Critical Race Theory policy in hiring at UT

[Johnny Sack 8397]

6 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I mean, you are aware that UT has been bringing speakers on controversial subjects to campus for, I dunno, a hundred years or so?

Just like every other such speaker, people can take what they like and leave the rest.  DEI is not some indoctrination camp.

That’s what the admins at our school all say.  Then we see them a few weeks later writing missives to the entire school community apologizing for their whiteness and their role in oppressing.  You lay with dogs and you’re bound to get some fleas.  
 

Don’t piss down my back and tell me it’s raining.  

[Larry T. Spider 1747]

https://www.pbs.org/black-culture/shows/list/austin-texas-civil-rights/
 

If you don’t think that systemic racism still has an impact on society today, please watch this 30 minute video on the history of Austin. It’s not designed to make you feel bad. It’s factual. It’s relevant to anybody that has any knowledge of Austin, past or present. 

[StassneyHorn 6775]

OP,

who fwd:fwd:fwd: this to you? Grandpa or the uncle who just hasnt found the right girl ever?

[Johnny Sack 8397]

5 minutes ago, StassneyHorn said:

OP,

who fwd:fwd:fwd: this to you? Grandpa or the uncle who just hasnt found the right girl ever?

Yeah. That’s it. Nothing here to see.  Move along.

[washparkhorn 9973]

5 minutes ago, StassneyHorn said:

OP,

who fwd:fwd:fwd: this to you? Grandpa or the uncle who just hasnt found the right girl ever?

Watched Fox tonight - the subject was all the rage on Sean, Tucker and Laura's entertainment offerings. 

[Michael Knight 13224]

51 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

His policies didn’t reflect that.  

Name a policy he had

[Apep 646]

1 hour ago, Pancho said:

 

Yes.  You're making my point, though.

Not really; I'm just being charitable. Some readers will look at the juxtaposition and see no difference, except that the second version of the tenets makes explicit what (to them) is obfuscated in your version. Others will have more charitable reads, recognize legitimate variations within academia and so on. But if we collapse CRT into just the second set of tenets, it isn't hard to see the connection between certain tenets and the bad examples that run rampant in DEI and anti-racism efforts and the post-Protestant, performative liturgy of pop culture Wokists. It's a damn shame because some of the tenets, in either version, are interesting, albeit not as useful as other mental models.

Discussion of CRT in groups is pointless; it is Covington scissors all the way down.

 

 

[Johnny Sack 8397]

3 minutes ago, Michael Knight said:

Name a policy he had

You’re the one who said he was racist against blacks.  I couldn’t think of any.  You seem sure.  So what Trump policies were racist against blacks?  Was the First Step Act racist?

[Michael Knight 13224]

8 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

You’re the one who said he was racist against blacks.  I couldn’t think of any.  You seem sure.  So what Trump policies were racist against blacks?  Was the First Step Act racist?

Of course you couldn't think of any, the man called BLM a symbol of hate which you probably agreed with. He was against the first step act until Jared convinced him celebrities like Kanye would say nice things about him. Also that was a bipartisan Congressional act he had nothing to do with crafting.

[Captainant 28539]

7 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

You’re the one who said he was racist against blacks.  I couldn’t think of any.  You seem sure.  So what Trump policies were racist against blacks?  Was the First Step Act racist?

You should read up on how the southern strategy aimed to reframe racial issues into economic issues in the wake of a civil and voting rights acts getting signed into law. It's rare you'll see a politician outright saying the quiet part out loud. 

And when the quiet part IS said out loud, it's remarkable how many folks refuse to believe their lying ears. 

[Johnny Sack 8397]

1 minute ago, Captainant said:

You should read up on how the southern strategy aimed to reframe racial issues into economic issues in the wake of a civil and voting rights acts getting signed into law. It's rare you'll see a politician outright saying the quiet part out loud. 

And when the quiet part IS said out loud, it's remarkable how many folks refuse to believe their lying ears. 

Never knew Trump was involved with the southern strategy.  

[Captainant 28539]

3 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

Never knew Trump was involved with the southern strategy.  

He's the beneficiary of it. Appealing to racial tensions is what started his love affair with republicans and evangelicals. 

[StassneyHorn 6775]

33 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

Yeah. That’s it. Nothing here to see.  Move along.

This is exactly it

[Catdaddyhorn 3467]

The visa ban to immigrants from shithole countries might have been a tad bit racist. 

Edited May 21, 2021 by Catdaddyhorn

[Johnny Sack 8397]

12 minutes ago, Catdaddyhorn said:

The visa ban to immigrants from shithole countries might have been a tad bit racist. 

Would saying you don’t want schools integrated via busing because it would create a racial jungle for your kids be racist or a tad bit racist?

[washparkhorn 9973]

48 minutes ago, Apep said:

Covington scissors

Duck or Rabbit?

[washparkhorn 9973]

7 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

Would saying you don’t want schools integrated via busing because it would create a racial jungle for your kids be racist or a tad bit racist?

Focus on your own family. 

[DonkeyCigars 143]

12 hours ago, mchookem said:

 

 

does this not address the public school boogeyman?? what am i missing?

I don't think you are missing anything-- this is also news to me and sounds like a great thing for those who would want to leverage a good school district in their neighborhood and put would-be tuition money to work to make more money.

Edited May 21, 2021 by DonkeyCigars

[Pancho 46312]

9 hours ago, CDAK said:

Bringing Kendi to talk to us and tell us about his philosophy and how we should adjust our behavior.

I thought Kendi was a CRT professor. So, a DEI initiative to bring a CRT professor to instruct us on how to behave and his philosophy would be a DEI initiative based on CRT.

If Kendi is not a CRT professor, great. In that case, I obviously don't understand the difference between antiracism, CRT, and how either one is reflected in DEI initiatives. We recently had a mandatory session on intersectionality that was taught by our HR dept. It seemed very familiar to the tenets of CRT that you and Donkey posted. But maybe there's a distinction that I'm missing. If there were clear distinctions someone could provide, that would probably help. 

There’s not really such thing as a “CRT professor.”  CRT is just a theory/framework.  There might be a prof who maybe teaches a grad class dissecting CRT and educates how to apply this theory critically, but CRT isn’t a discipline so there are no “CRT professors.”

Intersectionality is in many theories, not just CRT.  Intersectionality can be a framework by itself if someone really wanted it to be.

[TwiceHorn 32079]

8 hours ago, CDAK said:

Yeah, of course. I’m not sure how that’s relevant. I was just trying to answer the question posed to me - what DEI initiative was based on CRT.

OK, based on I guess is fair.  

I guess I should mention that I was taught torts by an adherent to the Critical Legal Studies movement.  He didn't try to indoctrinate all the students in the class with CLS, but he did bring it up on several occasions.  We were smart enough to understand that it was one of several views on any matter on which it was offered.  A lot of us kind of made fun of him because it was perceived as a fringey, radical school of thought. 

What it boiled down to was that any slight or perceived inequity in the law was always "traceable" to "the man."  It was too liberal at the time for even liberally oriented students. But it was interesting.  And it made me aware that there are at least potential inequities built into the law and that it often favors the one with the gold, so to speak.

Exposure of students, at least at the college level, and probably at advanced high school level, to things like CRT or even CLS (which is likely too legally nuanced for anyone but law students) probably isn't going to poison their minds any more than study of Karl Marx.  Or that sex ed is going to turn students into raving sex maniacs (tip, they don't need sex ed for that).

If people think any sort of critical studies are wrong, they should be willing to hash it out in public fora rather than preempt it altogether.  If you are afraid of what it teaches, then I ask what are you trying to hide?

I don't like being called "racist" or "white supremacist" anymore than the next whitey, but I have to admit that I have some blind spots and we all do because we can't walk a  mile in another man's shoes.  Those terms are losing some of their poison to me.  The goal of helping to eliminate those racial blind spots is laudable and if teaching the existence and a light overview of CRT helps with that, which I think it does or should, then I am ok with it.

[Nivek 17415]

 
Don’t piss down my back and tell me it’s raining.  

Why not? You believe in all sorts of magical thinking not rooted in the evidence. Including trickle down economics. So we might as well trickle down on you.

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

9 hours ago, Johnny Sack said:

Poem excerpts:
“Others are living their privileged lives and couldn’t care less or seem to ignore the truth...
.....
Behind her brown eyes she walked down the halls and saw privilege smeared all over the poisonous walls..
.....
She’d befriended the rich white girls, walked into their mansions and would play pretend for the day, wishing she were them
And she hated herself for it, but at the end of the day would remember exactly who she was...
.....
Where did we go wrong?
...
It wasn’t until the pretty white boy wearing a MAGA hat called her fat
& Her rich white friends told her that her dreams were unattainable that she saw her passion diminish.
.....
But one day she grew up and realized most of the people she had known since she was 3 would never know the meaning of work ethic
Where did we go wrong?...
She was done asking bc that hurt her more
Than any police officer could
Than the hatred people had for her skin
The hatred she had for her own skin
More than the pretty white boys.”

 

are you upset that someone was allowed to standup and read a poem?

[Macklemore 2945]

12 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

Oh damn.  Guess I should have spotted that one.

I’m not Icono. hayden horn ran an IP check on another and confirmed I wasn’t. My posting style isn’t like his and I don’t post in the CR.

Edited May 21, 2021 by Macklemore

[Johnny Sack 8397]

58 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

are you upset that someone was allowed to standup and read a poem?

I don't think it was appropriate material for the 5 year olds in the audience, so yes.  And most everyone with any sense at our school agrees.

[Brisketexan 106899]

57 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

are you upset that someone was allowed to standup and read a poem?

Or even moreso.....that it was a poem that could have been written by any non-upper class non-white girl at St. Agnes at any time in the past 50 years (or more)?

Seriously, that was my world....and yeah, I knew girls who felt that way every year.  With justification.  That doesn't make St. Agnes bad, or all the girls there bad, or the faculty bad, or any of that.  It's just reality, that dynamic exists.  There are clueless, entitled white girls, who indeed will never have to work a day in their lives, and have no perspective on the rest of the world.  And there are non-rich, non-white girls there who sometimes feel like they're part of the community, but then get shocking splashes of reality to the face reminding them that they will never, ever, be a full and equal part of that world.

I don't understand why speaking to that reality offends people so.  Sorry if it makes you uncomfortable, I guess.  But not sorry.

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

8 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

I don't think it was appropriate material for the 5 year olds in the audience, so yes.  And most everyone with any sense at our school agrees.

5 year olds paying attention in chapel? yeah, no.

[Johnny Sack 8397]

2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Or even moreso.....that it was a poem that could have been written by any non-upper class non-white girl at St. Agnes at any time in the past 50 years (or more)?

Seriously, that was my world....and yeah, I knew girls who felt that way every year.  With justification.  That doesn't make St. Agnes bad, or all the girls there bad, or the faculty bad, or any of that.  It's just reality, that dynamic exists.  There are clueless, entitled white girls, who indeed will never have to work a day in their lives, and have no perspective on the rest of the world.  And there are non-rich, non-white girls there who sometimes feel like they're part of the community, but then get shocking splashes of reality to the face reminding them that they will never, ever, be a full and equal part of that world.

I don't understand why speaking to that reality offends people so.  Sorry if it makes you uncomfortable, I guess.  But not sorry.

Well, we pay for our kids to go there.  And I, and about 90 percent of the parents there, aren't going to put up with class warfare shit.  Especially when the school is begging all those privileged rich people to pay $100 million for new facilities.

[Johnny Sack 8397]

1 minute ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

5 year olds paying attention in chapel? yeah, no.

Who do you think brought it to multiple parent's attention?

[Nice Guy Eddie 13731]

10 hours ago, Johnny Sack said:

DEI, when the E stands for equity, is the Trojan horse for CRT.  Been dealing this with this at my kids’ private Christian school.  Where teachers lined up kids in class based on their skin color on a lesson about privilege.  Or read this poem, excerpted below, in chapel (the writer I believe went to St Agnes, not our school)

Poem excerpts:
“Others are living their privileged lives and couldn’t care less or seem to ignore the truth...
.....
Behind her brown eyes she walked down the halls and saw privilege smeared all over the poisonous walls..
.....
She’d befriended the rich white girls, walked into their mansions and would play pretend for the day, wishing she were them
And she hated herself for it, but at the end of the day would remember exactly who she was...
.....
Where did we go wrong?
...
It wasn’t until the pretty white boy wearing a MAGA hat called her fat
& Her rich white friends told her that her dreams were unattainable that she saw her passion diminish.
.....
But one day she grew up and realized most of the people she had known since she was 3 would never know the meaning of work ethic
Where did we go wrong?...
She was done asking bc that hurt her more
Than any police officer could
Than the hatred people had for her skin
The hatred she had for her own skin
More than the pretty white boys.”

 

I can see that some parents would be furious at this poem, especially if the students hearing it are younger. Regardless of beliefs, the inclusion of a MAGA hat is intentionally provoking a certain discussion and implies that Trump support = white supremist views. IMO that is fine for a poem but counter-productive to include it in a classroom below college level since it changes the message.

I get it that parents have long worried about schools teaching certain views, against their own, will turn their child into <insert whatever scares the parent the most.> I see it as an opportunity to teach the child that they can hear views even if they disagree. And there is always a chance to learn from something or someone, even if you don't agree with everything they say.

 

[Brisketexan 106899]

Just now, Johnny Sack said:

Well, we pay for our kids to go there.  And I, and about 90 percent of the parents there, aren't going to put up with class warfare shit.  Especially when the school is begging all those privileged rich people to pay $100 million for new facilities.

Why is it "class warfare" to acknowledge that rich, privileged white kids have a tendency to shit on poor, non-white kids?  I mean, that's been true my whole life -- I moved in that world much of my life, and that's the way it is.  In fact....isn't the audience that MOST needs to be confronted with that truth.....rich, privileged white kids?

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

Just now, Johnny Sack said:

I pay a lot of money so my kid's don't have to hear about the perspective of people of color

at least you're honest about it.

[Johnny Sack 8397]

2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Why is it "class warfare" to acknowledge that rich, privileged white kids have a tendency to shit on poor, non-white kids?  I mean, that's been true my whole life -- I moved in that world much of my life, and that's the way it is.  In fact....isn't the audience that MOST needs to be confronted with that truth.....rich, privileged white kids?

Every kid at the school is privileged, including the black and brown ones.  We aren't paying for our kids to be indoctrinated with leftist class warfare bullshit.

[Johnny Sack 8397]

2 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

at least you're honest about it.

Fuck off and enjoy your slave labor.  Do you at least let your indentured servants take home the leftovers?

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

Just now, Johnny Sack said:

Fuck off and enjoy your slave labor. 

johnny, is that really what a church deacon would say?

[TwiceHorn 32079]

5 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

Well, we pay for our kids to go there.  And I, and about 90 percent of the parents there, aren't going to put up with class warfare shit.  Especially when the school is begging all those privileged rich people to pay $100 million for new facilities.

Yikes, dude.  "I'm not going to exercise my privilege if the school teaches that such privilege exists."

[jimmyjazz 47205]

10 hours ago, Johnny Sack said:

You’re the one who said he was racist against blacks.  I couldn’t think of any.  You seem sure.  So what Trump policies were racist against blacks?  Was the First Step Act racist?

One need not examine Trump's policies in office to know he is a racist.  You know this.

-- in 1973, the Nixon DOJ sued Trump Management for violations of the Fair Housing Act when he refused to rent to black applicants or would lie about property availability.  

-- in the 1980s, black employees of Trump Castle were routinely taken off the floor of the casino when Trump visited

-- in 1989, Trump led the public outcry against the Central Park Five, a group of 4 black and 1 Hispanic youth who were falsely accused of a Central Park rape.  They each served between 6 and 13 years in either juvenile detention or adult prison.  In 2002, DNA evidence corroborated the confession of the actual rapist, and the CP5 sentences were vacated.  Years later, Trump went on record as saying he still believed they were guilty, despite the overwhelming DNA evidence to the contrary (1 in 6B chance it was the CP5).  On a side note, the CP5 sued New York City for their unjust imprisonment, and ultimately received ~ $40M in a settlement.

-- Trump has been quoted on the topic of a black bookkeeper as saying "I think that the guy is lazy.  And it's probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks.  It really is, I believe that.  It's not anything they can control."  Trump has acknowledged the quote.

-- in 1992, Trump Plaza had to pay a $200K fine because it accommodated a customers' demands that black and female employees be taken off the floor.

-- he was a central player in the birther movement which asserted that President Obama was not born a United States citizen.

-- he routinely railed against Federal District Judge Gonzalo Curiel, claiming he was biased because he was Hispanic and "a Mexican".  Curiel was born in Indiana.

-- of Mexicans crossing the southern US border, he said without equivocation "They're sending people that have lots of problems.  They're bringing drugs.  They're bringing crime.  They're rapists."  He immediately tried to backtrack with the laughable qualifier "And some, I assume, are good people."

 

As I said, you know all this.

 

Edited May 21, 2021 by jimmyjazz

[Brisketexan 106899]

3 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

Every kid at the school is privileged, including the black and brown ones.  We aren't paying for our kids to be indoctrinated with leftist class warfare bullshit.

How is it "leftist class warfare" to acknowledge that many of the privileged regularly act like the non-privileged are beneath them, and should be treated with contempt?  That's a real thing, that happens.  Anyone who has spent any time in such worlds is nodding their heads with a "no shit, Sherlock' expression.

I think that young men should be exposed to the fact that sometimes, men sexually assault women and do not respect boundaries.  We do that so they will know about the possibility, and will have that in mind when dealing with women and treat them with respect.  My son certainly got such information.

I think that privileged kids should be exposed to the fact that they are in fact not "better" than others, and should treat all humans with dignity and respect, and that treating people otherwise is shitty.  That way, they'll have that in the back of their mind when they are dealing with people who are not of their privileged class.

Again, I knew and know plenty of people from that privileged class (and yes, some of them aren't white).  Some of those people are princes - they were raised right, and instilled with good values, and they treat all people, regardless of station, as their brothers and sisters.  Some of them are entitled shitbags with zero perspective.  I wish they had been raised better, and instilled with such lessons when they were of an age where it mattered.

[Johnny Sack 8397]

3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

How is it "leftist class warfare" to acknowledge that many of the privileged regularly act like the non-privileged are beneath them, and should be treated with contempt?  That's a real thing, that happens.  Anyone who has spent any time in such worlds is nodding their heads with a "no shit, Sherlock' expression.

I think that young men should be exposed to the fact that sometimes, men sexually assault women and do not respect boundaries.  We do that so they will know about the possibility, and will have that in mind when dealing with women and treat them with respect.  My son certainly got such information.

I think that privileged kids should be exposed to the fact that they are in fact not "better" than others, and should treat all humans with dignity and respect, and that treating people otherwise is shitty.  That way, they'll have that in the back of their mind when they are dealing with people who are not of their privileged class.

Again, I knew and know plenty of people from that privileged class (and yes, some of them aren't white).  Some of those people are princes - they were raised right, and instilled with good values, and they treat all people, regardless of station, as their brothers and sisters.  Some of them are entitled shitbags with zero perspective.  I wish they had been raised better, and instilled with such lessons when they were of an age where it mattered.

Our community disagrees.  And won't be doing it.

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

6 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

How is it "leftist class warfare" to acknowledge that many of the privileged regularly act like the non-privileged are beneath them, and should be treated with contempt?  That's a real thing, that happens.  Anyone who has spent any time in such worlds is nodding their heads with a "no shit, Sherlock' expression.

I think that young men should be exposed to the fact that sometimes, men sexually assault women and do not respect boundaries.  We do that so they will know about the possibility, and will have that in mind when dealing with women and treat them with respect.  My son certainly got such information.

I think that privileged kids should be exposed to the fact that they are in fact not "better" than others, and should treat all humans with dignity and respect, and that treating people otherwise is shitty.  That way, they'll have that in the back of their mind when they are dealing with people who are not of their privileged class.

Again, I knew and know plenty of people from that privileged class (and yes, some of them aren't white).  Some of those people are princes - they were raised right, and instilled with good values, and they treat all people, regardless of station, as their brothers and sisters.  Some of them are entitled shitbags with zero perspective.  I wish they had been raised better, and instilled with such lessons when they were of an age where it mattered.

 

3 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

Our community disagrees.  And won't be doing it.

[Brisketexan 106899]

3 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

Our community disagrees.  And won't be doing it.

Oh, I believe you.

Heaven forbid that the privileged should have any real insight into what it's like to be part of the 99%.  I get it.  I've seen that approach before, plenty.  And I've seen how it ends.

[BabaYaga 15625]

16 hours ago, Captainant said:

Lol, you're leaning on a right-wing thinktank publication to back your right-wing thinktank arguments! Whodathunkit!

Can't wait to hear the new arguments tomorrow after tonight's episode of tucker

Ah, the tried and true ad hominem attack on the publication, ignoring the actual citations of events that have been sourced in the publication.  Again, very compelling.  My dude.  

[GW Hayduke 1957]

It is bizarre seeing folks conflate CRT with DEI workplace training and becoming emotionally triggered them. Get help.

The vast majority of DEI is really fucking obvious. Understanding that those around you are different and have different life experiences, their are root causes to disparities, and our institutions are better when diverse.  It is simply workplace training to teach people to not be assholes. Don’t compliment your coworkers tits. Take off your Nazi armband before entering the building.  Basic shit.

The emotional response from the right to that kind of thing is strange to see. I think it is about as outrageous as their response to Mr. Potato Head and Dr. Seuss or their weird fear of masks.

Some folks on this board need to cry on their mommy’s shoulder until they feel safe again.

[BabaYaga 15625]

26 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Yikes, dude.  "I'm not going to exercise my privilege if the school teaches that such privilege exists."

This conflating these "teachings" on the same level as math/science is disingenuous. 

Do you have children yourself?  Tell me honestly how would you react to this?  This is utterly abhorrent.....and before some goalkeeper tries their tried and true "this isn't REAL CRT" nonsense, this is what you are seeing more and more of that parent have real issues with.

• Buffalo Public Schools teaches students that “all white people” perpetuate systemic racism and forces kindergarteners to watch a video of dead black children warning them about “racist police and state-sanctioned violence” who might kill them at any time.

Buffalo Public Schools diversity czar Fatima Morrell

There are dozens and dozens of other examples from across the country at all age levels.  

Or this:  A Cupertino, California, elementary school forces third-graders to deconstruct their racial and sexual identities, then rank themselves according to their “power and privilege.” They separate the eight-year-old children into oppressors and oppressed.

[elguapo 4620]

If you spend a lot of time sitting around worrying about CRT then you're probably a racist.

[Johnny Sack 8397]

12 minutes ago, elguapo said:

If you spend a lot of time sitting around worrying about CRT then you're probably a racist.

Being called a racist means nothing any more.  

[Brisketexan 106899]

5 minutes ago, GW Hayduke said:

It is bizarre seeing folks conflate CRT with DEI workplace training and becoming emotionally triggered them. Get help.

The vast majority of DEI is really fucking obvious. Understanding that those around you are different and have different life experiences, their are root causes to disparities, and our institutions are better when diverse.  It is simply workplace training to teach people to not be assholes. Don’t compliment your coworkers tits. Take off your Nazi armband before entering the building.  Basic shit.

The emotional response from the right to that kind of thing is strange to see. I think it is about as outrageous as their response to Mr. Potato Head and Dr. Seuss or their weird fear of masks.

Some folks on this board need to cry on their mommy’s shoulder until they feel safe again.

This. Understand that not everyone comes from the comfortable world you may come from.  Treat them with respect, and respect their experiences.

As for "DEI," let's make it concrete.  In my profession - attorney - minorities remain underrepresented based on their percentage of the population.  That's not really because law firms won't hire minorities (sure, there are unconscious biases, there are flat-out racist firms, all that, but that's not the dominant factor).  The dominant factor is the fact that the pool of smart law school grads doesn't have as many minorities in it as their percentage of society.  SO, a reasoned DEI effort says that we can and should use our position to help remedy that.  Which starts LONG before we do on-campus interviews.

It starts with offering mentorship to young people who may not have an attorney in their family, or a model to follow.  It includes providing active teaching and financial assistance to high school and college students who are interested in a career in law.  Help the black student from Dallas figure out this path, and develop his strengths to become an attorney, and to make Texas better.  Help the hispanic student from the RGV do the same thing, so she can realize a dream that she's just now realizing she has.  And in 10 years, the pool of candidates for us to hire will include more minorities than it does today.  And they will then be better situated to help people in their communities, and to build generational wealth and provide a brighter future for their children and grandchildren, like the white guy who is the son and grandson of attorneys, who had their example as a model to him his entire life, and who had the benefit of their generational wealth to fund their studies.  

That's all.  The playing field was purposefully tilted against minorities for a long-ass time in the US.  If I take some time out from my sprint to the top to pause, and extend a hand back to help pull some people along who wouldn't otherwise have a mentor or support.....then how is that some evil thing that we must fight against?  (And yes, I understand that I'm in an even MORE influential position because I am a minority who has succeeded in this business).  Because I assure you, that's EXACTLY what all the DEI conversations in my industry come back to.

[TwiceHorn 32079]

19 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

This conflating these "teachings" on the same level as math/science is disingenuous. 

Do you have children yourself?  Tell me honestly how would you react to this?  This is utterly abhorrent.....and before some goalkeeper tries their tried and true "this isn't REAL CRT" nonsense, this is what you are seeing more and more of that parent have real issues with.

• Buffalo Public Schools teaches students that “all white people” perpetuate systemic racism and forces kindergarteners to watch a video of dead black children warning them about “racist police and state-sanctioned violence” who might kill them at any time.

Buffalo Public Schools diversity czar Fatima Morrell

There are dozens and dozens of other examples from across the country at all age levels.  

Or this:  A Cupertino, California, elementary school forces third-graders to deconstruct their racial and sexual identities, then rank themselves according to their “power and privilege.” They separate the eight-year-old children into oppressors and oppressed.

Where in the name of fuck did you get that from what I said.

And, sorry, I'm not sure I find your source 100% credible.  If you read the article carefully, those outragey bits are from a proposed curriculum, not an adopted curriculum.

Edited May 21, 2021 by TwiceHorn

[Neonmoon 38130]

3 minutes ago, elguapo said:

If you spend a lot of time sitting around worrying about CRT then you're probably a racist.

It’s one of this year’s bogeyman. Last year was Antifa and BLM. It’s just another in a long line of fear mongering ghost stories told control the ignorant. Whites are taught to fear minorities. Gays will make your kids gay. Mexicans will steal your jobs. Blacks will rape your pretty white wives. As long the dumb whites have something to fear, they won’t care about their healthcare or their low wages, or their shitty jobs. So they don’t want to treat immigrants as equals, or let black people live in their neighborhoods, because the thing that whites fear the most, is being a minority. 

[Dahobbs 18324]

9 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

This conflating these "teachings" on the same level as math/science is disingenuous. 

Do you have children yourself?  Tell me honestly how would you react to this?  This is utterly abhorrent.....and before some goalkeeper tries their tried and true "this isn't REAL CRT" nonsense, this is what you are seeing more and more of that parent have real issues with.

• Buffalo Public Schools teaches students that “all white people” perpetuate systemic racism and forces kindergarteners to watch a video of dead black children warning them about “racist police and state-sanctioned violence” who might kill them at any time.

Buffalo Public Schools diversity czar Fatima Morrell

There are dozens and dozens of other examples from across the country at all age levels.  

Or this:  A Cupertino, California, elementary school forces third-graders to deconstruct their racial and sexual identities, then rank themselves according to their “power and privilege.” They separate the eight-year-old children into oppressors and oppressed.

Well shit, if someone's blog says an unnamed "whistleblower" reported these actions to them, well it fucking must have happened. That's totally a reliable source of information you have there. 

In other news, I was approached by a whistleblower who informed me that @BabaYaga is actually part of the insectoid race with the goal of planting eggs in all of our brains. Apparently, he also subsists primarily on feces. Again, this is from a totally real whistleblower. 

[mchookem 16768]

didn't y'all have the lesson in elementary school where your class was separated by eye color, brown eyes on one side and blue/green eyes on the other, and then over a couple of days each group was treated differently? 

one group got to talk, sing, play, basically have fun, while the other had to be silent, do book work, etc. the teacher purposely treated the 'good' group better. the next day the groups switched. 

the final day the class came back together and spent a day talking about the experience from both perspectives.

i remember that. it didn't destroy my 9 or 10 year old mind. i've seen videos of it as well, many classrooms over the years. 

the interesting thing is just how consistent the kids reactions and feelings are, again and again and again. i always thought it was a pretty nifty exercise, primarily teaching empathy towards those that look different. 

anyway...is this that much different from that? i mean that was in the 70s. we all survived the learning experience. it seems like an important and useful lesson.

Edited May 21, 2021 by mchookem