Texas Recruiting Notes 2022 - Idiotic Slapfights Unrelated To 2022 Recruiting

[NoName 16293]

8 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

The support staff? Apparently not good. There may be wholesale changes more sooner than later depending upon how the season goes. Harris needs to go be a beta somewhere else. 

they need to find a job for Harris in the NFL or as a RB coach somewhere, clearly

does staff include Glasscock at this point? seems strange we have heard SO little about him so far.

[texifornia 56513]

7 minutes ago, NoName said:

they need to find a job for Harris in the NFL or as a RB coach somewhere, clearly

does staff include Glasscock at this point? seems strange we have heard SO little about him so far.

*QB coach

Glasscock has Chang's role. Once the big board is identified, he's not the guy in charge of closing recruits down.

[elguapo 4583]

23 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

If it helps any, I spoke to a buddy who's been all over the country lately watching guys work in the various camps and talking to coaches and parents. Things still look good for Anderson and Campbell. Everything else is completely unknown because, and I know mentioning this originally created some eyerolls and then everything happened and now it's fucking mantra here, Sarkisian isn't coming across as a closer.

Sarkisian super nice and dynamic and recruits and parents like him, but he's not the alpha that other guys are. Yes, that includes the cuckold in College Station. Fisher comes across as a pushy, fast-talking leprechaun but he asks for the deal and works to overcome objections aggressively and makes recruits feel earnestly needed. Sarkisian has attempted to play the "take your time, you'll know when you know, but we'd surely love to have you" maneuver while the competition is clubbing us with "why don't you know? we need you, you'll play early, we win, we put guys in The League, and you'll make your family proud here, so commit today and we'll hold the spot for you and go win titles" approach.

The rest of the staff isn't faring much better or worse. They're likely to be a good to great recruiting staff if they can find their bearings and win a bunch of ball games. 

The support staff? Apparently not good. There may be wholesale changes more sooner than later depending upon how the season goes. Harris needs to go be a beta somewhere else. 

[Burt Macklin 18997]

19 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

If it helps any, I spoke to a buddy who's been all over the country lately watching guys work in the various camps and talking to coaches and parents. Things still look good for Anderson and Campbell. Everything else is completely unknown because, and I know mentioning this originally created some eyerolls and then everything happened and now it's fucking mantra here, Sarkisian isn't coming across as a closer.

Sarkisian super nice and dynamic and recruits and parents like him, but he's not the alpha that other guys are. Yes, that includes the cuckold in College Station. Fisher comes across as a pushy, fast-talking leprechaun but he asks for the deal and works to overcome objections aggressively and makes recruits feel earnestly needed. Sarkisian has attempted to play the "take your time, you'll know when you know, but we'd surely love to have you" maneuver while the competition is clubbing us with "why don't you know? we need you, you'll play early, we win, we put guys in The League, and you'll make your family proud here, so commit today and we'll hold the spot for you and go win titles" approach.

The rest of the staff isn't faring much better or worse. They're likely to be a good to great recruiting staff if they can find their bearings and win a bunch of ball games. 

The support staff? Apparently not good. There may be wholesale changes more sooner than later depending upon how the season goes. Harris needs to go be a beta somewhere else. 

Maybe putting Harris in a recruiting role he wasn’t ready for and giving him some coaching duties was a bad idea? 

[closetohumping 17400]

Wasn't Sark a pretty good closer at his other stops?  

[Hookem2147 20932]

Just now, Burt Macklin said:

Maybe putting Harris in a recruiting role he wasn’t ready for and giving him some coaching duties was a bad idea? 

He’s had the coaching duties previously. Been under Drayton for several years. He’s stepping into a role in which Carrington was among the best in the country and Harris had no experience doing that role, so it’s not surprising he’s swimming upstream.

[texifornia 56513]

 

[Hookem2147 20932]

3 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Wasn't Sark a pretty good closer at his other stops?  

He had Justin Wilcox, Tee Martin and Clay Helton on his staff at USC. I bet they did a lot of closing for him.

[Red Five 40655]

He was also drunk.

[WinningIsHard 4017]

2 minutes ago, Red Five said:

He was also drunk.

[golfclap 6903]

5 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

He’s had the coaching duties previously. Been under Drayton for several years. He’s stepping into a role in which Carrington was among the best in the country and Harris had no experience doing that role, so it’s not surprising he’s swimming upstream.

This was discussed when this move was first made but replacing both Bryan Carrington and JW Walsh with only Brandon Harris, Harris who is not as good as either of those guys in either role, much less trying to tackle both. It was a terrible decision in an attempt to save a little bit of money by reducing head count and keep Harris from taking the QB QA role with the Rams. Harris is failing at the recruiting director role because he doesn't have the discipline it requires to do all of the little things that Carrington did that he doesn't get credit for, it's not only cultivating and maintaining the player and family relationships (which he's known for) but also being well organized and having clear achievable goals for his staff, so that they are constantly moving and creating momentum and fostering and nurturing recruit and familial relationships. He will undoubtedly fail in the QB QA role because he's already playing from behind at the RC role and that will likely burn MANY hours of his day.  And before anyone mentions Milwee - know that on a staff with Herman and Yurcich (2 guys well known for QB coaching) they still had Walsh and he was still immensely important in his role. 

This isn't a surprise outcome. 

 

 

Feb 17th when it was announced ::

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Because it was already discussed that Texas was considering not filling Carrington's role at all. Because Texas hasn't interviewed any of the prospective external candidates for the role. Because when any org combines two different job roles under a single person, what they are really doing is eliminating one of those jobs long term. Giving Harris the title is good for his resume and a way to increase his salary over the standard analyst. The director of recruiting role at Bama (and most other schools) requires a lot of work/available hours. If Harris is also an offensive analyst and covets not only an eventual on-field job but learning the ins and outs of QB coaching from both Sarkisian and Milwee, then I will assume that he will be spending a ton of hours doing that. 

Nothing that has happened so far with any of the staff hires or personnel moves has spoken to Texas doing anything "the Bama way". At all. Expecting this move to be different, instead of viewing it as more of the same (and via Occam's Razor) as a way to do away with a role while helping a rising assistant boost both his resume and pay scale, seems pretty illogical to me. 

 

 

[satyanash 14281]

17 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

He’s had the coaching duties previously. Been under Drayton for several years. He’s stepping into a role in which Carrington was among the best in the country and Harris had no experience doing that role, so it’s not surprising he’s swimming upstream.

I still remember when we didn't need Carrington because we were "replicating the Saban model". Something tells me throwing Harris in the deep end wouldn't have been Saban's approach.

[BornAndRaised 12223]

55 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

If it helps any, I spoke to a buddy who's been all over the country lately watching guys work in the various camps and talking to coaches and parents. Things still look good for Anderson and Campbell. Everything else is completely unknown because, and I know mentioning this originally created some eyerolls and then everything happened and now it's fucking mantra here, Sarkisian isn't coming across as a closer.

Sarkisian super nice and dynamic and recruits and parents like him, but he's not the alpha that other guys are. Yes, that includes the cuckold in College Station. Fisher comes across as a pushy, fast-talking leprechaun but he asks for the deal and works to overcome objections aggressively and makes recruits feel earnestly needed. Sarkisian has attempted to play the "take your time, you'll know when you know, but we'd surely love to have you" maneuver while the competition is clubbing us with "why don't you know? we need you, you'll play early, we win, we put guys in The League, and you'll make your family proud here, so commit today and we'll hold the spot for you and go win titles" approach.

The rest of the staff isn't faring much better or worse. They're likely to be a good to great recruiting staff if they can find their bearings and win a bunch of ball games. 

The support staff? Apparently not good. There may be wholesale changes more sooner than later depending upon how the season goes. Harris needs to go be a beta somewhere else. 

I'm glad about Campbell and Anderson. Do you feel the same about Harris? Previously you were adamant about both Harris and Anderson.

[Elmer_Fudd 22108]

 

[texifornia 56513]

1 minute ago, satyanash said:

I still remember when we didn't need Carrington because we were "replicating the Saban model". Something tells me throwing Harris in the deep end wouldn't have been Saban's approach.

Wasn't the argument (among the smarter posters) that Carrington himself was fungible as long as he was replaced by another experienced operator?

Which he obviously wasn't, as was clear from the start. 

[jeevsie 3720]

Board mood today:

[CowtownHorn 5126]

[Ricky's one-hitter 9084]

13 minutes ago, jeevsie said:

Board mood today:

This is the darkest timeline

[PHLaggie 110]

15 hours ago, Elmer_Fudd said:

Looks like another OT from the offer board is about to come off.  George Fitzpatric is getting a run of tOSU crystal ball picks.

is Patrick Fitzgeorge available?

 

[quigley 1527]

26 minutes ago, Elmer_Fudd said:

 

So great...top 85 (???), top 9 (???)

[Newy25 7638]

1 hour ago, closetojumping said:

If it helps any, I spoke to a buddy who's been all over the country lately watching guys work in the various camps and talking to coaches and parents. Things still look good for Anderson and Campbell. Everything else is completely unknown because, and I know mentioning this originally created some eyerolls and then everything happened and now it's fucking mantra here, Sarkisian isn't coming across as a closer.

Sarkisian super nice and dynamic and recruits and parents like him, but he's not the alpha that other guys are. Yes, that includes the cuckold in College Station. Fisher comes across as a pushy, fast-talking leprechaun but he asks for the deal and works to overcome objections aggressively and makes recruits feel earnestly needed. Sarkisian has attempted to play the "take your time, you'll know when you know, but we'd surely love to have you" maneuver while the competition is clubbing us with "why don't you know? we need you, you'll play early, we win, we put guys in The League, and you'll make your family proud here, so commit today and we'll hold the spot for you and go win titles" approach.

The rest of the staff isn't faring much better or worse. They're likely to be a good to great recruiting staff if they can find their bearings and win a bunch of ball games. 

The support staff? Apparently not good. There may be wholesale changes more sooner than later depending upon how the season goes. Harris needs to go be a beta somewhere else. 

 

[Wild Bill 324]

12 minutes ago, PHLaggie said:

is Patrick Fitzgeorge available?

 

WTF, 14 OT's on the roster at Oregon and tOSU and they are still pulling in top OT's?!

 

[closetojumping 62233]

1 hour ago, elguapo said:

Dude, if you’re trying to create some sort of political related whine, fuck yourself. There are alphas and betas in this world, per science. Cuckold is a funny porn term for literally what Fisher is. If those words have some other meaning to you because you’re paying attention to politics or news or the left or the right and whoever has problems or affiliations with those words, that’s on you. I was making a recruiting post and I don’t follow the other shit. I realize that’s all some of you boring clowns see. 

[golfclap 6903]

3 minutes ago, Wild Bill said:

WTF, 14 OT's on the roster at Oregon and tOSU and they are still pulling in top OT's?!

 

2 of the best OL coaches in college football and 2 of the best S&C programs (despite Feld being one of the most annoying fuckfaces that this world has created). 

[PHLaggie 110]

14 minutes ago, Wild Bill said:

WTF, 14 OT's on the roster at Oregon and tOSU and they are still pulling in top OT's?!

 

quality of the sales job and pushing for commitments. Oregon with the Nike dollas and tOSU with...i don't know, making it to the playoffs.

just means there will likely be a loaded transfer portal. The portal is just going to be making a bigger impact that more schools going fwd.

[The Beast 584]

1 hour ago, closetojumping said:

If it helps any, I spoke to a buddy who's been all over the country lately watching guys work in the various camps and talking to coaches and parents. Things still look good for Anderson and Campbell. Everything else is completely unknown because, and I know mentioning this originally created some eyerolls and then everything happened and now it's fucking mantra here, Sarkisian isn't coming across as a closer.

Sarkisian super nice and dynamic and recruits and parents like him, but he's not the alpha that other guys are. Yes, that includes the cuckold in College Station. Fisher comes across as a pushy, fast-talking leprechaun but he asks for the deal and works to overcome objections aggressively and makes recruits feel earnestly needed. Sarkisian has attempted to play the "take your time, you'll know when you know, but we'd surely love to have you" maneuver while the competition is clubbing us with "why don't you know? we need you, you'll play early, we win, we put guys in The League, and you'll make your family proud here, so commit today and we'll hold the spot for you and go win titles" approach.

The rest of the staff isn't faring much better or worse. They're likely to be a good to great recruiting staff if they can find their bearings and win a bunch of ball games. 

The support staff? Apparently not good. There may be wholesale changes more sooner than later depending upon how the season goes. Harris needs to go be a beta somewhere else. 

I think Sark is just confident in his system, get to the season......unleash hell on offense then we'll see if recruits still want to go out of state. 

[Michael Knight 12891]

1 hour ago, closetojumping said:

If it helps any, I spoke to a buddy who's been all over the country lately watching guys work in the various camps and talking to coaches and parents. Things still look good for Anderson and Campbell. Everything else is completely unknown because, and I know mentioning this originally created some eyerolls and then everything happened and now it's fucking mantra here, Sarkisian isn't coming across as a closer.

Sarkisian super nice and dynamic and recruits and parents like him, but he's not the alpha that other guys are. Yes, that includes the cuckold in College Station. Fisher comes across as a pushy, fast-talking leprechaun but he asks for the deal and works to overcome objections aggressively and makes recruits feel earnestly needed. Sarkisian has attempted to play the "take your time, you'll know when you know, but we'd surely love to have you" maneuver while the competition is clubbing us with "why don't you know? we need you, you'll play early, we win, we put guys in The League, and you'll make your family proud here, so commit today and we'll hold the spot for you and go win titles" approach.

The rest of the staff isn't faring much better or worse. They're likely to be a good to great recruiting staff if they can find their bearings and win a bunch of ball games. 

The support staff? Apparently not good. There may be wholesale changes more sooner than later depending upon how the season goes. Harris needs to go be a beta somewhere else. 

So wtf happened with Banks, was everyone just getting the wrong read on him or was he actually coming here until Oregon swooped in. Did Oregon drop a load of cash on him and we refused or didn't get a chance to match, or  is it just that our coaches can't close and they simply out recruited us?

Give us some hope that these are just early growing pains and we'll learn from this and improve or are we gonna be asking these questions in 4 years in the fire Sark thread.

[MoJames 8241]

1 minute ago, Michael Knight said:

Give us some hope

[elguapo 4583]

15 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

Dude, if you’re trying to create some sort of political related whine, fuck yourself. There are alphas and betas in this world, per science. Cuckold is a funny porn term for literally what Fisher is. If those words have some other meaning to you because you’re paying attention to politics or news or the left or the right and whoever has problems or affiliations with those words, that’s on you. I was making a recruiting post and I don’t follow the other shit. I realize that’s all some of you boring clowns see. 

Politics? No, I just think the alpha/beta thing is something that idiots typically focus on. What you are describing with Sark sounds more like a difference in style than whether he is "alpha" or not. Harris isn't ready for the job he was given, doesn't make him "beta".

[PHLaggie 110]

[BurntOrange&White 39651]

1 minute ago, elguapo said:

Politics? No, I just think the alpha/beta thing is something that idiots typically focus on. What you are describing with Sark sounds more like a difference in style than whether he is "alpha" or not. Harris isn't ready for the job he was given, doesn't make him "beta".

Sounds like excuses a beta would make. 

[elguapo 4583]

Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

Sounds like excuses a beta would make. 

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 I just think the alpha/beta thing is something that idiots typically focus on.

Thanks for proving my point

[Newy25 7638]

1 minute ago, elguapo said:

Politics? No, I just think the alpha/beta thing is something that idiots typically focus on. What you are describing with Sark sounds more like a difference in style than whether he is "alpha" or not. Harris isn't ready for the job he was given, doesn't make him "beta".

Very beta post, IMO. 

[TexMexBuddha 987]

I think Sark is just confident in his system, get to the season......unleash hell on offense then we'll see if recruits still want to go out of state. 

Here is our concern...
/Satya most definitely

[PHLaggie 110]

3 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Sounds like excuses a beta would make. 

those "excuses" were made by goldclap and echoed by staya. but elguapo is the beta. that's some message board groupthink shit right there.

[elguapo 4583]

I had no idea we had such powerful alphas gracing us with their presence on the recruiting thread. I think @closetojumping, @BurntOrange&White, and @Newy25 should let Brandon Harris know in person exactly how much of a "beta" you think he is, I would love to see how that works out for y'all.

[Burt Macklin 18997]

1 hour ago, golfclap said:

This was discussed when this move was first made but replacing both Bryan Carrington and JW Walsh with only Brandon Harris, Harris who is not as good as either of those guys in either role, much less trying to tackle both. It was a terrible decision in an attempt to save a little bit of money by reducing head count and keep Harris from taking the QB QA role with the Rams. Harris is failing at the recruiting director role because he doesn't have the discipline it requires to do all of the little things that Carrington did that he doesn't get credit for, it's not only cultivating and maintaining the player and family relationships (which he's known for) but also being well organized and having clear achievable goals for his staff, so that they are constantly moving and creating momentum and fostering and nurturing recruit and familial relationships. He will undoubtedly fail in the QB QA role because he's already playing from behind at the RC role and that will likely burn MANY hours of his day.  And before anyone mentions Milwee - know that on a staff with Herman and Yurcich (2 guys well known for QB coaching) they still had Walsh and he was still immensely important in his role. 

This isn't a surprise outcome. 

 

 

Feb 17th when it was announced ::

 

Yeah, that move never made sense, especially since recruiting coordinator is such an easily replaceable position. There’s a ton of people out there with the skill set to kill it, and a lot of demand for a spot like that at Texas. You don’t even have to pay them that much. There’s no excuse for not just going out and hiring one of the best people in the country for that job. Thankfully, there’s still time. I hope we see Sark hire an experienced person dedicated solely to that role. 

1 hour ago, satyanash said:

I still remember when we didn't need Carrington because we were "replicating the Saban model". Something tells me throwing Harris in the deep end wouldn't have been Saban's approach.

Losing Carrington was never the problem. Not replacing him was. There’s tons of people out there who can perform at a similar level to Carrington. 

[Barbacoa 1934]

32 minutes ago, elguapo said:

Politics? No, I just think the alpha/beta thing is something that idiots typically focus on. What you are describing with Sark sounds more like a difference in style than whether he is "alpha" or not. Harris isn't ready for the job he was given, doesn't make him "beta".

[NoName 16293]

23 minutes ago, elguapo said:

I had no idea we had such powerful alphas gracing us with their presence on the recruiting thread. I think @closetojumping, @BurntOrange&White, and @Newy25 should let Brandon Harris know in person exactly how much of a "beta" you think he is, I would love to see how that works out for y'all.

[Fondren & Main 6667]

25 minutes ago, elguapo said:

I had no idea we had such powerful alphas gracing us with their presence on the recruiting thread. I think @closetojumping, @BurntOrange&White, and @Newy25 should let Brandon Harris know in person exactly how much of a "beta" you think he is, I would love to see how that works out for y'all.

This may not be the board for you.

[UDontKnow 10439]

3 minutes ago, Barbacoa said:

Total wrong use of this .gif. This is a parent lovingly addressing their child.

Edited July 9, 2021 by UDontKnow

[FloridaHorn 4735]

26 minutes ago, elguapo said:

I had no idea we had such powerful alphas gracing us with their presence on the recruiting thread. I think @closetojumping, @BurntOrange&White, and @Newy25 should let Brandon Harris know in person exactly how much of a "beta" you think he is, I would love to see how that works out for y'all.

As if Brandon Harris has a chance in hell of chasing down @closetojumping

[PHLaggie 110]

1 minute ago, UDontKnow said:

Total wrong use of this .gif. This is a parent lovingly addressing their child.

they don't know Hindi/Urdu, obviously...

[Barbacoa 1934]

1 minute ago, UDontKnow said:

Total wrong use of this .gif. This is a parent lovingly addressing their child.

[FunkSoulBrother 923]

23 minutes ago, Burt Macklin said:

 

Losing Carrington was never the problem. Not replacing him was. There’s tons of people out there who can perform at a similar level to Carrington. 

I would’ve been great!

 

[golfclap 6903]

15 minutes ago, Burt Macklin said:

Yeah, that move never made sense, especially since recruiting coordinator is such an easily replaceable position. There’s a ton of people out there with the skill set to kill it, and a lot of demand for a spot like that at Texas. You don’t even have to pay them that much. There’s no excuse for not just going out and hiring one of the best people in the country for that job. Thankfully, there’s still time. I hope we see Sark hire an experienced person dedicated solely to that role. 

Sarkisian had been at Texas for more than a month when they consolidated those 2 roles. Like I said when it was done, at Bama there are 4 people working those 2 roles. Viewing the other front office hirings and their relative experience/inexperience I wouldn't hold out a ton of hope as the entire org has gotten smaller and less experienced under Sark/Harris/Glasscock. It's not like it wasn't a huge red flag then - or that this outcome is a surprise.

Texas should've replaced Carrington with not 1 but 2 established guys in the RC role and kept Walsh while adding a retired/unemployed coach (with at least OC experience) to fill out the QB QC role.

 

[Tex-19 2869]

2 hours ago, closetojumping said:

If it helps any, I spoke to a buddy who's been all over the country lately watching guys work in the various camps and talking to coaches and parents. Things still look good for Anderson and Campbell. Everything else is completely unknown because, and I know mentioning this originally created some eyerolls and then everything happened and now it's fucking mantra here, Sarkisian isn't coming across as a closer.

Sarkisian super nice and dynamic and recruits and parents like him, but he's not the alpha that other guys are. Yes, that includes the cuckold in College Station. Fisher comes across as a pushy, fast-talking leprechaun but he asks for the deal and works to overcome objections aggressively and makes recruits feel earnestly needed. Sarkisian has attempted to play the "take your time, you'll know when you know, but we'd surely love to have you" maneuver while the competition is clubbing us with "why don't you know? we need you, you'll play early, we win, we put guys in The League, and you'll make your family proud here, so commit today and we'll hold the spot for you and go win titles" approach.

The rest of the staff isn't faring much better or worse. They're likely to be a good to great recruiting staff if they can find their bearings and win a bunch of ball games. 

The support staff? Apparently not good. There may be wholesale changes more sooner than later depending upon how the season goes. Harris needs to go be a beta somewhere else. 

The real question - do Sark and the staff realize all this?

And I take this to mean you're no longer as confident on Denver Harris?

[immamac 42517]

should I change the name of the board to simpy horns because you simps need to stop acting like the world is ending when we are more than 4 months away from NSD1 and more than 6 months away from NSD2.

Verbal commits are dogshit. 

[Zhorn96 1772]

[Poe It Up 126]

What’s with all the Alpha Beta talk.