Meanwhile, in Jerusalem...

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8 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

UN General Assembly

UN Security Council

The US has a veto on the UN Security Council, which it constantly uses on behalf of Israel.

This isn’t at all what UNGA or UNSC is. International law doesn’t derive from legislation, and UNGA doesn’t draft or pass “legislation.”

[bad_teammate 13,132]

12 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

This isn’t at all what UNGA or UNSC is.

Sure. I was talking to someone who didn't even know that much so it's good to start simple.

[DonkeyCigars 144]

2 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

@DonkeyCigars

What do you think about this? As a Zionist.

 

I think that what Palestine is doing is the right and good thing to do, if you believe the Israeli’s should not control all of Jerusalem. Making the noise and driving the awareness to get Israel to stop and to cancel all those who vocalize, maintain, give or aid in any way any support is the only way to stop it. Classic “slave morality” as  Nietzsche coined it (his term, not mine)— the only way the weak can overcome the strong.

My opinion is that Israel has made their bed and now has to lie in it for falling for a sueing for peace instead of winning in war what they wanted many years ago. I’m not sure how they get to a Zion now, I’m not bullish on the possibility anymore.

[DonkeyCigars 144]

2 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

@DonkeyCigars

What do you think about this? As a Zionist.

 

I think that what Palestine is doing is the right and good thing to do, if you believe the Israeli’s should not control all of Jerusalem. Making the noise and driving the awareness to get Israel to stop and to cancel all those who vocalize, maintain, give or aid in any way any support is the only way to stop it. Classic “slave morality” as  Nietzsche coined it (his term, not mine)— the only way the weak can overcome the strong.

My opinion is that Israel has made their bed and now has to lie in it for falling for a sueing for peace instead of winning in war what they wanted many years ago. I’m not sure how they get to a Zion now, I’m not bullish on the possibility anymore.

[DonkeyCigars 144]

2 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

@DonkeyCigars

What do you think about this? As a Zionist.

 

I think that what Palestine is doing is the right and good thing to do, if you believe the Israeli’s should not control all of Jerusalem. Making the noise and driving the awareness to get Israel to stop and to cancel all those who vocalize, maintain, give or aid in any way any support is the only way to stop it. Classic “slave morality” as  Nietzsche coined it (his term, not mine)— the only way the weak can overcome the strong.

My opinion is that Israel has made their bed and now has to lie in it for falling for a sueing for peace instead of winning in war what they wanted many years ago. I’m not sure how they get to a Zion now, I’m not bullish on the possibility anymore.

[DonkeyCigars 144]

2 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

@DonkeyCigars

What do you think about this? As a Zionist.

 

I think that what Palestine is doing is the right and good thing to do, if you believe the Israeli’s should not control all of Jerusalem. Making the noise and driving the awareness to get Israel to stop and to cancel all those who vocalize, maintain, give or aid in any way any support is the only way to stop it. Classic “slave morality” as  Nietzsche coined it (his term, not mine)— the only way the weak can overcome the strong.

My opinion is that Israel has made their bed and now has to lie in it for falling for a sueing for peace instead of winning in war what they wanted many years ago. I’m not sure how they get to a Zion now, I’m not bullish on the possibility anymore.

[DonkeyCigars 144]

2 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

@DonkeyCigars

What do you think about this? As a Zionist.

 

I think that what Palestine is doing is the right and good thing to do, if you believe the Israeli’s should not control all of Jerusalem. Making the noise and driving the awareness to get Israel to stop and to cancel all those who vocalize, maintain, give or aid in any way any support is the only way to stop it. Classic “slave morality” as  Nietzsche coined it (his term, not mine)— the only way the weak can overcome the strong.

My opinion is that Israel has made their bed and now has to lie in it for falling for a sueing for peace instead of winning in war what they wanted many years ago. I’m not sure how they get to a Zion now, I’m not bullish on the possibility anymore.

[DonkeyCigars 144]

Wow; I think the Matrix hiccuped after too many utterances of the word Zion.

[Brian Fantana 6,668]

[Onboard 2.0 9,083]

1 minute ago, Brian Fantana said:

We got the count up in here....

[Neonmoon 38,127]

I’m still learning but if this pedophile is on your side, that’s not a good thing

 

[bad_teammate 13,132]

50 minutes ago, DonkeyCigars said:

My opinion is that Israel has made their bed and now has to lie in it for falling for a sueing for peace instead of winning in war what they wanted many years ago. I’m not sure how they get to a Zion now, I’m not bullish on the possibility anymore.

So do you support or oppose the actions you see in the video I posted?

[hpslugga 4,044]

18 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

I’m still learning but if this pedophile is on your side, that’s not a good thing

 

Since this is the second time that rocket surgeon's name has been dropped here, I would be remiss if I didn't refer everyone to the absolute best takedown anyone has ever done on him (and think of the territory that covers):

https://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Chutzpah-Misuse-Anti-Semitism-History-ebook/dp/B072X6XGBM

[F250 28,691]

3 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

I’m still learning but if this pedophile is on your side, that’s not a good thing

 

Isn't the "self-loathing Jew" label just the Right Wing Jewish version of "No true Scotsman?"

If you are opposed to Zionism you are antisemitic or if you are Jewish and opposed to Zionism you are a self-loathing Jew.

If you oppose their Nationalist bigotry then that means you are guilty of bigotry.

 

[Shady Ray 1,633]

 

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For a little more background on the Original Post. (and sorry, I am an idiot when it comes to posting twitters, so in case this doesn't post correctly, here is the text of the full twitter thread):
 

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Today's Jerusalem Day march ends in an orgy of hate at the Western Wall. They sing: “Remember me! Strengthen me! Just this once, God, that I may with one blow take vengeance on the Palestinians (may their progeny be erased!) for my two eyes!” (altering Judges 16:28)

 

The 1996 song, "remember me" is associated with the Israeli far-right. In gained renewed attention after it was played in 2015 at a wedding while attendees celebrated the torching to death of Palestinian baby Ali Dawabsheh by Jewish militants

 

These teens are student of pre-military yeshivas (the flag being waved is for the Tzvia Yeshiva in Dimona). Imagine what these boys will do once they are given guns and authority over millions of Palestinians, while they enjoy near-total impunity.

 

As a Jew, it hurts me to see this disgusting show of hatred at the holiest site for the Jews, the Western Wall. Young boys celebrating as east Jerusalem burns. Zionism is infecting Jewish identity in Israel with ethno-nationalism, militarism and glorification of violence.

 

Re: the ancient curse used by those attending. At 00:07 you can hear the crowd scream "yimach shemam". Literally "may their name be erased." It is mentioned in the Bible (e.g. Psalms 109:13; Deuteronomy 25:19) in the context of erasing the progeny of a person/people (Amalekites)

 

 

I, for one, am thrilled that these fine young gentlemen will have the best of US military-grade technology at their disposal in a few short years.

 

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Also, in reference to song that they are apparently singing and its association with the death of infant Ali Dewabsheh:

 

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In December 2015 Israeli police began investigating a video of a Jewish wedding in Jerusalem celebrating the marriage of a person known to have been involved in price tag attacks, in which guests are shown stabbing a photo of the toddler, Ali Dawabsheh, who had died in the Duma arson attack. The same video contained scenes of guests, armed with guns, knives and Molotov cocktails, chanting a song with the words from the book of Judges (16:28), "O God, that I may be this once avenged of the Philistines for my two eyes", replacing "Philistines" with "Palestinians".^[74] A lawyer for the defendants in the case, Attorney Itamar Ben-Gvir, was also present and later said "No one realized these were photos of a member of the Dawabsheh family" - talking of the toddler photo which was stabbed and then burnt by wedding guests. Such scenes are reported to be typical of many such weddings.^[74][75]

Hussein Dawabsheh, the grandfather, was taunted by Jewish settlers outside the court proceedings who were supportive of the defendant. They chanted in Arabic "Where’s Ali? There’s no Ali. Ali is burned. On the fire. Ali is on the grill" and "Where is Ali? Where is Riham? Where is Saad? It's too bad Ahmed didn't burn as well."Police and court officials present did not interfere. Israeli Arab parliamentarian Ahmad Tibi put up as video capturing the incident.^[76][77][78]

In October 2016, an indictment for alleged incitement to violence or terror was filed against five minors who participated in the taunting. One of the minors was additionally charged with deliberate property damage.^[79] In October 2018, state prosecutors claimed to have lost video evidence of the taunting. Honenu [he] issued a joint statement by the defendants' attorneys, saying, "The loss casts doubt on the ability to prosecute the case."^[80]

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duma_arson_attack

 

 

Edited May 15, 2021 by Shady Ray

[bad_teammate 13,132]

Oops we lost the evidence so sorry

[wildcat09 29,258]

13 hours ago, hpslugga said:

Since this is the second time that rocket surgeon's name has been dropped here, I would be remiss if I didn't refer everyone to the absolute best takedown anyone has ever done on him (and think of the territory that covers):

https://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Chutzpah-Misuse-Anti-Semitism-History-ebook/dp/B072X6XGBM

For people who are too lazy to read, this is also discussed in an ALAB podcast episode on Dersh.

[DonkeyCigars 144]

13 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

So do you support or oppose the actions you see in the video I posted?

I neither support nor oppose. I respectfully abstain.

[bad_teammate 13,132]

 

[Brisketexan 104,628]

I neither support nor oppose. I respectfully abstain.

Not an option. Acceptance of inhuman action by “abstention” is support.

Just accept that we, the wonderful United States, the Shining City on a Hill, happily arm and support a group that celebrates and aspires to “erase” an entire people.

It doesn’t matter how much bad shit the Palestinians have done - and there’s plenty of red marks on their side of the ledger - genocide is the greatest of human crimes. And we should not enable or support it. But we do. And we CELEBRATE PROUDLY that we do. And your silence and “abstention” is consent.

“I neither support nor oppose the construction and operation of Auschwitz.” Imagine saying that. And realize that you just did.

[WhatTheBuck 28,713]

Oh, great.

https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-business-media-hamas-middle-east-7974cc0c03897b8b21e5fc2f8c7d8a79

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GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) — An Israeli airstrike on Saturday targeted and destroyed a high-rise building in Gaza City that housed offices of The Associated Press and other media outlets. AP’s president said the agency was “shocked and horrified” at the strike. 

AP staffers and other tenants safely evacuated the building after the military telephoned a warning that the strike was imminent within an hour. Three heavy missiles struck the 12-story building, collapsing it in a giant cloud of dust.

For 15 years, the AP’s top-floor office and roof terrace were a prime location for covering Israel’s conflicts with Gaza’s Hamas rulers, including wars in 2009 and 2014. The news agency’s camera offered 24-hour live shots as militants’ rockets arched toward Israel and Israeli airstrikes hammered the city and its surrounding area this week

 

[Brisketexan 104,628]

Oh, great.
https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-business-media-hamas-middle-east-7974cc0c03897b8b21e5fc2f8c7d8a79

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) — An Israeli airstrike on Saturday targeted and destroyed a high-rise building in Gaza City that housed offices of The Associated Press and other media outlets. AP’s president said the agency was “shocked and horrified” at the strike. 

AP staffers and other tenants safely evacuated the building after the military telephoned a warning that the strike was imminent within an hour. Three heavy missiles struck the 12-story building, collapsing it in a giant cloud of dust.

For 15 years, the AP’s top-floor office and roof terrace were a prime location for covering Israel’s conflicts with Gaza’s Hamas rulers, including wars in 2009 and 2014. The news agency’s camera offered 24-hour live shots as militants’ rockets arched toward Israel and Israeli airstrikes hammered the city and its surrounding area this week

 

Remember, to the far right worldwide - in Israel and right here at home - the press is “the enemy of the people.” This is on-brand.

[Neonmoon 38,127]

So what is Israel's argument? That the land grab during the Six Day War was totally legit and they are now just defending their land? 

[bolverk 29,402]

30 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

So what is Israel's argument? That the land grab during the Six Day War was totally legit and they are now just defending their land? 

Their argument is they need Lebensraum.

Edited May 15, 2021 by bolverk
they're there their

[DonkeyCigars 144]

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

“I neither support nor oppose the construction and operation of Auschwitz.” Imagine saying that. And realize that you just did.

Asinine. This is completely different, but I guess that is where we are as a thread and society.

[bad_teammate 13,132]

13 minutes ago, DonkeyCigars said:

Asinine. This is completely different, but I guess that is where we are as a thread and society.

Explain.

[Grade of D as in David 13,253]

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

 

Remember, to the far right worldwide - in Israel and right here at home - the press is “the enemy of the people.” This is on-brand.

Israel is a state based terrorist organization.

[Blotto 23,434]

I just don't understand what went wrong. There was a peace plan. Kushner signed off on it and everything. 

[F250 28,691]

She's right you know.

 

[WhatTheBuck 28,713]

9 minutes ago, F250 said:

She's right you know.

 

To be fair, voting for a ceasefire wouldn’t have resulted in a ceasefire.

[F250 28,691]

3 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

To be fair, voting for a ceasefire wouldn’t have resulted in a ceasefire.

Israel will continue to keep doing these things specifically because the United States will always back their play no matter how inhumane their actions. The Biden administration is just messaging Israel that it's business as usual.

 

 

 

[WhatTheBuck 28,713]

3 minutes ago, F250 said:

Israel will continue to keep doing these things specifically because the United States will always back their play no matter how inhumane their actions. The Biden administration is just messaging Israel that it's business as usual.

 

 

 

Same as it ever was. Same as it ever was.

[Nivek 16,861]

Not an option. Acceptance of inhuman action by “abstention” is support.

Just accept that we, the wonderful United States, the Shining City on a Hill, happily arm and support a group that celebrates and aspires to “erase” an entire people.

It doesn’t matter how much bad shit the Palestinians have done - and there’s plenty of red marks on their side of the ledger - genocide is the greatest of human crimes. And we should not enable or support it. But we do. And we CELEBRATE PROUDLY that we do. And your silence and “abstention” is consent.

“I neither support nor oppose the construction and operation of Auschwitz.” Imagine saying that. And realize that you just did.

I don’t know about that last part. Abstaining from passing judgement because one does not know the complexities involved is understandable. It is actually laudable to a degree. We cannot be experts on everything.

That comparison is particularly loaded since we have the benefit of hindsight and it is a clear who the bad guys were.

[Neonmoon 38,127]

You can’t make this shit up 

https://www.axios.com/jared-kushner-abraham-accords-institute-a3be5e91-928c-496b-a324-9b988e2984a9.html

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Jared Kushner is founding an organization called the Abraham Accords Institute for Peace, to work on deepening the normalization agreements he helped strike between Israel and Arab countries.

The big picture: The Abraham Accords, signed in September 2020, were arguably Trump's biggest foreign policy achievement and the biggest breakthrough for relations between Israel and the Arab world for 25 years. 

Details: The non-partisan, non-profit organization will have a five-year mandate and be funded through private donations. 

• According to a statement, it will focus on increasing trade and tourism between the five signatory countries — Israel, Bahrain, the UAE, Morocco and Sudan — and developing programs to foster people-to-people connections between the countries.
• It will also "provide analysis of the benefits of normalization and the potential benefits additional Arab countries can receive if they join the Abraham Accords."

 

[MaybeACoordinator 8,349]

I don't think this will prove to be same as it ever was...Trump drove a wedge between a majority of Israelis and a majority of American Jews, and I think a whole lot of American Jews feel profoundly tainted by the association with Trump and Netanyahu.  The scales are falling from their eyes. Many see clearly what they chose not to see before, blinded by patriotism, pride, and no small amount of fear for their survival.

This just feels different. The coverage over here is not the same. Biden seems visibly to be going through the motions, and knowing that people know he's going through the motions. More people have access to more neutral sources like the BBC and pro-Palestinian sources like any number podcasts. For the first time we are seeing Israeli atrocities broadcast here uncut. 

Netanyahu got greedy and fucked the whole thing up. My ideal solution: bring all the secular-to-moderately faithful Jews to the west and let the ultra-orthodox crazies go fulfill their apocalyptic dreams of martyrdom. Which would likely come soon, as many of them are too religious to serve in the IDF, so it would be up to them to defend themselves house by house, without tanks and fighters and missiles. 

[hpslugga 4,044]

On 5/14/2021 at 10:29 PM, F250 said:

Isn't the "self-loathing Jew" label just the Right Wing Jewish version of "No true Scotsman?"

If you are opposed to Zionism you are antisemitic or if you are Jewish and opposed to Zionism you are a self-loathing Jew.

If you oppose their Nationalist bigotry then that means you are guilty of bigotry.

It's a kind of self-reinforcing form of psychosis, especially with people like Dershowitz that went so far as to state, on Harvard's website, that Norman Finkelstein's late mother was a Nazi collaborator. His evidence? She survived the Holocaust!!! How could she do that unless she was a collaborator?!?! JUST ASKING QUESTIONS!!!

At the end of the day, their whole schtick is exactly that: schtick. Every logical fallacy known to man has been used by characters like that to justify the occupation, and every argument they've used to justify the occupation is a logical fallacy. The political right likes to bitch about so-called "identity politics," and yet they cannot for the life of them actually identify it when it's staring them dead in the face...off the reflection of the fucking mirror.

[lmao 178]

"Palestinians have been killed. Some of these people are entirely innocent non-combatants, including children. This is an unspeakable tragedy. It is also one of the unavoidable burdens of political power, of Zionism’s dream turned into the reality of self-determination."

-Bari Weiss

Sounds no different than this:

"Jews have been killed. Some of these people are entirely innocent non-combatants, including children. This is an unspeakable tragedy. It is also one of the unavoidable burdens of political power, of Germany's dream turned into the reality of Aryan self-determination."

Edited May 16, 2021 by lmao

[bad_teammate 13,132]

Norman Finkelstein going hard on Bari Weiss

 

Edited May 16, 2021 by bad_teammate

[hpslugga 4,044]

1 hour ago, bad_teammate said:

Norman Finkelstein going hard on Bari Weiss

 

“Casualty reports are hard to verify because Hamas controls the media (even the international press)”

I’m glad we have brave people like Bari Weiss to enlighten us as to the reality of Hamas controlling the international media.

[Gatorubet 30,115]

Oklahoma....  Win win for all. 

Do we want Okies with a Desert Eagle? That’s one great big ol' pistol I mean .50 caliber made by bad ass Hebrews.

[JBJ 3,649]

15 hours ago, Nivek said:

I don’t know about that last part. Abstaining from passing judgement because one does not know the complexities involved is understandable. It is actually laudable to a degree. We cannot be experts on everything.

That comparison is particularly loaded since we have the benefit of hindsight and it is a clear who the bad guys were.

This is pretty much exactly correct.  Hamas seems to be the only clear-cut bad guy in this conflict, with Israel and PLA having their own faults.  I don't think either represents or serves their people particularly well.  I would not call any party the good guy in the conflict.

 

On 5/15/2021 at 12:10 PM, Neonmoon said:

So what is Israel's argument? That the land grab during the Six Day War was totally legit and they are now just defending their land? 

The UN resolutions are more of guidelines laying the groundwork to negotiate by.  They aren't "international law."  In this case UNSC 242 has been resolved through negotiations and is now superceded by treaty:

Egypt and Jordan signed treaties with Israel that reliquished their claims to Gaza and West Bank. 

The Golan Heights issue with Syria is not resolved with neither side honoring the proposed border.

Jerusalem and Palestinians were not considerations of 242, but those relations are governed by the Oslo Accords.

So except for Syria, 242 and 338 have been resolved by treaties and those treaties are what Israel is bound to.

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1515 never get off the ground because the 2nd Infatada wouldn't honor a ceasefire.

[Chuckie Finster 22,600]

I don't think this will prove to be same as it ever was...Trump drove a wedge between a majority of Israelis and a majority of American Jews, and I think a whole lot of American Jews feel profoundly tainted by the association with Trump and Netanyahu.  The scales are falling from their eyes. Many see clearly what they chose not to see before, blinded by patriotism, pride, and no small amount of fear for their survival.
This just feels different. The coverage over here is not the same. Biden seems visibly to be going through the motions, and knowing that people know he's going through the motions. More people have access to more neutral sources like the BBC and pro-Palestinian sources like any number podcasts. For the first time we are seeing Israeli atrocities broadcast here uncut. 
Netanyahu got greedy and fucked the whole thing up. My ideal solution: bring all the secular-to-moderately faithful Jews to the west and let the ultra-orthodox crazies go fulfill their apocalyptic dreams of martyrdom. Which would likely come soon, as many of them are too religious to serve in the IDF, so it would be up to them to defend themselves house by house, without tanks and fighters and missiles. 

As an American Jew, I purposefully avoid this topic because I have been unable to put my feelings into words. This tweet thread is the closest I’ve seen anyone articulate how I’m feeling.

being an american jew is a mindfuck

we’re less than 80 years removed from the holocaust. we know survivors who are still alive. we’re raised believing there’s this magical country across the world that’s a homeland for jews. and then we learn the govt of that country is using its power to oppress non-jews.

we have family and friends who live in israel. many of us have been there on organized trips and have fond memories. then we realize we were able to enjoy because we weren’t told the truth about where we were. the word palestine was not uttered once.

so we start to speak out against the israeli occupation of palestine. we’re called traitors. we’re told we’re perpetuating antisemitism. we’re told it’s too complicated for us to understand. we’re told that, just like in most of history, the jews are the ones being persecuted.

we desperately want a safe place for jews. we know they tried to wipe us out so recently. but why does a safe homeland for us mean the subjugation of another? how can we justify supremacy when we’ve time and again been the victims of it?

the history of jewish oppression has created inter-generational trauma. many feel any form of self-preservation is justified because we’re always one breath away from annihilation. but traumatizing another group will never lessen ours.

i don’t have any answers. i don’t know how we fix it. all i know is that i exist solely because my grandfather was able to escape oppression while his family perished. and i’ll be damned if i’m told the death of palestinians is the price we must pay to survive.

[Gatorubet 30,115]

The UN resolutions are more of guidelines laying the groundwork to negotiate by. 

[Ag with kids 581]

I haven't read every single post on this thread but I've got the general idea that quite a few of y'all are are big proponents of coming up with a way to really solve the issue that the Jewish people are causing in the Middle East.  Something that would end the conflict once and for all.

Some kind of a final solution to the Jewish problem...

[Gatorubet 30,115]

I haven't read every single post on this thread but I've got the general idea that quite a few of y'all are are big proponents of coming up with a way to really solve the issue that the Jewish people are causing in the Middle East.  Something that would end the conflict once and for all.
Some kind of a final solution to the Jewish problem...

Thank you Captain Binary, but I like my Binary with bigger tits.

[F250 28,691]

24 minutes ago, Ag with kids said:

I haven't read every single post on this thread but I've got the general idea that quite a few of y'all are are big proponents of coming up with a way to really solve the issue that the Jewish people are causing in the Middle East.  Something that would end the conflict once and for all.

Some kind of a final solution to the Jewish problem...

Username checks out.

 

[hobbes2702 12,846]

47 minutes ago, Ag with kids said:

I haven't read every single post on this thread but I've got the general idea that quite a few of y'all are are big proponents of coming up with a way to really solve the issue that the Jewish people are causing in the Middle East.  Something that would end the conflict once and for all.

Some kind of a final solution to the Jewish problem...

Is this a real take? 

[Anastasis 23,394]

3 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Is this a real take? 

Of course it is. Cause if you think that we should not arm and fund an apartheid state that is systemically dehumanizing and terrorizing people in the occupied territories, that basically means you want to put Jews in gas chambers. This is what passes for intelligent thought in college station. 

[bolverk 29,402]

I feel bad for his kids.

[bad_teammate 13,132]

The idea that the Jews need Israel to "survive" is self-serving horse shit. Not because anti-Semitism isn't real (it absolutely is) and not because they are forever safe (they aren't), but because it is very clearly a case of Zionist Jews using an opportunity to reclaim a perceived homeland and the West finding a very easy way to pay for its sins, e.g., giving away someone else's land.

That kind of cynical exploitation of a horror is bound to chafe and the effectiveness of calling on that specter is going to wane.

And as I've said before, counting on the West to remain forever in love with Jews and the idea of a Jewish homeland is braindead. Better to shield everyone involved under compliance with international law.