of poor player development.

turns out when you have shitty coaches and don't develop players for years you have a huge hole when it comes to roster depth. we all knew there was a gap between the top guys and everyone else but no one thought it was this large.

the idea that somehow "Austin" is the problem (vs the grit hole that is College Station or Ames, Iowa) is beyond hilarious and is absolutely bullshit to the core.

i thought it was impossible for me to be more apathetic about the Texas Football program than i was under Tom Herman. well, i was wrong.

what is the best case at this point? for Elon Musk to decide he cares about Texas Football, front the like $50m to buyout the current coaching staff, front $100m guaranteed to get Saban (or say $75m guaranteed for Urban?), front another $20 million for staff and hope Saban or Meyer starts cooking in Year 1?

...we are so fucked.

 

[Ricky's one-hitter 9117]

13 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

As others have referenced, I'm interested in seeing someone present a thoughtful, legitimate defense of either the hire in the first place or what we're witnessing now. Or, hell, someone attempt to do both. Hell, I need something to entertain me and mauling some shit like that could do the trick.

The players have had 'you're not the problem, coaching is the problem' reinforced over the last 3 offseasons which, for me, has sustained the entitlement issue. Add in the reality of the upper half of the 2019 class, the reality of the bottom of the 2020 class, and this staff is working with a plurality of jags and guys who will never believe they're the problem.

Sark wasn't a great hire and his laissez faire culture installation led by the most likeable S&C coach of all time isn't actively correcting the problem or inspiring hope for the future. I have no confidence that he'll succeed here due to his inability to manage this inherited abomination, but I still think it's reasonable to recognize that none of these issues are new and all of this is/was predictable. Sark didn't fix it, but he didn't create it either. 

[BurntOrange&White 39934]

3 minutes ago, NoName said:

i think that A PART (not all, A PART) of the issue is absolutely the problem we have had for a few years - but they are not at all systematic to Texas, they are systematic to shitty coaching and years of poor player development.

turns out when you have shitty coaches and don't develop players for years you have a huge hole when it comes to roster depth. we all knew there was a gap between the top guys and everyone else but no one thought it was this large.

the idea that somehow "Austin" is the problem (vs the grit hole that is College Station or Ames, Iowa) is beyond hilarious and is absolutely bullshit to the core.

i thought it was impossible for me to be more apathetic about the Texas Football program than i was under Tom Herman. well, i was wrong.

what is the best case at this point? for Elon Musk to decide he cares about Texas Football, front the like $50m to buyout the current coaching staff, front $100m guaranteed to get Saban (or say $75m guaranteed for Urban?), front another $20 million for staff and hope Saban or Meyer starts cooking in Year 1?

...we are so fucked.

 

The systemic problems are causing the shitty coaching hires. This isn’t recent. This dates back to the end of Akers. 

[NoName 16356]

3 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

The systemic problems are causing the shitty coaching hires. This isn’t recent. This dates back to the end of Akers. 

absolutely.

my point is that bad coaching hires --> bad player development

and that bad coaching hires and bad player development isn't endemic to Austin, like people try to make it sound. that happens everywhere.

[closetojumping 62747]

21 minutes ago, longhornmatt said:

Just about any other candidate was better than the guy who was last a head coach six/seven years ago, was fired for cause, tried to sue USC for daring to fire him for showing up drunk to work, never even dropped the lawsuit and eventually lost it years later after he had supposedly matured, and who generally had no noteworthy success ever in his career except as OC for Carroll’s USC and Saban’s Alabama - where all of their coordinators have success no matter who they are.

But if you want more specific names than “everyone”:

Brian Kelly

Luke Fickell

Mario Cristobal

Brian Harsin

Matt Campbell

Mike Gundy

Chris Klieman

James Franklin

PJ Fleck

Sonny Dykes

Jeff Traylor

Billy Napier

Josh Heupel

Kyle Whittingham

Mark Stoops

Any NFL head coach or former head coach except Jeff Fisher or Lovie Smith

Any NFL coordinator with a better record than Sark in the NFL (which is most of them)

John Mackovic

Alf

People should just repost this every time someone shows up with the "who else was a better hire at the time?" premise. Many folks looked at the Sarkisian hire and immediately said "huh?" or worse to themselves and others. No one was interested in keeping Herman and everyone was deflated about not getting UM, but there is zero support for the notion that Sarkisian was some sort of obvious second option.

12 minutes ago, Jester said:

Let me try to splash some happiness in that completely empty glass of yours:  you get to spend your Saturdays watching this shit product in the your fancy south end zone seats with Sydney.  

I wish. I took my 3 little boys on Saturday and I was hoping to show them a lively gameday experience. Bevo Blvd was fun enough for them. The endless food and drinks were fun. They liked the noisy stadium. Then Texas laid a fucking egg and was down 35-14 at halftime. We left then. The attendants asked me to scan our tickets so that we could reenter, to which I responded, "yeah, we've seen enough". 

I will say it again though - most everyone else in the suites, they're not there for the games. I doubt any of them noticed that Texas lost. I know that after singing the EOT after the Okie State loss, walking out, the entire SEZ was having itself a rollicking fucking good time. 

I can't imagine there being more than 60,000 in the stadium for KSU. I was shocked by how full the place was for KU, so who knows. I won't be there either way.

[closetojumping 62747]

10 minutes ago, Ricky's one-hitter said:

The players have had 'you're not the problem, coaching is the problem' reinforced over the last 3 offseasons which, for me, has sustained the entitlement issue. Add in the reality of the upper half of the 2019 class, the reality of the bottom of the 2020 class, and this staff is working with a plurality of jags and guys who will never believe they're the problem.

Sark wasn't a great hire and his laissez faire culture installation led by the most likeable S&C coach of all time isn't actively correcting the problem or inspiring hope for the future. I have no confidence that he'll succeed here due to his inability to manage this inherited abomination, but I still think it's reasonable to recognize that none of these issues are new and all of this is/was predictable. Sark didn't fix it, but he didn't create it either. 

I don't disagree with any of that, but none of that is an actual defense of Sarkisian's hiring or defending him now. You're just saying that there are roster and attitude problems within the program, to which I think any sane person would agree. As you state though, it isn't like Sarkisian is clearly fixing any of that. 

[Chopper 17238]

There's a weird sort of confirmation bias that can occur when someone whom everyone agrees is a total imbecile with zero credibility (Herbstreit) happens to agree with you on one particular matter. I don't know if that type of confirmation bias has a specific name but I've noticed it before and have seen it multiple times in this thread.

 

[theaveragejon 988]

3 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

People should just repost this every time someone shows up with the "who else was a better hire at the time?" premise. Many folks looked at the Sarkisian hire and immediately said "huh?" or worse to themselves and others. No one was interested in keeping Herman and everyone was deflated about not getting UM, but there is zero support for the notion that Sarkisian was some sort of obvious second option.

I wish. I took my 3 little boys on Saturday and I was hoping to show them a lively gameday experience. Bevo Blvd was fun enough for them. The endless food and drinks were fun. They liked the noisy stadium. Then Texas laid a fucking egg and was down 35-14 at halftime. We left then. The attendants asked me to scan our tickets so that we could reenter, to which I responded, "yeah, we've seen enough". 

I will say it again though - most everyone else in the suites, they're not there for the games. I doubt any of them noticed that Texas lost. I know that after singing the EOT after the Okie State loss, walking out, the entire SEZ was having itself a rollicking fucking good time. 

I can't imagine there being more than 60,000 in the stadium for KSU. I was shocked by how full the place was for KU, so who knows. I won't be there either way.

This. I sent in my feedback email, and basically said how can you jackasses look at me with a straight face and ask for me to continue the financial commitment to this program? when Saturday was the culmination of the past ten years. 

They can get fucked. 

[SydneyCarton 48112]

I decided to skip 4 of the last 6 pages because, well, this weekend happened. I should have known that not skipping all of the last 6 pages was a mistake. Gonna have to neg myself for being a stupid dipshit in that regard.

The fucking cognitive dissonance by some folks is off the charts. Personally, I'm all for keeping almost everyone. Why, you say? Because we're fucked either way. Might as well enjoy the fucking comedy potential. 

[C-Man 27234]

36 minutes ago, Lonestar88 said:

If next year goes as bad as this one, I don’t think he sees a year 3. 

I know Charlie got 3 years, but 1.) We’re probably entering the SEC in year 3 and won’t want a lame duck coach going in and 2.) As hard as it is to fathom, Sarkisian is absolutely having a worse year than any of Strong’s seasons. 
 

As far as the buyout, Texas always has the money, they just don’t always have the motivation to spend it. Firing Sark won’t be about lack of cash flow, it will be about how much embarrassment the people at the top are willing to bear.

I actually don't disagree. If we finish 4-8 and struggle again next year with Thompson/Card as our QB1/QB2, I could see that being the end of the line.

I know we have the money. I just think firing a coach after a year or two -- minus cause -- will have a deleterious effect on the pool of candidates to take the job next.

Edited November 15, 2021 by C-Man

[Duane Moore 5246]

4 minutes ago, Chopper said:

There's a weird sort of confirmation bias that can occur when someone whom everyone agrees is a total imbecile with zero credibility (Herbstreit) happens to agree with you on one particular matter. I don't know if that type of confirmation bias has a specific name but I've noticed it before and have seen it multiple times in this thread.

 

I don’t know about a name but it’s got a meme

Edited November 15, 2021 by Duane Moore