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  On 7/9/2021 at 8:44 PM, closetojumping said:

Something else on the histrionics around the “alpha” and “beta” stuff, it was framed that way by the relative of a recruit. Should have said that earlier, that elguapo can send various recruit families some strongly worded letters about their word choices as well.

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i'm guessing whomever bids the highest is the Alpha?

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  On 7/9/2021 at 6:56 PM, Askew said:

The consternation about Sark being a "guy's guy" and brilliant mind but not a closer does have a silver lining: profiles for better long-term results, despite possible negative effects for this current cycle. 

Judging by the Noah Cain (?) story, Herman was a pushy closer. So extrapolating to his 2018 'pre-results' class, he probably pushed and closed a good amount of guys, especially the 2018 Houston crew that was gangbusters at the time. But, you get 2-3 years in and Herman's true character starts to show. The guys on the team hate him, results start to sour on the field, and recruits start to shy away as early as 2019 despite getting the hard sell; by 2021 his closing ability is essentially dead. 

Also re the support staff: the fish stinks from the head down. Once Herman was revealed, the support staff was useless. I trust Sark to figure out the staff once things settle in. 

So, I think i'd prefer Sark's true character/culture to start translating to exponentially better recruiting results in 2-3 years rather than peaking early. And in that time work to develop a recruiting infrastructure that fits his culture. The Dabo model. 

 

 

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Its obvious now that the 22 class will wind up being good not great; at least rankings wise, development will tell the tale eventually. Recruiting as they say is all about relationships and this staff hasn't been recruiting the 22 class very long to Texas. That said if the 23 class isn't in the top 5 then we can all begin to worry. 

And yet I feel we've heard a version of this a few times now.

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  On 7/9/2021 at 9:04 PM, Michael Knight said:

Its obvious now that the 22 class will wind up being good not great; at least rankings wise, development will tell the tale eventually. Recruiting as they say is all about relationships and this staff hasn't been recruiting the 22 class very long to Texas. That said if the 23 class isn't in the top 5 then we can all begin to worry. 

And yet I feel we've heard a version of this a few times now.

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The one thing Sark has working for him is the current perception of the program.  When you look at Vegas win totals, preseason media predictions, and even recruit quotes, it is obvious that most people do not expect us to be any good this year.  If we played our full schedule last year, we would have been a ten win team.  If Sark does that this year, he will be viewed as a program savior.

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Trying to think of examples elite recruiting HCs who are personable and well-liked and come across as laid back in 1-1 settings. I guess Pete Carroll is the obvious one and would make a lot of sense of the model for Sark.

I think that approach can work but it probably works better once you have some real success to back up that easy confidence. When you are as vulnerable to negative recruiting as we currently are (and the only counter is Sark’s vision of the program) it’s probably a better time for the hard sell.  

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8-4 isn't going to buy us a lot of momentum. 9-3 would be ok but not enough to land us multiple 5 stars. Until we can recruit like Georgia (I think our most comparable situation) we will just be pissing in the wind. Gonna have to completely sell out like Georgia did with Smart. That means dropping crazy bags and pushing the NIL stuff to the limits. We arent doing either, which means we are barely even in the game. 

Here's my patented CFB Tier system. Tier 1 is when you consistently make the 4 team playoff. Tier 2 is when you sometimes make the final 4 but are generally within shooting range. Tier 3 is a program that will make the 12 team playoff consistently. Tier 4 is when you sometimes make the 12 team playoff but are generally within shooting distance. Tier 5 is a consistently top 25 team. 

Right now I have us at Tier 4. If Sark and his staff coach us up we should jump to Tier 3 quickly. I dont think that does much for us recruiting wise compared to what we have been doing. That tier 2 zone is our sweet spot, but we cant get there without a massive effort in the bagman and NIL area. I just dont see it as of today. We just arent as motivated as the current Tier 1 and 2 programs. The fact that we are letting "compliance be our guide for now" with the NIL tells me all I need to know. 

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  On 7/9/2021 at 9:14 PM, UncleSonny said:

Trying to think of examples elite recruiting HCs who are personable and well-liked and come across as laid back in 1-1 settings. I guess Pete Carroll is the obvious one and would make a lot of sense of the model for Sark.

I think that approach can work but it probably works better once you have some real success to back up that easy confidence. When you are as vulnerable to negative recruiting as we currently are (and the only counter is Sark’s vision of the program) it’s probably a better time for the hard sell.  

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Mack and depending on the source Dabo.

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  On 7/9/2021 at 8:13 PM, immamac said:

If Sark destroys everyone going into December and the Longhorns are top 6 ranked going into bowl season, yes I think it will work itself out. I do think that Sark needs to destroy in all the winnable games and win all the toss up games to recruit above the level that Tom Herman was recruiting at. 

If prospects see young players developing and a great culture in interviews it will drastically move the needle for them. 

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Interestingly enough, it's nearly impossible to recruit above the level Herman did in the three-year stretch of '18, '19, and '20. 

Development aside, all we really need is to recruit comparably to that level and make better evaluations. Best example, I don't care about the DB ratings of the guys we got in '18, you don't take a class with 5/6 DBs that lack elite NFL measurables. Sterns, Foster, Green, Cook all had high technical floors at the high school level, totally exposed in college. DMO was a LB playing safety. If we had replaced june 1 guy in that class based purely on elite measurables, we probably are looking at a much different secondary outlook right now. 

I especially trust PK to turn that evaluation trend around.

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  On 7/9/2021 at 9:18 PM, Barbacoa said:

8-4 isn't going to buy us a lot of momentum. 9-3 would be ok but not enough to land us multiple 5 stars.

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Think we need 10-2 regular season and Bowl game win to move the needle. 

Gotta sweep non-conference.  

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I am not sure why this is so difficult, but the NFT route was and is the easiest route for recruiting in a Wild West scenario.  Example: Each 'official' signing day graphic is turned into a NFT - you sell 100K shares of the NFT for $20 each = $2MM a recruit day 1.  Big boosters can buy huge amounts of shares augmented with the general public buying smaller pieces.  Think of it like trading cards for adults.  For every Bijan Robinson or Keondre Coburn, just put out another 'official NFT'.  

I am patiently waiting to purchase my 1 share of Lance St Louis.

Caveat: I have no idea how this shit works, and did not sleep at a Holiday Inn.

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  On 7/9/2021 at 10:20 PM, golfclap said:

Fitzpatrick to tOSU. 

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Wonder if they'd still take Dewberry with 2 OTs already committed. If Kam wants playing time, we're the obvious choice lol

But yeah, looks like we're going the late-bloomer route once again

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  On 7/9/2021 at 10:41 PM, Tex-19 said:

Wonder if they'd still take Dewberry with 2 OTs already committed. If Kam wants playing time, we're the obvious choice lol

But yeah, looks like we're going the late-bloomer route once again

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Hey our last 2 OTs drafted were 3* and nobody wanted the more talented one.

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  On 7/9/2021 at 6:38 PM, Valmy77 said:

Fair enough. Certainly not getting our top guys is bad for prestige and perceived momentum, which is why Mack Brown worked so hard to make sure it never looked like we ever lost a recruiting battle for anybody. So yeah, ok. 

1. Still lots of time.

2. It is Offensive Line, a notoriously difficult position to project out of High School right? 

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for us yes

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So we hired a good guy who was an idiot, then a smart guy who was a raging asshole, and now a smart and nice guy with no killer instinct?

 We are absolutely going to crush our next hire. 

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  On 7/9/2021 at 11:23 PM, tokamak said:

So we hired a good guy who was an idiot, then a smart guy who was a raging asshole, and now a smart and nice guy with no killer instinct?

 We are absolutely going to crush our next hire. 

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  On 7/9/2021 at 11:17 PM, Texasrocks said:

Two kinds of people use alpha/beta - aggys and losers.

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I thought the terms were popularized by the incel community. I guess that doesn’t contradict you tho

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  On 7/9/2021 at 9:57 PM, Askew said:

Interestingly enough, it's nearly impossible to recruit above the level Herman did in the three-year stretch of '18, '19, and '20. 

Development aside, all we really need is to recruit comparably to that level and make better evaluations. Best example, I don't care about the DB ratings of the guys we got in '18, you don't take a class with 5/6 DBs that lack elite NFL measurables. Sterns, Foster, Green, Cook all had high technical floors at the high school level, totally exposed in college. DMO was a LB playing safety. If we had replaced june 1 guy in that class based purely on elite measurables, we probably are looking at a much different secondary outlook right now. 

I especially trust PK to turn that evaluation trend around.

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Yea the lack of athleticism for that DB class was pretty shocking. 

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  On 7/9/2021 at 4:15 PM, BornAndRaised said:

I'm glad about Campbell and Anderson. Do you feel the same about Harris? Previously you were adamant about both Harris and Anderson.

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Still adamant about both.

  On 7/10/2021 at 12:02 AM, texifornia said:

Green is an athletic dude who played QB in high school. He was just terribly coached.

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He ran a 4.8 at a camp. I don't think he's incredibly athletic myself. I could take him in a 40.

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  On 7/9/2021 at 7:15 PM, Big Woodrows said:

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So TLDR, compliance is slowing us down on NIL but boosters are ready to "help" (bag style?), we have another Oregon battle (furk), Denver wants to see NIL proof ($$), and someone's been reading CTJ??

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  On 7/9/2021 at 11:23 PM, tokamak said:

So we hired a good guy who was an idiot, then a smart guy who was a raging asshole, and now a smart and nice guy with no killer instinct?

 We are absolutely going to crush our next hire. 

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The first two are 100% correct.  The 3rd remains to be seen.  

Posted
  On 7/9/2021 at 11:23 PM, tokamak said:

So we hired a good guy who was an idiot, then a smart guy who was a raging asshole, and now a smart and nice guy with no killer instinct?

 We are absolutely going to crush our next hire. 

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Counterpoint, we were apparently interested in James Franklin who is an idiot, a raging asshole, and has no killer instinct. He also lacks all of the stated redeeming qualities.

It could get much worse. 

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  On 7/9/2021 at 9:57 PM, Askew said:

Interestingly enough, it's nearly impossible to recruit above the level Herman did in the three-year stretch of '18, '19, and '20. 

Development aside, all we really need is to recruit comparably to that level and make better evaluations. Best example, I don't care about the DB ratings of the guys we got in '18, you don't take a class with 5/6 DBs that lack elite NFL measurables. Sterns, Foster, Green, Cook all had high technical floors at the high school level, totally exposed in college. DMO was a LB playing safety. If we had replaced june 1 guy in that class based purely on elite measurables, we probably are looking at a much different secondary outlook right now. 

I especially trust PK to turn that evaluation trend around.

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Sterns got drafted based almost entirely on his athletic profile. 

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