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Huckleberry
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Listen, @bad_teammate, this is a complicated situation and I actually do see the logic in both sides of the end result positions. But that's a lot more complicated topic I don't have time for right no

Johnny Sack
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In this thread surly libs blame the US for the failures of socialism.  

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GHOSTUSER

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6 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

It’s hard to be coherent when you’re hopped up on meth and have a dick in your ass.

Or so I’m told.

Why don’t you shut your disgusting whore mouth. Don’t talk about me bitch. You probably think in your head that you’re like the Marvelous Mrs. Maisel and just so witty and raunchy. The difference is you’re not pretty or funny like her and no one gives a shit about what you have to say. The truth is you are a single mom in bumfuck Alabama who posts on a college football team messageboard of a team that is not your own. You have nothing to add when it comes to Venezuela since you have no background in history or current events of what’s happened. Johnny Sack described you perfectly.

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5 hours ago, workswithseed said:

I guess I should ask, where did this come from?

I was sick 8 years ago and went to rehab and had private info revealed against my will. I have been clean and sober for years and have been living a great life. You have a fat, ugly troll with a disgusting mouth attack me without provocation. The same woman who posted a real picture of herself here. What she is doing to me is as ugly and wrong as if someone posted compromising pictures of her here whenever they disagreed with her takes. She is trying to shame me and if the shoe was on the other foot like I described no one here would rightfully stand for it.

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51 minutes ago, Iconoclast Texan said:

I was sick 8 years ago and went to rehab and had private info revealed against my will. I have been clean and sober for years and have been living a great life. You have a fat, ugly troll with a disgusting mouth attack me without provocation. The same woman who posted a real picture of herself here. What she is doing to me is as ugly and wrong as if someone posted compromising pictures of her here whenever they disagreed with her takes. She is trying to shame me and if the shoe was on the other foot like I described no one here would rightfully stand for it.

Pretty sure that was not her in that pic. She just wants the attention.

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14 hours ago, Fozzz said:

Maybe the US should try to destroy Bolivia next then?  Macron has an approval rating in the 20%s as well.  Maybe it's time for regime change there as well.

We may first need to stop “propping up” Bolivia first and block them from obtaining external financing so we can starve their children for a bit, something you would love. 

Why the fuck are you so obsessed with the external financing bit.  Sooner or later you’ll realize that very few banks in the US were lending money to Venezuela anymore because they were never being paid.  The US sanctions just made it official. Who the fuck wants to lend money to someone who will never pay it back 

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Some real heavy-hitters getting behind installing a never-elected-illegitimate president to replace a once-legitimate-now-illegitimate president.

Here's how this goes every time.

Step 1: Install unelected, "business friendly" leader using international power to force an internal coup
Step 2: "Open the country for investment" (which allows international finance to rob the country blind)
Step 3: Hold sham elections (which are, uh, better than the old sham elections somehow)

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9 hours ago, Iconoclast Texan said:

I was sick 8 years ago and went to rehab and had private info revealed against my will. I have been clean and sober for years and have been living a great life. You have a fat, ugly troll with a disgusting mouth attack me without provocation. The same woman who posted a real picture of herself here. What she is doing to me is as ugly and wrong as if someone posted compromising pictures of her here whenever they disagreed with her takes. She is trying to shame me and if the shoe was on the other foot like I described no one here would rightfully stand for it.

I bet she wants people with non violent drug sentences to have rehibiltated and to have an easy life. So she is undermining that just cause she don't like you, seems assholish.

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4 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

Imagine getting in bed with a fucking monster like Elliott Abrams. Shame on supposed liberals who support this bullshit. 

it's just amazing how obvious it all is

This guy pled felonies down to misdemeanors in Iran-Contra, and here he is now.

But... uh... HOW DARE YOU SOCIALISTS NOT SUPPORT THIS!

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2 hours ago, David Dennison said:

The American government always pays it back.

Ladies and gentlemen, we have a 3 Pinocchio post!

Well done man!!!

What really rounds this out is that I think you truly believe this.

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This is about knocking the oil out from under Cuba.

The worst thing about fighting in a basement, is, you're fighting in a basement. The worst thing about doing politics in South America, is, you're doing politics in South America. It's been grabby-grab self-inflicted anemia for 500 years, but maybe this year is different.

That said, it'd be cool to see what the shrapnel effect of cheap fake medals would be, should anyone gather the Venezuelan "military" leaders into one room and then give them some good old Clan Campbell hospitality. They offend me by their fake army-ness, imagine if Aggy had more medals and a license to kill.

400 Wagner Group mercenaries would probably suffice to take over Venezuela and half of a neighboring country. Hopefully they are mainly there to extract Russian oligarchs and their boom-boom fake-titty mistresses, and guard however many Russian jets lack spare parts. You'd think after Deir-ez-Zour they'd know not to attack Americans and get turned into dog meat, but they're Russians, so who knows what they'll do. I could see a "I-dare-you-to-stop-us" grab at an embassy, or more likely, stir up a crowd of locals to march on the gates, skinny little fists a-pumping.

What will happen is sometime after a year, Putin will take a poke at Latvia or some other place withing walking distance of Russia, trying some regime change using the exact same language as we did in Venezuela, so as to paralyze the Krauts and all those who over-think like Krauts.

Restore the Treaty of Tordesillas, give it (and us) back to Spain. If they thought the US fucked with South America before, just wait until we're all part of the same Empire.

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Regarding the "400 Wagner Group mercenaries:"

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/25/venezuela-maduro-russia-private-security-contractors

Russian private security contractors have travelled to Venezuela to provide security to the embattled president Nicolás Maduro, the Reuters news agency has reported.

Citing three sources, the news agency said that the mercenaries are linked to the Wagner group, which has carried out missions in Ukraine and Syria and is now reportedly active in countries in Africa, too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group

The Wagner Group (Russian: Группа Вагнера, tr. Grupa Vagnera), also known as PMC Wagner, ChVK Wagner, or CHVK Vagner (Russian: ЧВК Вагнера, tr. ChVK Vagner, Russian: Частная Военная Компания Вагнера), is a Russian paramilitary organisation. Some have described it as a private military company (or a private military contracting agency), whose contractors have reportedly taken part in various conflicts, including operations in the Syrian Civil War on the side of the Syrian government as well as, from 2014 until 2015, in the War in Donbass in Ukraine aiding the separatist forces of the self-declared Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics. Others are of the opinion that ChVK Wagner is really a unit of the Russian Ministry of Defence in disguise, which is used by the Russian government in conflicts where deniability is called for.

 

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37 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

It doesn't matter why. At all. 

That's what I thought you'd say.

Your words put in another way, "It doesn't matter where the money comes from, just that they have it to ring the bonholders' bell when struck."  Lulz

You are good comedy.

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I don't pretend that.

You don't pretend that the government above board here.  It's not, irrespective of who I vote for and irrespective of what letter in front of the name holds the day.

I agree it pays back what it borrows.  It doesn't pay back what it takes is the point and those two things are unarguably connected.

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Shit liberals love.

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The first UN rapporteur to visit Venezuela for 21 years has told The Independent the US sanctions on the country are illegal and could amount to “crimes against humanity” under international law.

Former special rapporteur Alfred de Zayas, who finished his term at the UN in March, has criticized the US for engaging in “economic warfare” against Venezuela which he said is hurting the economy and killing Venezuelans.

In the report, Mr de Zayas recommended, among other actions, that the International Criminal Court investigate economic sanctions against Venezuela as possible crimes against humanity under Article 7 of the Rome Statute.

The US sanctions are illegal under international law because they were not endorsed by the UN Security Council, Mr de Zayas, an expert on international law and a former senior lawyer with the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, said.

“Modern-day economic sanctions and blockades are comparable with medieval sieges of towns.

“Twenty-first century sanctions attempt to bring not just a town, but sovereign countries to their knees,” Mr de Zayas said in his report.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/venezuela-us-sanctions-united-nations-oil-pdvsa-a8748201.html

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34 minutes ago, SmokeyTheBear said:

Why do we liberals love that? 

Because Alfred de Zayas sounds furrin and probably likes soccer and tiny little scooters and drinking aperitifs and digestifs and sneaking a little Disaronno Originale into his tiny espressi until he's found drooling at his desk with "BBC Wuld Suhvice" prattling in the background so then he half-wakes up, staggers to his scooter, takes a swig of Ricard from the bottle stashed under the seat, and putts off to his boyfriend Ernst's performance exhibit of German Men Silently Weeping, where, desiring attention and belching liqueur, he provokes a furious row and then storms out, next seen two ancient Italian cities over,  kicking a gypsy who accused him of harboring Futurist Crypto-Ezra-Poundian views, outside a soccer stadium.

 

I mean, that's what I got from it.

 

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42 minutes ago, SmokeyTheBear said:

Why do we liberals love that? 

Because if you combine the words "freedom" and "capitalism", the liberal heart swells with pride. Liberals love economic sanctions. They don't like open war, but they also don't like not intervening, so economic sanctions satisfy them.

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“The first UN rapporteur to visit Venezuela for 21 years has told The Independent the US sanctions on the country are illegal and could amount to “crimes against humanity” under international law.”

Then for once in their fucking existence, prosecute all offenders with wanton disregard for any and all backlash from any affected permanent member state.

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4 minutes ago, hpslugga said:

“The first UN rapporteur to visit Venezuela for 21 years has told The Independent the US sanctions on the country are illegal and could amount to “crimes against humanity” under international law.”

Then for once in their fucking existence, prosecute all offenders with wanton disregard for any and all backlash from any affected permanent member state.

lollololololol

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On 1/25/2019 at 11:55 PM, F250 said:

Military adventurism is not the definition of Neoconservatism and interventionism.

Earlier this week Icono celebrates Trump for being a noninterventionist and ridding the the GOP of neocons. Today the Trump administration appoints Elliot Abrams as the special envoy for Venezuelan affairs and Icono celebrates.

That don't make no sense.

Sure it does, so long as you understand that Icono has no actual values.

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Thank God the US never joined the ICC. An institution looking for crimes to prosecute would have a field day with trying to pin stuff against us. They would nail the US and Israel to the cross. Targeted assassinations are much more humane than sanctions. The US should have never removed that from our foreign policy toolkit. It would come handy with Maduro.

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Sanctions announced against oil sector. 

01/28/2019 03:29 PM EST

 
Press Statement
Michael R. Pompeo 
Secretary of State
Washington, DC
January 28, 2019
 

 

Today, the United States has taken necessary actions to prevent the illegitimate former Maduro regime from further plundering Venezuela’s assets and natural resources.

The United States has determined that persons operating in Venezuela’s oil sector may now be subject to sanctions pursuant to Executive Order (E.O.) 13850 signed by President Trump on November 1, 2018. Petroleos de Venezuela, S.A. (PDVSA) has been designated for operating within this sector.

Maduro and his cronies have used state-owned PDVSA to control, manipulate, and steal from the Venezuelan people for too long, destroying it in the process.

Today’s action will prevent Maduro and other corrupt actors from further enriching themselves at the expense of the long-suffering Venezuelan people. It will also preserve the core pillar of Venezuela’s national assets for the people and a democratically elected government.

These new sanctions do not target the innocent people of Venezuela and will not prohibit humanitarian assistance including the provision of medicine and medical devices, which are desperately needed after years of economic destruction under Maduro’s rule. The Department of the Treasury is issuing a series of general licenses to support U.S. companies, interests, and allies.

The United States will continue to take concrete and forceful action against those who oppose the peaceful restoration of democracy in Venezuela, and serve their own interests rather than those of the Venezuelan people.

The United States stands with interim President Juan Guaido, the democratically elected National Assembly, and the people of Venezuela as they peacefully restore constitutional order to their country.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Biff Tannen said:

If you had asked me in 2017 who would be the first country the dotard would start a new war with, Venezuela would have been pretty far down the list.

He’s been floating military intervention in Venezuela for a while.

August 2017

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/11/donald-trump-threatens-venezuelas-nicolas-maduro-military-option/

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