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Also anecdotal on my part, but I think the majority of iowa/iowa state fans would cheer for us against the other.  It's not a Texas/ou or Mich/osu level of hate but it's there.

One ISU fan I know realized that he was being charged something like 65 cents a month for the big 10 network on his cable package.  He called and said he would never watch it and please remove it.  When the cable company explained what a package was he started just sending in his monthly payment with .65 deducted and a little note.  Now that's a commitment level to college football rivalries I would not expect in the Midwest.  And if we ever played Iowa you can bet he'd be doing the hook' em.

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I work closely with a certain previously committed 5 star QB's father (hint: its Quinn Ewers, for those who haven't been following recruiting closely like I have) and chatted with him a bit this after

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I have tons of Iowa friends, none of them care about TX and would root for anyone against ISU. They only get pissed off when I talk about the fact that their TE was an eligible receiver on that TD in the 2006 Alamo Bowl.

Not sure why this is a debate. We are hated by a lot of teams in the region/conference/nation and they want to destroy us in every sport. But we are not hated so much that other teams root against their own hated rivals. It just isn't the case in general.

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@Al_4_ISU who would you root for?  Again, I don't know many grads of either school, but the ones that I do/did know, would root for their state school over Texas.  

I've rooted for Texas over Iowa in the past.  Might have been the Alamo Bowl  in like '06ish?  That was the height of my Hawkeye hating days.  I'm pretty neutral on Iowa these days, but would likely cheer for any Big 12 school (sans Baylor) against them just to keep them in their place a bit.

I probably have more animus towards KSU these days than Iowa.  I hate Nebraska more than anyone in college sports, but that was never competitive enough to be a rivalry.

I would imagine about 85% of ISU fans would root for Texas over Iowa, and say maybe 75% of Iowa fans would root for Texas over ISU, but I do know a few Iowa fans that really hate Texas for some odd reason.  I guess it's the equivalent of my disdain for Ohio State.

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2 minutes ago, Dr. Teeth said:

I have tons of Iowa friends, none of them care about TX and would root for anyone against ISU. They only get pissed off when I talk about the fact that their TE was an eligible receiver on that TD in the 2006 Alamo Bowl.

Not sure why this is a debate. We are hated by a lot of teams in the region/conference/nation and they want to destroy us in every sport. But we are not hated so much that other teams root against their own hated rivals. It just isn't the case in general.

I have a couple of Hawkeye buddies that get really jazzed when ISU beats Texas.  I don't know if they're feigning being excited for me, but they seem to really dislike Texas despite Iowa playing them maybe once in our collective lifetimes.

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1 minute ago, Al_4_ISU said:

I have a couple of Hawkeye buddies that get really jazzed when ISU beats Texas.  I don't know if they're feigning being excited for me, but they seem to really dislike Texas despite Iowa playing them maybe once in our collective lifetimes.

Unfortunately, we've played them twice in my lifetime.  We will not speak of the first time, but bob stoops can eat a bowl of dicks.

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13 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

I have a couple of Hawkeye buddies that get really jazzed when ISU beats Texas.  I don't know if they're feigning being excited for me, but they seem to really dislike Texas despite Iowa playing them maybe once in our collective lifetimes.

How I feel about Iowa:

 

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1 hour ago, Dr. Teeth said:

I have tons of Iowa friends, none of them care about TX and would root for anyone against ISU. They only get pissed off when I talk about the fact that their TE was an eligible receiver on that TD in the 2006 Alamo Bowl.

You think that's bad. My Buckeye friend claims to this day that A) Limas Sweed didn't complete the process and secure the TD catch in '05 and B) Kirkendoll's forward progress didn't reach the 1st down marker on that 4th-down conversion during the final drive in '09.

Having said that, he would always root for us against Michigan in any type of sports matchup 10/10 times.

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https://247sports.com/player/malik-agbo-46059102/

 

33 minutes ago, Machinator said:

 

What's the story behind Agbo's original post?

Too lazy to look, was he one of the West Coast OL's we just offered?

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This is 100% real:

Ohio State 247 site on Ewers:
“Right after [Alabama won the national championship and Sarkisian was hired] they made a push,” a Texas-based source said. “[Texas] They was feeling confident they could get back in. But Quinn and his family shut that down right away. They told [Sarkisian], ‘Thanks, but no thanks’ they were sticking with Ohio State. Nothing they can do to change his mind. So [Texas] went to work on [5-star QB Malik] Murphy.”

Texas received a verbal commitment from 5-star Californian Malik Murphy on Saturday.

And we have since learned differing schematics among the Ohio State and Texas offensive approaches further strengthens the chance Ewers ultimately matriculates to Columbus.

“Sarkisian did some great, innovative things [at Alabama],” our source said. “But for Quinn, it’s not the best possible bit. Lots of bubble screens and receivers in motion to receive 5-yard dump offs. Quinn and his family believe [Ryan] Day is a better QB coach with an offense predicated on stretching the field. That fits what Quinn wants because it’ll get him more NFL ready.”

Solid reasoning, we’d say. 

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9 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

This is 100% real:

Ohio State 247 site on Ewers:
“Right after [Alabama won the national championship and Sarkisian was hired] they made a push,” a Texas-based source said. “[Texas] They was feeling confident they could get back in. But Quinn and his family shut that down right away. They told [Sarkisian], ‘Thanks, but no thanks’ they were sticking with Ohio State. Nothing they can do to change his mind. So [Texas] went to work on [5-star QB Malik] Murphy.”

Texas received a verbal commitment from 5-star Californian Malik Murphy on Saturday.

And we have since learned differing schematics among the Ohio State and Texas offensive approaches further strengthens the chance Ewers ultimately matriculates to Columbus.

“Sarkisian did some great, innovative things [at Alabama],” our source said. “But for Quinn, it’s not the best possible bit. Lots of bubble screens and receivers in motion to receive 5-yard dump offs. Quinn and his family believe [Ryan] Day is a better QB coach with an offense predicated on stretching the field. That fits what Quinn wants because it’ll get him more NFL ready.”

Solid reasoning, we’d say. 

File that under, shit pulled out of ass. If anything that smells of the angle that the OSU staff is pushing on Ewers and not what his family thinks.

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This is 100% real:

Ohio State 247 site on Ewers:
“Right after [Alabama won the national championship and Sarkisian was hired] they made a push,” a Texas-based source said. “[Texas] They was feeling confident they could get back in. But Quinn and his family shut that down right away. They told [Sarkisian], ‘Thanks, but no thanks’ they were sticking with Ohio State. Nothing they can do to change his mind. So [Texas] went to work on [5-star QB Malik] Murphy.”

Texas received a verbal commitment from 5-star Californian Malik Murphy on Saturday.

And we have since learned differing schematics among the Ohio State and Texas offensive approaches further strengthens the chance Ewers ultimately matriculates to Columbus.

“Sarkisian did some great, innovative things [at Alabama],” our source said. “But for Quinn, it’s not the best possible bit. Lots of bubble screens and receivers in motion to receive 5-yard dump offs. Quinn and his family believe [Ryan] Day is a better QB coach with an offense predicated on stretching the field. That fits what Quinn wants because it’ll get him more NFL ready.”

Solid reasoning, we’d say. 

any sites that track air yards stats for cfb? Easy to find for NFL, so just curious if the numbers support that narrative

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16 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

Lots of bubble screens and receivers in motion to receive 5-yard dump offs. 

Worked out OK for Tua and Mac Jones. Also worked out OK for OU's pair of midget transfers. 

That's the logic of a drunk, burning couch somewhere in the armpit of America.

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Sarkisian does not throw deep often. At all. "(re:Mac Jones) 379 pass attempts this year, just 53 traveled more than 20 yards downfield in the air."

Ohio State under Day does throw downfield a lot more than Sarkisian. I would sell that as well, if I was tOSU. Increased vertical passing has been a focus of evolving the offense at tOSU so that being part of their messaging to the QB recruits makes a ton of sense. I don't remember the exact statistic but I think the Buckeyes are up over the 20% mark for throws of 20 yards or more.

This is Ohio State recruiting with a clear and consistent message that is a differentiator. 

 

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Sarkisian does not throw deep often. At all. "(re:Mac Jones) 379 pass attempts this year, just 53 traveled more than 20 yards downfield in the air."

Ohio State under Day does throw downfield a lot more than Sarkisian. I would sell that as well, if I was tOSU. Increased vertical passing has been a focus of evolving the offense at tOSU so that being part of their messaging to the QB recruits makes a ton of sense. I don't remember the exact statistic but I think the Buckeyes are up over the 20% mark for throws of 20 yards or more.

This is Ohio State recruiting with a clear and consistent message that is a differentiator. 

 

How does this compare to the average NFL teams vertical passing? 

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Sarkisian does not throw deep often. At all. "(re:Mac Jones) 379 pass attempts this year, just 53 traveled more than 20 yards downfield in the air."

Ohio State under Day does throw downfield a lot more than Sarkisian. I would sell that as well, if I was tOSU. Increased vertical passing has been a focus of evolving the offense at tOSU so that being part of their messaging to the QB recruits makes a ton of sense. I don't remember the exact statistic but I think the Buckeyes are up over the 20% mark for throws of 20 yards or more.

This is Ohio State recruiting with a clear and consistent message that is a differentiator. 

 

Pretty sure it's also them telling OSU sites what they want to hear so they get left alone.

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13 hours ago, Rimbo said:

"Something Mack brainwashed..." the fuck?

You do realize that Texas had a football team before Mack arrived, yes? And we were everyone's big game then, too. Even through the 80s and 90s, going all the way back to DKR. Beating us, even through our darkest years, was everyone's biggest game.

"This was the biggest win in Rice football." --1994, for example

So yes, the world did exist in the times before you became aware of Texas football, and we were everyone's big game then, too.

Wow, it's easy to see why other fanbases think we are so entitled. You completely misunderstood what I meant. Yes, football existed before Mack and yes, we were bog games for everyone when we won a lot of games. My point was that it's no longer the case. Texas doesn't intimidate anyone. Even Kansas think they can beat us if they put together a good game. Try stepping back from the coolaid and be objective. 

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1 minute ago, ShowMeALoss said:

Wow, it's easy to see why other fanbases think we are so entitled. You completely misunderstood what I meant. Yes, football existed before Mack and yes, we were bog games for everyone when we won a lot of games. My point was that it's no longer the case. Texas doesn't intimidate anyone. Even Kansas think they can beat us if they put together a good game. Try stepping back from the coolaid and be objective. 

Different argument than whether it's a big game for them or not.

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6 minutes ago, texifornia said:

Different argument than whether it's a big game for them or not.

That maybe a fair point. I just don't think we have hard time beating teams because we are everyone's big game. We lose because we play down to competition, not because the other team played out of character to beat us. TCU or Iowa State didn't play any better against us than how they normally played.

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6 minutes ago, ShowMeALoss said:

Wow, it's easy to see why other fanbases think we are so entitled. You completely misunderstood what I meant. Yes, football existed before Mack and yes, we were bog games for everyone when we won a lot of games. My point was that it's no longer the case. Texas doesn't intimidate anyone. Even Kansas think they can beat us if they put together a good game. Try stepping back from the coolaid and be objective. 

Did you think that writing this was actually going to help your case?

And we weren't exactly a rolling ball of butcher knives during the late Akers, McWilliams, and Mackovic years, either. And STILL we were everyone's big game.

We were bad. Awful. We were happy to make a bowl back then. We didn't scare ANYBODY. Not even Rice. But beating us was still everyone's goal.

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Cross-posting here because it's relevant to points made about Sark's QB coaching and his recruiting preferences at the position.

(Scipio Tex) Sark's QB History

Spoiler

I covered Sark's history with RB bell cows and what it means for Bijan.

What about QBs?

Steve Sarkisian has a well-deserved reputation as a QB guru and he has coached a variety of throwers to success at the college level. He's also managed to inflate several NFL draft values along the way, generally by featuring the very best attributes of his signal callers and minimizing their weaknesses.

Let's go school by school, focusing on college jobs where he was either the QB coach or offensive coordinator.

USC 2001-2003

Carson Palmer - 1st pick, 1st round
Matt Leinart - 10th pick, 1st round

Sarkisian's debut as Carson Palmer's QB coach coincided with Palmer blowing up, transforming from an elite prospect whose on field performance never matched the hype to a Heisman winning senior campaign. Palmer finished his senior season with 3942 passing yards and a 33/10 TD-INT ratio. A QB once perceived as a college bust (he had as many interceptions as touchdowns in his prior three years at USC - 39/39) became the #1 pick in the NFL draft. Palmer was the classic drop back pro style QB: huge arm, accurate with a clean pocket, not a runner, 6-5, 235. Sarkisian helped build out a big boy NFL style passing attack around that arm and turned Carson's senior year into a draft infomercial.

In 2003, Palmer's successor, a relative unknown named Matt Leinart outperformed Palmer with a 38/9 TD to INT ratio, 3556 yards passing, and an amazing 9.7 yards per attempt. Leinart didn't have Palmer's arm strength and shared his immobility, but he was accurate, understood how to get the ball out quickly, and he thrived in Sarkisian's play action heavy pro style offense.

USC 2005-2006

Matt Leinart 10th pick, 1st round
JD Booty 5th round

Sarkisian returned to the Trojans as QB coach after a Raider diversion and helped lead Matt Leinart to a terrific senior season. But we all know how that season ended!

Leinart would be the 10th pick in the 2006 draft and eventually a NFL bust. However, he was indisputably a great college QB.

In 2006, USC started former high school 5 star prodigy John David Booty and he was acceptable in his first season as a starter, throwing for 3347 yards and a 29/9 TD to INT ratio. No one confused Booty with Palmer or Leinart - he labored to make timely reads and his alleged arm talent was often AWOL - but it was naturally assumed that his senior campaign would show improvement and the Trojan juggernaut would roll on.

USC 2007-2008

JD Booty 5th round
Mark Sanchez 5th pick, 1st round

It didn't get better. Sarkisian's first year as the USC OC coincided with several high profile offensive recruiting busts and JD Booty crashing to the ground, no longer buoyed by the talent that drove USC's run from 2002-2006. Booty struggled badly to get the ball down the field, demonstrated a penchant for untimely picks, and Trojan fans clamored for a guy named Mark Sanchez. Sarkisian was heavily criticized by Trojan fans for the drop in offensive production. Norm Chow would have somehow made it work!

We know now that Booty the prospect was largely a creation of early spread adoption at Shreveport Evangel and he lacked passing game awareness. But at the time, his deficits were blamed squarely on Sark.

Somehow JD Booty was drafted in the 5th round, despite no particular strengths as a QB.

Sarkisian silenced the critics in his second year as OC, as one year starter Mark Sanchez threw for 3207 yards, a 32-10 TD to INT ratio, and a healthy 8.8 yards per attempt. Sanchez looked the part of a star QB and he threw a beautiful ball off of play action, but much of his success came from Sarkisian putting him in excellent spots and creating easy progressions and reads. Sanchez owes Sarkisian a lot of money for featuring his best attributes and Jets fans probably curse Sark to this day for making a moth look like a butterfly.

Sanchez was the 5th overall pick in the NFL draft and despite a heady start (Sanchez is just a winner narratives abounded!) elevated by the dominant Jets defense, he crashed and burned into a butt fumbling bust.

Washington 2009-2013

Jake Locker 8th pick, 1st round
Keith Price UDFA

At Washington, Sarkisian coached Jake Locker, the ultimate projection traits guy who lacked every possible on-field skill needed to succeed at QB. The charismatic 6-3, 230 pound (4.59 40, tough, home state hero) Locker had the throwing feel of a Highland Games athlete, but damn did he look good in a uniform. Sarkisian struggled to showcase the slow-reading, inaccurate Locker, but he also can can shoulder some blame for making his offense needlessly complex for a QB who badly needed Offense 101 and a chance to better feature his legs and physicality.

Sark struggled through two years of Locker who, amazingly, was drafted 8th by the Tennessee Titans who compared him to "a bigger, stronger, right handed Steve Young." If you needed proof that nearly anyone can become a NFL GM...

Locker was replaced by his opposite: a coordinated, weak-armed, slow QB named Keith Price. Sark could work with a guy with some feel, even one with major physical limitations. Price would start for Sark for three years and proved to be a massive upgrade over Locker despite few redeeming physical attributes. Two of those years were quite good in terms of QB production, but Sarkisian's offense could be highly inconsistent. Particularly when defenses tested Price's physical deficiencies or the unit struggled to be on the same page with Sark's required route adjustments.

Price had zero future in the NFL, but the fact that Sark extracted much more value from him than the heralded Locker is worth noting.

USC 2014-2015

Cody Kessler 3rd round

Sarkisian returned to USC and inherited the closest analogue to what Sark was as a player at BYU in the form of the undersized, smart, slow Cody Kessler. Kessler was accurate and a competitor and that's generally enough for Sark.

Kessler rewarded his mentor with a huge year: 39/5 TD/INT and 9.7 yards per attempt. Eventually, he was drafted in the 3rd round by Cleveland. About three rounds too high.

Once again, Sarkisian proved that when he can mind meld with a QB who can execute what he wants and has the necessary surrounding offensive tools (Nelson Agholor and a young Juju Smith Schuster were featured), good stuff is going to happen.

Alabama 2019-2020

Tua Tagovailoa 5th pick, 1st round
Mac Jones (likely 1st rounder)

After public burn out and a two year cup of coffee with Atlanta, Sarkisian found himself at Alabama.

Little needs to be written about what he did with Tua Tagovailoa and Mac Jones, but in 2019 the two combined for 47 TDs and only 6 INTs as Alabama averaged 11 yards per pass attempt. Tua was already accomplished and heralded, but Sark allowed him to feature some NFL route concepts that secured him as the #5 pick in the draft despite significant injury concerns. Tua's history is not yet written, but early indications suggest that he's not yet figured out NFL open vs. Alabama open.

In 2020, the cerebral Mac Jones - effectively a Matt Leinart clone - shattered Tide records with 4500 yards passing, a 41-4 TD to INT ratio, and an incredible 11.2 yards per attempt. Jones got everything Sark was trying to do and arguably no Sarkisian QB has exhibited a better grasp of Sark's offense than Jones. A pure distributor, Jones evidenced good pocket feel, but very little athleticism and his arm is only adequate.

Sarkisian also effectively integrated the best of NFL and college passing game concepts, allowing Bama to feature their talent and steamroll a succession of quality defenses. Sark the OC had caught up to Sark the QB Whisperer.

Conclusions

There are a few things that can be reasonably surmised:

1. Sark can succeed with a variety of QBs and physical types, but prefers the QB to be pass first.

2. Sark has little patience or success with QBs who lack feel or timing. See: Booty, Locker.

3. Sark wants the QB to distribute to creators.

4. Sark the QB coach has always been damn good.

5. Sark the OC was still improving and growing into his 40s.

6. He has covered up a lot of warts on some pretty mediocre NFL prospects and made them a boat load of money.

7. He has also maximized several college guys with little NFL future. All they need is competitiveness, accuracy, feel, and some heart.

Picking a clear frontrunner in the 2021 QB race between Card and Thompson purely on traits or pedigree isn't Sark's mindset. He'll pick the guy that most opens up the offense for others with their feel, accuracy, and decision making.

 

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1 minute ago, ShowMeALoss said:

Lol, this forum has become TexAgs. Either you drink the coolaid or you get negged. Euphoria is at its peak when there is a new coaching staff and the lowest after year 3. Rinse and repeat.

I think the issue is nobody is saying what you think they're saying and you're not saying what you think you're saying. 

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You think that's bad. My Buckeye friend claims to this day that A) Limas Sweed didn't complete the process and secure the TD catch in '05 and B) Kirkendoll's forward progress didn't reach the 1st down marker on that 4th-down conversion during the final drive in '09.

Having said that, he would always root for us against Michigan in any type of sports matchup 10/10 times.

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Lol, this forum has become TexAgs. Either you drink the coolaid or you get negged. Euphoria is at its peak when there is a new coaching staff and the lowest after year 3. Rinse and repeat.

No, the issue is that you're making very stupid posts that aren't based in reality. And then you compound it by making more stupid posts trying to dig out of the hole.

Your latest example was saying that Iowa State did not play better against us than they normally do. This about a program which is now well-known for playing up against big opponents and then having letdowns against inferior opponents. (Barely beat shitass TCU and Baylor, beat us and Oklahoma and Oregon, etc.)

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After the National Championship game, Texas came after Ewers HARD. Jeff Banks offered trips to strip clubs and/or the zoo. AJ Milwee charmed Quinn with his perfectly coiffed hair and whispered lies about downfield passing into his ear. Stan Drayton was the most relentless of all - never stopping or once resting on his couch, showing off his legendary work ethic in an all-out pursuit of Quinn.

Steve Sarkisian said that Quinn could start from day one. He told Quinn that Big 12 defenses are made up of slow and weak former junior college players, not like the strong and sturdy defenses he'd face in the Big 10. He said that Texas would start a 24/7 Quinn Ewers TV network with the help of ESPN. He offered fame, fortune, a penthouse condo overlooking The Salt Lick, and women romancing each other.

But Quinn Ewers looked at his family. And he looked at the two photos of Jesus and Woody Hayes sitting on the humble Ewers family mantle. And then he looked up at Coach Ryan Day with tears in his eyes and said, "coach, I want to be an Ohio State Buckeye for life."

And that recruit's name was Albert Einstein.

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