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13 minutes ago, Cement said:

Liberals: "Critical Race Theory is NOT being taught in K-12 schools."

Also liberals: "But don't even think about transparency; you'll have to trust us because we know what's best for your kid.  And don't forget to mask up your 5 year old."

And I love how they call parents "political organizations."  Shows you what they think of you.

 

 

You post your plans for your job online, do you?

 

Its the principal's job to review those lesson plans, not the parents.

 

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This isn't the first time controversial material has been at issue in schools.  To wit, sex education and evolution.  And I would argue that it is less controversial than those topics.

Yet, it is the first time that parents, motivated by politics and political organizations, have insisted on "transparency."

All because of the bullshit narrative that schools teach "liberalism." It's a lot like the "hate America" thing.

It is true that schools teach new ideas.  But there's nothing fundamentally wrong with that, even if you disagree with the new ideas.

Indoctrinate your children at home.  Leave the fucking schools alone.

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This isn't the first time controversial material has been at issue in schools.  To wit, sex education and evolution.  And I would argue that it is less controversial than those topics.
Yet, it is the first time that parents, motivated by politics and political organizations, have insisted on "transparency."
All because of the bullshit narrative that schools teach "liberalism." It's a lot like the "hate America" thing.
It is true that schools teach new ideas.  But there's nothing fundamentally wrong with that, even if you disagree with the new ideas.
Indoctrinate your children at home.  Leave the fucking schools alone.


The meme making its way in education circles is something along the lines of...

"If teachers had the power to brainwash your kids, they'd probably start with getting them to turn assignments in on time."
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11 hours ago, elfenix said:

haven't made my way all the way through this but food for thought

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/redlining/?utm_source=pocket-newtab

People just don't fully grasp how exhaustive and exceedingly ridiculous these redlining designations were. You'd have neighborhoods in Atlanta filled with black doctors, lawyers, businessmen, and professors marked red while areas around the steel and industrial cities of the midwest would get yellow and green designations based simply on the race of the residents as opposed to their actual likelihood to default on mortgages. Not to even mention how the federally backed banks like the Bank of Italy (now Bank of America) thrived under this system while black banks and businesses were completely handicapped in the market. And on top of that, federal and state governments would routinely bulldoze black neighborhoods for whatever "greater purpose" they thought would be better served. The dual process of creating centers of commerce all across America for white people while simultaneously destroying any chance of success for black people really did a number on the rest of America's perceptions of who black people are and what they are capable of. 

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10 minutes ago, Catdaddyhorn said:

People just don't fully grasp how exhaustive and exceedingly ridiculous these redlining designations were. You'd have neighborhoods in Atlanta filled with black doctors, lawyers, businessmen, and professors marked red while areas around the steel and industrial cities of the midwest would get yellow and green designations based simply on the race of the residents as opposed to their actual likelihood to default on mortgages. Not to even mention how the federally backed banks like the Bank of Italy (now Bank of America) thrived under this system while black banks and businesses were completely handicapped in the market. And on top of that, federal and state governments would routinely bulldoze black neighborhoods for whatever "greater purpose" they thought would be better served. The dual process of creating centers of commerce all across America for white people while simultaneously destroying any chance of success for black people really did a number on the rest of America's perceptions of who black people are and what they are capable of. 

but if people would just get a roommate and not get the latest phone each year they'd have generational wealth!

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10 hours ago, David Dennison said:

One of the most evident but underappreciated effects of American racism can be found in the generational wealth created by home ownership. When the boom began in the mid-20th century, the vast majority of African Americans were denied access to a market that would allow the white middle class to build wealth and pass it down to their children.

The median inheritance in America is like $15,000 for whites and $3,000 for blacks.  If you want to do reparations to make up for that delta.  Lets do it.  

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1 hour ago, Johnny Sack said:

The median inheritance in America is like $15,000 for whites and $3,000 for blacks.  If you want to do reparations to make up for that delta.  Lets do it.  

While we're at it let's enact policies designed to reduce racial disparities.

Then there's this: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/10/03/white-families-are-twice-as-likely-to-be-millionaires-as-a-generation-ago/

And this: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/09/28/black-and-hispanic-families-are-making-more-money-but-they-still-lag-far-behind-whites/

And, sadly, this: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/09/18/white-people-are-really-confident-things-are-getting-better-for-black-people/

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Interesting thread re: all things Education in Indiana.

Main point-

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Republicans literally recreated our school system in Indiana — they got everything they wanted and have had total control of all aspects for years now. They won, and it wasn’t even close. 

So, if you support any version of HB 1134 — or any bill that essentially makes every teacher a suspect in a crime — because of union-loving socialists lurking in/controlling schools after 17 years of total GOP domination of Ind schools, well you are a remarkably stupid person.

 

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8 hours ago, Catdaddyhorn said:

And on top of that, federal and state governments would routinely bulldoze black neighborhoods for whatever "greater purpose" they thought would be better served.

Well there's a black man, with a black cat
Livin' in a black neighborhood
He's got an interstate runnin' through his front yard

 

Mellencamp didn't write those lyrics by accident.

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On 2/12/2022 at 11:04 AM, Johnny Sack said:

No.  It started in 1619 when a bunch of white people captured black people in Africa and brought them over here.  First recorded incident of slavery in the world.  The USA is fundamentally racist as are all of its systems and institutions so they need to be torn down.  The American Revolution was actually a slaveholder's rebellion. Other countries did not ever have slavery. 

JFC, you are such a little bitch. 

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17 hours ago, Cement said:

Liberals: "Critical Race Theory is NOT being taught in K-12 schools."

Also liberals: "But don't even think about transparency; you'll have to trust us because we know what's best for your kid.  And don't forget to mask up your 5 year old."

And I love how they call parents "political organizations."  Shows you what they think of you.

Is your brain made of cement?

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10 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

While it is chump change, whitey is 5x.  That's pretty startling.

9 hours ago, David Dennison said:

Now do Asians.

Weird how they have the highest income, by far, of any racial group. 

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5 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

What does that have to do with reducing the disparity between black and white?

The whole point isn't a debate on equality. It's to make Sack feel better about his trust fund life. If Asians are richer them he's ok and couldn't possibly be the problem. 

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33 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

While Asians have been discriminated against in this country, like most minority groups, they were not held as slaves for the first 75 years of existence of the country and then systematically discriminated against, legally, for the next 100 or more.

I've said it before, but a long time ago, my parents Sunday School class had a Jewish guy come for a couple of Sundays on the topic of "everything you wanted to know about Jews but were afraid to ask."    One of the questions that came up was why, given that Jews have been systematically discriminated against for centuries, do they seem to achieve success everywhere they go.

His theory was that Jews bring an "immigrant mentality" everywhere they go.  They flee discrimination and oppression looking for a better life.  It's voluntary.

Slaves didn't "immigrate" to the US voluntarily, seeking a better life, like most other immigrant minorities.  And, of course, once they got here were systematically oppressed in the worst kinds of ways.

That theory may partially explain why more recent African immigrants seem more likely to "succeed."

As catdaddyhorn says, blacks have been deprived of the opportunity to "prove themselves" in ways that other minorities have not.

I hesitate to bring this up, because it involves a lot of generalities and I don't think comparing the struggles of various minority groups is particularly productive, except perhaps to note that the African-American experience has been particularly horrible.

 

There you go bringing up that pesky slavery thing again. 

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46 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

One of the questions that came up was why, given that Jews have been systematically discriminated against for centuries, do they seem to achieve success everywhere they go.

Have they not seen these commercials about how Christians need to donate to save the poor suffering Jews?

 

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18 hours ago, Cement said:

Liberals: "Critical Race Theory is NOT being taught in K-12 schools."

Also liberals: "But don't even think about transparency; you'll have to trust us because we know what's best for your kid.  And don't forget to mask up your 5 year old."

And I love how they call parents "political organizations."  Shows you what they think of you.

You (and other radical republicans) have no idea what CRT actually is.

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1 hour ago, Johnny Sack said:

Now do Asians.

Weird how they have the highest income, by far, of any racial group. 

Respectfully, we are not a monolithic group. And the model minority image you draw from is more prevalent as a broad brush for East Asians and Southeast Asians. Not to mention a great deal of that wave of immigrants came into this country highly educated or already working professionals. 

Asians have been a historical ally of black and brown people since the beginning of the civil rights movement. But it's something the community needs to continue to work on with their own biases and racist ideas against other minorities, hell other Asians in this country. 

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4 minutes ago, YChang said:

Respectfully, we are not a monolithic group. And the model minority image you draw from is more prevalent as a broad brush for East Asians and Southeast Asians. Not to mention a great deal of that wave of immigrants came into this country highly educated or already working professionals. 

True, but that doesn't help Sack's "black people are lazy" narrative, so those little facts will be ignored. 

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2 hours ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Private religious schools where they won’t be taught anything that might challenge their faith. 

Yeah.  i get that.  But all the talk about whitewashing history is true.  But it feels like this is also at least equally an attempt to gut public education.  No one with an IQ above room temperature is going to want to become a teacher in a red state soon, when they can be sued for teaching kids about slavery, offering a meal that doesn't have meat in it, being watched all day on video camera, have to argue with parents about the lesson plans they have to distribute to parents.  Never mind all the other shit teachers already have to deal with. Betsy DuVos is making out like a bandit.  They're succeeding in destroying public education in this country.

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1 hour ago, Pancho said:

You (and other radical republicans) have no idea what CRT actually is.

You say this so tell us what it is? 

CRT has been defined in numerous ways. In an attempt to give a neutral definition, here is the definition provided by Encyclopedia Britannica: 

“Critical Race Theory (CRT) [is an] intellectual movement and loosely organized framework of legal analysis based on the premise that race is not a natural, biologically grounded feature of physically distinct subgroups of human beings but a socially constructed (culturally invented) category that is used to oppress and exploit people of colour. Critical race theorists hold that the law and legal institutions in the United States are inherently racist insofar as they function to create and maintain social, economic, and political inequalities between whites and nonwhites, especially African Americans. 

CRT was officially organized in 1989, at the first annual Workshop on Critical Race Theory, though its intellectual origins go back much farther, to the 1960s and ‘70s. Its immediate precursor was the critical legal studies (CLS) movement, which dedicated itself to examining how the law and legal institutions serve the interests of the wealthy and powerful at the expense of the poor and marginalized. (CLS, an offshoot of the Marxist-oriented critical theory, may also be viewed as a radicalization of early 20th-century legal realism, a school of legal philosophy according to which judicial decision making, especially at the appellate level, is influenced as much by nonlegal – political or ideological – factors as by precedent and principles of legal reasoning).

Like CLS scholars, critical race theorists believed that political liberalism was incapable of adequately addressing fundamental problems of injustice in American society (notwithstanding legislation and court rulings advancing civil rights in the 1950s and ‘60s), because its emphasis on the equitable treatment under the law of all races (“colour blindness”) rendered it capable of recognizing only the most overt and obvious racist practices, not those that were relatively indirect, subtle, or systemic. Liberalism was also faulted for mistakenly presupposing the apolitical nature of judicial decision making and for taking a self-consciously incremental or reformist approach that prolonged unjust social arrangements and afforded opportunities for retrenchment and backsliding through administrative delays and conservative legal challenges. Unlike most CLS scholars, however, critical race theorists did not wish to abandon the notions of law or legal rights altogether, because, in their experience, some laws and legal reforms had done much to help oppressed or exploited people.

In their work Critical Race Theory: An Introduction, first published in 2001, the legal scholars Richard Delgado (one of the founders of CRT) and Jean Stefancic discuss several general propositions that they claim would be accepted by many critical race theorists, despite the considerable variation of belief among members of the movement. These “basic tenets” of CRT, according to the authors, include the following claims:

(1) Race is socially constructed, not biologically natural.

(2) Racism in the United States is normal, not aberrational: it is the common, ordinary experience of most people of colour.

(3) Owing to what critical race theorists call “interest convergence” or “material determinism,” legal advances (or setbacks) for people of colour tend to serve the interests of dominant white groups. Thus, the racial hierarchy that characterizes American society may be unaffected or even reinforced by ostensible improvements in the legal status of oppressed or exploited people.

(4) Members of minority groups periodically undergo “differential racialization,” or the attribution to them of varying sets of negative stereotypes, again depending on the needs or interest of whites.

(5) According to the thesis of “intersectionality” or “antiessentialism,” no individual can be adequately identified by membership in a single group. An African American person, for example, may also identify as a woman, a lesbian, a feminist, a Christian, and so on.

Finally, (6) the “voice of colour” thesis holds that people of colour are uniquely qualified to speak on behalf of other members of their group (or groups) regarding the forms and effects of racism. This consensus has led to the growth of the “legal story telling” movement, which argues that the self-expressed views of victims of racism and other forms of oppression provide essential insight into the nature of the legal system.”  

I have read Kendi and Reynolds' Book.  These are quotes from it:

                                    a.     White people think more of themselves, which further attracts them to racist ideas;

                                    b.     Racist and anti-racist ideas have lived in human minds for nearly six hundred years. Born in Western Europe in the mid-1400s [LMAO], racist ideas traveled to colonial America and have lived in the United States from its beginnings;”

                                    c.     To love capitalism is to end up loving racism;”

                                    d.     “I did not fully realize that the only thing extraordinary about White people is that they think something is extraordinary about them;”

                                    e.     There is no such thing as a not-racist idea, only racist ideas and anti-racist ideas;”

                                     f.     “Instead, they define policies not rigged for White people as racist. Ideas not centering White lives are racist. Beleaguered White racists who can’t imagine their lives not being the focus of a movement respond to ‘Black Lives Matter’ with ‘All Lives Matter;’”

                                    g.     “Embattled police officers who can’t imagine losing their right to racially profile and brutalize respond with ‘Blue Lives Matter;’”

                                    h.     Do-nothing climate policy is racist policy since the predominantly non-White global south is being victimized by climate change more than the Whiter global north, even as the Whiter global north is contributing more to its acceleration;”

                                     i.     Race is a mirage…they fail to realize that if we stop using racial categories, then we will not be able to identify racial inequality;”

                                     j.     “The most threatening racist movement is not the alt right’s unlikely drive for a White ethnostate but the regular American’s drive for a “race-neutral” one. The construct of race neutrality actually feeds the White nationalist victimhood;”

Supporters of CRT believe that race is a social construct and racism is a defining element of American society, and the goal is to challenge practices that reinforce white supremacy, white privilege, and the oppression of people of color. Opponents of CRT argue this ideology is harmful in that it is Marxist in theory, divisive in nature, racist on its face,  and anti-American in its teaching that America is an inherently racist nation. 

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8 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

Opponents of CRT argue this ideology is harmful in that it is Marxist in theory, divisive in nature, racist on its face,  and anti-American in its teaching that America is an inherently racist nation.

So, opponents of CRT don't understand CRT, Marxism, racism, or America?  Yeah, I had a feeling.

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26 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

Supporters of CRT believe that race is a social construct and racism is a defining element of American society, and the goal is to challenge practices that reinforce white supremacy, white privilege, and the oppression of people of color. Opponents of CRT argue this ideology is harmful in that it is Marxist in theory, divisive in nature, racist on its face,  and anti-American in its teaching that America is an inherently racist nation. 

Racism is quite obviously a defining element of American society. That's not really up for debate. 

That being the case, what's more divisive in nature, CRT or actual racism?

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44 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Even if that were true, it's completely irrelevant.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal"

 

I mean, if we're gonna talk the talk, we should walk the walk.  Except Johnny, he's grandfathered (ahem).

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It's the Johnny Sack equivalent to the stupid tweet posted above trying to weigh the atrocities of the Holocaust to the atrocities of slavery.  It's not a contest between, say whether how Blacks are treated in the US is comparatively better or worse than for example how Australia treats Aboriginals, as though there's even some objective metric to compare them anyway.

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2 hours ago, Johnny Sack said:

You say this so tell us what it is? 

CRT has been defined in numerous ways. In an attempt to give a neutral definition, here is the definition provided by Encyclopedia Britannica: 

“Critical Race Theory (CRT) [is an] intellectual movement and loosely organized framework of legal analysis based on the premise that race is not a natural, biologically grounded feature of physically distinct subgroups of human beings but a socially constructed (culturally invented) category that is used to oppress and exploit people of colour. Critical race theorists hold that the law and legal institutions in the United States are inherently racist insofar as they function to create and maintain social, economic, and political inequalities between whites and nonwhites, especially African Americans. 

CRT was officially organized in 1989, at the first annual Workshop on Critical Race Theory, though its intellectual origins go back much farther, to the 1960s and ‘70s. Its immediate precursor was the critical legal studies (CLS) movement, which dedicated itself to examining how the law and legal institutions serve the interests of the wealthy and powerful at the expense of the poor and marginalized. (CLS, an offshoot of the Marxist-oriented critical theory, may also be viewed as a radicalization of early 20th-century legal realism, a school of legal philosophy according to which judicial decision making, especially at the appellate level, is influenced as much by nonlegal – political or ideological – factors as by precedent and principles of legal reasoning).

Like CLS scholars, critical race theorists believed that political liberalism was incapable of adequately addressing fundamental problems of injustice in American society (notwithstanding legislation and court rulings advancing civil rights in the 1950s and ‘60s), because its emphasis on the equitable treatment under the law of all races (“colour blindness”) rendered it capable of recognizing only the most overt and obvious racist practices, not those that were relatively indirect, subtle, or systemic. Liberalism was also faulted for mistakenly presupposing the apolitical nature of judicial decision making and for taking a self-consciously incremental or reformist approach that prolonged unjust social arrangements and afforded opportunities for retrenchment and backsliding through administrative delays and conservative legal challenges. Unlike most CLS scholars, however, critical race theorists did not wish to abandon the notions of law or legal rights altogether, because, in their experience, some laws and legal reforms had done much to help oppressed or exploited people.

In their work Critical Race Theory: An Introduction, first published in 2001, the legal scholars Richard Delgado (one of the founders of CRT) and Jean Stefancic discuss several general propositions that they claim would be accepted by many critical race theorists, despite the considerable variation of belief among members of the movement. These “basic tenets” of CRT, according to the authors, include the following claims:

(1) Race is socially constructed, not biologically natural.

(2) Racism in the United States is normal, not aberrational: it is the common, ordinary experience of most people of colour.

(3) Owing to what critical race theorists call “interest convergence” or “material determinism,” legal advances (or setbacks) for people of colour tend to serve the interests of dominant white groups. Thus, the racial hierarchy that characterizes American society may be unaffected or even reinforced by ostensible improvements in the legal status of oppressed or exploited people.

(4) Members of minority groups periodically undergo “differential racialization,” or the attribution to them of varying sets of negative stereotypes, again depending on the needs or interest of whites.

(5) According to the thesis of “intersectionality” or “antiessentialism,” no individual can be adequately identified by membership in a single group. An African American person, for example, may also identify as a woman, a lesbian, a feminist, a Christian, and so on.

Finally, (6) the “voice of colour” thesis holds that people of colour are uniquely qualified to speak on behalf of other members of their group (or groups) regarding the forms and effects of racism. This consensus has led to the growth of the “legal story telling” movement, which argues that the self-expressed views of victims of racism and other forms of oppression provide essential insight into the nature of the legal system.”  

I have read Kendi and Reynolds' Book.  These are quotes from it:

                                    a.     White people think more of themselves, which further attracts them to racist ideas;

                                    b.     Racist and anti-racist ideas have lived in human minds for nearly six hundred years. Born in Western Europe in the mid-1400s [LMAO], racist ideas traveled to colonial America and have lived in the United States from its beginnings;”

                                    c.     To love capitalism is to end up loving racism;”

                                    d.     “I did not fully realize that the only thing extraordinary about White people is that they think something is extraordinary about them;”

                                    e.     There is no such thing as a not-racist idea, only racist ideas and anti-racist ideas;”

                                     f.     “Instead, they define policies not rigged for White people as racist. Ideas not centering White lives are racist. Beleaguered White racists who can’t imagine their lives not being the focus of a movement respond to ‘Black Lives Matter’ with ‘All Lives Matter;’”

                                    g.     “Embattled police officers who can’t imagine losing their right to racially profile and brutalize respond with ‘Blue Lives Matter;’”

                                    h.     Do-nothing climate policy is racist policy since the predominantly non-White global south is being victimized by climate change more than the Whiter global north, even as the Whiter global north is contributing more to its acceleration;”

                                     i.     Race is a mirage…they fail to realize that if we stop using racial categories, then we will not be able to identify racial inequality;”

                                     j.     “The most threatening racist movement is not the alt right’s unlikely drive for a White ethnostate but the regular American’s drive for a “race-neutral” one. The construct of race neutrality actually feeds the White nationalist victimhood;”

Supporters of CRT believe that race is a social construct and racism is a defining element of American society, and the goal is to challenge practices that reinforce white supremacy, white privilege, and the oppression of people of color. Opponents of CRT argue this ideology is harmful in that it is Marxist in theory, divisive in nature, racist on its face,  and anti-American in its teaching that America is an inherently racist nation. 

It would have been easier to provide a definition from the creator(s) of CRT.

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4 minutes ago, Satchel said:

It would have been easier to provide a definition from the creator(s) of CRT.

Yeah sure, like he's gonna take serious a definition provided by Malcolm X, the Clintons, George Soros, Karl Marx, and a Mister Ronan Sinatra?  

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