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They're damn good at space. They've built their own "ISS" in a very short number of years. The problem is they dgaf about following international convention (in many/all areas, not only regarding orbital safety.)

If it wasn't for Musk going off on his own with SpaceX, they'd be dominating the world in upmass right now.

 

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1 minute ago, Nivek said:

Actually if it wasn’t for space x , NASA would be doing that job.

With the the corpse of SLS that's been cobbled into Artemis? And is years behind schedule? I very much doubt it. But it's also been their strategy to focus more on spacecraft and science than launch vehicles, which are objectively becoming pretty fungible and diverse. It's a good move for specialization, but goddamn has NASA lost their ability to build a launch vehicle

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48 minutes ago, Nivek said:

Actually if it wasn’t for space x , NASA would be doing that job.

HAHAHAHAHAHA no. As Captainant mentioned, NASA would be burning even more money while achieving results in roughly 5x the time that China takes. There is zero chance that the US would be leading upmass if it was only NASA payloads.

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1 hour ago, Nivek said:

Actually if it wasn’t for space x , NASA would be doing that job.

NASA doesn't have any orbital rockets of their own, they would have to contract it out.  Below is the list of US-based active orbital rockets.  Other than SpaceX, there are only 3 other big boys, and 2 are scheduled to be retired and the 3rd uses Russian engines.  None of those 3 could build more rockets fast enough.  If NASA was going to do the job of SpaceX, they would have to buy every possible launch from everyone in the EU, China, Russia, and India, and they probably still wouldn't be enough.

 

Family Manufac. Payload (kg) LEO  Payload GTO (kg) Launches reaching Target orbit First Flight Notes
             
Antares Orbital ATK 8000 -- 15 2013 Russian Engines
Astra Rocket Astra 50-150 — 2 2020  
Atlas V ULA 18850 8900 96 2002 Russian Engines, 20 Flights left
Delta IV ULA 23040 13130 42 2002 2 flights left
Falcon 9 SpaceX 22800 8300 181 2010  
Falcon Heavy SpaceX 63800 26700 4 2018  
LauncherOne Virgin Orbit 300 -- 4 2020  
Minotaur I Orbital ATK 580 -- 12 2000  
Minotaur IV & V Orbital ATK 1735 640 8 2010  
Pegasus Orbital ATK 450 -- 40 1990  
Taurus / Minotaur-C Orbital Sciences 1450 -- 6 1989  
Alpha Firefly Aerospace 1000 — 0 2021  

 

 

 

 

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10 hours ago, Captainant said:

With the the corpse of SLS that's been cobbled into Artemis? And is years behind schedule? I very much doubt it. But it's also been their strategy to focus more on spacecraft and science than launch vehicles, which are objectively becoming pretty fungible and diverse. It's a good move for specialization, but goddamn has NASA lost their ability to build a launch vehicle

The need for NASA to develop a modern rocket isn't there if SpaceX, is doing it.   What NASA lost was its budget which went from a peak of >4% to under 0.5% of our annual spending and the dwindling interest by the public as we shifted away from investing in the future and moved towards watching people starve in the woods on our TVs.   Almost $3 billion went from NASA to SpaceX (Amazon/Virgin were also in the running) + another 0.7 billion from the military, plus there was a $15 million subsidy by Texas to get them to relocate.  

SpaceX built its Falcon series rockets for about $390 million which is great.  It is about 1/4 the price that NASA used to build the Apollo rockets, however, NASA was the pioneer in this field and had little material to reference whereas SpaceX had NASA's work to reference.    

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11 hours ago, Sam Lin said:

HAHAHAHAHAHA no. As Captainant mentioned, NASA would be burning even more money while achieving results in roughly 5x the time that China takes. There is zero chance that the US would be leading upmass if it was only NASA payloads.

Yawn.  Call me when China puts a person on the Moon or Mars.   You know that thing NASA did >50 years ago.   

I can design a truck cheaper than Ford... It might not take you to work or carry shit, but it will definitely roll out of your driveway.  Care to buy it? 

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51 minutes ago, High Plains Drifter said:

 

Eventually one of these things is going to hit a population center. What happens then?

 

 

The odds are very low, but if it does (and it isn't a Chinese city which would be major DOH) then there will be much consternation and saber rattling. Possibly even stern glances into a television camera and tough words. 

On 11/2/2022 at 10:00 PM, Sam Lin said:

HAHAHAHAHAHA no. As Captainant mentioned, NASA would be burning even more money while achieving results in roughly 5x the time that China takes. There is zero chance that the US would be leading upmass if it was only NASA payloads.

Yeah wtf is NASA even doing?

Oh yeah, only less than a year ago perfectly executed the launch of the most sophisticated, by several magnitudes, space exploration device mankind has ever known. A device that is regularly returning new data we couldn't dream of getting less than 20 years ago. 

Fucking lazy bastards. 

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