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I think it would be helpful overall if whoever was going to be involved subjected their ventures to international oversight to ensure transparency.

Do you know a really good, standardized, time-tested way to do that?  List on the New York Stock Exchange.  Equinor's model is 2/3 owned by the people of Norway.  The other 1/3 is the public float.  PetroBras is similar.

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Listen, @bad_teammate, this is a complicated situation and I actually do see the logic in both sides of the end result positions. But that's a lot more complicated topic I don't have time for right no

Johnny Sack
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In this thread surly libs blame the US for the failures of socialism.  

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bad_teammate

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8 minutes ago, ryskey said:

Noble, but not realistic.  Where is the capital to maintain, much less grow PdVSA oil revenues, going to come from?  The IMF?  Who is going to oversee and efficiently deploy that capital?  Rump ex-Chavez/Maduro PdVSA?  Not going to happen without new leadership and a massive influx of talent, most of which currently resides in the United States.  Not in a million years is that a credit-worthy investment, not even under the most dove-ish IMF/World Bank leadership. 

Cooperative partnerships with international oil firms who work with PdVSA without wresting ultimate control.

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On 3/4/2019 at 7:28 PM, Iconoclast Texan said:

Really good article describing Venezuela’s military and what needs to be done to neutralize it in order for President Guaidó to assume control of the country.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/04/opinion/venezuela-military-maduro-guaido.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

Oh hey look:

"Mr. Maduro has the heart of only one institution: the military. This was evidenced on Feb. 23, when he used brute military force to successfully block the entry of humanitarian aid, killing civilians, and in Nero-like fashion, set some delivery trucks on fire, while he danced salsa on national television."

But bad_teammate told me it was Guaido's supporters!

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1 minute ago, Rimbo said:

Oh hey look:

"Mr. Maduro has the heart of only one institution: the military. This was evidenced on Feb. 23, when he used brute military force to successfully block the entry of humanitarian aid, killing civilians, and in Nero-like fashion, set some delivery trucks on fire, while he danced salsa on national television."

But bad_teammate told me it was Guaido's supporters!

The Venezuelan government blocked its entry and then Guaido supporters set it on fire with molotov cocktails, as you can see in the video.

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The New York Times finally noticed.

Footage Contradicts U.S. Claim That Maduro Burned Aid Convoy

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The narrative seemed to fit Venezuela’s authoritarian rule: Security forces, on the order of President Nicolás Maduro, had torched a convoy of humanitarian aid as millions in his country were suffering from illness and hunger.

Vice President Mike Pence wrote that “the tyrant in Caracas danced”as his henchmen “burned food & medicine.” The State Department released a video saying Mr. Maduro had ordered the trucks burned. And Venezuela’s opposition held up the images of the burning aid, reproduced on dozens of news sites and television screens throughout Latin America, as evidence of Mr. Maduro’s cruelty.

But there is a problem: The opposition itself, not Mr. Maduro’s men, appears to have set the cargo alight accidentally.

Unpublished footage obtained by The New York Times and previously released tapes — including footage released by the Colombian government, which has blamed Mr. Maduro for the fire — allowed for a reconstruction of the incident. It suggests that a Molotov cocktail thrown by an antigovernment protester was the most likely trigger for the blaze.

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Crazy 'Ole B_T strikes again!

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On 3/7/2019 at 4:27 PM, Rimbo said:

Oh hey look:

"Mr. Maduro has the heart of only one institution: the military. This was evidenced on Feb. 23, when he used brute military force to successfully block the entry of humanitarian aid, killing civilians, and in Nero-like fashion, set some delivery trucks on fire, while he danced salsa on national television."

But bad_teammate told me it was Guaido's supporters!

It would appear that the NYT is now reporting on the video that appears to suggest it was one of Guaido's supporters, but on accident. Also, these were medical supplies such as surgical masks and gloves, not medicines. The article is otherwise rejecting Maduro.

11 hours ago, David Dennison said:

No, but it is going well in other places, including the United States.

Nice try, though.

Let's be blunt here: Every country in the world runs on some mix of capitalism vs socialism, authoritarianism vs libertarianism. And generally they are more similar than different. The extremes of all of these are nightmare dystopias. Venezuela fucking up by going too far to the socialist extreme does not validate going too far to the other extreme.

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4 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

It would appear that the NYT is now reporting on the video that appears to suggest it was one of Guaido's supporters, but on accident.

Yes, like I've been saying for weeks.

Blaming it on Maduro's forces was no accident. That was a purposeful attempt to foment a civil war which would kill tens of thousands or people or more in order to advance US private business interests.

Now we've got probable sabotage of Venezuela's electrical grid, at worst indirectly, and, at the most generous purposefully exacerbated by the brutal and murderous economic sanctions impeding not only the purchase of food and medicine, but infrastructure maintenance (like backup power generation).

And it's not even working.

The military isn't defecting.

The people aren't rising up against Maduro.

We are making women and children suffer FOR NO REASON.

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Apparently, there is now a correction to the correction:

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NEW YORK—Explaining that new information contradicting earlier reporting had come to light, The New York Times corrected a previous story Monday by admitting that they actually burned a recently destroyed Venezuela aid convoy. “After further review, those responsible for lighting Molotov cocktails and destroying several trucks carrying medical supplies are clearly our reporters,” said the paper’s executive editor, Dean Baquet, apologizing for attributing the Feb. 23 attack to supporters of the Nicolas Maduro government instead of its own writers and photographers. “This reflects a larger problem in the media of rushing to make the facts fit a convenient narrative instead of ensuring that their reporting accurately reflects their own role in creating it. We have amended the article to show that new pictures depict multiple Times employees throwing homemade bombs in the direction of the trucks and ultimately causing the destruction. The Times regrets the error and also destroying that humanitarian aid.” The Times additionally addressed the erroneous reporting with an editorial harshly criticizing the other reporters on the scene in Venezuela for doing nothing to stop them.


 

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CARACAS (Reuters) - Two Russian air force planes landed at Venezuela’s main airport on Saturday carrying a Russian defense official and nearly 100 troops, according to media reports, amid strengthening ties between Caracas and Moscow.

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics/russian-air-force-planes-land-in-venezuela-carrying-troops-report-idUSKCN1R50NB

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1 minute ago, InkaUtexas said:

CARACAS (Reuters) - Two Russian air force planes landed at Venezuela’s main airport on Saturday carrying a Russian defense official and nearly 100 troops, according to media reports, amid strengthening ties between Caracas and Moscow.

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics/russian-air-force-planes-land-in-venezuela-carrying-troops-report-idUSKCN1R50NB

Is this related to the Mueller report?

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On 3/24/2019 at 5:18 PM, InkaUtexas said:

CARACAS (Reuters) - Two Russian air force planes landed at Venezuela’s main airport on Saturday carrying a Russian defense official and nearly 100 troops, according to media reports, amid strengthening ties between Caracas and Moscow.

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics/russian-air-force-planes-land-in-venezuela-carrying-troops-report-idUSKCN1R50NB

They should bring WMDs.  

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Is Guaido's side really a "side"? Is there a mass popular movement of Venezuelans who were saying this guy should be president before he invited the deadly attention of the world's largest empire?

Where thousands of Venezuelans marching in support outside of Guaido's office that fateful night he called our extremely-straight Vice President?

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17 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

Why hasn't Guaido been locked up yet?  Looking forward to more tears from lil Marco and co when that happens.

He's got no popular mandate, shaky-at-best legal footing, and the military power of the blood-soaked and genocidal West on his side.

Can't lose.

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Yes and this was reported yesterday:

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Erik Prince - the founder of the controversial private security firm Blackwater and a prominent supporter of U.S. President Donald Trump - has been pushing a plan to deploy a private army to help topple Venezuela’s socialist president, Nicholas Maduro, four sources with knowledge of the effort told Reuters.

Should end well.

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