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Thanks. I have been on the boards since 1997 when I was a student at Texas. We've spent decades as fans and board patrons feeling powerless to create any real change. The Internet, social media,

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I work closely with a certain previously committed 5 star QB's father (hint: its Quinn Ewers, for those who haven't been following recruiting closely like I have) and chatted with him a bit this after

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26 minutes ago, Tex-19 said:

I'm sure this is true, and the data does look bad, but you'd think the coaches could counter it by pointing to development at their recent jobs which is exceptional. It's not like the Longhorn logo is doing the development. Sark/Flood have had shit loads of 1st/2nd rounders the last 2 years alone (and Saban isn't an offensive coach). PK has had a bunch at UW. 

Meanwhile Aggy hasn't had a single first rounder in their 3 years under Jimbo (only one 2nd rounder) so what the hell are they pointing to that's any better. Probably just using Sumlin-era numbers which are irrelevant. Our staff should be able to sell development as a positive but they're clearly getting outmaneuvered. 

Should be pretty easily spun. His first class hasn't graduated yet and they have a few guys mocked to be 1st rounders in '22. I'd say they have a pretty great pitch for some positions and a very difficult one at a few others

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Bags >>> NIL especially in this current climate

I'm afraid you're right. Commits seemed easy to come by early on when visits were prohibited and it wasnt clear if the wealthiest program in the country would be in the bag game or not. Guess the answer to the last part is self evident.

Agree. It’s going to take at least a couple of years for NIL supremacy to be established. Hopefully, Texas can leverage it by being aggressive in its grey areas. That’ll reduce the importance of traditional bag men.

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42 minutes ago, Hank Scorpio said:

After losing Williams and Banks but landing 2 white linemen you have to think that Sark can’t close with black players. You would think he would be great relating to POC players because he’s Armenian. 

Jamarion Miller is white?

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11 minutes ago, UtBlaw said:

Agree. It’s going to take at least a couple of years for NIL supremacy to be established. Hopefully, Texas can leverage it by being aggressive in its grey areas. That’ll reduce the importance of traditional bag men.

The way the NCAA works, I feel like traditional bag men are already a grey area.

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2 hours ago, TommyGufano said:

 

 

This is an interesting one. Read that he wants to do pre-Med, grew up a CU fan (we've seen how much that usually matters in the end), but obv lives in Alabama. Love seeing Michigan left out. Guess we'll find out how serious they really are about academics but if they really are, this sure seems like one we'd make sense for

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1 hour ago, Tex-19 said:

I'm sure this is true, and the data does look bad, but you'd think the coaches could counter it by pointing to development at their recent jobs which is exceptional. It's not like the Longhorn logo is doing the development. Sark/Flood have had shit loads of 1st/2nd rounders the last 2 years alone (and Saban isn't an offensive coach). PK has had a bunch at UW. 

Meanwhile Aggy hasn't had a single first rounder in their 3 years under Jimbo (only one 2nd rounder) so what the hell are they pointing to that's any better. Probably just using Sumlin-era numbers which are irrelevant. Our staff should be able to sell development as a positive but they're clearly getting outmaneuvered. 

Right now, our message is not resonating.  While yes, they can point to their previous resume… our rivals are hitting them with the same pitch.  Here’s how this conversation goes.

 

”Look at all the good coaches and staffs that have been there that have gotten fired.  Mack Brown, Charlie Strong, Tom Herman.  None of them succeeded there and none were able to develop blue chip players.  Sark is a good coach but wait to see if he can actually put players in the league at Texas.  His success is because of Nick Saban and Bama.  He doesn’t have a good record as a head coach.  Why commit to Texas when you can come here and we will develop you.  Don’t risk your future betting on Texas until they prove it.”
 

Then they back it up with the articles showing Texas with the lowest blue chip development rate of all power 5 programs.  Most of the current recruits have no memories of Texas being a top program.  I follow a bunch of Instagram recruiting accounts that interact with high school and college athletes.  Most of them have Texas on the same tier program wise as TCU, Baylor, Arkansas, Tennessee, etc.  Sark needs to change that perception fast by winning.  It’s a simple solution… just win.  Apparently that seems impossible for all the coaches we have hired the last decade for whatever reason.

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2 hours ago, BornAndRaised said:

I'm all for harping on the staff for fucking this recruitment up, but I think theres 2 pretty critical pieces to this that more people aren't taking into consideration.

2) I don't think its fair to say "well we passed on Sexton because we thought we had banks." alot of posters have pointed out, and I think it was Gerry that said the staff viewed him on the interior and we already had the bash bros. It's not apples to apples.

This is incorrect and part of the revisionist fabrication that Gerry and IT are using to cover their ass. Here's the breakdown:

1) Gerry and IT say that Texas is feeling very confident in Williams, Hutson, Robertson, Banks, Campbell. So confident that they may not have space for Sexton. 

2) Poster asks whether this has been relayed to Sexton. Gerry responds that "it is known" by the Sexton side and elaborates that the staff views Williams as the take over Sexton. I.e., we are full at OT. 

3) The 'Williams over Sexton' theory gets cemented all throughout last week and into the Williams decision. The posters are now frothing at the mouth at the possibility of that OL class. The 'Sexton was told no' story really gets the posters believing that that OL class is happening for sure. How could the staff tell Sexton no if they arent confident?

4) Williams spurns Texas and people start to question the Sexton story. 

5) Banks looks like he will spurn Texas. One poster now posits that the staff 'probably sees Sexton as an OG and redundant with Robertson/Hutson.' Gerry replies "this is it." 

6) Now Gerry and the rest of IT are running with the theory that it was actually 'Hutson/Robertson over Sexton' the entire time, and that their intel was credible. 

So, Gerry spins a yarn that the staff is super confident. He cements that yarn with the 'Sexton told no' story. Williams and Banks go elsewhere and now either Gerry's story looks like bullshit or the staff looks stupid. Gerry adopts a revisionist theory to clean up for both sides. 

Regardless, we need to hit on some OTs.

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Also during that timeline, Bobby Burton gives a self righteous “trust the coaches” spiel after the Williams miss.  The IT guys were fully bought into the errbody narrative and anything said differently after is a fucking lie. 

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Just skimmed over the 247 list of OT’s. Aside from the fact that the pickings are razor thin now for uncommitteds, the fact that Kentucky has 2 Top30 OT and we’re struggling like fuck to land one (rank obsolete) is a real kick to the dick. 
 

Related, other than staying on top of the recently missed on guys like Banks and Williams until NSD, does anybody know what the plan is moving forward? 

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Just throwing sh*t against the wall, but the sudden Oregon surge is suspicious and perhaps points to some sort of collaboration with Nike that takes advantage of the NIL in a better way than what Texas and other schools have setup. If so, that should make the Nike relationship with other schools interesting. No facts, just speculating. 

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4 minutes ago, Don Hornleone said:

Just skimmed over the 247 list of OT’s. Aside from the fact that the pickings are razor thin now for uncommitteds, the fact that Kentucky has 2 Top30 OT and we’re struggling like fuck to land one (rank obsolete) is a real kick to the dick. 
 

Related, other than staying on top of the recently missed on guys like Banks and Williams until NSD, does anybody know what the plan is moving forward? 

Maybe we can get back into with George Fitzpatrick, went to the same school as Gunnar Helm

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5 minutes ago, Don Hornleone said:

Just skimmed over the 247 list of OT’s. Aside from the fact that the pickings are razor thin now for uncommitteds, the fact that Kentucky has 2 Top30 OT and we’re struggling like fuck to land one (rank obsolete) is a real kick to the dick. 
 

Related, other than staying on top of the recently missed on guys like Banks and Williams until NSD, does anybody know what the plan is moving forward? 

Transfer portal will prove to be very valuable for situations like this for school like Texas.  Between kids that over perform the school they selected looking to move up, to kids that decide they don't like they school/staff they chose to grad transfers.  There will be options.

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6 minutes ago, Don Hornleone said:

Just skimmed over the 247 list of OT’s. Aside from the fact that the pickings are razor thin now for uncommitteds, the fact that Kentucky has 2 Top30 OT and we’re struggling like fuck to land one (rank obsolete) is a real kick to the dick. 
 

Related, other than staying on top of the recently missed on guys like Banks and Williams until NSD, does anybody know what the plan is moving forward? 

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4 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

Just throwing sh*t against the wall, but the sudden Oregon surge is suspicious and perhaps points to some sort of collaboration with Nike that takes advantage of the NIL in a better way than what Texas and other schools have setup. If so, that should make the Nike relationship with other schools interesting. No facts, just speculating. 

Seems like our NIL is based off player branding instead of endorsements. If so we’ve dropped the ball. 

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Both have underperformed based on rankings, which might speak more to recent California player rankings being off than anything else. 

Or, and this is just wild, baseless speculation here, perhaps Cristobal and Helton aren’t great at the “football coaching” part of their jobs.
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11 minutes ago, Don Hornleone said:

Just skimmed over the 247 list of OT’s. Aside from the fact that the pickings are razor thin now for uncommitteds, the fact that Kentucky has 2 Top30 OT and we’re struggling like fuck to land one (rank obsolete) is a real kick to the dick. 

Kentucky has an elite S&C program with 2 of the best young guys in the business in Edmond and Hill. Schlarman’s death appears to have not slowed them at all with OL recruiting — players are bought into the development at UK. 

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21 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

Just throwing sh*t against the wall, but the sudden Oregon surge is suspicious and perhaps points to some sort of collaboration with Nike that takes advantage of the NIL in a better way than what Texas and other schools have setup. If so, that should make the Nike relationship with other schools interesting. No facts, just speculating. 

Getting Penei Sewell drafted in the top ten gives them a great pitch to O-linemen right now. 

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