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China was preparing for a 3rd World War with bio weapons - including coronavirus - 6 years ago, according to a People's Liberation Army dossier in 2015 and uncovered by the US State Dept

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41 minutes ago, Trey3216 said:

The Great Reap Forward 

Lulz.  One of the drone projects I’m working on is REAP.  As in, you reap what you sow.

https://www.defenseworld.net/news/27966/Initial_Operational_Assessment_of_REAP_Pod_on_MQ_9_Complete#.YJnoOhBOmhA

https://www.ultra.group/gb/media-centre/news/ultra-s-rosetta-echo-advanced-payloads-reap-pod-successfully-completes-initial-operational-assessment-exceeding-air-national-guard-expectations/

Another edit, we originally designed this to help bridge the air national guard radio and video communications with firefighters in California, not to kill people.  

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30 minutes ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

esigned this to help bridge the air national guard radio and video communications with firefighters in California, not to kill people.  

Lol...that's what they told you the purpose was.

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Lol...that's what they told you the purpose was.

Well it made sense at the time.  The fire department, sheriffs department, national fire service and and the military all use different radios, and half the time they can’t connect or talk quickly.  What better way to solve that than a flying communications node that translates everything and spits it back out in language everyone understands?  

The concept actually came from Afghanistan, where mountains were fucking up line of sight radio comms, so we designed a pod that flew on a drone to relay over the terrain.  Rather than paying Northrop a few million a day to fly a 737.  

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20 minutes ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

Well it made sense at the time.  The fire department, sheriffs department, national fire service and and the military all use different radios, and half the time they can’t connect or talk quickly.  What better way to solve that than a flying communications node that translates everything and spits it back out in language everyone understands?  

The concept actually came from Afghanistan, where mountains were fucking up line of sight radio comms, so we designed a pod that flew on a drone to relay over the terrain.  Rather than paying Northrop a few million a day to fly a 737.  

That's some pretty cool work.  I love that kind of technology.  I've always found it so strange that the different first responders all had different communication methods/channels, but I guess in some ways it makes sense until they all have to be coordinated together. 

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lol David Baltimore. man thats a good porno handle

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“Remember a few years ago when we were at a saloon in Denver? We got to talking to some gambler that night, and he told us about an Indian. A full-blooded Indian, except he called himself by an English name. Sir... somebody.”

“Lord Baltimore?”
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“Remember a few years ago when we were at a saloon in Denver? We got to talking to some gambler that night, and he told us about an Indian. A full-blooded Indian, except he called himself by an English name. Sir... somebody.”

“Lord Baltimore?”

I’m watching The Sting right now, so this almost hits close to home 

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28 minutes ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

The concept actually came from Afghanistan, where mountains were fucking up line of sight radio comms, so we designed a pod that flew on a drone to relay over the terrain.  Rather than paying Northrop a few million a day to fly a 737.  

 

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19 hours ago, Anastasis said:

Immunologist and virologists still going hard to the paint wrt plausibility of natural origins.  I lean towards a natural origin, collected and consolidated library of CoV's in Wuhan lab, lax lab procedures result in release of virus.  All the data points fit. 

A recent thread on the subject...

Isn't that basically what the lab leak hypothesis is?

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Isn't that basically what the lab leak hypothesis is?

I think that there are a few different iterations of the lab origin hypothesis.

1. The virus was created in the lab via genetic manipulation or other techniques (e.g., addition of the furin cleavage site), and leaked from lab via infection of lab personnel or some other mechanism.

2. The virus originated in nature, was collected and taken to Wuhan, and leaked from the lab via infection of lab personnel or some other mechanism. 

3. Something closer to 2 than 1, but involves lab handling and testing techniques such as serial passage that made the virus more suitable for human infection.

 

I think 2 is most likely scenario, but 3 seems possible as well.  #1 is what people who seem to know a shit load more about this than me are pushing back on pretty hard.  

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https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Weaponized-How-rumors-about-COVID-19s-origins-led-to-a-narrative-arms-race.pdf

The multiple early narratives of who created the virus and for what purpose:

  • Two prominent narratives emerged.
    • The first was the virus was created by the United States to weaken its adversaries and destroy China’s economy, in the context of the commercial war between both countries.
    • The second was that COVID-19 was a bioweapon genetically modified to target and eradicate specific ethnic groups.
      • Some of those who subscribed to the latter theory claimed that the bioweapon had been created in a US-funded biolab in the country of Georgia, in the Caucasus, or in North Carolina, in the United States.
  • The target also differed: while some believe the target would be ethnic Chinese people, others claimed it was going to be used against people of Iranian origin.
    • The majority of the entries in the dataset fell into four clusters.
      • Cluster 1 represents narratives suggesting the US Army brought the virus from Ft. Detrick, Maryland to the 2019 Military World Games competition in Wuhan. 
      • Cluster 2 represents narratives positing a leak from a biolab in Wuhan.
      • Cluster 3 represents narratives claiming the US released COVID-19 in China to weaken their economy.
      • Cluster 4 represents narratives claiming the US genetically modified the virus to target specific ethnic groups. 
  • The analysis revealed that for content originating in the United States, terms such as “leak,” “lab,” and “Wuhan” were prominent, demonstrating the popularity of the narrative that the virus leaked – accidentally or not – from the Wuhan lab.
    • Another important trend layered on top of those engaging on this narrative in the United States was the use of the word “deep” in reference to the supposed existence of a “deep state,” the prevalence of which demonstrates the strength of conspiracy theories that use the term along side the bioweapon narrative in the country.
  • In China, the conversation revolved around the 2019 Military World Games and Fort Detrick, the basis for the argument that the virus did not originate in China.
  • In Russia, the Russian words for “Ukraine” and “Georgia” were among the most used words, indicating the regional focus that dominated the discussion in the country after the first reports blaming the United States for the virus.
  • Finally, words like “ruin,” “weaken,” and“ adversary” appeared prominently in Iran in both Farsi and English, illustrating the trend in the country of treating COVID-19 as a security threat, rather than a public health crisis.
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1 hour ago, Anastasis said:

I think that there are a few different iterations of the lab origin hypothesis.

1. The virus was created in the lab via genetic manipulation or other techniques (e.g., addition of the furin cleavage site), and leaked from lab via infection of lab personnel or some other mechanism.

2. The virus originated in nature, was collected and taken to Wuhan, and leaked from the lab via infection of lab personnel or some other mechanism. 

3. Something closer to 2 than 1, but involves lab handling and testing techniques such as serial passage that made the virus more suitable for human infection.

 

I think 2 is most likely scenario, but 3 seems possible as well.  #1 is what people who seem to know a shit load more about this than me are pushing back on pretty hard.  

Throw me in group #3 if I understand that correctly.  If it were #2, I feel like we'd have a more solid natural ancestry story by now.

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As a scientist, I guessed it was more incompetence of lab personnel than an intentional release (although testing the splicing of different viruses for “legitimate vaccine purposes wink wink” also possible with either scenario), but 99% sure it came out of that building in Wuhan. I was more bothered by China’s complete and immediate denial of it all and how quickly national media and some politicians were to absolve China. If a super bubonic plague got kicked off across the street from the CDC in Atlanta, you know there’d be questions and hell to pay. 

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As a scientist, I guessed it was more incompetence of lab personnel than an intentional release (although testing the splicing of different viruses for “legitimate vaccine purposes wink wink” also possible with either scenario), but 99% sure it came out of that building in Wuhan. I was more bothered by China’s complete and immediate denial of it all and how quickly national media and some politicians were to absolve China. If a super bubonic plague got kicked off across the street from the CDC in Atlanta, you know there’d be questions and hell to pay. 

This is where I'm at. Accident and a cover up.

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I think based on all the different sources that have covered this issue, the accidental leak from a poorly protocoled lab is among the best, and most realistic scenarios. The back issue is, was the coronavirus being studied for purely scientific reasons or for military applications ?

The wet markets are an abomination to humanity, but that theory just doesn't have all the evidence  the Wuhan lab theory appears to.

The WHO is a whore, that took the length, and width of the Chinese story with willful glee.  60 Minutes covered that story pretty well.

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19 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

The WHO is a whore, that took the length, and width of the Chinese story with willful glee.

The world needs whores. I feel like if there were more whores, there would be less fighting and more sleeping.

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18 hours ago, Anastasis said:

I think that there are a few different iterations of the lab origin hypothesis.

1. The virus was created in the lab via genetic manipulation or other techniques (e.g., addition of the furin cleavage site), and leaked from lab via infection of lab personnel or some other mechanism.

2. The virus originated in nature, was collected and taken to Wuhan, and leaked from the lab via infection of lab personnel or some other mechanism. 

3. Something closer to 2 than 1, but involves lab handling and testing techniques such as serial passage that made the virus more suitable for human infection.

 

I think 2 is most likely scenario, but 3 seems possible as well.  #1 is what people who seem to know a shit load more about this than me are pushing back on pretty hard.  

4.  The virus originated in nature, was collected and taken to Wuhan, where it underwent genetic sequencing and modification to turn it into a more deadly version of the original, and was leaked from the lab via infection of lab personnel or some other mechanism.  

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4.  The virus originated in nature, was collected and taken to Wuhan, where it underwent genetic sequencing and modification to turn it into a more deadly version of the original, and was leaked from the lab via infection of lab personnel or some other mechanism.  

I don't even think it needed sequencing or modification, but that's certainly possible.  China has been back pedaling on this issue since even before it went global.  Nothing would surprise me about what was going on.

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4.  The virus originated in nature, was collected and taken to Wuhan, where it underwent genetic sequencing and modification to turn it into a more deadly version of the original, and was leaked from the lab via infection of lab personnel or some other mechanism.  

I think that that would fall under 1. 

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I think that that would fall under 1. 

Yep.  Didn't we get clarification from initial doctors that they were in fact doing GOF research at the lab?  That is no longer in dispute despite what Faucci likes to say.  Either way, the world needs to know.  

That China "disappeared" any scientists and journalists that spoke out on it is telling as is the gag order on their entire scientific community and complete erasure of all studied data and samples.  Just gone.  Poof.  

What was the early stat?  Had China been forthcoming on this virus initially, more than 95% of the worldwide cases could have been avoided.  Those are war type casualty numbers.  

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