2021 NBA Playoffs

[d2o 1602]

2 minutes ago, Blotto said:

He also loses Giannis in the ECF and finds a way to win games 5 & 6. Look, I'm not claiming he is the best coach in the league, but think he gets more shit than is due. If he wins the fucking finals this year, i guess the argument will be that the Bucks won in spite of Bud? Which seems crazy to me based on the state of that franchise before he got there. 

They were playing a team that is not really close to them without their best player as well.  They still managed to get blown the fuck out once by that team without Trae.   And yes, I said that they are winning in spite of him about 2-3 weeks ago in the BKN series.   

[Blotto 23418]

4 minutes ago, d2o said:

They were playing a team that is not really close to them without their best player as well.  They still managed to get blown the fuck out once by that team without Trae.   And yes, I said that they are winning in spite of him about 2-3 weeks ago in the BKN series.   

So why didnt they win before he got there? 

[d2o 1602]

 

Just now, Blotto said:

So why didnt they win before he got there? 

Cause Giannis wasn't a MVP level player.

[Blotto 23418]

You convinced me. He's been a disaster. Bucks should have never hired the guy

 

[d2o 1602]

22 minutes ago, Blotto said:

You convinced me. He's been a disaster. Bucks should have never hired the guy

 

Context is a wonderful thing my friend

[shadow_operative 15931]

can anyone find the TV ratings for game three?

[406W30th 1111]

11 hours ago, shadow_operative said:

i watched the MLB draft over the NBA Finals. i've never watched the MLB draft before, but it seemed like a more captivating choice at the time. looks like i didn't miss much. 

Admittedly I'm biased but I'm not sure how anyone who likes the NBA can hate on these Finals. You have two organizations who've overcome the hurdle of being from a small market and had to build their teams from the ground up, through the draft and smart trades. You have a supernova talent in Giannis, one of the game's best young offensive players in Devin Booker, and a first-ballot HOFer (and maybe the best pure point guard ever) trying to get his first ring. 

Both of fanbases are awesome. I was at the game last night and I've never felt anything close to that kind of energy in a crowd, including both natty's that Texas played in at the Rose Bowl. It was absolutely bonkers, and it looks pretty much the same in Phoenix.

The games haven't been close but they've been good basketball and Giannis has been putting up historical numbers the last two games.

 

[ztejas 43244]

26 minutes ago, 406W30th said:

Admittedly I'm biased but I'm not sure how anyone who likes the NBA can hate on these Finals. You have two organizations who've overcome the hurdle of being from a small market and had to build their teams from the ground up, through the draft and smart trades. You have a supernova talent in Giannis, one of the game's best young offensive players in Devin Booker, and a first-ballot HOFer (and maybe the best pure point guard ever) trying to get his first ring. 

Both of fanbases are awesome. I was at the game last night and I've never felt anything close to that kind of energy in a crowd, including both natty's that Texas played in at the Rose Bowl. It was absolutely bonkers, and it looks pretty much the same in Phoenix.

The games haven't been close but they've been good basketball and Giannis has been putting up historical numbers the last two games.

 

I don't care who wins. It's that simple. It also feels like a watered down championship. 

No shit you're enjoying it, you were at the game. I'd go to any Finals game in NBA history if I was in town and someone offered me a ticket. 

I'm also not not watching, though. I'm just not tuning in for all of each game or worrying about when the games start. I watched like a quarter last night and maybe half of the first two games.

Edited July 12, 2021 by ztejas

[shadow_operative 15931]

i just don't care about Milwaukee or Phoenix. there's nothing captivating about it for a neutral fan. it's a guy who can't shoot leading his team full of nobodies against one of the dirtiest players in the league and his team of young-and-talented-but-never-on-TV teammates. it's two small market teams whose headliners have very little charisma or cache. and each team got there because other, better teams suffered injuries. i'm just so nonplussed but the entire event that i haven't watched a minute of it. Copa America, nightly baseball, and Ty Madden's draft slot >>> the 2021 NBA Finals for me. 

also, Milwaukee is dreadful to watch when they aren't hitting threes.

Edited July 12, 2021 by shadow_operative

[d2o 1602]

Good grief

[tbone_ 14020]

Lot of words for someone who doesn’t give a shit

[shadow_operative 15931]

6 minutes ago, d2o said:

Good grief

awesome post, definitely worth submitting.

[shadow_operative 15931]

3 minutes ago, tbone_ said:

Lot of words for someone who doesn’t give a shit

really? you think that's a lot of words? get out of your feelings and add something to the thread, or abstain from posting. 

[d2o 1602]

Just now, shadow_operative said:

awesome post, definitely worth submitting.

ditto

[shadow_operative 15931]

2 minutes ago, d2o said:

ditto

i made a post explaining why i'm not interested in this year's nba finals. you're in here crying about nothing and whining about me. you tell me whose post was unnecessary.

Edited July 12, 2021 by shadow_operative

[d2o 1602]

Just now, shadow_operative said:

i made a post explaining why i'm not interested in this year's nba finals. yoire in here crying about nothing and whining about me. you tell me who's post doesn't belong.

No one cares why you're a casual brah.

[shadow_operative 15931]

7 minutes ago, d2o said:

No one cares why you're a casual brah.

more like you and tbone are in your feelings for zero discernible reason. we were having a perfectly normal back and forth about the NBA finals and then you two came in out of nowhere whining about me (but not ztejas?) not having interest in this year's Finals. you are Derka'ing this thread simply because you don't like Derka's opinion.

 

Edited July 12, 2021 by shadow_operative

[ztejas 43244]

Y'all are so full of shit. Ratings are awful. Again. Slightly better than last year which was horrible. It isn't just casual viewers not tuning in. Bucks/Nets G7 was the Eastern Conference semis, not on network, and almost as many people watched as are watching the Finals. There was nothing captivating about last night's game past the 2nd quarter. 

[d2o 1602]

10 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Y'all are so full of shit. Ratings are awful. Again. Slightly better than last year which was horrible. It isn't just casual viewers not tuning in. Bucks/Nets G7 was the Eastern Conference semis, not on network, and almost as many people watched as are watching the Finals. There was nothing captivating about last night's game past the 2nd quarter. 

Then don't watch.   I've said it over and over.   I don't care what ratings say who is watching and who isn't.   If you cannot get into the reasons 406W30th noted then IMO you're a casual.   You need bigger names and other storylines, cool.  Do you.   I don't get why some of yall feel the need to roll in and tell people how much you're not watching.

I just don't want to hear you whining about how small markets cant complete or how "superteams" are killing the league from you.

[MNLonghornFUKM 8799]

Y'all are so full of shit. Ratings are awful. Again. Slightly better than last year which was horrible. It isn't just casual viewers not tuning in. Bucks/Nets G7 was the Eastern Conference semis, not on network, and almost as many people watched as are watching the Finals. There was nothing captivating about last night's game past the 2nd quarter. 

The games have been god awful. Once someone gets up 10, they’re virtually decided

[shadow_operative 15931]

6 minutes ago, d2o said:

Then don't watch.   I've said it over and over.   I don't care what ratings say who is watching and who isn't.   If you cannot get into the reasons 406W30th noted then IMO you're a casual.   You need bigger names and other storylines, cool.  Do you.   I don't get why some of yall feel the need to roll in and tell people how much you're not watching.

I just don't want to hear you whining about how small markets cant complete or how "superteams" are killing the league from you.

is this a bit? you are the only one who is whining here. ztejas and i are talking about the nba playoffs, and you are whining about the fact that we don't like them as much as you do. grow up. 

edit: add MNL to the list of people who are talking about these Finals/who you demand leave the thread because we aren't thrilled with this year's finals.

Edited July 12, 2021 by shadow_operative

[d2o 1602]

Just now, shadow_operative said:

is this a bit? you are the only one who is whining here. ztejas and i are talking about the nba playoffs, and you are whining about the fact that we don't like them as much as you do. grow up. 

Thats the thing.   You arent talking about the games.   You're talking about how you are watching other things over the playoffs.   Take it to the MLB draft thread.

[shadow_operative 15931]

1 minute ago, d2o said:

Thats the thing.   You arent talking about the games.   You're talking about how you are watching other things over the playoffs.   Take it to the MLB draft thread.

the games are bad, and boring, and not compelling. that's why i, and millions of other basketball fans, aren't watching. deal with it. or don't! maybe getting upset that not everyone loves these finals as much as you do is a great idea! 

[Pam Cummings 9553]

Yeah a guy who is putting his team on his back despite having hyperextended his knee a week ago isn't compelling at all.

 

Derka you literally said you didn't watch the games. And then you're in the thread that is meant for discussions about the game, telling us why you didn't watch. That's great and all, but we don't care.

Edited July 12, 2021 by Pam Cummings

[d2o 1602]

11 minutes ago, shadow_operative said:

the games are bad, and boring, and not compelling. that's why i, and millions of other basketball fans, aren't watching. deal with it. or don't! maybe getting upset that not everyone loves these finals as much as you do is a great idea! 

I'm not upset.   Just don't care whether you or anyone is watching or not.   Not so sure why that is so difficult for you to understand.

[Pam Cummings 9553]

Also isn't the 2016 Finals where the Cavs came back from 3-1 considered the best Finals ever? Anyone wanna remind our bored friends what the scores were in the first 3 games of that series?

 

What makes it compelling is what could still happen, not what has already happened.

Edited July 12, 2021 by Pam Cummings

[TommyGufano 6021]

3 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

Also isn't the 2017 Finals where the Cavs came back from 3-1 considered the best Finals ever? Anyone wanna remind our bored friends what the scores were in the first 3 games of that series?

 

What makes it compelling is what could still happen, not what has already happened.

2016. YMMV on best finals ever

It does seem odd to announce that you didn't watch something and it was boring. I'm more inclined to take the word of ppl who tuned in

Edited July 12, 2021 by TommyGufano

[tbone_ 14020]

abstain from posting. 

Nah. I think I’ll post whenever I want to. And you can just deal with it.

But by all means, please more words from you. People enjoy them so much.

[Loch Ness Monster 3533]

Yeah, Lebron and KD are not there to draw in casuals. Who cares how many people are watching?

Main problem is there have been no nail biter games yet. 

[immortal13 4059]

1 hour ago, tbone_ said:

Lot of words for someone who doesn’t give a shit

Derka's editor quit on him a while back

[Patrick Bateman 3903]

3 hours ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

The games have been god awful. Once someone gets up 10, they’re virtually decided

I think this may be a worthwhile criticism, although it's only been 3 games, but there have been a few Finals like this.  It's like the SB for awhile in the aughts/teens, where they just weren't compelling games and hard on the eyes.  A lot like the 2017 Finals, IIRC?  There was like 1 game that was really close in the final moments.  I do really want to see how these teams compete and react to a last 4 minute game where it's close.  I'm hoping we get it in Game 4.  

 

2 hours ago, Pam Cummings said:

Also isn't the 2016 Finals where the Cavs came back from 3-1 considered the best Finals ever? Anyone wanna remind our bored friends what the scores were in the first 3 games of that series?

 

What makes it compelling is what could still happen, not what has already happened.

This is a really good point.  Sometimes patience is rewarded..... sometimes not.  As far as marketability, aggie has been hitting on it a bit.  No Lebron (37), No Steph (33), No KD (32).  We do have one of the best 5 players in the game (regardless if you like his game) trying to will his team to a championship over one, if not, the pre-eminent PG of the last 20 years.  It has a little juice but it feels like the markets are driving some folks away and that's a shame, but definitely a challenge for the NBA or MLB.  Would there be big TV ratings for Brewers/Tampa?  Probably not, but it doesn't meant it's not a good matchup..... hopefully the games get a bit more competitive from the outset.

 

[tbone_ 14020]

Yea I’d agree on the up by 10 comment.

[shadow_operative 15931]

3 hours ago, Pam Cummings said:

Yeah a guy who is putting his team on his back despite having hyperextended his knee a week ago isn't compelling at all.

 

Derka you literally said you didn't watch the games. And then you're in the thread that is meant for discussions about the game, telling us why you didn't watch. That's great and all, but we don't care.

believe it or not, i don't make posts for yours and D2O's approval. and if you want to keep pushing the issue, we can go there. because this is absolutely a hill i'm willing to die on.

THIS THREAD IS NOT A SAFE SPACE FOR YOU. 

you don't have to like what i say. you don't have to respond to it. but you do not get to tell me what i can and cannot post in here based on your own personal preferences. i'm allowed to post about the thread topic, even if what i have to say is, "i don't find the thread topic very interesting this year." after that, your response is 100% on you. if nobody responds to mine or ztejas's posts, then it ends right there. but if a gaggle of you wants to whine and cry and make it a huge issue, then that's the way the thread will go.

 

i will never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever abstain from making germane posts in the relevant threads because you (or anyone else) don't like what i have to say. it's the whole fucking concept behind this site. whine about it, drag it out, argue with me until you collapse, i don't care. i'm allowed to give my thoughts, however unpopular they may be, and that's that. you can't handle it? go post on hornfans with my blessing.

Edited July 12, 2021 by shadow_operative

[shadow_operative 15931]

3 hours ago, Pam Cummings said:

Also isn't the 2016 Finals where the Cavs came back from 3-1 considered the best Finals ever? Anyone wanna remind our bored friends what the scores were in the first 3 games of that series?

 

What makes it compelling is what could still happen, not what has already happened.

you're seriously comparing LeBron and Kyrie vs Golden State to this year's Finals? wow. that is so incomprehensibly stupid that it offends me, and therefore, i'm going to have to ask you to stop posting in this thread. no posts that offend me are allowed.

[shadow_operative 15931]

there were a total of six posts in this thread during the game last night. none of the people who are currently in this thread just totally miffed and beside themselves as to how anyone could not be interested in these finals made any of those six posts. and yet you guys claim that you can't imagine how any basketball fan could not be interested in these finals. okie dokie!

by the way, it was D2O who started this whole deal with his, "for all of those people claiming that nobody is watching the finals" post. of course it was immediately pointed out to him that the ratings he was quoting as "good" were actually terrible compared to year's past, and thus the conversation continued. but please, PLEASE continue to talk down on anyone who isn't interested in these super compelling finals from way up there on your high horse. you totally have a leg to stand on here. 👍🏼 

Edited July 12, 2021 by shadow_operative

[Pam Cummings 9553]

[tbone_ 14020]

Suns in 6 bitches!

[Loch Ness Monster 3533]

Who is this guy having a meltdown about not watching the NBA Finals? It's gonna be okay buddy!

[d2o 1602]

2 minutes ago, Loch Ness Monster said:

Who is this guy having a meltdown about not watching the NBA Finals? It's gonna be okay buddy!

Right but I'm the one whining.   Typical Derka

[Underdog 28437]

Boy, how about that Olympic team, huh?  

[Kermit 3128]

I’m just here for the Phoenix meltdown and eventual choke job. 

[BigOrange1 6416]

i didn't post during the game last night (or any of the 3 games thus far) but i've watched all of them.  

[Catdaddyhorn 3444]

9 hours ago, ztejas said:

Y'all are so full of shit. Ratings are awful. Again. Slightly better than last year which was horrible. It isn't just casual viewers not tuning in. Bucks/Nets G7 was the Eastern Conference semis, not on network, and almost as many people watched as are watching the Finals. There was nothing captivating about last night's game past the 2nd quarter. 

The finals being in July as opposed to June probably isn't really helping those ratings.  

[ztejas 43244]

9 hours ago, d2o said:

Then don't watch.   I've said it over and over.   I don't care what ratings say who is watching and who isn't.   If you cannot get into the reasons 406W30th noted then IMO you're a casual.   You need bigger names and other storylines, cool.  Do you.   I don't get why some of yall feel the need to roll in and tell people how much you're not watching.

I just don't want to hear you whining about how small markets cant complete or how "superteams" are killing the league from you.

Then shut the fuck up and quit bitching about people not watching. You are such a contrarian cunt on every NBA thread it's unbelievable. 

8 hours ago, Pam Cummings said:

Yeah a guy who is putting his team on his back despite having hyperextended his knee a week ago isn't compelling at all.

 

Derka you literally said you didn't watch the games. And then you're in the thread that is meant for discussions about the game, telling us why you didn't watch. That's great and all, but we don't care.

Maybe because that player has no business being in the Finals. He broke Kyrie's ankle and lucked out not getting sent home by Durant in the semis and then his team got to play an unproven Cinderella story in the ECF whose best player twisted his ankle 3 games in. I'm not giving Giannis credit for shit unless he wins it. The Bucks being there is one of the lamest runs in recent NBA history. 

[Pam Cummings 9553]

I'm sensing that certain people are just buttmad that their boyfriend KD didn't make it to the finals. It's OK dudes, his career isn't over yet. Also you can still root for PJ even though he got murdered.

Edited July 13, 2021 by Pam Cummings

[ztejas 43244]

5 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

I'm sensing that certain people are just buttmad that their boyfriend KD didn't make it to the finals. It's OK dudes, his career isn't over yet.

It's not just Durant although that of course explains to some degree my lack of interest.

The six best American players (at least) are not playing in the Finals right now. When is the last time that that happened? I'll save you some research and tell you confidently that never - that has never happened. 

[ztejas 43244]

Just now, ztejas said:

The six best American players (at least) are not playing in the Finals right now.

Let me reiterate this since some of you seem confused. 

LeBron, KD, Steph, Kawhi, Harden, AD. How many shoes do those 6 sell every year? Like 90% of them not including MJ? Throw in Kyrie and PG, too. Gonzo. All of them. It isn't hard to calculate... some of you are simply adamant that every NBA and basketball fan should watch every NBA Finals game every year no matter what. 

[shadow_operative 15931]

28 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

I'm sensing that certain people are just buttmad that their boyfriend KD didn't make it to the finals. It's OK dudes, his career isn't over yet. Also you can still root for PJ even though he got murdered.

the only butthurt people in this thread are the ones crying about the people who aren't enthralled with this year's finals. 

[shadow_operative 15931]

18 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Let me reiterate this since some of you seem confused. 

LeBron, KD, Steph, Kawhi, Harden, AD. How many shoes do those 6 sell every year? Like 90% of them not including MJ? Throw in Kyrie and PG, too. Gonzo. All of them. It isn't hard to calculate... some of you are simply adamant that every NBA and basketball fan should watch every NBA Finals game every year no matter what. 

not just watch it, but be enthralled and enamored by it. ugly games? non-competitive? lack of best teams and players? doesn't matter. either be thrilled with it or don't post at all. fucking katy agnor bullshit.

[ztejas 43244]

3 minutes ago, shadow_operative said:

not just watch it, but be enthralled and enamored by it. ugly games? non-competitive? lack of best teams and players? doesn't matter. either be thrilled with it or don't post at all. fucking katy agnor bullshit.

Add Dame to that list for top 7. Next up are Kyrie, Tatum and Young.

(0 for 4 - if you're counting at home)

Holy shit I don't think there's a top 10 American player in the NBA Finals. Please think about that before me and Derka are "casuals". 

Edited July 13, 2021 by ztejas