Carville: Democrats have a wokeness problem

[Tom 2959]

Donde esta lael bibliotecx?

[David Dennison 18660]

The default in textbooks has been to feminine pronouns for at least 20 years now.

[washparkhorn 9935]

22 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

he/him/his

Indefinite Pronouns for the win:

One should always think of others before one thinks of oneself.

 

[Judge Roybeanbag 11810]

13 hours ago, achooloco said:

As a Latino, it’s offensive. It’s akin to to hearing Ellis & Salazar. Real austinites know what I mean 

Ellis & Suhlayzar. Automotive paint and body retail shop.  Ugh fuck that jingle.  

[ChiTownDoc 21102]

21 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

Indefinite Pronouns for the win:

One should always think of others before one thinks of oneself.

 

 

[Satchel 6908]

14 hours ago, lmao said:

Don't know who this is, but their entire feed is dedicated to culture war issues and clapbacks. With so many serious problems in this country why must we burn so many calories on superficial social media spats & political gossip? The overton window is so far to the right in this country we have Bill Maher trying to say Nafta, welfare reform, the 94' crime bill, Bush bankruptcy law, and bank deregulation is the center. Like wtf.

Carvelle even managed to work up outrage over the term “communities of color” during his rant on wokeness.

[washparkhorn 9935]

38 minutes ago, Satchel said:

Carvelle even managed to work up outrage over the term “communities of color” during his rant on wokeness.

 

[Dnaguy 11777]

If it ain't woke, don't fix it?

[MaybeACoordinator 8349]

5 hours ago, lmao said:

He was popular when he wrote What's The Matter with Kansas (basicslly pointing out how Pubs got poor ppl to vote against their own self-interests) but then he wrote Listen, Liberal which pointed out how the Dems went from representing unions & workers to the creative & upper middle class. He's literally just writing about objective reality. Nafta, the crime bill, welfare reform, bank deregulation, etc., were not 'centrist policies', they were a Republican's wet dream & they signed it into law.

The People, No (Since his first book, the titles have been weak) is his effort to show how the true elites have taken the term "populism" from what it was originally intended to be -- the "people" vs the banks and big money -- into nothing more than another word for racism and bigotry in politics. 

 

1 hour ago, Satchel said:

Carvelle even managed to work up outrage over the term “communities of color” during his rant on wokeness.

His point is, you rarely hear people in the hood or the barrio say "I live in a community of color." Or even people who live in a Black or Mexican-American neighborhood. 

[Deej 76568]

20 minutes ago, MaybeACoordinator said:

The People, No (Since his first book, the titles have been weak) is his effort to show how the true elites have taken the term "populism" from what it was originally intended to be -- the "people" vs the banks and big money -- into nothing more than another word for racism and bigotry in politics. 

 

His point is, you rarely hear people in the hood or the barrio say "I live in a community of color." Or even people who live in a Black or Mexican-American neighborhood. 

It's like people don't want to be labeled. 

[tantric superman 4667]

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PutX

[Pancho 44487]

16 hours ago, achooloco said:

As a Latino, it’s offensive. 

If true, I'd like to know why.  Not because I want to argue it but rather my qualitative brain is just genuinely curious. 

 

[We’reTexas 1469]

21 hours ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

A guy I work with said he went to a gun range in Cambodia where they would let you shoot a water buffalo with an RPG.

Confirmed. The budget option is to shoot a chicken with an AK-47. 

Edited May 2, 2021 by We’reTexas

[Longhorn_Fan68 33843]

the asshole in me thinks that's pretty awesome. the tree-hugger libruhl in me thinks that's abhorrent. it's currently a tie

[Satchel 6908]

1 hour ago, MaybeACoordinator said:

The People, No (Since his first book, the titles have been weak) is his effort to show how the true elites have taken the term "populism" from what it was originally intended to be -- the "people" vs the banks and big money -- into nothing more than another word for racism and bigotry in politics. 

 

His point is, you rarely hear people in the hood or the barrio say "I live in a community of color." Or even people who live in a Black or Mexican-American neighborhood. 

How does Carvelle think people of color who live in these communities refer to them?

[Walden Ponderer 12639]

The fundamental problem here is nobody is satisfied with just understanding what the fuck someone means when they say something. You've got to load history, politics, and personal psychology into just saying a fucking sentence.

[F250 28691]

43 minutes ago, Pancho said:

If true, I'd like to know why.  Not because I want to argue it but rather my qualitative brain is just genuinely curious. 

 

Being labeled by outsiders as something other than what one identifies as can be pretty fucking insulting. Then when it's explained as a criticism of the gender based language and machismo is used as an example of the gender bias it’s not only insulting to our language it’s insulting to our culture.

I have no issues with this discussion occurring within the community but when outside institutions jump on the wagon and pick a side it feels like we are being told what we are and how we should be by whitey.

[staboner 4959]

On 5/1/2021 at 4:47 AM, hayden_horn said:

what's bizarre is that you are reading my posts as any sort of "defense" of hitler. everything is so fucking binary for you. it's absurd.

if we had a "small dick" award on the site BT would be number one (in mm). winning pointless battles they created. in greek = malakas 

[DonkeyCigars 144]

51 minutes ago, Walden Ponderer said:

The fundamental problem here is nobody is satisfied with just understanding what the fuck someone means when they say something. You've got to load history, politics, and personal psychology into just saying a fucking sentence.

That’s the prescription to being an anti-racist, as far as I’ve read and understand.

So the argument is not being a racist (not doing what you bolded and doing only the first part or your paragraph which is unbolded) isn’t good enough; if you want to be an anti-racist you have to do the bolded.

Edited May 2, 2021 by DonkeyCigars

[Nivek 16861]

Being labeled by outsiders as something other than what one identifies as can be pretty fucking insulting. Then when it's explained as a criticism of the gender based language and machismo is used as an example of the gender bias it’s not only insulting to our language it’s insulting to our culture.
I have no issues with this discussion occurring within the community but when outside institutions jump on the wagon and pick a side it feels like we are being told what we are and how we should be by whitey.

Did you just complain about being labeled and then label others?

[Nivek 16861]

if we had a "small dick" award on the site BT would be number one (in mm). winning pointless battles they created. in greek = malakas 

Team Kassandra.

[F250 28691]

3 minutes ago, Nivek said:

Did you just complain about being labeled and then label others?

My apologies for the continued oppression of white people.

[Nivek 16861]

20 minutes ago, F250 said:

My apologies for the continued oppression of white people.

OK Latinx Jackie Chan.

[F250 28691]

11 minutes ago, Nivek said:

OK Latinx Jackie Chan.

Ok Lou Dobbs.

 

[Js1 85110]

52 minutes ago, Nivek said:

Did you just complain about being labeled and then label others?

 

47 minutes ago, F250 said:

My apologies for the continued oppression of white people.

 

23 minutes ago, Nivek said:

OK Latinx Jackie Chan.

 

11 minutes ago, F250 said:

Ok Lou Dobbs.

 

[HenryJames 65890]

Still not as bad as Stalin or Mao, imo.

[bad_teammate 13132]

Hitler apologetics not going away.

[Nivek 16861]

[ChiTownDoc 21102]

54 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

Still not as bad as Stalin or Mao, imo.

Trump sees his getting pee'd on during sex and raises him by being incestuous with his daughter.  Game Set Match.  He Him His. 

[formermav43 4599]

8 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Trump sees his getting pee'd on during sex and raises him by being incestuous with his daughter.  Game Set Match.  He Him His. 

All I see here is yet another defense of Hitler.

[F250 28691]

30 minutes ago, Nivek said:

In all seriousness. You are a white supremacist but you just don't say the quiet part out loud.

 

 

[DonkeyCigars 144]

26 minutes ago, F250 said:

In all seriousness. You are a white supremacist but you just don't say the quiet part out loud.

 

 

He absolutely is.

[Willfully Horn 7916]

3 hours ago, Nivek said:

Team Kassandra.

 

[Biff Tannen 45499]

8 hours ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

Ellis & Suhlayzar. Automotive paint and body retail shop.  Ugh fuck that jingle.  

It’s in my head for the rest of the night now. Thanks assholes. 

[MaybeACoordinator 8349]

5 hours ago, Satchel said:

How does Carvelle think people of color who live in these communities refer to them?

"home"

[MaybeACoordinator 8349]

Just now, MaybeACoordinator said:

"home"

But seriously, it's the specific phrase "community of color" that annoys him. Not "black neighborhood" or "Mexican" or "mixed" or whatever: first, the word "community" and then the phrase "of color." Nobody says that in real life.

[Satchel 6908]

Just now, MaybeACoordinator said:

"home"

Well, I refer to my “home” as a community of color. I hope that’s not too woke for James.

[HenryJames 65890]

What color?

[Walden Ponderer 12639]

12 hours ago, DonkeyCigars said:

That’s the prescription to being an anti-racist, as far as I’ve read and understand.

So the argument is not being a racist (not doing what you bolded and doing only the first part or your paragraph which is unbolded) isn’t good enough; if you want to be an anti-racist you have to do the bolded.

I'd assign a little more subtlety to my blunt assessment:  I don't care if someone wants to use different pronouns, or drop the gendered modifiers on romance language words; they just need to not insist others do the same. Language has meaning precisely and only because we agree on the meaning of a given utterance; it is perfectly possible to be offensive or the converse using any combination of words, depending on a) the meaning you are intending to purvey, and b) one's preknowledge of the likelihood of being understood.

Speaking to a gender studies major about a term paper? "Latinx" makes perfect sense. Speaking to a shop clerk at your local convenience store? It just sounds dumb. The same is true for the words being replaced, too. Say them in one context, and anyone who accuses you of insensitivity is just being a prick. Say them in another context, then they have a point.

We all are capable of context like that -- if someone wants to be a racist asshole who hides behind "polite" language, the tools have always been there. Changing the vocabulary won't change that.

[Nivek 16861]

9 hours ago, F250 said:

In all seriousness. You are a white supremacist but you just don't say the quiet part out loud.

 

 

 I can be whatever fantasy you have, but you have to pay me first.  You are used to that.

[Asithappens 974]

13 hours ago, Satchel said:

How does Carvelle think people of color who live in these communities refer to them?

Neighborhoods. 

And he's not wrong.

[bad_teammate 13132]

10 hours ago, formermav43 said:

All I see here is yet another defense of Hitler.

Phone came unplugged while I was sleeping. The thing's almost dead.

checked everywhere for Hitler but only saw a few clues

I know it was him, though

[burntorangebongos 10681]

59 minutes ago, Nivek said:

 I can be whatever fantasy you have, but you have to pay me first.  You are used to that.

game, set, match, Whitey!

[WBT 20422]

12 hours ago, HenryJames said:

Still not as bad as Stalin or Mao, imo.

A doc claims?  This kind of claim is much more convincing when placed in a dossier.  The french lends a certain kind of gravitas.

Edited May 3, 2021 by WBT

[WBT 20422]

16 hours ago, MaybeACoordinator said:

The People, No (Since his first book, the titles have been weak) is his effort to show how the true elites have taken the term "populism" from what it was originally intended to be -- the "people" vs the banks and big money -- into nothing more than another word for racism and bigotry in politics. 

 

His point is, you rarely hear people in the hood or the barrio say "I live in a community of color." Or even people who live in a Black or Mexican-American neighborhood. 

What community?  There's a community?  All these years I'm living in a community; I had no idea. 

[Pancho 44487]

14 hours ago, F250 said:

Being labeled by outsiders as something other than what one identifies as can be pretty fucking insulting. Then when it's explained as a criticism of the gender based language and machismo is used as an example of the gender bias it’s not only insulting to our language it’s insulting to our culture.

I have no issues with this discussion occurring within the community but when outside institutions jump on the wagon and pick a side it feels like we are being told what we are and how we should be by whitey.

I guess I don't understand the outsiders part since Latinx was invented by a Latino.

[F250 28691]

33 minutes ago, Pancho said:

I guess I don't understand the outsiders part since Latinx was invented by a Latino.

See the last part about the institutions outside of the community running with the term when it hasn't been accepted by the actual community.

Do you appreciate Fox News citing Tim Scott and Candace Owens as means of declaring racism doesn't exist in America? No because a small subset of black Republicans doesn't represent that sentiment for the entire community. Yet a media institution runs with it.

 

[F250 28691]

2 hours ago, Nivek said:

 I can be whatever fantasy you have, but you have to pay me first.  You are used to that.

Racists don't like being called racists.

 

[Walden Ponderer 12639]

12 minutes ago, F250 said:

Racists don't like being called racists.

 

This is true. Typically, they will insinuate that calling someone a racist is a worse offense than actually being a racist. I have encountered that phenomenon to some degree everywhere I've ever been, but it is especially pronounced in College Station, Texas, for some reason.

[F250 28691]

2 minutes ago, Walden Ponderer said:

This is true. Typically, they will insinuate that calling someone a racist is a worse offense than actually being a racist. I have encountered that phenomenon to some degree everywhere I've ever been, but it is especially pronounced in College Station, Texas, for some reason.

I've actually experienced a lot of racism in Austin. As a Mexican whitey I've been a fly on the wall with white people my entire life. I am very familiar with the people that look around before making the racist joke. Often I've seen it done with the person not realizing a Mexican was sitting in front of them. When confronted they don't appreciate it. "I thought you were white, I voted for Obama, I'm a Democrat, etc.."

It's not blatant racism but it's racism nonetheless. A good example of this would be all of the Alamo Bowl threads. There are a shit ton of jokes about Mexican families in the cheap seats in just about every fucking Alamo Bowl thread. I've heard the same shit in Austin a million times. Often it will be justified as a joke about San Antonio when in reality it's a joke about Hispanic culture.

Nivek's snide remark about "I'm being repressed" is just more of the same shit. It's an attempt to belittle a legitimate complaint from minorities. I'm sure he justifies it with "But I voted for Biden."