Carville: Democrats have a wokeness problem

[bad_teammate 13132]

Feeling the urge to "at least they didn't" on behalf of the Nazis completely unprompted is just a weird mental space that I don't understand.

[workswithseed 2037]

2 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Feeling the urge to "at least they didn't" on behalf of the Nazis completely unprompted is just a weird mental space that I don't understand.

I'm sorry that you're kissing cousins with fascism, and you feel attacked. At least you haven't said that they're not socialist since they killed socialist. I'll ask the mensheviks how they felt about the bolsheviks.

[wildcat09 29257]

The child has finally gotten to a 5 minute prageru video about the Russian revolution and thinks he's an expert. God help us.

[workswithseed 2037]

1 minute ago, wildcat09 said:

The child has finally gotten to a 5 minute prageru video about the Russian revolution and thinks he's an expert. God help us.

Oh no, I know things! 

[Nivek 16860]

I'm not sure most of the people on the right who complain about cancel culture understand that.

They are too busy complaining to their crucifix about how they are being tortured unfairly.

[Nivek 16860]

Oh no, I know things! 

Otto West/workswithseed: Apes don't read philosophy.

Wanda/Nivek : Yes they do, Otto. They just don't understand it. Now let me correct you on a couple of things, OK? Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of Buddhism is not "Every man for himself." And the London Underground is not a political movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked them up.

[hpslugga 4044]

26 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

Oh no, I know things! 

That's adorable

[workswithseed 2037]

Just now, hpslugga said:

That's adorable

I learned all my economic lessons from rap battles.

 

[hpslugga 4044]

Again, that's adorable.

[hayden_horn 11360]

1 hour ago, workswithseed said:

I'm sorry that you're kissing cousins with fascism, and you feel attacked. At least you haven't said that they're not socialist since they killed socialist. I'll ask the mensheviks how they felt about the bolsheviks.

it's weird. you think you are making some big point, but you aren't. 

i don't think many on this board would disagree that nazi fascism and communist russia didn't have a lot in common. they were both authoritarian states that purged a significant number of their population in order to retain power. they didn't even dress that differently. at least mao put on a bit of a show, but even then, communist china was largely authoritarian. hell, a bunch of fucksticks stormed the capitol in dc in large part to install an authoritarian government leader in our democratic republic. 

what point exactly are you trying to make? 

[Tuco 5076]

15 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

I actually didn't say "coastal elites" until you brought the phrase up. I said "coastal voters" and you translated that to "coastal elites" in order to create a confrontation. Either that or you actually read "coastal elites" because you're locked into some kind of eternal binary partisan struggle and will invent arguments if one doesn't have the decency to pre-exist.

I also included people who "control/create culture", another phrase you ignored in a desire to start a fight.

Academia and media personalities live and work in service of the 0.1%. From the Ivies to the media boardrooms.

On the first part, you are right.  I misread it and it does materially change what you were saying.  But I still think you are running with typical Republican talking points about the liberal wealthy controlling academia and culture.  Your basic premise allows one to easily jump to "scientists are fabricating climate change research because Soros" bullshit.  But, there isn't really any factual claims there, so it's pointless to debate. 

[hpslugga 4044]

1 minute ago, hayden_horn said:

it's weird. you think you are making some big point, but you aren't. 

i don't think many on this board would disagree that nazi fascism and communist russia didn't have a lot in common. they were both authoritarian states that purged a significant number of their population in order to retain power. they didn't even dress that differently. at least mao put on a bit of a show, but even then, communist china was largely authoritarian. hell, a bunch of fucksticks stormed the capitol in dc in large part to install an authoritarian government leader in our democratic republic. 

what point exactly are you trying to make? 

When you begin with a premise that the Soviet Union had even the vaguest connection to the concept of socialism, the inevitable answer to your question is, obviously, "snausages."

[workswithseed 2037]

4 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

it's weird. you think you are making some big point, but you aren't. 

i don't think many on this board would disagree that nazi fascism and communist russia didn't have a lot in common. they were both authoritarian states that purged a significant number of their population in order to retain power. they didn't even dress that differently. at least mao put on a bit of a show, but even then, communist china was largely authoritarian. hell, a bunch of fucksticks stormed the capitol in dc in large part to install an authoritarian government leader in our democratic republic. 

what point exactly are you trying to make? 

Being a group called antifa doesn't make you good. That's where started.

 

4 minutes ago, hpslugga said:

When you begin with a premise that the Soviet Union had even the vaguest connection to the concept of socialism, the inevitable answer to your question is, obviously, "snausages."

Not true form! Catalonia though, except the socialist killed them off. Wait.

[hayden_horn 11360]

1 minute ago, workswithseed said:

Being a group called antifa doesn't make you good. That's where started.

 

Not true form! Catalonia though, except the socialist killed them off. Wait.

it's okay for me not to understand and not to engage with people who can barely form coherent sentences and points.

[bad_teammate 13132]

3 minutes ago, Tuco said:

But I still think you are running with typical Republican talking points about the liberal wealthy controlling academia and culture. 

That's probably because "Democrat v Republican" is the extent of your ability to think about these things.

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Your basic premise allows one to easily jump to "scientists are fabricating climate change research because Soros" bullshit. 

no
lol

Some statements that should be fairly uncontroversial:
- Academia and the media are more Democratic in leaning and more "woke" in identity politics than the middle of the country.
- The mainstream media is controlled by both graduates of academia and the extremely wealthy. (the former in the employ of the latter)
- The values of people creating a product will be reflected in the product itself.

1 hour ago, workswithseed said:

I'm sorry that you're kissing cousins with fascism, and you feel attacked. At least you haven't said that they're not socialist since they killed socialist. I'll ask the mensheviks how they felt about the bolsheviks.

My darling boy, how often do I feel the need to, unbidden and unprompted, bring up the USSR defensively? Never.

If the tired USSR/Nazi Germany thing comes up I'll point out the obvious reality that the Nazis were far, far worse. But there doesn't live within me the desire to find any opportunity to "WELL, ACTUALLY!" on behalf of Joseph Stalin as exists in you regarding Herr Hitler.

You should reflect on that. It's disturbing.

[workswithseed 2037]

Just now, bad_teammate said:

That's probably because "Democrat v Republican" is the extent of your ability to think about these things.

no
lol

Some statements that should be fairly uncontroversial:
- Academia and the media are more Democratic in leaning and more "woke" in identity politics than the middle of the country.
- The mainstream media is controlled by both graduates of academia and the extremely wealthy. (the former in the employ of the latter)
- The values of people creating a product will be reflected in the product itself.

My darling boy, how often do I feel the need to, unbidden and unprompted, bring up the USSR defensively? Never.

If the tired USSR/Nazi Germany thing comes up I'll point out the obvious reality that the Nazis were far, far worse. But there doesn't live within me the desire to find any opportunity to "WELL, ACTUALLY!" on behalf of Joseph Stalin as exists in you regarding Herr Hitler.

You should reflect on that. It's disturbing.

Im sad that Hitler wasn't killed when he was a soldier. But you can be sad that Hitler was a socialist, but only for a an ethnic race, but socialist non the least.

[bad_teammate 13132]

4 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

Im sad that Hitler wasn't killed when he was a soldier. But you can be sad that Hitler was a socialist, but only for a an ethnic race, but socialist non the least.

Crowder-level intellect on display

[Js1 85110]

Wait who does workswithjizz thinks is kissing cousins with fascism?  Liberals/socialists?

Not the group who tried to overthrow a democratic transfer of power and enact a fungelical white ethnic state where only the whitest and richest get to have a say? 

[DonkeyCigars 144]

Can we all just agree that in a stack ranking of things that suck, Hitler is #1 and it's not close.

We all know Antifa also sucks really horribly bad, but we aren't Mel Kiper's making a living stack ranking or making mock drafts of all things and people that suck and so why does that even matter?

[wildcat09 29257]

Antifa is cool, actually. Plenty of them are idiots, but people who will punch nazis in the face are cool in my book.

[Willfully Horn 7915]

15 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

Academia and media personalities live and work in service of the 0.1%

 

2 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

system

You can be a difficult poster to follow.

[bad_teammate 13132]

Adolf Hitler vs Otto Strasser - a two-day debate about the future of the Nazi Party in 1930

Hitler:
- no reclaiming of private property
- outright rejection of international solidarity
- no intervention into big business
- the masses of workers are stupid and need to be ruled
- wealthy industrialists are at the top because of their natural superiority
- state intervention destroys economies
- opposition to worker and trade unions

"Socialism" in Hitler's conception was merely a concept about all tools of the society working for the good of the society. In his conception of that, the racially pure and the powerful/wealthy were the good of society.

Understanding this requires reading. So... too difficult for some.

[bad_teammate 13132]

Just now, Willfully Horn said:

You can be a difficult poster to follow.

If you work within a system or machine that serves a purpose, your work serves that machine's purpose. It doesn't matter what your intentions are or what your beliefs and values are. Identity politics gives those within that system a way to feel morally superior while still serving the needs of the 0.1% and maintaining their status and paychecks.

Get a six-figure salary for approving a trans flag to fly above the logo at Raytheon HQ. Make $35k to give a speech about white fragility on the Apple Campus.

etc...

[wildcat09 29257]

Just now, bad_teammate said:

Adolf Hitler vs Otto Strasser - a two-day debate about the future of the Nazi Party in 1930

Hitler:
- no reclaiming of private property
- outright rejection of international solidarity
- no intervention into big business
- the masses of workers are stupid and need to be ruled
- wealthy industrialists are at the top because of their natural superiority
- state intervention destroys economies
- opposition to worker and trade unions

"Socialism" in Hitler's conception was merely a concept about all tools of the society working for the good of the society. In his conception of that, the racially pure and the powerful/wealthy were the good of society.

Understanding this requires reading. So... too difficult for some.

My most "the goddamned kids these days!" internal rant revolves around the fact that so many only learn from Youtube. There's a few good Youtube creators, but it's much more entertainment than education and it's not just a worse way to learn, it's a way less engaging way to actually learn, than just reading shit. Reading shit you're interested in is fun! More zoomers should try it!

[David Dennison 18659]

11 minutes ago, DonkeyCigars said:

Can we all just agree that in a stack ranking of things that suck, Hitler is #1 and it's not close.

We all know Antifa also sucks really horribly bad, but we aren't Mel Kiper's making a living stack ranking or making mock drafts of all things and people that suck and so why does that even matter?

Stalin is up there. Hitler had more flair.

[Willfully Horn 7915]

3 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

If you work within a system or machine that serves a purpose, your work serves that machine's purpose

[DonkeyCigars 144]

15 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Antifa is cool, actually. Plenty of them are idiots, but people who will punch nazis in the face are cool in my book.

I went to a couple of Black Panther meetings. The time for non-violent revolution is past. More power to the people!

[hpslugga 4044]

53 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

Not true form! Catalonia though, except the socialist killed them off. Wait.

Ashtray soda pop dingo?

It’s funny because everyone here agrees that the Nazis were fascists, even though fascism is diametrically opposed to socialism in every conceivable way. And yet we still agree on that point, despite the fact that “Nazi” is slang for “National Socialist.” We all agree that they were not socialists in the slightest, and we all agree that they were merely using that word to boost their credibility with the broad population (since back in those days, the concept of socialism had a very real moral appeal globally).

Why do we not afford the same cynical mentality to the Soviet Union? As hayden said a moment ago, “i don't think many on this board would disagree that nazi fascism and communist russia didn't have a lot in common. they were both authoritarian states that purged a significant number of their population in order to retain power. they didn't even dress that differently.”

And why is he correct? Because they were both whoring the terms socialist/communist to appeal to the populations of both societies. But both were fascistic. How do we know this? Easy: apply the actual definitions of each concept, juxtapose them to what actually took place in Germany/Russia and see what you get.

Please feel free to do your own research, but it’s been my observation since I began looking into this 14 years ago that what took place in those two countries had almost everything to do with fascism and hardly anything (if at all) to do with socialism.

Socialism is an anarchic movement that seeks to restore "workers control of the means of production," which is the core definition of the term. And it's very hard to imply either society was even remotely befitting to that concept when you consider the kind of union/council busting that went on (Russia was particularly awful and it was done almost immediately under Lenin, so Stalin can't even claim credit for that). Yeah, they flew the flag, but if all you do is fly a flag, you're not socialist, fascist, capitalist, etc. You're just a fan of a fucking team, and as a fan of that team, you will follow that team down every weird ass road...like when Republicans offer apologetics for covfefe. 

So why didn’t they simply call themselves the “Fascist Party?” Simply put, fascism had no broad appeal. It never has, does not, and likely never will. Yes, there are fringe elements of each society to support that crap, but it isn’t nearly enough to literally take over an entire country. If the Nazis were called the Nationalfaschistische Deutsche Partei, and if what became of the Bolsheviks were called the Fashistskaya partiya Sovetskogo Soyuza, my guess is hardly any of us would even know who Adolf Hitler or Joseph Stalin even were, much less would they’ve built the horrid legacies that they did.

tl;dr: I've never offered this before because I struggled to find an example that UT fans could clearly understand, but here it is:

Nazi Germany/USSR promoting themselves as "socialist countries"=30 year old Ron Weaver passing himself off as 23 year old Ron McKelvey

[JimmyJames 12271]

Yep. The Republican Party can call itself whatever it wants but it has now become a fascist party that worships at the alter of trump. Just like the German national socialist party worshipped at the alter of hitler. 

[JimmyJames 12271]

And Ron Mckelvey was actually a decent backup corner. Didn’t like the Ron weaver guy as much as he fucked up my first trip to New Orleans. 

[bad_teammate 13132]

42 minutes ago, hpslugga said:

Why do we not afford the same cynical mentality to the Soviet Union?

Because they're wildly different historical stories.

Naziism is centrally identified with a single figure from its birth to its death. Naziism is exactly what it was designed to be and was shepherded along its path by its creator and died with that creator.

The rise of the USSR wasn't the brainchild of one charismatic master leader who then built it all through his unique power, ruled it entirely for himself, and then whose death spelled the natural end of the movement. It started before Stalin and survived him. Thrived after him, in fact.

The only reason one would want to just lump them in together and dismiss them both as equally vile is for political expedience; a conversational strategy to appease, create common ground and move forward to some other issue. Which is fine, but that doesn't mean it actually holds water and makes sense.

The USSR was absolutely not as bad as Nazi Germany. Not even close.

This is only controversial because so  many people have a very bizarre desire to rehabilitate the image of Adolf Hitler.

(not intended to sound antagonistic to slugga, sorry if it comes across that way)

Edited April 30, 2021 by bad_teammate

[Nivek 16860]

33 minutes ago, hpslugga said:

Ashtray soda pop dingo?

It’s funny because everyone here agrees that the Nazis were fascists, even though fascism is diametrically opposed to socialism in every conceivable way. And yet we still agree on that point, despite the fact that “Nazi” is slang for “National Socialist.” We all agree that they were not socialists in the slightest, and we all agree that they were merely using that word to boost their credibility with the broad population (since back in those days, the concept of socialism had a very real moral appeal globally).

Why do we not afford the same cynical mentality to the Soviet Union? As hayden said a moment ago, “i don't think many on this board would disagree that nazi fascism and communist russia didn't have a lot in common. they were both authoritarian states that purged a significant number of their population in order to retain power. they didn't even dress that differently.”

And why is he correct? Because they were both whoring the terms socialist/communist to appeal to the populations of both societies. But both were fascistic. How do we know this? Easy: apply the actual definitions of each concept, juxtapose them to what actually took place in Germany/Russia and see what you get.

Please feel free to do your own research, but it’s been my observation since I began looking into this 14 years ago that what took place in those two countries had almost everything to do with fascism and hardly anything (if at all) to do with socialism.

Socialism is an anarchic movement that seeks to restore "workers control of the means of production," which is the core definition of the term. And it's very hard to imply either society was even remotely befitting to that concept when you consider the kind of union/council busting that went on (Russia was particularly awful and it was done almost immediately under Lenin, so Stalin can't even claim credit for that). Yeah, they flew the flag, but if all you do is fly a flag, you're not socialist, fascist, capitalist, etc. You're just a fan of a fucking team, and as a fan of that team, you will follow that team down every weird ass road...like when Republicans offer apologetics for covfefe. 

So why didn’t they simply call themselves the “Fascist Party?” Simply put, fascism had no broad appeal. It never has, does not, and likely never will. Yes, there are fringe elements of each society to support that crap, but it isn’t nearly enough to literally take over an entire country. If the Nazis were called the Nationalfaschistische Deutsche Partei, and if what became of the Bolsheviks were called the Fashistskaya partiya Sovetskogo Soyuza, my guess is hardly any of us would even know who Adolf Hitler or Joseph Stalin even were, much less would they’ve built the horrid legacies that they did.

tl;dr: I've never offered this before because I struggled to find an example that UT fans could clearly understand, but here it is:

Nazi Germany/USSR promoting themselves as "socialist countries"=30 year old Ron Weaver passing himself off as 23 year old Ron McKelvey

You are getting so close to understanding. They think the Soviet Union is a Communist State because they claimed that.  They also have no problem recognizing that the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a dictatorship.  Nazi's are socialists not fascists.  They have ZERO problem with the inconsistency of their views.  You cannot change that.  You cannot educate the willfully ignorant.   You are just an elitist with your academic indoctrination if you point this out to them.  

[bad_teammate 13132]

But the guy who sells coffee mugs and wears a gun holster on his YouTube videos said Stalin was worse! CHECKMATE LIBS

[hpslugga 4044]

7 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Because they're wildly different historical stories.

Different stories, yes, but not different in their motive to pass themselves off as something that they weren't. As to which was worse, I think that's fairly obvious. No point in cockfighting those two. They were both nightmares, but the whole Lenin/Trotsky/Stalin thing was a much preferred nightmare to Hitler, who took the word "nightmare" to a whole other level. 

But my point is that with one, we're supposed to take their self-promotion seriously where as we're supposed to call bullshit on the other. My only point is to call bullshit on both in as far as the S-word is concerned.

 

Edited April 30, 2021 by hpslugga

[hayden_horn 11360]

2 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Because they're wildly different historical stories.

Naziism is centrally identified with a single figure from its birth to its death. Naziism is exactly what it was designed to be and was shepherded along its path by its creator and died with that creator.

The rise of the USSR wasn't the brainchild of one charismatic master leader who then built it all through his unique power, ruled it entirely for himself, and then whose death spelled the natural end of the movement. It started before Stalin and survived him. Thrived after him, in fact.

The only reason one would want to just lump them in together and dismiss them both as equally vile is for political expedience; a conversational strategy to appease, create common ground and move forward to some other issue. Which is fine, but that doesn't mean it actually holds water and makes sense.

The USSR was absolutely not as bad as Nazi Germany. Not even close.

This is only controversial because so  many people have a very bizarre desire to rehabilitate the image of Adolf Hitler.

uh, stalin and mao were way worse than hitler. they were just able to keep their shit on lockdown and not exposed to the scrutiny of invading armies. this is not at all to rehab the image of hitler or nazism, but we put him on an evil pedestal higher than the ones upon which we set stalin, mao, the khymer rouge, and any other number of genocides perpetrated upon mankind. the reason communist russia and china continued longer than the lifetime of a singular leader was because they weren't crushed by outside forces like nazi germany was. if hitler won the war or reached a reasonable ceasefire, it's very possible that nazism would have lived longer than hitler. 

[bad_teammate 13132]

12 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

uh, stalin and mao were way worse than hitler. 

Disturbing indictment of American education. Horrifying.

[hayden_horn 11360]

4 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Disturbing indictment of American education. Horrifying.

explain yourself. i gave my reasoning in my post. hitler was conquered and stopped. of course had he not been, he would have gone on to do more terrible things. stalin and mao were not stopped and their atrocities not wholly uncovered. by itself, the cultural revolution is by itself probably on par or worse than the holocaust. and that was just the one thing. stalin's purges were equally horrific. but they were free to operate within their own borders and their atrocities were not given the sunlight that the nazi concentration camps received. 

people are horrible, especially when authoritarian governments are in charge. trump tried his damndest to operate as an authoritarian and the republican congress let him. hell, we had our own concentration camps where we separated children from parents, and we did fuckall about it. 

mankind is ever on a razor's edge from authoritarianism. the government labels given by the authority don't really matter. a dictator gonna dictate.

at least negan was mostly honest.

[hpslugga 4044]

4 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

explain yourself. i gave my reasoning in my post. hitler was conquered and stopped. of course had he not been, he would have gone on to do more terrible things. stalin and mao were not stopped and their atrocities not wholly uncovered. by itself, the cultural revolution is by itself probably on par or worse than the holocaust. and that was just the one thing. stalin's purges were equally horrific. but they were free to operate within their own borders and their atrocities were not given the sunlight that the nazi concentration camps received. 

people are horrible, especially when authoritarian governments are in charge. trump tried his damndest to operate as an authoritarian and the republican congress let him. hell, we had our own concentration camps where we separated children from parents, and we did fuckall about it. 

mankind is ever on a razor's edge from authoritarianism. the government labels given by the authority don't really matter. a dictator gonna dictate.

at least negan was mostly honest.

That doesn’t make him better. 

[Dr. Teeth 5832]

When the Cyber Ninjas help bring down our democracy next month, I look forward to how this will blamed on trans kids.

[hayden_horn 11360]

8 minutes ago, hpslugga said:

That doesn’t make him better. 

look, i'm not here defending hitler as a good dude. he was awful. when you are discussing degrees of awful and body counts, you are dealing in perfidy and filth. i wouldn't like to say hitler was "better" than mao or stalin. but i would argue that the latter are worse, simply due to opportunity. hitler would have absolutely done worse, as would have his successors given the opportunity.

i understand how that doesn't make sense to people. 

[bad_teammate 13132]

Just now, hayden_horn said:

by itself, the cultural revolution is by itself probably on par or worse than the holocaust.

"probably"

That's the kind of cold, logical reasoning you can set your watch to.

Mao's Cultural Revolution - Let's say 2M dead in a population well over 650M
Stalin's Great Purge - Let's say 1M dead in a population around 170M
Hitler's Holocaust - Let's say 16M dead in a collection of nations with a collective population around 150M (not even counting the war he started)

And as you say, Hitler is the one who was actively stopped. Mao and Stalin each ruled for decades.

Obviously the three dictators had more atrocities than just those, but these are their historical party pieces.

You are a grown up human being who said "way worse than hitler"

You should be ashamed of yourself.

[bad_teammate 13132]

When you find yourself defending Hitler you really need to just stop and put the keyboard away.

I don't know why you freaks keep starting this. It's alarming.

[washparkhorn 9935]

Carville: Democrats have a wokeness problem

Majority of Americans: The nation has a red pilling problem

[wildcat09 29257]

Yeah, anyone who doesn't recognize that Hitler and naziism/fascism is absolutely worse than other historical monsters doesn't understand fascism nor whatever they think might be worse. They share a lot of characteristics, but there are some vital differences. The primary difference being that there is nothing else to fascism but murdering the other. To the extent fascism has an actual intellectual basis, that basis is the idea that the true ethnic nation is in a perpetual war against an "other" that threatens to exterminate the real volk if they're not exterminated first. That's it. It hardly even counts as an ethos. 

[burntorangebongos 10681]

On 4/29/2021 at 8:42 AM, Goredho said:

I don’t find much if anything to disagree with in what Carville had to say.  Democrats failing to look at 2020 election results and seeing they have work to do with people who don’t usually vote for them (rural America) and those who usually do but who strayed away (Latino voters on the border) is a huge mistake.

For well beyond his margin of victory, votes for Biden were votes against Trump.  Replace Trump with a slightly less abhorrent character and the Democrats lose.

The republicans poured money into ads on Telemundo and Mexican speaking radio stations talking about Joe taking away oil and shale field jobs and other type of jobs that make them middle class living down there, like border patrol. It worked. Dems need to do the same tactics but push 15 dollar minimum wage and free community College.  He wasn't all on the nose correct but the powers that be should heed what he is saying, imo.

[formermav43 4599]

31 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

When you find yourself defending Hitler you really need to just stop and put the keyboard away.

I don't know why you freaks keep starting this. It's alarming.

But defending Mao and Stalin with conservative death toll estimates is totally cool! 

[MaybeACoordinator 8349]

Comparison talk of bloodthirsty despots not going away

[Longhorn_Fan68 33843]

well know water head weighs in on "wokeness"

 

[Goredho 17349]

6 minutes ago, burntorangebongos said:

The republicans poured money into ads on Telemundo and Mexican speaking radio stations talking about Joe taking away oil and shale field jobs and other type of jobs that make them middle class living down there, like border patrol. It worked. Dems need to do the same tactics but push 15 dollar minimum wage and free community College.  He wasn't all on the nose correct but the powers that be should heed what he is saying, imo.

Yep, and it does not matter if you can disprove what the republicans are saying with a graph and an appeal to logic if voters feel so alienated by you that you are dismissed out of hand.

[F250 28691]

12 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

well know water head weighs in on "wokeness"

 

No shit Glenn. That music was specific to a time a place. It wouldn't have happened in the early 60's either.