Incels: Involuntarily Celibate & Sexual Marxism

[El Diablo 4232]

From the Lulz...

 

An Arizona woman who called herself the “new Hitler” was busted this week for allegedly stalking a man — and sending him over 65,000 text messages in less than a year — after they went on a single date, according to reports.

Jacqueline Ades of Phoenix was arrested Tuesday and slapped with charges of threatening and intimating, stalking and harassment.

A month ago, the unidentified man called Paradise Valley cops when surveillance footage showed her taking a bath in his tub when he was away on a trip.

Ades, 31 — who authorities said had a butcher knife in her car — was arrested but later released and never showed up for her court date.

On Tuesday, she went to the man’s place of work in Scottsdale, and was escorted from the building. Paradise Valley cops got wind of the incident, and busted her in Phoenix. Ades — who told cops she was the victim’s wife — is being held without bond.

According to court records, Ades became obsessed — visiting the man’s home and office and inundating his phone with texts, sometimes 500 in just one day, after she met him last summer through an online dating website, AZCentral.com reported.

Last summer, the victim reportedly called the cops when he found Ades parked outside his home. Officers escorted her off the property.

Ades allegedly proceeded to send the man alarming texts following the incident.

“Oh what would I do w ur blood! … Id wanna bathe in it,” one text said, according to AZCentral.com, citing court documents.

According to the news outlet, Ades called herself the “new Hitler” in another text.

In another message, Ades alleged wrote: “Don’t ever try to leave me…I’ll kill you…I don’t wanna be a murderer.”

Ades told cops that she never wanted to hurt the man and sent the messages because she did not want him to leave her, AZCentral.com reported.

[chainsaw 10283]

Never been a fan of the livejournal style of "journalism."  Can anyone TLDR the article?

[Apep 645]

Awkward, 34 year-old neckbeard asks out 20 year-old college student. After several false starts and the college student having to drink a little and build up a huge fantasy to even fuck the neckbeard, it doesn't go well. She cuts it off. Some time later, he stalks her in a student bar and calls her a whore.

[chainsaw 10283]

So one neckbeard neckbeards to a blogger?

[Ghost of 3:16 7]

I’ll just cuck them in Congress too

[El Diablo 4232]

17 hours ago, Apep said:

Awkward, 34 year-old neckbeard asks out 20 year-old college student. After several false starts and the college student having to drink a little and build up a huge fantasy to even fuck the neckbeard, it doesn't go well. She cuts it off. Some time later, he stalks her in a student bar and calls her a whore.

You left out the cats. 

[Rusty Shackelford 414]

Never been a fan of the livejournal style of "journalism."  Can anyone TLDR the article?

It says Fiction at the very top of the page

[chainsaw 10283]

1 hour ago, Rusty Shackelford said:

 

It says Fiction at the very top of the page

 

Supposedly inspired by a true story.

[ajax 2675]

I think everyone is missing the point.

Has anyone else looked at the message boards for the incel movement? I have. They're not talking about raping or molesting women. They talk about murdering or massacring women and the men that women date. They delight when a woman get hurt or maimed. It's really really dark and fucked up.

You people are talking about rape culture or hookup culture, which might be a legitimate topic for another thread but that's not what these incel guys are talking about. They have this belief that everything comes down to looks, and if you aren't born with looks you are doomed to loneliness. Which is insane. All you have to do is look around and you'll see attractive guys who can't get dates and unattractive guys who are always dating hot women.

But what it is is a convenient excuse for extreme social awkwardness and an unwillingness to improve oneself.

Just look at the mass murderers who have identified as incel. Elliot Roger wasn't going on dates and molesting women. He had no friends, never dated. He invented all kinds of reasons why he couldn't get a date and he was angry at the world. The Va Tech shooter never talked to anyone. If I recall, the first person he killed was some guy who dated some girl he liked. Or maybe it was the girl. But he never talked to either one of them. And wasn't there some guy who shot up a yoga studio or something? He had a diary where he said he hadn't gone on a date in 20 years or something.

These guys aren't rapists. They are psychotic, delusional guys who associate among themselves and have constructed some elaborate victim fantasy. In a way it's worse because any number of them could explode and become the next mass murderer.

I said before, the internet is turning people insane. In previous time, friends and family would never allow a man to descend into this kind of madness. They'd pull him away and back into the community. These guys have branched off into their own isolated, insane fantasy world.

If any of you have a son who is getting into this incel cutlure, I would suggest quitting your job, move your entire family to Quaker country and ban all access to the internet.A good barn raising will shake him out of the insanity.

[52-80 19377]

so....theres a lot of closet murderers on surly.

[chainsaw 10283]

If you combine these ideas with legitimate mental illness, it's a recipe for disaster.

[Orca of Peace 109]

On 5/7/2018 at 1:35 PM, hayden_horn said:

here's the thing: all sex is transactional, whether we like to admit it or not. and this isn't a "you're paying for it some way" hot take, i mean it seriously.

as a chivalrous guy, i frequently sprung for drinks or dinner when i was dating. i would be lying if i said that there wasn't some soft expectation buried in that chivalry. i honestly think that's natural, so some of the anecdotes up in that article bother me. an unwanted advance is not an assault. i would argue that if girls want to be on the left side of the equation, then they stop accepting drinks or dinners from guys. that takes you from the sum of the equation to the math part of the equation. it also empowers women.

however, some dudes are total assholes, and rape culture absolutely exists, no matter what slorch tries to claim. and both men and women are a part of that culture. there is a reason that baylor and penn state went on for years. hell, even women counselors at baylor tried to bury the rapes that existed there. that's how ingrained it was.

it exists when guys like slorch claims it does not. we are all part of it to varying degrees, whether it's my soft expectation that enough dinner dates would get me a bedroom date. to deny that it exists is folly. because slorch feels somehow victimized in the castigation of rape culture, it must not exist? that's ridiculous.

but it brings me back to my point: all sex is transactional. whether one pays a hooker, or pays for dinner, or even facilitates a free flow of ideas about philosophies of life, there IS a trade of some kind made before the pants come off. virtually no sex occurs without some transaction. so the part of the article above that annoys me is "she doesn't owe you shit." it's a two way road, and we owe each other any number of things. by accepting invitations to expensive dinners, by accepting invitations to hotel rooms, women put themselves back at the sum part of the equation, instead of the empowered left side of the equation. if a girl accepts my invitation to my hotel room, i would expect she knows why i'm asking. that doesn't give me free reign to do whatever i want once she crosses that threshold, however, and if at any time she wants to stop, things need to stop - i want to be clear on that front. but there ARE sexual expectations out there.

anyways, just a few thoughts i was having over the weekend.

tl;dr: boys and girls in america have such a sad time together; sophistication demands that they submit to sex immediately without proper preliminary talk. Not courting talk — real straight talk about souls, for life is holy and every moment is precious. - kerouac

so a contradiction? This is a funny take to me as i remember my youth where i had sex with strippers for free, in my residence. Just have a conversation as you would with any human being and they get to like you as a person. That's all, of course it helps to be physically fit, nice face, full head of hair an in one's 20s.  Being a good looking young man with a sense of humor helps immensely. 

[BrazilHorn 6826]

4 minutes ago, Orca of Peace said:

so a contradiction? This is a funny take to me as i remember my youth where i had sex with strippers for free, in my residence. Just have a conversation as you would with any human being and they get to like you as a person. That's all, of course it helps to be physically fit, nice face, full head of hair an in one's 20s.  Being a good looking young man with a sense of humor helps immensely. 

And you’d never given these strippers money at a strip club? You didn’t buy dinner/drinks at all?

That’s the point of the “it’s all economic” 

I don’t fully agree with statement but your response doesn’t disavow it. 

[Orca of Peace 109]

1 hour ago, BrazilHorn said:

And you’d never given these strippers money at a strip club? You didn’t buy dinner/drinks at all?

That’s the point of the “it’s all economic” 

I don’t fully agree with statement but your response doesn’t disavow it. 

nope, not the ones who came home with me. In fact, a couple of them called me after i gave them my #, i didn't even have their #.  This was in the mid 90s.

[MaybeACoordinator 8350]

6 hours ago, Orca of Peace said:

nope, not the ones who came home with me. In fact, a couple of them called me after i gave them my #, i didn't even have their #.  This was in the mid 90s.

I had a gratis three-way with a pair of strippers in my rutting elk days. I wound up with the crabs. There is no such thing as free pussy or safe drugs, as Tom T. Hall used to say.