Jake Ehlinger found dead near campus

[ultimaton 2966]

5 hours ago, Bobby Layne said:

(sarcasm alert) yeah sure. Like the kids always carry AIDS and other STD test kits when they go to a party/orgy. Discerning drug users will be sure not to put “dirty drugs” in their bodies. Test strips. Very sensible. But drug use isn’t sensible. It’s about changing how you feel …right now! Immediate gratification is the disease of America.  

You're wrong. The consensus is that access to FTS will save lives. San Fransisco ran a pilot program on this a few years ago through their needle exchange apparatus and it determined that a high number of users *did* test their drugs before use and modified their behavior accordingly when fentanyl was found to be present. Other programs in North Carolina and Rhode Island have produced similar results. Harm reductions strategies are shown to work.

If UT provided FTS to students, maybe Jake -- or any of the kids and young adults talked about in this thread -- doesn't bother and he still takes that bad xanax and dies. But the numbers indicate there's a likelihood he does take the time to test it and maybe he's still with us today. But either way, at least he would've had a chance. 

Edited October 23, 2021 by ultimaton

[Bobby Layne 266]

3 hours ago, ultimaton said:

You're wrong. The consensus is that access to FTS will save lives. San Fransisco ran a pilot program on this a few years ago through their needle exchange apparatus and it determined that a high number of users *did* test their drugs before use and modified their behavior accordingly when fentanyl was found to be present. Other programs in North Carolina and Rhode Island have produced similar results. Harm reductions strategies are shown to work.

If UT provided FTS to students, maybe Jake -- or any of the kids and young adults talked about in this thread -- doesn't bother and he still takes that bad xanax and dies. But the numbers indicate there's a likelihood he does take the time to test it and maybe he's still with us today. But either way, at least he would've had a chance. 

I believe sir, you are in error. San Francisco is not a laboratory of success in the drug field. Needle exchanges have been touted by politicians in Vancouver, Seattle and Portland. Drug overdoses still kill regularly. It’s simple, but difficult. Stop the suppliers, treat the addicts, incarcerate the incorrigibles (i. e. dealers). Triangle defense. All three, not one or two. Education is necessary, but YouTube et al is poisonous. This shit (addiction) kills more of our people than all our military losses. Ever. Do the math. Lives worth fighting for. Go Horns. 

[BurntOrange&White 39486]

20 hours ago, 927 E. 41st said:

Yes, cleanliness is only second to safety with those assholes.

I hope there is a special level of hell waiting for the folks that put these "murder pills" out on the street.

My guy, narcotics creation and “murder pills” are fairly low on the list of why the deserve a level of hell. They do far worse than this to women and children. 

[Hermanator 6916]

This is terrible news. I'm glad I never liked the feeling of any prescription drugs and only used them when absolutely necessary. Hopefully a bigger percentage of people will wise up to taking substances over time. The opiate epidemic shows you have to be careful even when it comes from your licensed doctor or pharmacist. 

On another note I believe this revelation means that Wanker Bob guy was right - if I remember i think people got pissed when he mentioned overdose. That was a hilarious part of this thread I need to go back and find it. 

[South Austin 52037]

8 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

On another note I believe this revelation means that Wanker Bob guy was right - if I remember i think people got pissed when he mentioned overdose. That was a hilarious part of this thread I need to go back and find it. 

None of us questioned whether the overdose story was accurate. We just didn’t want it spilled all over a message board when it wasn’t confirmed and his family had just learned of his death. So that wasn’t a hilarious part of this thread. And Wanker Bob is a first rate fuckstick.

[David Dennison 18603]

On 10/22/2021 at 6:11 PM, slorch said:

It tends to be highly regulated.  Unless someone slips me a roofie or whatever,  the user knows what they are getting. That was the context of the comment.  Go to a party and drink the punch, you’re rolling the dice, for sure.  Not a lot if folks are dying from contaminated Keystone. 

But a lot of people are dying from the effects of alcohol.

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

But a lot of people are dying from the effects of alcohol.

That wasn’t the point of my post, and you know it. within the context of this thread, it would be like buying a Sixer of Miller light, and people passing out blacked out drunk and dying from it.
If you want to start a thread on alcohol abuse knock your self out.

Edited October 24, 2021 by slorch

[JohnnyRage 1617]

13 hours ago, Bobby Layne said:

I believe sir, you are in error. San Francisco is not a laboratory of success in the drug field. Needle exchanges have been touted by politicians in Vancouver, Seattle and Portland. Drug overdoses still kill regularly. It’s simple, but difficult. Stop the suppliers, treat the addicts, incarcerate the incorrigibles (i. e. dealers). Triangle defense. All three, not one or two. Education is necessary, but YouTube et al is poisonous. This shit (addiction) kills more of our people than all our military losses. Ever. Do the math. Lives worth fighting for. Go Horns. 

Oh, you mean the War On Drugs. Got it.

[JohnnyRage 1617]

53 minutes ago, South Austin said:

None of us questioned whether the overdose story was accurate. We just didn’t want it spilled all over a message board when it wasn’t confirmed and his family had just learned of his death. So that wasn’t a hilarious part of this thread. And Wanker Bob is a first rate fuckstick.

Yeah, so I instead spread the big brother's gone/missing dad suicide rumor.

[David Dennison 18603]

35 minutes ago, slorch said:

That wasn’t the point of my post, and you know it. within the context of this thread, it would be like buying a Sixer of Miller light, and people passing out blacked out drunk and dying from it.
If you want to start a thread on alcohol abuse knock your self out.

And my point is America's alcohol problem is much bigger than society cares to admit.

[Patricio Swayze 17058]

Oh, you mean the War On Drugs. Got it.

Haha exactly.

Let’s throw another trillion dollars at the problem and keep the same failed policies, laws and viewpoints that have worked so well for 50 years. What could go wrong?

[SquishMitten 10395]

Crazy how quick the personal responsibility crowd flips that switch off when drugs from foreign places are involved.

I have no idea what you’re trying to say here.

[SquishMitten 10395]

So if Jake did not intend to ingest Fetanyl w Xanax this was a homicide by poisoning, correct? But an accidental overdose means he intended to have some Fetanyl.

I’d guess that’s just bad phrasing. Can’t imagine young folks without major addiction issues ever intend to take fentanyl.

I’m no expert on this, so I could be wrong, but wouldn’t the coroner’s report just say something like “COD was ingestion of a fatal amount of fentanyl.” It wouldn’t mention homicide or poisoning. That would come from police investigation, right? Wouldn’t be surprised if cops don’t spend much time investigating these incidents, but maybe being more high profile they did do a little more than normal?

[Nice Guy Eddie 13391]

14 hours ago, Bobby Layne said:

I believe sir, you are in error. San Francisco is not a laboratory of success in the drug field. Needle exchanges have been touted by politicians in Vancouver, Seattle and Portland. Drug overdoses still kill regularly. It’s simple, but difficult. Stop the suppliers, treat the addicts, incarcerate the incorrigibles (i. e. dealers). Triangle defense. All three, not one or two. Education is necessary, but YouTube et al is poisonous. This shit (addiction) kills more of our people than all our military losses. Ever. Do the math. Lives worth fighting for. Go Horns. 

Do you think needle exchange programs are about preventing overdoses?  Repeating the war on drugs is a waste of time. 

[SHOOTER12 8787]

On 10/22/2021 at 11:20 AM, conVINCEd said:

If you really want unlaced Xanax, can you not just go to your doctor and tell them you are having anxiety issues?  Probably cheaper that way as well.  I have no idea what it is selling for on the street, but a month supply was something like $5 five years ago.  With a $40 copay for the office visit, you’re set for 6 months for $70.

I have had anxiety is issues for years now and about 5 years ago decided not to go through the hassle of getting Xanax. Once you go through the process, you are more or less considered a "mental" patient and all that that implies.  You're looked at differently by health care professionals and referred to a psychiatrist for evaluation.  

"Do you own firearms" etc.  Have you ever wanted to harm yourself or others.  To hell with that, I'll just have 2 or 3 drinks at night to sleep 💤.

[SquishMitten 10395]

Once you go through the process, you are more or less considered a "mental" patient and all that that implies.  You're looked at differently by health care professionals and referred to a psychiatrist for evaluation.  

This is bad advice and not true. At least not as a universal rule. If you just have generalized anxiety, you are not going to be referred to a psychiatrist or treated as a mental patient. If you’re dealing with severe depression, that’s another thing, and being referred to a psychiatrist is probably in your best interest.

[SilasCoade 2620]

24 minutes ago, SHOOTER12 said:

I have had anxiety is issues for years now and about 5 years ago decided not to go through the hassle of getting Xanax. Once you go through the process, you are more or less considered a "mental" patient and all that that implies.  You're looked at differently by health care professionals and referred to a psychiatrist for evaluation.  

"Do you own firearms" etc.  Have you ever wanted to harm yourself or others.  To hell with that, I'll just have 2 or 3 drinks at night to sleep 💤.

1. That's patently false @shooter12. Source: am doctor

2. The notion that anybody complaining of anxiety will get referred to psych is absurd. The ratio of people who actually need a psychiatrist to the people with access to one is vanishingly small.

3. Why do those questions bother you? If they don't apply, great. If they do, they might save your life. Your entire post is a reflection of society's false belief that mental health is somehow other or less deserving than health in general. It's bullshit and it's damaging.

4. Drinking alcohol before bed causes poor quality sleep. You should not need anything to fall asleep at night. If you do, Xanax is probably not much better than the alcohol. If you're worried about seeing a doctor for anxiety, try seeing one for sleep. Sleep specialists are great at this sort of thing.

[SHOOTER12 8787]

On 10/22/2021 at 6:38 PM, Sawbonz said:

Show me a doc that will write you a 6 month script for a benzo and I’ll show you a doc who won’t be writing any scripts 6 months later.

Yeppers

[bullet 1596]

On 10/22/2021 at 12:54 PM, closetohumping said:

For sure.  That never worked.

There's Uber now.  That's what you have to educate them on.

[bullet 1596]

On 10/22/2021 at 1:15 PM, 927 E. 41st said:

Well, then we are largely in agreement. Taking street drugs is playing Russian roulette, especially now.

 

Even street pot can be dangerous now.

[mchookem 16094]

1 hour ago, SHOOTER12 said:

I have had anxiety is issues for years now and about 5 years ago decided not to go through the hassle of getting Xanax. Once you go through the process, you are more or less considered a "mental" patient and all that that implies.  You're looked at differently by health care professionals and referred to a psychiatrist for evaluation.  

"Do you own firearms" etc.  Have you ever wanted to harm yourself or others.  To hell with that, I'll just have 2 or 3 drinks at night to sleep 💤.

yeah, as others have said, that's just not true at all.

 

[hobbes2702 12771]

On 10/23/2021 at 10:59 AM, Degenerate Gardner said:

This remains some of the most pragmatic substance consumption advice you could give a kid if the goal is survival.

Things growing in the ground aren’t necessarily benign. You can get lost in the weeds here with toxic mushrooms and the many poppy products but don’t. Keep it simple, focus on reducing risk and avoid the fentanyl delivery devices.

No pills, no powders are words to live by. 

[Guest]

2 hours ago, David Dennison said:

And my point is America's alcohol problem is much bigger than society cares to admit.

It isn't rooted in purity issues or people thinking they are drinking a 5%ABV beverage and it actually being 95% ABV.

I'm not writing off your concerns with alcohol, but that is not what this discussion is about.

[MotownHorn 1724]

3 hours ago, JohnnyRage said:

Oh, you mean the War On Drugs. Got it.

How’s that been going? I haven’t kept up with it. 

[David Dennison 18603]

25 minutes ago, slorch said:

It isn't rooted in purity issues or people thinking they are drinking a 5%ABV beverage and it actually being 95% ABV.

I'm not writing off your concerns with alcohol, but that is not what this discussion is about.

That's not really up to you.

[Guest]

13 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

That's not really up to you.

the discussion in the thread?

 

LOlz  go fuck yourself.  You're just arguing to argue, motherfucker.

[David Dennison 18603]

Just now, slorch said:

the discussion in the thread?

 

LOlz  go fuck yourself.  You're just arguing to argue, motherfucker.

slorch'd.

[ousux 5586]

No pills, no powders are words to live by. 

It is, but the "if it grows in the ground it's probably ok" should come with a huge asterisk. Those pills and powders werent created by lab magic, they're derived from elements of things that originally grew from the ground. Even if not cut with a dangerous subtance, they're a dangerous substance on their own, but did start as either a plant or something created within an animals body.

[ousux 5586]

And my point is America's alcohol problem is much bigger than society cares to admit.

Very true statement, but unlike the pharmaceuticals being discussed here, certain types of alcohol in moderation have been studied and shown to actually have health benefits. In fact many of the worlds oldest living people have either a single bottle of beer, glass of wine or two fingers or less of whiskey as their daily routine up until the day their body finally gives out well over 100 years old. Oh, and only a tiny percentage take prescription or over the counter medications, and the ones that do it's usually one or two things vs the 6-8 most people over the age of 70 are taking daily.

[Sawbonz 27375]

17 hours ago, Bobby Layne said:

I believe sir, you are in error. San Francisco is not a laboratory of success in the drug field. Needle exchanges have been touted by politicians in Vancouver, Seattle and Portland. Drug overdoses still kill regularly. It’s simple, but difficult. Stop the suppliers, treat the addicts, incarcerate the incorrigibles (i. e. dealers). Triangle defense. All three, not one or two. Education is necessary, but YouTube et al is poisonous. This shit (addiction) kills more of our people than all our military losses. Ever. Do the math. Lives worth fighting for. Go Horns. 

A. Username does NOT check out

B. Needle exchange programs are to control spread of bloodbourne illness not to prevent overdose

 

[bigup2dahorns 3343]

How’s that been going? I haven’t kept up with it. 

[MotownHorn 1724]

LOL sweet! I’m sure no one will use drugs any more after this arrest! Just like after that Escobar arrest! Whew thank goodness we finally won the war on drugs! 

[Hermanator 6916]

1 hour ago, Sawbonz said:

A. Username does NOT check out

B. Needle exchange programs are to control spread of bloodbourne illness not to prevent overdose

 

It helps prevent spread of illness by encouraging overdose. Can't share needles if you're dead. Very sly

[SHOOTER12 8787]

5 hours ago, mchookem said:

yeah, as others have said, that's just not true at all.

 

All I can say is that is what I was told at UTHSCT.

[JohnnyRage 1617]

4 hours ago, slorch said:

It isn't rooted in purity issues or people thinking they are drinking a 5%ABV beverage and it actually being 95% ABV.

I'm not writing off your concerns with alcohol, but that is not what this discussion is about.

But it very much was when alcohol was illegal and being made in bathtubs.

[SHOOTER12 8787]

6 hours ago, Llogg said:

1. That's patently false @shooter12. Source: am doctor

2. The notion that anybody complaining of anxiety will get referred to psych is absurd. The ratio of people who actually need a psychiatrist to the people with access to one is vanishingly small.

3. Why do those questions bother you? If they don't apply, great. If they do, they might save your life. Your entire post is a reflection of society's false belief that mental health is somehow other or less deserving than health in general. It's bullshit and it's damaging.

4. Drinking alcohol before bed causes poor quality sleep. You should not need anything to fall asleep at night. If you do, Xanax is probably not much better than the alcohol. If you're worried about seeing a doctor for anxiety, try seeing one for sleep. Sleep specialists are great at this sort of thing.

Thanks Llogg, I might pursue it again if the stress and anxiety go through the roof again.  I was told that by a nurse or caregiver of some type at UTHSCT.  Had no idea if was bs or not.  The questions don't bother, nor do my answers, I was just offended by them. I've never been in any kind of trouble and felt that line of questioning was invasive and unwarranted.

Thanks again for your input.

[Bobby Layne 266]

14 hours ago, SHOOTER12 said:

Thanks Llogg, I might pursue it again if the stress and anxiety go through the roof again.  I was told that by a nurse or caregiver of some type at UTHSCT.  Had no idea if was bs or not.  The questions don't bother, nor do my answers, I was just offended by them. I've never been in any kind of trouble and felt that line of questioning was invasive and unwarranted.

Thanks again for your input.

Peace to you shooter. Don’t give up. Some things take multiple tries at finding solutions. 

[Bobby Layne 266]

22 hours ago, JohnnyRage said:

Oh, you mean the War On Drugs. Got it.

I guess you missed the part about treatment! It’s a Football board so let’s use this analogy. Three phases of the game. Offense, defense and special teams. You’re simplified and archaic interpretation is simple and wrong. War on Drugs as become a catchphrase joke. However, I DO believe in a War on Addiction. Much like turning around a decade of slide in the Longhorn football program, it will take talent, willpower and positive intentionality. And then it still has to be repeated after year. Rust never sleeps. Neither does addiction. Treatment with compassion is of paramount importance. Corruption has ruined incarceration and enforcement phases. As it does most government programs. War on Drugs will never be effective. People are the problem and people are the solution. 

[4th&Five 41457]

[JohnnyRage 1617]

1 hour ago, Bobby Layne said:

I guess you missed the part about treatment! It’s a Football board so let’s use this analogy. Three phases of the game. Offense, defense and special teams. You’re simplified and archaic interpretation is simple and wrong. War on Drugs as become a catchphrase joke. However, I DO believe in a War on Addiction. Much like turning around a decade of slide in the Longhorn football program, it will take talent, willpower and positive intentionality. And then it still has to be repeated after year. Rust never sleeps. Neither does addiction. Treatment with compassion is of paramount importance. Corruption has ruined incarceration and enforcement phases. As it does most government programs. War on Drugs will never be effective. People are the problem and people are the solution. 

Treatment and rehabilitation has always been a promised fork in the trident of The War On Drugs.

There is only one solution - Legalization, Regulation, Harm Reduction, Treatment, and hopefully a better society.

[Eugene11 375]

49 minutes ago, JohnnyRage said:

Treatment and rehabilitation has always been a promised fork in the trident of The War On Drugs.

There is only one solution - Legalization, Regulation, Harm Reduction, Treatment, and hopefully a better society.

And education.  
but good ol red merica thinks money is better spent on walls and guns then teachers and books. 
 

to far? 🙈 I’ll see my way out. No cr 

[tbone_ 14020]

Treatment and rehabilitation has always been a promised fork in the trident of The War On Drugs.
There is only one solution - Legalization, Regulation, Harm Reduction, Treatment, and hopefully a better society.

Honest question - how are we going to regulate fake Mexican oxy made with fake Chinese fentanyl that you can buy at a party for $10?

[JohnnyRage 1617]

Why would you buy Mexican Chinese OXY when you can just go to the store or safe use site and buy government grade OxyContin? That makes no sense.

Edited October 25, 2021 by JohnnyRage

[Patricio Swayze 17058]

Why would you buy Mexican Chinese OXY when you can just go to the store or safe use site and buy government grade OxyContin? That makes no sense.

The same people who buy black market Mexican cigarettes and Mexican bath tub moonshine.

[tbone_ 14020]

Because it’s 10% of the cost from your bro at a party.

And the gubmint ain’t gonna sell recreational oxy.

[Patricio Swayze 17058]

Because it’s 10% of the cost from your bro at a party.

And the gubmint ain’t gonna sell recreational oxy.

In all seriousness, no, they won’t. But it needs to be decriminalized. I mean the possession and use.

[JohnnyRage 1617]

As long as you don’t over tax it, there is no way in hell that if you manufacture it in China, ship it to South America, smuggle it up through Mexico, compound it at a Cartel safe house, smuggle it across the US border, occasionally eat the cost of seized shipments, and then distribute it to local dealers - that it would be available at a lower cost than if it were legal.

Edited October 25, 2021 by JohnnyRage

[tbone_ 14020]

As long as you don’t over tax it, there is no way in hell that if you manufacture it in China, ship it to South America, smuggle it up through Mexico, compound it at a Cartel safe house, smuggle it across the US border, occasionally eat the cost of seized shipments, and then distribute it to local dealers - that it would be available at a lower cost than if it were legal.

I could see where lack of quality control in Mexican and Chinese factories, I mean back yard sheds, could contribute to a multiple orders of magnitude lower cost structure than legit FDA approved US production process. But maybe that’s just me.

[Chopper 17126]

In certain parts of the country there's been a major clampdown to discourage docs from prescribing drugs such as xanax or valium. Those drugs are extremely safe when used short-term and monitored by a responsible physician. However too often patients were/are mixing them with oxy obtained elsewhere (legally manufactured oxy), or even illegal drugs like meth, and dying from cardiac arrest as a result.

[bullet 1596]

48 minutes ago, tbone_ said:

I could see where lack of quality control in Mexican and Chinese factories, I mean back yard sheds, could contribute to a multiple orders of magnitude lower cost structure than legit FDA approved US production process. But maybe that’s just me.

China has cheap and sometimes slave labor.  They have no environmental standards so you have no idea what contaminates it.