Critical Race Theory policy in hiring at UT

[tchookem 3900]

LuLz 
 

Great news! Now the aggies can get Ben Shapiro for the journalism department AND Steven Miller to be president!

[Nivek 16923]

Andy Ngo will teach a course on how to be a victim and introduction to grifting.

[Pancho 44757]

aggy saying she was a “bad leader” is all you need to know. They seriously want A&M to be like that radical conservative college in Florida. 
 

It’s time to start informing their Black athletes and recruits. I’ll be Lane and Deion would help with this.

[Player 4575]

Rick Perry is available and ready to step in and keep collie station normal.

Propaganda Journalism department head should be Herr Zwerneman or Herr Bock.

[tx 3 putt 76905]

1 hour ago, Pancho said:

aggy saying she was a “bad leader” is all you need to know. They seriously want A&M to be like that radical conservative college in Florida. 
 

It’s time to start informing their Black athletes and recruits. I’ll be Lane and Deion would help with this.

Texags wants to go full blown nazi youth academy 

[tx 3 putt 76905]

1 hour ago, Player said:

Rick Perry is available and ready to step in and keep collie station normal.

Propaganda Journalism department head should be Herr Zwerneman or Herr Bock.

All joking aside, no brainer quick fix 

[Celery Man 20934]

4 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

Texags wants to go full blown nazi youth academy 

if you blow the nazi youths they won't shout loud enough to affect the outcome of the game

[Js1 85310]

I just cannot wait to be in the same conference again as these yokels. Might as well just burn our diplomas for warmth during the next freeze 

[Satchel 6938]

6 hours ago, tchookem said:

6 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

LuLz 
 

Great news! Now the aggies can get Ben Shapiro for the journalism department AND Steven Miller to be president!

Is Kyle Rittenhouse not available?

[tchookem 3900]

Is Kyle Rittenhouse not available?

Wasn't he going to be a nurse?

[Satchel 6938]

1 minute ago, tchookem said:

32 minutes ago, Satchel said:

Is Kyle Rittenhouse not available?

Wasn't he going to be a nurse?

He’s nothing if not a helper.

[safe sex 11709]

1 hour ago, tchookem said:

1 hour ago, Satchel said:

Is Kyle Rittenhouse not available?

Wasn't he going to be a nurse?

Don't even put that into the universe tyvm

[HenryJames 66041]

 

[Js1 85310]

None of that surprises me.

Snowflake junior member of the Federalist Society narcs to her mom, who rushes to call her buddy Dan Patrick, who immediately issues mafioso threat to John Sharp.  John Sharp immediately complies, lest Abbott forces the regents he picked to replace him. 

[jimmyjazz 45898]

I can't tell if she's tenured.  Probably wouldn't matter.

[C-Man 27214]

I just cannot wait to be in the same conference again as these yokels. Might as well just burn our diplomas for warmth during the next freeze 

Our current Big 12 compadres ain’t the most liberal/enlightened universities in the land either.

[berlinerbaer 678]

Coulda joined the Pac when y'all had the chance

[HenryJames 66041]

https://salemcenter.org/people/richard-hanania/

[wildcat09 29349]

My favorite part:

 

[tx 3 putt 76905]

Fuck that douche 

[Gil Bang 25944]

SIAP

 

https://twitter.com/JimVertuno/status/1687533886668996614

[Nice Guy Eddie 13510]

55 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

https://salemcenter.org/people/richard-hanania/

Their analysis to follow his different online personas is impressive. Just imagine what they were unable to uncover based on their limited knowledge of his personal, school and work email accounts. Need to sic these reporters on a few surly posters. Might uncover that the DT political threads are just 3 people talking to each other with dozens of accounts.

[Pancho 44757]

Not only are they admitting CRT is really nothing and their goal was to make it something (and they succeeded) but they are showing us the playbook going forward. Will media and the Dems just sit around and hope Americans won’t fall for it or will they be active (and proactive) in dismantling this indoctrination?

 

 

[washparkhorn 9939]

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/01/20/us/dei-woke-claremont-institute.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Pk0.oTZY.mFk7JBZgsv70&smid=url-share

Gifted (no-paywall) article on how the grifters grifted dumb conservatives with anti-woke scaremongering:

“Bans on CRT and its associated ideologies are a lot of smoke for the bubbas”  - Scott Yenor, Claremont Instutute

[HenryJames 66041]

[tx 3 putt 76905]

 

 

[Brisketexan 105095]

So, was trying to find an appropriate thread for this post, which is about an observation on the plain and obvious lasting nature of institutional racism, and how it places minorities behind the curve for generations.

I was recently at an event honoring some of the great black lawyers in Central Texas.  It's not the first one I've been to, but as I read the bios of these folks -- truly outstanding lawyers, all of them, people who went to top-notch schools (mostly in the north, by the way), had notable achievements academically, etc. -- it clicked that most of them that I've read over those years involve long terms of working as a government lawyer.  Not all of them, but almost all, started their careers as government attorneys.  

Those jobs are fine jobs, and a much needed and appreciated public service.  But make no mistake, if a student graduates today from Michigan, or Stanford, etc., with honors, they have a clear path to a job with a high-end law firm that pays 5X what an entry level gov't attorney job pays.  But back when these folks were graduating law school - the 70s-80s - that was not the case.

So, until up to about 30 years ago (and let's be plain and clear, the way isn't entirely clear even today), that top-notch black law student had a much harder time even getting in the door of Fancy Law Firm LLP.  And even if he/she did, remember that the lawyers at Fancy Law Firm LLP all went to the same schools together, their parents went to the same schools, and a good chunk of them were hired because 1) yes, they did well in law school, but also 2) their dad was friends/business associate with the hiring partner, who vouched for them and walked them right into their job.  The black law students?  Their dad did NOT go to school with or associate with the hiring partner, because that simply did not happen back in the day.

A generic high achieving white student, with no connections, was already more likely to get an interview and be hired than an identical black student.  Then layer on the fact that many of those white students ALSO had generational family connections that could give them a leg up in the job application process...a leg up that few black students had.  Now, take that out another generation.  The parents of today's black students are STILL underrepresented in the ranks the Fancy Law Firm LLP type places, as well as the people who network with and are connected to the attorneys there.  So a black student even today likely has fewer connections and advantages to help him get that job at Fancy Law Firm LLP.

So, why are DELIBERATE efforts to recruit diverse candidates important?  Because the long-term effects of systemic, institutionalized racism STILL skew the playing field, and make it more likely that white candidate X can get a particular job than black candidate Y.   In order to try to level that field, we need to DELIBERATELY LOOK FOR AND TO minority candidates.  No, not without making sure that they are qualified.  But to make sure that they aren't missed.  The Hiring Partner at Fancy Law Firm LLP gets 20 resumes sent to him by old connections, pushing their kid, or their nephew, or whatnot.  What would be helpful is if Hiring Partner ALSO had a policy/incentive/something like that to affirmatively gather 20 resumes from minority students who do NOT have connections to Fancy Law Firm LLP.  Then, you interview and hire appropriately, and honestly.  Because honestly....some of those nepotism resumes may have a nice academic ring to them, but the candidate is a dim bulb or dud.  And some of those minority resumes are going to belong to some impressive SOBs who you never would have met if you hadn't sought them out.

That dynamic is what DEI and such is all about.  And is it needed?  I'd say the resumes of impressive minority lawyer after impressive minority lawyer reflecting long tenures in government jobs says "yes, it is still needed."  Legacies, connections, and nepotism matter.  A lot.  DEI is necessary to even come close to creating equal opportunity in light of the unequal distribution of those advantages.

[Satchel 6938]

I think you’re gonna see a response from the communities most affected by this. College sports fans in Texas won’t like it either:

As doors close and funding fades, students worry UT-Austin is taking Texas’ new DEI ban too far

https://www.texastribune.org/2024/02/26/university-texas-austin-dei-ban-students/

 

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

I saw Mayor Woodfin's (of Birmingham) comments regarding Alabama and I don't know the logistics of his idea but I support it.

[Satchel 6938]

15 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

I saw Mayor Woodfin's (of Birmingham) comments regarding Alabama and I don't know the logistics of his idea but I support it.

I think you’re gonna see more of that closer to home.

[Catdaddyhorn 3444]

21 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

So, was trying to find an appropriate thread for this post, which is about an observation on the plain and obvious lasting nature of institutional racism, and how it places minorities behind the curve for generations.

I was recently at an event honoring some of the great black lawyers in Central Texas.  It's not the first one I've been to, but as I read the bios of these folks -- truly outstanding lawyers, all of them, people who went to top-notch schools (mostly in the north, by the way), had notable achievements academically, etc. -- it clicked that most of them that I've read over those years involve long terms of working as a government lawyer.  Not all of them, but almost all, started their careers as government attorneys.  

Those jobs are fine jobs, and a much needed and appreciated public service.  But make no mistake, if a student graduates today from Michigan, or Stanford, etc., with honors, they have a clear path to a job with a high-end law firm that pays 5X what an entry level gov't attorney job pays.  But back when these folks were graduating law school - the 70s-80s - that was not the case.

So, until up to about 30 years ago (and let's be plain and clear, the way isn't entirely clear even today), that top-notch black law student had a much harder time even getting in the door of Fancy Law Firm LLP.  And even if he/she did, remember that the lawyers at Fancy Law Firm LLP all went to the same schools together, their parents went to the same schools, and a good chunk of them were hired because 1) yes, they did well in law school, but also 2) their dad was friends/business associate with the hiring partner, who vouched for them and walked them right into their job.  The black law students?  Their dad did NOT go to school with or associate with the hiring partner, because that simply did not happen back in the day.

A generic high achieving white student, with no connections, was already more likely to get an interview and be hired than an identical black student.  Then layer on the fact that many of those white students ALSO had generational family connections that could give them a leg up in the job application process...a leg up that few black students had.  Now, take that out another generation.  The parents of today's black students are STILL underrepresented in the ranks the Fancy Law Firm LLP type places, as well as the people who network with and are connected to the attorneys there.  So a black student even today likely has fewer connections and advantages to help him get that job at Fancy Law Firm LLP.

So, why are DELIBERATE efforts to recruit diverse candidates important?  Because the long-term effects of systemic, institutionalized racism STILL skew the playing field, and make it more likely that white candidate X can get a particular job than black candidate Y.   In order to try to level that field, we need to DELIBERATELY LOOK FOR AND TO minority candidates.  No, not without making sure that they are qualified.  But to make sure that they aren't missed.  The Hiring Partner at Fancy Law Firm LLP gets 20 resumes sent to him by old connections, pushing their kid, or their nephew, or whatnot.  What would be helpful is if Hiring Partner ALSO had a policy/incentive/something like that to affirmatively gather 20 resumes from minority students who do NOT have connections to Fancy Law Firm LLP.  Then, you interview and hire appropriately, and honestly.  Because honestly....some of those nepotism resumes may have a nice academic ring to them, but the candidate is a dim bulb or dud.  And some of those minority resumes are going to belong to some impressive SOBs who you never would have met if you hadn't sought them out.

That dynamic is what DEI and such is all about.  And is it needed?  I'd say the resumes of impressive minority lawyer after impressive minority lawyer reflecting long tenures in government jobs says "yes, it is still needed."  Legacies, connections, and nepotism matter.  A lot.  DEI is necessary to even come close to creating equal opportunity in light of the unequal distribution of those advantages.

Go read any bio on Clarence Thomas and you see this exact thread play out. Of course his experiences turned him into a troll, but much of what you noted here, and the resulting bitterness fomented his ideology.

[softlynow 1814]

1 hour ago, BeardIP said:

Who here remembers that multi-cultural (black) room when you enter Jester East on the south side, I believe it was, next to the cafeteria?

In the late 90's we weren't as progressive as we are now and I remember feeling like that was weird, but they seemed to like it. I had a black friend from h.s. who hung out in there all day it seemed, and we grew apart as he grew closer to others in that multi-cultural space, so I guess it worked out well for him. 

I am assuming that those sort of enclaves are shuttered with the new anti-DEI legislation?

You're supposed to brag about having a black friend, not having had one. Bragging that you used to be less racist is a weird flex.

[Fudge Nuggets 19190]

20 hours ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

I saw Mayor Woodfin's (of Birmingham) comments regarding Alabama and I don't know the logistics of his idea but I support it.

The only way to get the attention of the rubes is to start fucking with football. 

[Captainant 27653]

6 minutes ago, softlynow said:

You're supposed to brag about having a black friend, not having had one. Bragging that you used to be less racist is a weird flex.

Surly'd

[YChang 3443]

Just now, BeardIP said:

Including you, aggie08 and panchochatbot, I have like 39 active black friends. Some are inactive I'm trying to win back. I keep a spreadsheet and am trying to grow my active user base.

What's your incentive structure? Are you valuing growth versus substance? 

[Brisketexan 105095]

What's your incentive structure? Are you valuing growth versus substance? 

Coupons for a discount on gray slacks should do it.

[gsoda3 3254]

28 minutes ago, softlynow said:

You're supposed to brag about having a black friend, not having had one. Bragging that you used to be less racist is a weird flex.

fewer

[softlynow 1814]

Just now, gsoda3 said:

fewer

There was one?

[Satchel 6938]

Since the first black student was admitted to UT in 1956, black enrollment has exploded to 4.3% 68 years later. It’s as bad at other P5 publics in Texas,, which btw is home to the largest number of black people in the country.

[aggie08 21496]

7 minutes ago, BeardIP said:

Including you, aggie08 and panchochatbot, I have like 39 active black friends. Some are inactive I'm trying to win back. I keep a spreadsheet and am trying to grow my active user base.

I was unaware that I'm black. Cool. My wife will be pleased to know.

[Skipper 6133]

22 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

   In order to try to level that field, we need to DELIBERATELY LOOK FOR AND TO minority candidates.  No, not without making sure that they are qualified.  But to make sure that they aren't missed. 

I don't disagree with a lot of what you wrote.  But as it relates to large law firms specifically which is generally the context of your post, I'm pretty confident "qualified" (i.e., minority students that meet a class % cutoff (without considering any DEI goals ) are not being missed).  I'm pretty sure a non-asian minority student in the top 10% of their class at a decent law school can write their own ticket and name their preferred employer.  That almost certainly wasn't the case 30 years ago when the individuals being celebrated per your post were going through the hiring process but it is now.  I have a lot of hot takes about the law firm hiring process and its massive flaws because I don't think there is strong correlation between law school ranking, class rank, race and/or gender that results in someone being a successful big firm attorney.  What you need are smarter than average pure grinders without egos and those candidates exist across all backgrounds.  For example, I'm pretty sure I've yet to see an ivy league law grad, that has come across our practice at least, that was a great hire.

[nbmishoid 949]

19 minutes ago, Satchel said:

Since the first black student was admitted to UT in 1956, black enrollment has exploded to 4.3% 68 years later. It’s as bad at other P5 publics in Texas,, which btw is home to the largest number of black people in the country.

Well, face it.  UT has the rep as a white place, very white.   Black folks preferences nowadays seem to be much much less about assimilation and much more about a more relevant experience.   Thus HCBU’s, northern schools, etc.  

[nbmishoid 949]

11 minutes ago, BeardIP said:

It's the same in any publicly traded tech company that I've worked in, near, or around-- FAANG/Magnificent 7-- if you are an underrepresented minority and underrepresented gender (URM/URG in talent/recruitment speak), you have many a leg up on the average, state school honkey. 

Yes, even 10 years ago, before I retired, this was the case at my big oil co. One thing I was proud of.  The whole climate disaster, not so much.

[Satchel 6938]

26 minutes ago, nbmishoid said:

Well, face it.  UT has the rep as a white place, very white.   Black folks preferences nowadays seem to be much much less about assimilation and much more about a more relevant experience.   Thus HCBU’s, northern schools, etc.  

it is true that a black kid with a stellar academic record and board scores is  likely to choose Morehouse over UT. That has not always been the case.

[Brisketexan 105095]

1 hour ago, Skipper said:

I don't disagree with a lot of what you wrote.  But as it relates to large law firms specifically which is generally the context of your post, I'm pretty confident "qualified" (i.e., minority students that meet a class % cutoff (without considering any DEI goals ) are not being missed).  I'm pretty sure a non-asian minority student in the top 10% of their class at a decent law school can write their own ticket and name their preferred employer.  That almost certainly wasn't the case 30 years ago when the individuals being celebrated per your post were going through the hiring process but it is now.  I have a lot of hot takes about the law firm hiring process and its massive flaws because I don't think there is strong correlation between law school ranking, class rank, race and/or gender that results in someone being a successful big firm attorney.  What you need are smarter than average pure grinders without egos and those candidates exist across all backgrounds.  For example, I'm pretty sure I've yet to see an ivy league law grad, that has come across our practice at least, that was a great hire.

Good post.  And yes, there's a separate discussion there as to the difference between "Ivy leaguer with a fancy resume" and "local kid who thinks on his/her feet and busts ass."  Malcolm Gladwell would agree with you.  I know some mediocre Yale lawyers, and some damned fine Texas Tech lawyers.  I sure don't judge a lawyer I'll be facing based on where they went to school.

But all of that said, we don't hire from the Ivy league, and even then we have to be diligent and make an effort to seek out quality minority candidates who might be overlooked.  Yeah, a black lawyer in the top 10 at UT can write their ticket anywhere, in part BECAUSE they are a black lawyer in the top 10 at UT.  But the pool of minorities even going to law school is still below the population ratio, if for no other reason than minorities have a lower number of mentors in their community and family who went to law school.  We have been working with a program aimed at helping with that -- geared towards helping first-gen college students and such, mostly but not entirely minorities, get introduced to law school and the legal world.  But we won't be able to do so much longer, because that program got the axe because of Texas's new anti-DEI law.  Again.....all that program did was reach students who wouldn't otherwise have much exposure to the legal world, but we had to kill it.  Because we are stupid and mean.

[RDCanecutter 26411]

1 hour ago, aggie08 said:

I was unaware that I'm black. Cool. My wife will be pleased to know.

Not so fast. There's a training program.

 

[RDCanecutter 26411]

22 hours ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

I saw Mayor Woodfin's (of Birmingham) comments regarding Alabama and I don't know the logistics of his idea but I support it.

Woodfin's a badass. Before him it was rot all the way down, like using the back of a leper's neck for nacho dip. Woodfin came in like the humble hero of a Kung-Fu movie, with all the old interests circling around, gesticulating and attacking him one by one.

[nbmishoid 949]

16 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Good post.  And yes, there's a separate discussion there as to the difference between "Ivy leaguer with a fancy resume" and "local kid who thinks on his/her feet and busts ass."  Malcolm Gladwell would agree with you.  I know some mediocre Yale lawyers, and some damned fine Texas Tech lawyers.  I sure don't judge a lawyer I'll be facing based on where they went to school.

But all of that said, we don't hire from the Ivy league, and even then we have to be diligent and make an effort to seek out quality minority candidates who might be overlooked.  Yeah, a black lawyer in the top 10 at UT can write their ticket anywhere, in part BECAUSE they are a black lawyer in the top 10 at UT.  But the pool of minorities even going to law school is still below the population ratio, if for no other reason than minorities have a lower number of mentors in their community and family who went to law school.  We have been working with a program aimed at helping with that -- geared towards helping first-gen college students and such, mostly but not entirely minorities, get introduced to law school and the legal world.  But we won't be able to do so much longer, because that program got the axe because of Texas's new anti-DEI law.  Again.....all that program did was reach students who wouldn't otherwise have much exposure to the legal world, but we had to kill it.  Because we are stupid and mean.

The same with engineering, computer science, medicine etc.  Because of high bars these professionals are well paid but underrepresented via minorities, (broadly speaking).  The pipeline, as you refer, takes years and decades to develop.   Now it’s illegal.  What a world.

[Brisketexan 105095]

Just now, nbmishoid said:

The pipeline, as you refer, takes years and decades to develop.   Now it’s illegal.  What a world.

Yep.  Bottom line, it's just what you posted.  Centuries of white folks having a built in, structural leg-up.  An attempt is made to help minorities play catch-up....on something that took GENERATIONS to build....and we kill it dead because white people are fucking scared-ass snowflakes.

[aggie08 21496]

1 hour ago, RDCanecutter said:

Not so fast. There's a training program.

 

Does it come with the added bonus of no longer being welcome at my in-laws house for Christmas? If so, sign me the fuck up!