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  On 11/30/2021 at 10:49 PM, Barbacoa said:

There’s a group out there who claimed to have Stewart taken care of a couple of months ago. Every time I asked about this group I was told Stewart was just playing the game and they would likely need more $$$ to land him if another school upped the bid for him. That was before A&M really got involved. Then it turned into we wouldn’t lose him to A&M over money.
 

The guy telling me all this was likely involved, this isn’t something he would lie about. Now he’s saying the rumors of the $$$ a&m put together are undershooting the amount. I asked him if the door was closed for sure, and he said we will remain in contact until he signs but doesn’t think the $$$ is there to match the offer. I asked him why they don’t just say fuck it and put that money towards the OL NIL stuff and do some good, but he thinks the money will be used to bag elsewhere. 
 

The reality is cash is king for these top prospects. I just don’t see it going away. I think that’s hopeful thinking and ignores the emotional impact these cash offers make on the receiving parties. 

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Fuck him, if he want's to commit career suicide over a couple hundred K $ he is a dumbass anyway.

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Stewart’s recruitment went very quiet once he stopped playing hs fball. The 9.95 guys don’t even know all that much about the group who is running his recruitment. For all we know, it wasn’t even Stewart’s decision. That happens all the time with elite prospects, but that’s just speculation on my part. However, I can tell people from personal experience that sometimes there just isn’t any logic to why kids end up where they end up. People wondering why he would go to a school that is obviously a bad fit schematically may be thinking beyond the real reasons he went with A&M. Sometimes it’s just really simple. High bidder wins.

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  On 11/30/2021 at 11:14 PM, Barbacoa said:

Stewart’s recruitment went very quiet once he stopped playing hs fball. The 9.95 guys don’t even know all that much about the group who is running his recruitment. For all we know, it wasn’t even Stewart’s decision. That happens all the time with elite prospects, but that’s just speculation on my part. However, I can tell people from personal experience that sometimes there just isn’t any logic to why kids end up where they end up. People wondering why he would go to a school that is obviously a bad fit schematically may be thinking beyond the real reasons he went with A&M. Sometimes it’s just really simple. High bidder wins.

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He sounds like a good kid but I think we could spend the same money more effectively (how about $50k to four lineman and $100k to Denver Harris).  
 

It sounds like A&M considers himself the missing piece; also in an arms race we may need to exhaust them before they quit the fight.  

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  On 11/30/2021 at 10:49 PM, Barbacoa said:

There’s a group out there who claimed to have Stewart taken care of a couple of months ago. Every time I asked about this group I was told Stewart was just playing the game and they would likely need more $$$ to land him if another school upped the bid for him. That was before A&M really got involved. Then it turned into we wouldn’t lose him to A&M over money.
 

The guy telling me all this was likely involved, this isn’t something he would lie about. Now he’s saying the rumors of the $$$ a&m put together are undershooting the amount. I asked him if the door was closed for sure, and he said we will remain in contact until he signs but doesn’t think the $$$ is there to match the offer. I asked him why they don’t just say fuck it and put that money towards the OL NIL stuff and do some good, but he thinks the money will be used to bag elsewhere. 
 

The reality is cash is king for these top prospects. I just don’t see it going away. I think that’s hopeful thinking and ignores the emotional impact these cash offers make on the receiving parties. 

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So the price on Stewart ended up being >$250k-$300k? I know inflation is bad but Cam Newton didn’t even cost that much

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I wonder if "High Bidder Wins" eventually goes away given the ease at which these guys can transfer nowadays.  If anything, I think that is why I agree with CTJ that the impact of the bagman might diminish in the near future, and NIL will be more important.  If these boosters drop $300k on a player enough times, and then they end up leaving after 1 or 2 years, achieve more individual and team success at their new school.... eventually that has to make these guys rethink the ROI doesn't it?  Or is the $300k paid out in installments?    Bagmen will always be around to secure visits, ensure trips to rivals don't occur due to "can't find a ride" etc....but the huge payoff to secure a signing is what I'm talking about here.

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  On 11/30/2021 at 11:23 PM, JesusSweatDuck said:

aggys aren't smart on how they spend their money.  They just saw, "We can beat Texas for a recruit they really want" and that's all it takes.

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Sounds about right lol.  Then, he’ll transfer after a year and fuck them in the ass.  Idiots.  I mean they’re paying a shitload for white Sumlin.

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I have trouble buying the more than 200k part tbh. I think the group on our side was overconfident about their own offer and ability to keep up. I certainly was overconfident in my own ability to get similar stuff going on a different guy. People get real excited until 5-7 happens and it’s time to produce the assets. It also doesn’t help when the staff goes radio silent on people in the middle of them trying to help. 

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  On 11/30/2021 at 5:11 PM, PapiShark said:

New poster and a long time lurker. Just graduated and moving soon to my new job. Been looking at all this NIL discussion and been wanting to contribute. Would love to contribute to Burnt Ends once I start my job after a few paychecks. Think we need to have more contributions and stop being fucking pussies and complain all the time. So fuck it, I'll start contributing.

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This is how you 1st post.

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  On 11/30/2021 at 5:20 PM, burdine said:

Just so it does not get lost in my well-deserved public shaming.

I have already given a $100 to the Worthy Award. 

I will give another $200 if ten more want to also add $200.

Maybe this is more for the non Burnt Ends people.  Since the Burnt Ends folks are already doing their part.

 

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1 of your ten is done.

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  On 11/30/2021 at 5:11 PM, PapiShark said:

New poster and a long time lurker. Just graduated and moving soon to my new job. Been looking at all this NIL discussion and been wanting to contribute. Would love to contribute to Burnt Ends once I start my job after a few paychecks. Think we need to have more contributions and stop being fucking pussies and complain all the time. So fuck it, I'll start contributing.

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All that's left is for you to post pics of your exes, like we all have, and we will consider you officially part of this community.  werewaiting.gif 

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  On 12/1/2021 at 12:01 AM, closetojumping said:

It's always a surprise to me when I read how linear, simple, and uninformed many grown men are when it comes to how various business approaches by people with financial wherewithal play out, or in their mind, how such matters should play out. The entitlement, the impatience, the simple scenarios of things like idiotically just throwing millions of dollars out there with no understanding of why, just doing it. Shit like that happens when buyouts are discussed, how the bag game does or doesn't work, and now NIL, plus much more. I assume most people here went to UT, so I assume there are a lot of sociology grads posting or some shit. Maybe a lot of young guys too.

Coming back to this thread after 7 hours of meetings and work and wow, there's no easy way to even address some of the bad bullshit and weak assumptions.

I told this board weeks ago that the price had moved north of $250k. That wasn't speculative. 

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Like I said earlier today, I still think Texas winds up with 5 key guys that kind of suprise us all on or around signing day. It won't be because our brand or results won out. I do not believe Stewart will be part of that. I do believe we're going to wind up with some key OL targets. The NIL stuff won't hurt on that either.

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Enough to feature a competent line, one that doesn't block ghosts, tackle turf, or take out the other guy with the little longhorn on his helmet that looks vaguely familiar?  

 

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  On 12/1/2021 at 12:17 AM, HtownHorn said:

It has before.

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And OU hasn't been through this process in about 20 years. When Stoops retired it was an internal hire that prevented major roster turnover. Texas does this process every 3 or 4 years where we hire a new coach, lose a shit load of players, and essentially start over. 

A big reason OU > Texas is because they never go through this process. Roster rebuilds aren't easy. 

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  On 12/1/2021 at 12:01 AM, closetojumping said:

It's always a surprise to me when I read how linear, simple, and uninformed many grown men are when it comes to how various business approaches by people with financial wherewithal play out, or in their mind, how such matters should play out. The entitlement, the impatience, the simple scenarios of things like idiotically just throwing millions of dollars out there with no understanding of why, just doing it. Shit like that happens when buyouts are discussed, how the bag game does or doesn't work, and now NIL, plus much more. I assume most people here went to UT, so I assume there are a lot of sociology grads posting or some shit. Maybe a lot of young guys too.

Coming back to this thread after 7 hours of meetings and work and wow, there's no easy way to even address some of the bad bullshit and weak assumptions.

I told this board weeks ago that the price had moved north of $250k. That wasn't speculative. 

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Like I said earlier today, I still think Texas winds up with 5 key guys that kind of suprise us all on or around signing day. It won't be because our brand or results won out. I do not believe Stewart will be part of that. I do believe we're going to wind up with some key OL targets. The NIL stuff won't hurt on that either.

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Obviously I believe you, but I still don’t understand how it got that high. Our hair got brushed back when it got to 200k, and I didn’t think we would match that. Do you think we did? Or did bama? Or was that number in conjunction with the t shirt company incorrect? 

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