Nothing to see here -- just a town declaring a state of emergency before releasing body cam of police shooting!

[Wanker Bob 379]

2 hours ago, BabaYaga said:

Let's fuck around and find out.  My guess is you'd get more support than you think.  Depends upon who the message comes from

Sounds like a job for 

[Steel Shank 9421]

please try to keep your union busting boner for either CR or 6th St. Journal - there's people trying to talk about police brutality and lack of accountability in here.

the term “union busting boner” cracks me up

[Steel Shank 9421]

DP busting boner has I

[BabaYaga 15286]

1 hour ago, Lobo said:

Is it weird that people against public sector unions really like police unions?  I fucking hate all of them and none of them should be allowed, but that's just me.  

Been my point all along

[Guest Lobo]

nmnm

Edited April 27, 2021 by Lobo

[Guest Lobo]

4 hours ago, Captainant said:

You could tell most police unions tomorrow that the blue line is incorrectly there on the 8th line there to represent the 8th amendment, the freedom from cruel and unusual punishment (like being shot in the back of the head when being served a warrant).  And they'd change the whole flag design the next day.  

Edited April 27, 2021 by Lobo

[DigglerontheHoof 21168]

3 minutes ago, Lobo said:

You could tell most police unions tomorrow that the blue line is incorrectly there on the 8th line there to represent the 8th amendment, the freedom from cruel and unusual punishment (like being shot in the back of the head when being served a warrant).  And they'd change the whole flag design the next day.  

Regardless of where it is, it's desecrating the American flag exponentially more than any kneeling NFL players ever did during the NA.

[Bullneck 19070]

4 hours ago, BabaYaga said:

It is.  My point is that is a major component piece in the struggle to remove bad actors.  To the point about punishment, they are the shield covering LE's actions and give them cover.  Weaken that cover is a huge step in accountability.

Take what happened in Camden, NJ when they fired 100% of the cops, then rehired them on the condition of much weaker union protections.  The results were impressive.  For one, the cost-per-officer was cut IN HALF, allowing them to double their force.  Murders went down.  Crime went down.  

Try reading the entire article.  You seem to be seeing only what fits your thinking.

Quote

Camden faced a crisis beginning in 2010, when the state slashed aid funding as part of spending cuts that Chris Christie, then the governor, imposed in the aftermath of the financial crisis.

Roughly half of Camden's 360 police officers were laid off. Arrests plummeted. Violent crime spiked.

In 2012, Camden recorded 67 homicides and 172 shooting victims. It was ranked the most dangerous city in America, with a murder rate more than 18 times the national average, according to the FBI's Uniform Crime Reporting Program.

With the city in dire straits, Christie and state Democratic lawmakers pushed to regionalize its police force. Politicians in Camden, including Dana Redd, then the mayor, lent their support to breaking up the city's all-union police department and replacing it with a larger but lower-paid force.

Despite stiff pressure from the union and an outspoken group of residents, the Camden Police Department was formally disbanded in 2013.

The new force was led by the existing Camden police chief, Scott Thomson. He moved to remake the ethos of the department.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-jersey-city-disbanded-its-police-force-here-s-what-n1231677 

[TwiceHorn 31435]

Police unions are a chicken or egg question.  They are an extension of police culture.  It's not clear which came first, but currently it is an ouroboros of disregard for public welfare.

[workswithseed 2087]

1 hour ago, Captainant said:

please try to keep your union busting boner for either CR or 6th St. Journal - there's people trying to talk about police brutality and lack of accountability in here.

Muh unions! Get rid of unions, and immunity, and I'd be happy. Nothing but the truth (body cams) can back your ass up

Edited April 27, 2021 by workswithseed
Cans cams.

[BabaYaga 15286]

8 minutes ago, Bullneck said:

Try reading the entire article.  You seem to be seeing only what fits your thinking.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-jersey-city-disbanded-its-police-force-here-s-what-n1231677 

The crisis in budget may have been the catalyst, but when you read deeper you get into the actual costs that allowed them to hire such a large force - namely cutting their cost-per-officer in half.  For most corporations salary expenses are among their highest expenditure, so a reduction of that magnitude was a principle driver for everything else.

Specifically (if you read the article I posted) close to 200 provisions written into the contracts that allowed such an offloading of overhead in the backstop of these budget concerns.  

[Gil Bang 25907]

2 hours ago, Lobo said:

Yes, see...but what his proposal presupposes is...what if you did the opposite and defunded the old one and funded a new organization with the same charge?  You see?  You flip that shit.  Topsy-Turvy that mother fucker. 

 

[staboner 4969]

5 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

The problem with America is Americans.

lulz was just about to post this. was worrying about being too much of a dick. but in all seriousnessessess that is core issue. the cops are just a place whereby the dengenerates are allowed to do their thing with little consequence. its part of the job allure no doubt. 

[staboner 4969]

briefly glossed over the phrase "the left and their precious unions" haha. the 20th century called and wants their talking points back. is that you Tahoe? is this me?

 

[Captainant 27620]

57 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

Nothing but the truth (body cams) can back your ass up

Definitely is NEVER the case that cops will just hide, withhold, or selectively release body cam footage - amirite???

[washparkhorn 9939]

2 hours ago, Lobo said:

Is it weird that people against public sector unions really like police unions?  I fucking hate all of them and none of them should be allowed, but that's just me.  

The Constitution guarantees the right to associate as a fundamental right. One would need a constitutional amendment to enact what you propose. 

But no worries for anti-union folk - the new conservative majority on the Court gutted public unions in 2018 with its decision in Janus v. AFSCME.

[workswithseed 2087]

35 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Definitely is NEVER the case that cops will just hide, withhold, or selectively release body cam footage - amirite???

I'm with you, get rid of cops, but getting rid of their safety nets would be nice start.

[El Diablo 4232]

6 hours ago, BabaYaga said:

It is.  My point is that is a major component piece in the struggle to remove bad actors.  To the point about punishment, they are the shield covering LE's actions and give them cover.  Weaken that cover is a huge step in accountability.

Take what happened in Camden, NJ when they fired 100% of the cops, then rehired them on the condition of much weaker union protections.  The results were impressive.  For one, the cost-per-officer was cut IN HALF, allowing them to double their force.  Murders went down.  Crime went down.  

Murders went down because more cops on the payroll? You sure about that cause and effect? 

 

[Judge Roybeanbag 11819]

2 hours ago, BabaYaga said:

Been my point all along

Someone may have addressed this already but...  you have to have some way of protecting some employees from political turnover.  I mean, there is no stability in record keeping or any other local level jobs if the next elected officials can just fire everyone and have no accountability.   That’s what the public employee unions were meant to address.  Do you have a solution for that?

[hobbes2702 13028]

I’m just not sure why the solution for police accountability has to be tied to every other public union. It’s an extremely broad “solution” for a pretty narrow problem.

If Camden is the example you want to use, which was the first place to defund police, then why don’t we just follow that example and save the public sector union debate for another day.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

 

On the way to...serve a warrant! 

[bad_teammate 13185]

9 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

On the way to...serve a warrant! 

wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee going for a ride with my buddies!!

[atomheartbevo 89618]

9 hours ago, Captainant said:

Every time I see that I think A) Flag desecration and B) Oh, some Americans get their own flag because they are snowflakes

[Guest Lobo]

Of course the racists would pick South Carolina.  Do these guys even read?  

[atomheartbevo 89618]

6 hours ago, SHOOTER12 said:

I'm wondering how accurate that is about Texas game wardens though. I've only gotten in the ruckus with any law enforcement three times, all three were game wardens who were absolute freaking jerks. The first time I'm lucky I didn't get my smart ass shot.

You should have mounted those game wardens, to show your dominance, or bared your ass towards them and let them show their dominance, I forgot which, it's been a long time since I took an anthropology class.

 

[Doc Reeves 6434]

10 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

You should have mounted those game wardens, to show your dominance, or bared your ass towards them and let them show their dominance, I forgot which, it's been a long time since I took an anthropology class.

 

[Beau Vine 54203]

10 hours ago, BabaYaga said:

See my post above.....

Just checked, and it's as stupid as it was the first time.

[Beau Vine 54203]

10 hours ago, BabaYaga said:

Not talking about teachers - apply the same licensing and registration steps to LEO's as we do with so many other professions.

Shit, make them get bonded/pay malpractice insurance like roofers or doctors.  With the money saved by counties/cities not having to pay settlements, they could raise salaries to cover it for the clean ones.  Fucking Coase Theorem in action.

[Beau Vine 54203]

7 hours ago, SHOOTER12 said:

I'm wondering how accurate that is about Texas game wardens though. I've only gotten in the ruckus with any law enforcement three times, all three were game wardens who were absolute freaking jerks.

Could you describe the ruckus, sir?

And if you've gotten in the ruckus multiple times, isn't that a ruckii?

[Guest Lobo]

11 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

Could you describe the ruckus, sir?

And if you've gotten in the ruckus multiple times, isn't that a ruckii?

You keep messing with the bull son, you'll get the horns.  

 

[Willfully Horn 7999]

10 hours ago, Johnny Sack said:

  If there was anything of substance to those complaints, pretty sure someone would have publicized them.

At least one incident was. Relevant data spoilered. It’s bad.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mprnews.org/amp/story/2020/11/18/prosecutors-14yearold-boy-cried-mom-as-chauvin-knelt-on-his-back-for-17-minutes

 

Spoiler

According to a court document filed this week by the office of the Minnesota Attorney General, Chauvin practiced the same level of force when he knelt on a teenage boy’s back for 17 minutes as he responded to a domestic assault call three years earlier. 

Prosecutors say they’ve obtained body camera footage from that Sept. 4, 2017, incident in which Chauvin and another officer responded to the call where a mother alleged she was assaulted by her two children and asked officers to remove them from the home. 

The court document describes footage in which Chauvin talked to the mother for about 36 minutes before he went to look for her son. He then found the 14-year-old son lying on the floor in his bedroom looking at his phone. Chauvin and another officer told him to stand up because he was under arrest. The boy refused and added that his mother was drunk and assaulted him.

The court filing says the child tried to talk with officers about his mother, but they yelled at him to stand up. The officers quickly grabbed him and Chauvin hit the child in the head with his flashlight.

Two seconds later, Chauvin grabbed the boy’s throat and struck him again in the head with the flashlight.

“The child cried out that they were hurting him, and to stop, and called out ‘mom,’” according to the filing.

Chauvin applied a neck restraint, causing the child to temporarily pass out and fall to the ground. The officers placed him in the prone position and handcuffed him behind his back while his mother pleaded with the officers not to kill her son and told her son to stop resisting. 

“About a minute after going to the ground, the child began repeatedly telling the officers that he could not breathe, and his mother told Chauvin to take his knee off her son,” prosecutors wrote. They added that the mother asked Chauvin to take his knee off her son four times because her son couldn’t breathe, but that Chauvin maintained his position and replied that her son, who Chauvin described as 6 feet, 2 inches tall and at least 240 pounds, was “a big guy.” 
 

Prosecutors say the body camera footage showed Chauvin was kneeling on the 14-year-old boy’s back for a total of 17 minutes despite repeated requests by the teenager to turn him on his back because he couldn’t breathe. 

Prosecutors argue that this incident from Chauvin’s past is relevant to his trial in the killing of Floyd because it shows intent to harm. Chauvin faces intentional second-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter in the Memorial Day killing.

“Chauvin grabbed the child by the throat, forced him to the ground in the prone position, and placed his knee on the child’s neck with so much force that the child began to cry out in pain and tell Chauvin he could not breathe,” prosecutors wrote. “And just like with Floyd, Chauvin ignored those pleas and refused to provide medical assistance.”

Minnesota’s second-degree unintentional murder statute requires proof that a person caused the death of another “without intent to effect the death of any person, while intentionally inflicting or attempting to inflict bodily harm upon the victim.”

Prosecutors argue that the incident with the 14-year-old teen shows Chauvin has a pattern of using excessive force, immediately disregarding the circumstances and resorting to physical restraint when faced with someone who’s resisting arrest. 

Also, during his career, he was involved in three police shootings, one of which was fatal. 

Edited April 28, 2021 by Willfully Horn
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[Johnny Sack 8397]

6 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:

At least one incident was. Relevant data spoilered. It’s bad.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mprnews.org/amp/story/2020/11/18/prosecutors-14yearold-boy-cried-mom-as-chauvin-knelt-on-his-back-for-17-minutes

 

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According to a court document filed this week by the office of the Minnesota Attorney General, Chauvin practiced the same level of force when he knelt on a teenage boy’s back for 17 minutes as he responded to a domestic assault call three years earlier. 

Prosecutors say they’ve obtained body camera footage from that Sept. 4, 2017, incident in which Chauvin and another officer responded to the call where a mother alleged she was assaulted by her two children and asked officers to remove them from the home. 

The court document describes footage in which Chauvin talked to the mother for about 36 minutes before he went to look for her son. He then found the 14-year-old son lying on the floor in his bedroom looking at his phone. Chauvin and another officer told him to stand up because he was under arrest. The boy refused and added that his mother was drunk and assaulted him.

The court filing says the child tried to talk with officers about his mother, but they yelled at him to stand up. The officers quickly grabbed him and Chauvin hit the child in the head with his flashlight.

Two seconds later, Chauvin grabbed the boy’s throat and struck him again in the head with the flashlight.

“The child cried out that they were hurting him, and to stop, and called out ‘mom,’” according to the filing.

Chauvin applied a neck restraint, causing the child to temporarily pass out and fall to the ground. The officers placed him in the prone position and handcuffed him behind his back while his mother pleaded with the officers not to kill her son and told her son to stop resisting. 

“About a minute after going to the ground, the child began repeatedly telling the officers that he could not breathe, and his mother told Chauvin to take his knee off her son,” prosecutors wrote. They added that the mother asked Chauvin to take his knee off her son four times because her son couldn’t breathe, but that Chauvin maintained his position and replied that her son, who Chauvin described as 6 feet, 2 inches tall and at least 240 pounds, was “a big guy.” 
 

Prosecutors say the body camera footage showed Chauvin was kneeling on the 14-year-old boy’s back for a total of 17 minutes despite repeated requests by the teenager to turn him on his back because he couldn’t breathe. 

Prosecutors argue that this incident from Chauvin’s past is relevant to his trial in the killing of Floyd because it shows intent to harm. Chauvin faces intentional second-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter in the Memorial Day killing.

“Chauvin grabbed the child by the throat, forced him to the ground in the prone position, and placed his knee on the child’s neck with so much force that the child began to cry out in pain and tell Chauvin he could not breathe,” prosecutors wrote. “And just like with Floyd, Chauvin ignored those pleas and refused to provide medical assistance.”

Minnesota’s second-degree unintentional murder statute requires proof that a person caused the death of another “without intent to effect the death of any person, while intentionally inflicting or attempting to inflict bodily harm upon the victim.”

Prosecutors argue that the incident with the 14-year-old teen shows Chauvin has a pattern of using excessive force, immediately disregarding the circumstances and resorting to physical restraint when faced with someone who’s resisting arrest. 

 

I didn’t know that.  I tried to google his previous complaints and came up empty.  Thanks for sharing. That isn’t good at all.  

[Johnny Sack 8397]

I’ve dealt with game wardens my entire life all over this state.  And I feel like the Lone Star Law portrayal is pretty much what I’ve experienced.  
 

The ones in Frio County where our family place is are extremely professional.   They helped bust a poacher who killed a deer with 21 score-able points (10 point main frame) doing some damn solid police work and DNA gathering.  It’s a long story.  But let’s just say a certain well known flounder guide in Matagorda who had been poaching our place and others in the area for years now has a felony and can’t own a gun anymore.  
 

Mark Talasek, fuck you.  

[Brisketexan 105045]

At least one incident was. Relevant data spoilered. It’s bad.
 
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mprnews.org/amp/story/2020/11/18/prosecutors-14yearold-boy-cried-mom-as-chauvin-knelt-on-his-back-for-17-minutes
 
Spoiler

According to a court document filed this week by the office of the Minnesota Attorney General, Chauvin practiced the same level of force when he knelt on a teenage boy’s back for 17 minutes as he responded to a domestic assault call three years earlier. 

Prosecutors say they’ve obtained body camera footage from that Sept. 4, 2017, incident in which Chauvin and another officer responded to the call where a mother alleged she was assaulted by her two children and asked officers to remove them from the home. 

The court document describes footage in which Chauvin talked to the mother for about 36 minutes before he went to look for her son. He then found the 14-year-old son lying on the floor in his bedroom looking at his phone. Chauvin and another officer told him to stand up because he was under arrest. The boy refused and added that his mother was drunk and assaulted him.

The court filing says the child tried to talk with officers about his mother, but they yelled at him to stand up. The officers quickly grabbed him and Chauvin hit the child in the head with his flashlight.

Two seconds later, Chauvin grabbed the boy’s throat and struck him again in the head with the flashlight.

“The child cried out that they were hurting him, and to stop, and called out ‘mom,’” according to the filing.

Chauvin applied a neck restraint, causing the child to temporarily pass out and fall to the ground. The officers placed him in the prone position and handcuffed him behind his back while his mother pleaded with the officers not to kill her son and told her son to stop resisting. 

“About a minute after going to the ground, the child began repeatedly telling the officers that he could not breathe, and his mother told Chauvin to take his knee off her son,” prosecutors wrote. They added that the mother asked Chauvin to take his knee off her son four times because her son couldn’t breathe, but that Chauvin maintained his position and replied that her son, who Chauvin described as 6 feet, 2 inches tall and at least 240 pounds, was “a big guy.” 
 

Prosecutors say the body camera footage showed Chauvin was kneeling on the 14-year-old boy’s back for a total of 17 minutes despite repeated requests by the teenager to turn him on his back because he couldn’t breathe. 

Prosecutors argue that this incident from Chauvin’s past is relevant to his trial in the killing of Floyd because it shows intent to harm. Chauvin faces intentional second-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter in the Memorial Day killing.

“Chauvin grabbed the child by the throat, forced him to the ground in the prone position, and placed his knee on the child’s neck with so much force that the child began to cry out in pain and tell Chauvin he could not breathe,” prosecutors wrote. “And just like with Floyd, Chauvin ignored those pleas and refused to provide medical assistance.”

Minnesota’s second-degree unintentional murder statute requires proof that a person caused the death of another “without intent to effect the death of any person, while intentionally inflicting or attempting to inflict bodily harm upon the victim.”

Prosecutors argue that the incident with the 14-year-old teen shows Chauvin has a pattern of using excessive force, immediately disregarding the circumstances and resorting to physical restraint when faced with someone who’s resisting arrest. 

Also, during his career, he was involved in three police shootings, one of which was fatal. 

Jesus fucking Christ. The man’s a psychopath.

[Guest Lobo]

The things Chauvin had to do to make it home to his family alive each night.  

I think it's time some people realize the chilling truth.  Maybe your family doesn't want you to make it home alive to them tonight.  Maybe it's best you lay down.  

[Cajun 11705]

Guy is a piece of shit and is exactly where he belongs.

[ChiTownDoc 21139]

1 hour ago, Cajun said:

Guy is a piece of shit and is exactly where he belongs.

We already buried him?

[fattyflattie 4639]

4 hours ago, Johnny Sack said:

I’ve dealt with game wardens my entire life all over this state.  And I feel like the Lone Star Law portrayal is pretty much what I’ve experienced.  
 

The ones in Frio County where our family place is are extremely professional.   They helped bust a poacher who killed a deer with 21 score-able points (10 point main frame) doing some damn solid police work and DNA gathering.  It’s a long story.  But let’s just say a certain well known flounder guide in Matagorda who had been poaching our place and others in the area for years now has a felony and can’t own a gun anymore.  
 

Mark Talasek, fuck you.  

Got invited as a fill in spot once with him.  Suffice to say he didn’t really gaf about the details of the law.  I’ll leave it at that.  Other than that though, we crushed the trout in the AM then gigged that night.  
 

I’m probably almost 50/50 with my experiences with wardens.  My worst police encounters have been with them, and have had several that were level.  I take game laws very seriously, which is what pisses me off when I get a bad one.  But anecdotally, due to my past experiences (never any infractions or issue) I loath when one pulls up. 

[Cajun 11705]

4 hours ago, ChiTownDoc said:

We already buried him?

He needs to suffer awhile before we do that.

[Judge Roybeanbag 11819]

8 hours ago, Johnny Sack said:

I’ve dealt with game wardens my entire life all over this state.  And I feel like the Lone Star Law portrayal is pretty much what I’ve experienced.  
 

The ones in Frio County where our family place is are extremely professional.   They helped bust a poacher who killed a deer with 21 score-able points (10 point main frame) doing some damn solid police work and DNA gathering.  It’s a long story.  But let’s just say a certain well known flounder guide in Matagorda who had been poaching our place and others in the area for years now has a felony and can’t own a gun anymore.  
 

Mark Talasek, fuck you.  

The majority of my interactions with game wardens have been good.  However the crew down at Port Mansfield sucked ass.  Improperly ticketed 3 of our group for having fillets in their cooler.  Tickets were dismissed at headquarters in Austin but I doubt the warden was reprimanded.  

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

We have a group of guys that do an annual fly fishing trip. This group consists of normal Joes, and then we have a couple federal prosecutors, an ex WH counsel, SCOTUS clerk, a couple other general lawyer types, and the rest of us schlubs. All respectable, pretty straight arrow guys that don't cause trouble.

We take our kids along, and it's a great time. We were camping  in a small national park campground, and a couple federal level park police come thru one night, and they acted like complete assholes grilling our group, seeing a table full of liquor and wine, and thinking the worst (we're pretty chill in our middle age).  Finally they leave, but they come back later (2:00 in the morning), and the trouble starts.

We set up the backs of SUVs for the smaller kids to car camp. One of the cops is flashing his flashlight all over our camp, looking in cars, and one of the younger kids gets spooked, and start calling for his dad, hits the door lock, and locks himself in the car (keys were with his dad of course). The cop starts yelling that we've locked a kid in a car, and starts threatening to break the glass, and to arrest people if we don't get him out immediately.  Dick doesn't even begin to describe this guys storm trooper attitude. He was literally gonna haul one of our buds off to jail for child endangerment.  Luckily the federal law boys talked, and semi threatened him off the ledge. The guy still got a ticket, and had to fight it in court (it was thrown out).

Typically the local game wardens are always chill, and friendly, and we offer whatever is on the grill at the time for a snack.  Had one female game warden come by one evening, and she said "I just wanted to put a face to y'all, you're being fine, and not causing any noise issues" (we have about 8-12 guys).

She said she'd come by earlier in the day, and saw the picnic table full of alcohol (while we were all off fishing) and thought oh shit here's trouble later.  She told us once she walked up on the table she knew there weren't gonna be any issues with us. (Typically she would see cases of cheap beer, bottles of jack Daniels, and fireball. ). Once she saw the Blantons, bottles of stags leap, ports, Eagle Rare, Woodford, and Makers, expensive bottles of scotch, etc. she said she knew she wasn't gonna have any trouble from our group.

Edited April 28, 2021 by Onboard 2.0

[bad_teammate 13185]

Different types of criminal.

Beer drinkers litter, make noise, and crap in the parking lot.
Expensive scotch drinkers steal wages, cheat on taxes, and buy politicians to perpetuate social evil.

Very disappointed in the female game warden's lack of class consciousness. She should've poisoned the expensive scotch.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

2 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Different types of criminal.

Beer drinkers litter, make noise, and crap in the parking lot.
Expensive scotch drinkers steal wages, cheat on taxes, and buy politicians to perpetuate social evil.

Very disappointed in the female game warden's lack of class consciousness. She should've poisoned the expensive scotch.

Right... generally a muuuuuuch better class of people....  These guys all prosecute those guys.  They were on the drug (dealer) prosecution, and white collar crime side of the game.

[52-80 19142]

37 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

She told us once she walked up on the table she knew there weren't gonna be any issues with us. (Typically she would see cases of cheap beer, bottles of jack Daniels, and fireball. ). Once she saw the Blantons, bottles of stags leap, ports, Eagle Rare, Woodford, and Makers, expensive bottles of scotch, etc. she said she knew she wasn't gonna have any trouble from our group.

#eliminate prejudice

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

7 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

#eliminate prejudice

The struggle is real.

[Poe It Up 126]

So I’ve been driving by this house at the front of the neighborhood that has a blue porch light and kept thinking “man, look at this fucking pot head and his damn neon lights.” But, it turns out that is meant to convey support for officers and their families. Total mind blow. 

[Gatorubet 30183]

So I’ve been driving by this house at the front of the neighborhood that has a blue porch light and kept thinking “man, look at this fucking pot head and his damn neon lights.” But, it turns out that is meant to convey support for officers and their families. Total mind blow. 

You could shoot their dog to show your support.

[clapclapclap 9000]

Sheriff's office asked the judge to release the video, DA argued against release, judge sided with the DA.

 

https://abc11.com/bodycam-video-in-andrew-brown-killing-not-to-be-released-for-30-days/10555803/

The body camera video in the killing of Andrew Brown Jr. will not be released publicly for at least 30 days, a judge ruled Wednesday.

Judge Jeffrey Foster said the video was of "compelling public interest." However, he said public release of the video could harm the ongoing investigation into the case and post a "threat to administration of justice."

That's why he put a hold on public release of the video for now. He said the video could be released in 30 days and had to be released within 45 days.

In the meantime, Brown's son Khalil Ferebee and an attorney will be allowed to see all of the video within 10 days...

 

...During the court hearing on Wednesday, District Attorney Andrew Womble said Brown's car struck deputies before they started shooting.

"The video, the body cam video, clearly shows Mr. Brown's car in a stationary position when approached by law enforcement, and they begin to shout commands. The car is still stationary when law enforcement officers grab the door handle, still shouting commands. The car goes in a reverse position," he said. "The law enforcement officer is forced to release the door handle, and the car is backing up--those were the comments made by Miss Cherry-Lassiter (attorney representing Brown family), the car backing up, those movements. The car then stops; it is stationary once again. As it backs up it does make contact with law enforcement officers. At this point the car is stationary, there is no movement and officers are positioned around the car. The next movement of the car is forward, it is in the direction of law enforcement and makes contact with law enforcement. It is then and only then you hear shots..."

 

...Judge Jeffrey Foster acknowledged the intense national scrutiny over this case, but made it clear his decision would not take into account any of those pressures.

"There will be no decision made based on political whims of elected officials," Foster said.

The judge said there were three options for how he could rule in the various petitions to release the bodycam video. He could rule that the video be disclosed to the party requesting access, the video could be released (a copy made) for the party requesting access, the video release could be denied, or the video release could be delayed.

Arguing before the judge Wednesday was Pasquotank County Attorney Michael Cox, District Attorney Andrew Womble, attorney H.P. Williams representing unnamed individuals, and attorney Mike Tadych representing various media members.

Cox briefly argued that the sheriff's office was legally bound to not release the video when first asked to do so by Brown's family. He said North Carolina law gives that decision solely to the judge.

Cox went on to say the sheriff's office now formally requests the video be released to Brown's family and the media.

"(This) sad event has drawn great public interest and scrutiny. While the body cam footage only shows one perspective for a limited period of time, it might give the public some ability to understand what happened that day," Cox said.

District Attorney Womble spoke for the longest amount of time. He laid out an argument for why he supported the release of the video to Brown's family as well as the public, but he wanted to do it in a controlled environment so as to not corrupt the legal process.

"(Release of the video now) will hinder the orderly administration of justice, and it will hinder a fair trial," Womble said.

He went on to say there are two scenarios in which the video should be released to the public: The first is in open court during a jury trial. The second is during a press conference held by Womble, if he decides not to pursue charges, where he would show the video and explain his reasoning.

"What I have asked is disclosure and release," Womble said. "I want your honor to complete this investigation--or the SBI to complete this investigation--let me review it, make my decision and then everybody can Monday morning quarterback me."

Williams spoke after Womble. Williams said he represented attorneys and clients who did not want to be identified due to a fear for their own safety.

He argued police were justified in shooting Andrew Brown: "The officers are very distraught over what happened. They feel for the family of Andrew Brown. But, as Mr. Womble described to you, we believe that the shooting was justified."

He argued that the video should not be released, but that if the judge deemed it necessary it should be released in one of the controlled scenarios Womble laid out....(snip)

 

 

A little more background from yesterday:
 

https://www.foxnews.com/us/andrew-brown-jr-shooting-search-warrant-north-carolina-elizabeth-city

Andrew Brown Jr. – a Black man fatally shot as sheriff's deputies executed a warrant in Elizabeth City, N.C., on April 21 – was described as a drug dealer in the Pasquotank County area and had a criminal rap sheet over 180 pages long and dating back to May 1988, according to a copy of the search warrant and other records obtained by Fox News...

Edited April 28, 2021 by clapclapclap

[Guest Lobo]

I know it's typical for the police and their apologists to release the criminal record of someone wrongfully murdered by police.  But his 180 page rap sheet "dating back to May 1988"?  That's bullshit even for bootlickers.  They can't get the video of the shooting unsealed for 30 days, but they can get his juvenile record from when he was 13 and 14 out to the public and media in just a few days?  

Anybody notice what's wrong with that picture?  

Just because somebody had priors doesn't mean you can execute them in their driveway.  Same way you can't excuse away a rape because the woman had a history of being promiscuous.  That's not how the law works.  That's not how morality works.  

And it's really fucked up that the police and state investigation unit came to this compromise, "They want to see the whole thing?  Nah, we can't do that.  We'll hide behind that it's part of a sensitive ongoing investigation and can't release it for several weeks.  What?  They have to see a part of it, today?  Fuck me.  Okay, here's what we do...fast forward to the most graphic part...where he receives multiple rounds to the back and head and show that to his children and then stop the tape.  That's humane, right?"  

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20 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Police unions are a chicken or egg question.  They are an extension of police culture.  It's not clear which came first, but currently it is an ouroboros of disregard for public welfare.

I think it's clear a segment of Americans have an affinity towards unquestioned support for authoritarian bullies. Mainly because they believe they will never be the target.