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10 minutes ago, MaybeACoordinator said:

Somehow I have acquired 4k Facebook friends, and I would guess about 20-25 percent of them are "brown." I polled all of them on what they thought of the term "Latinx" (and specifically told White people this was not a question I was interested in hearing from them on) and I got a whole range of answers, very few of them Latinx-positive. Mexican, Mexican-American, Tejano/a, and indigenous came in before Hispanic or Latino/a, both of which came before Chicano/a (seen as Californian), and all way before Latinx. which had maybe two or three adherents.

And of course a bunch of White people weighed in anyway, and were rightly chewed out for their arrogance and refusal to follow instructions. 

 

A lot of this is exactly what Carville said. The headline writer did the interview an injustice. Carville said that yes, the Dems won the presidency, but that it was much closer than it should have been against a historic buffoon of an opponent. He went out of his way to specifically acknowledge Georgia. But he also said that the House results were a disaster, all things considered.

And that Dems can't control their own messaging was his true overarching point. Repubs find the fringiest Dem slogans for good ideas and turn them into nightmare scenarios: "reimagine public safety" becomes "abolish the police," to name one example. In other words, it's not "woke" policies Carville opposes, but the selling of them, and he sees the Dems as arrogant and overly high-minded in their pitches. 

Chuckle. What pitches? We don’t make pitches. We respond to mischaracterizations of our policy positions.

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I passed within a couple of feet of Carville one day in Alexandria riding my bike on a path. For a split-second that spot had the two funniest looking people in America.

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2 hours ago, Goredho said:

Hey, guys.  All this LatinX talk is nice and all, but what I really want to know is who you guys think is worse: Hitler, Stalin or Mao?

To even ask this is an implicit defense of Hitler. Shame on you.

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10 hours ago, DonkeyCigars said:

Sir, if you are going to send people down rabbit holes based on perceptions of them, it's only fair you read this interview. This guy was known as the best Simpsons writer, during the golden era of The Simpsons and is famously reclusive, giving his first interview in 21 years. 

He answers questions like you would if you were less funny. Enjoy:

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/the-new-yorker-interview/john-swartzwelder-sage-of-the-simpsons

And of course I take the New Yorker and of course you don't, so if you can't read this let me know and I'll copy/paste it for you.

I am actually sitting next to a paper copy of the NYT that I just brought in from the drive, but we never bothered to give them our info for the online edition because we don't take devices up into the bedroom except for days when we are filming porn. (I'm in the kitchen brewing coffee on the opposite of a Keurig right now, for the over-analytical.)

Originally we subscribed to the Birmingham News, but those worthies got taken over by people who don't read newspapers and who decided A. that they'd fill the paper with events in Huntsville and Mobile, towns I have less contact with than I do with half the non-Alabama world, and B. (deal breaker) decided they'd go non-daily, no paper some days, then on Wednesday publish a monster compendium of Deep Thought. I've already got things like that. They're called books.

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17 hours ago, Bama Chick said:


“Woke” is just the modern term for “political correctness”.

Period.

Go listen to the PC episode of the podcast “You’re Wrong About”. It’s fantastic. This week’s episode is about The (Dixie) Chicks.

Now THAT is a real example of celebrities getting “cancelled” and it wasn’t perpetuated by the left.

It’s all nothing but a middle age white dude moral panic about “EVERYTHING IS CHANGING” and I don’t like because I’m being “forced” to act right.

It’s all garbage right wing crap.

Conservatives also tried to cancel video games, sex movies (not just porn either), and any television show that dared to have a gay character. They invented cancel culture. It is all hypocrisy with them, but critics always want to pretend its the left's problem. It's just another big lie.

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1 hour ago, bad_teammate said:

rd doesn't know the difference between the New Yorker and NYT

But the joke's on me, for I am entirely illiterate. I sit with The Economist in public paces making profound faces and fascinated noises hoping someone thinks I'm smart

Oh. I know the difference. I just can't read. No, I don't take the New Yorker, and I miss those little cartoons where dogs and cats talk to their owners in italics.

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3 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

Oh. I know the difference. I just can't read. No, I don't take the New Yorker, and I miss those little cartoons where dogs and cats talk to their owners in italics.

you forgot to mention the nearly impenetrable obtuse irony to the point of rendering the things not funny at all.

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rd doesn't know the difference between the New Yorker and NYT

But the joke's on me, for I am entirely illiterate. I sit with The Economist in public paces making profound faces and fascinated noises hoping someone thinks I'm smart

What I Imagine Strangers Think About Me When They See Me Reading a Book in Public: 

https://www.newyorker.com/humor/daily-shouts/what-i-imagine-strangers-think-about-me-when-they-see-me-reading-a-book-in-public

 

That girl is so charming and uncomplicated, sitting there quietly reading her book.

That girl could be on her phone but she chose to read a book instead. I bet she has never watched a full season of “House Hunters International” in a single day.

I’m overwhelmed by the simple elegance of that girl with her book. I have the urge to tell her a secret or buy her a lavender-scented candle.

That girl strikes me as someone who has moderate to advanced knitting skills, but isn’t weird about it.

I’m very attracted to that girl. Not in a creepy way. But she is objectively hot.

That girl, over there—the one with the book. I’m positive that all of the art in her home is framed.

That girl must look very beautiful when she cries.

That girl surely woke up at 7 a.m. and baked a strawberry tart “just because.”

Look at how gingerly that girl grasps her book. Her hands seem soft but not sweaty. I would like to hold one.

Love Lessons from a Forty-Four-Year-Old Plant Shop in New York City

That girl could plan an outdoor barn wedding that is unique but tasteful.

That girl definitely has an artisanal marmalade that she swears by in her fridge.

That girl has never betrayed someone. She has never lied. I would trust her to hold my diary and never open it.

That girl could explain the Electoral College to me in a way that isn’t patronizing at all.

I don’t know why, but seeing that girl serenely reading her book just inspired me to finally call my sister.

That girl has the kind of calming presence that you would want around when taking the LSAT or birthing a child.

Seeing that tranquil girl reading her book just reminded me that everything is going to be O.K.

That girl is definitely reading that book. This is not a performance. Although, it is strange that after fifteen minutes she’s still on the same page.

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2 hours ago, RDCanecutter said:

I am actually sitting next to a paper copy of the NYT that I just brought in from the drive, but we never bothered to give them our info for the online edition because we don't take devices up into the bedroom except for days when we are filming porn. (I'm in the kitchen brewing coffee on the opposite of a Keurig right now, for the over-analytical.)

Originally we subscribed to the Birmingham News, but those worthies got taken over by people who don't read newspapers and who decided A. that they'd fill the paper with events in Huntsville and Mobile, towns I have less contact with than I do with half the non-Alabama world, and B. (deal breaker) decided they'd go non-daily, no paper some days, then on Wednesday publish a monster compendium of Deep Thought. I've already got things like that. They're called books.

Read the reclusive comedy writer's interview. When this guy talks about forcing the Simpsons to let him work from home because of his prodigious chain smoking habit and how nobody could work around him, that somehow reminds me of you in your mild and lovable cantankerousness. 

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12 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

you forgot to mention the nearly impenetrable obtuse irony to the point of rendering the things not funny at all.

To be too smart and funny and cool for the New Yorker is so cheugy. It's come back around and is again on trend.

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3 minutes ago, MaybeACoordinator said:

Here we are talking about race, wokeness, and certain publications that signify taste and erudition, and nobody has mentioned Miami Beach, and its many Black men who take their breakfast daily with a copy of the Financial Times. 

Is this a Randy Newman song?

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News is dead. Print is dead. I only read post-modern fan fiction of Norse mythology. The ironic feminist critique of Snorri that proclaims that the gods are all dead really makes you think.

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1 minute ago, Mole said:

News is dead. Print is dead. I only read post-modern fan fiction of Norse mythology. The ironic feminist critique of Snorri that proclaims that the gods are all dead really makes you think.

I used to read that too. Derivative Nietzsche; no new ground covered. Old. You can have it. Makes me look ancient.

 

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An ode to a bit player in barbarity, which got Foley banned from Kerrville for life.

Spoiler

Idi Amin should be hung by his nose
In front of his palace without any clothes
Tied up with barbed wire and beat up with sticks
Relieved of his insides and filled up with bricks

He calls on his neighbors for three meals a day
He don't save his scraps he just throws them away
Hangs them and shoots them and tells God they died
He likes them toasted and pickled and fried

Kampala Uganda on Saturday night
Idi Amin just stepped out for a bite
The waitress she ask him, "Can I help you please?"
Platter of elbows, a bowl full of knees

He has got medals all over his chest
He didn't win them he stole them I guess
Ears in his pockets and eyes in his stew
Don't try to stop him 'cause he might eat you (chomp chomp chomp chomp)

Newspapers say he's got social disease
He screams in the bathroom whenever he pees
His sons and his daughters got syphilitic brains
They don't even plug in their electric trains (poor kids)

Idi Amin just got married again
Instead of champagne they served penicillin
Rings on his fingers and sores on his toes
His shankers go with him wherever he goes

Even his doggy got syphilis too
If you were his doggy he'd give it to you
The sheep's in the meadow, the cow's in the corn
He eats their babies as soon as they're born (what an awful shithead)

Idi Amin should be hung by his balls
Cut into pieces and tacked to the walls
So all of his horses and all of his men
Could never put Idi together again
Could never put Idi together again
Amin

Spoilered ‘cause it’s offensive and woke.

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5 hours ago, 'stache said:

Conservatives also tried to cancel video games, sex movies (not just porn either), and any television show that dared to have a gay character. They invented cancel culture. It is all hypocrisy with them, but critics always want to pretend its the left's problem. It's just another big lie.

Come to the Florida Sunshine Tree.

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I think Carville is right about the "woke" problem, for the moral-policing reasons expressed here by philosophy professor Ben Burgis:

 

“It seems to me that many people who I agree with politically, who have all the same political goals as I do, as a leftist, as a democratic socialist... have bought into to a great extent a way of doing politics that’s much more about individual morality," he said.

Burgis described the current push among liberals as more focused on "whether people are problematic as people, than it is about trying to appeal to the broadest possible mass of people in order to actually achieve all of those goals that we say we care about.” 



https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/551748-jacobin-columnist-left-increasingly-participating-in-moralistic-policing

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