2021 Hurricane & Cyclone Thread

[Message Board User 12396]

5 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

A month without power???? Fuck that 

Which is why not issuing a mandatory evacuation was fucking stupid.

this was projected to be a major hurricane a week ago and now we have more than a million people without electricity or water or sewage for weeks or longer.

[GreenspointTexas 9669]

The good news is, looks like things are prerry much over for most of the places that got it bad yesterday (including New Orleans).

[tokamak 6442]

32 minutes ago, FartingMonk said:

Apparently Verizon is still up.  Everyone else is shit.

Used to work for them. Didn’t like the job, but they do spend a lot of time, money, and effort staying frosty for shit like this. Can’t speak to the other carriers. 

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

9 minutes ago, Message Board User said:

Which is why not issuing a mandatory evacuation was fucking stupid.

this was projected to be a major hurricane a week ago and now we have more than a million people without electricity or water or sewage for weeks or longer.

Counterpoint: the government should stay out of people’s lives. They should take personal responsibility for their own health and well-being. It’s a massive overreach of the government to force people to do something like that. These are free people.

[royiv 9361]

6 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

Counterpoint: the government should stay out of people’s lives. They should take personal responsibility for their own health and well-being. It’s a massive overreach of the government to force people to do something like that. These are free people.

Countercounterpoint: people making dumbass decisions for themselves severely taxes already taxed systems. Fine if you want to make dumbass decisions, but don't expect the government to bail you out. 

[Guest Lobo]

15 minutes ago, Message Board User said:

Which is why not issuing a mandatory evacuation was fucking stupid.

this was projected to be a major hurricane a week ago and now we have more than a million people without electricity or water or sewage for weeks or longer.

Serious question---whether or not the everybody evacuated, wouldn't the power still have been knocked out either way? 

Obviously generators, electrical technician's equipment, massive amounts of water are all on the way (we volunteered a few straight trucks to help).  But how in the world do we help with their wastewater?  

 

[Mantis Toboggan, MD 1501]

Counterpoint: the government should stay out of people’s lives. They should take personal responsibility for their own health and well-being. It’s a massive overreach of the government to force people to do something like that. These are free people.

Counter-counter point: the government is going to be responsible for rescuing and taking care of people who stay behind, so it is certainly a reasonable for them to seek to reduce that burden. Also, if the last couple years hasn’t made it obvious, but we have a lot of morons in this country who are unwilling to take responsibility for their own health and well-being and end up burdening everyone else with their donkey brained decisions.

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

2 minutes ago, royiv said:

Countercounterpoint: people making dumbass decisions for themselves severely taxes already taxed systems. Fine if you want to make dumbass decisions, but don't expect the government to bail you out. 

 

1 minute ago, Mantis Toboggan, MD said:

Counter-counter point: the government is going to be responsible for rescuing and taking care of people who stay behind, so it is certainly a reasonable for them to seek to reduce that burden. Also, if the last couple years hasn’t made it obvious, but we have a lot of morons in this country who are unwilling to take responsibility for their own health and well-being and end up burdening everyone else with their donkey brained decisions.

SUSTAINED!

[Telegraph_it 3359]

4 minutes ago, Mantis Toboggan, MD said:

Counter-counter point: the government is going to be responsible for rescuing and taking care of people who stay behind, so it is certainly a reasonable for them to seek to reduce that burden. Also, if the last couple years hasn’t made it obvious, but we have a lot of morons in this country who are unwilling to take responsibility for their own health and well-being and end up burdening everyone else with their donkey brained decisions.

Counter-Counter-Counter point: people suck. 

 

Edit: and are very bad at risk analysis. 

Edited August 30, 2021 by Telegraph_it

[gmr548 16617]

Apparently Verizon is still up.  Everyone else is shit.

That about checks out in my experience

[Mother mopar 3324]

A month without power???? Fuck that 

It was that way in Panama City when Hurricane Michael hit too. What's worse is the debris caused so many flat Gore's it made it harder on the power company vehicles.

[El Diablo 4232]

Eh, evac orders need to be issued with some restraint otherwise you get the Rita experience. As long as loss of life was not extremely high it's probably just as well to wait and see the storm path and damage and then relocate those folks that need it. Maybe plan ahead for places to temporarily relocate them? Idk, that seems like the best role for gubmint to play. 

[MonkeyDoughnut 10357]

11 hours ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

So, 1/3 of the Netherlands is below sea level, and they have buried all their low and medium voltage power lines.  Hell, a lot of Europe has done it.  

This should seriously be something that is done in the US, especially coastal areas.  

All the studies show it doesn't make sense to do in coastal areas prone to flooding and storm surge (which is why they don't), it just shifts the risks from wind damage to corrosive flooding and surge damage. Plus if one does go out it would be much, much longer before it could be restored.

Netherlands is partially below sea level but is not very prone to flooding.

[Hate 20146]

3 minutes ago, Mother mopar said:

48 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

A month without power???? Fuck that 

It was that way in Panama City when Hurricane Michael hit too. What's worse is the debris caused so many flat Gore's it made it harder on the power company vehicles.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13523]

45 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

A month without power???? Fuck that 

From personal experience, I went ~3 weeks without power after Ike in 2008. Luckily I had an employer with power so I could have full AC, internet, etc during the day. At night I had a generator that powered lights, TV, and a window AC unit. Basically my house turned into a studio apt for me as I moved into one room. It sucks but is bearable as long as parts of your city have power.

[gmr548 16617]

Evac if a major city is kind of damned if you do, damned if you don’t from the government’s standpoint.

If you know the levees are good to handle the storm surge and river levels it does more harm than good. If you’ve got a storm they’re obviously not built for you’ve got to get people out. If you’re in the grey area, impossible decision to make

[gmr548 16617]

as long as parts of your city have power.

That does not appear to be the case here. Most people also don’t have generators that can run an AC, appliances, etc.

[FartingMonk 3608]

KHOU has their sister station broadcasting and just driving around.  Holy fuck.  If I didn't have a generator I would be on the road.  Ain't shit gonna get turned back on for a while.  Unless you feel like tent camping in your front yard.  It's going to be a miserable September because it ain't gonna be until October til you get lights back on

[Message Board User 12396]

And here we go…

 

[Message Board User 12396]

 

[immamac 43072]

You can create a thread for looting. This is not the thread for looting talk. 

[Hate 20146]

5 minutes ago, Message Board User said:

And here we go…

 

And this is why people don't want to leave.

[TXSooner518 2438]

18 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

Evac if a major city is kind of damned if you do, damned if you don’t from the government’s standpoint.

If you know the levees are good to handle the storm surge and river levels it does more harm than good. If you’ve got a storm they’re obviously not built for you’ve got to get people out. If you’re in the grey area, impossible decision to make

Yeah, everyone who is saying OMG why didn't they evacuate days ago is missing that all it takes is one time they do that, and the storm shifts and everything is fine for thousands of dumbshits who don't understand weather or probability to decide they are never evacuating again.

[MaybeACoordinator 8349]

I really don't give a fuck about looting from Wal Mart and shit and you shouldn't either. People's homes on the other hand....

[Don Johnson 4756]

My buddy took this photo this morning in New Orleans.

 

[Js1 85579]

3 minutes ago, TXSooner518 said:

Yeah, everyone who is saying OMG why didn't they evacuate days ago is missing that all it takes is one time they do that, and the storm shifts and everything is fine for thousands of dumbshits who don't understand weather or probability to decide they are never evacuating again.

I was reading that a lot of those smaller cities outside the levee system only have one road to get out of the city, basically via NOLA.  So if you also do mandatory evacuations of NOLA, all those people are then going to get trapped in/around NOLA.  Plus the contraflow cuts off supplies going into NOLA, as well as pulls law enforcement resources away from critical areas as they have to do contraflow traffic on the outbound highways. 

[Jiggy-Z 3435]

10 hours ago, bolverk said:

I wouldn't doubt that a lot of those little shotgun shacks in Central City will have quite a bit of roof damage, but it sounds like the levees and pumps did their jobs to keep most of the water out. In the city, at least, I think this will be remembered more as a wind event than flood one.

Have you heard from your boy?

About 9pm. He's ok. No word on damage.

Not sure how he is going to deal with the situation.

Can't stay and can't leave just yet.

Frustrating.

[Pancho 44996]

It’s also wrong to assume that people had the means to leave/evacuate.  Many did not, do not, and will not in the future.  How can you create a mandatory evacuation policy for those who don’t have the means to leave? 

 

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

1 minute ago, Pancho said:

It’s also wrong to assume that people had the means to leave/evacuate.  Many did not, do not, and will not in the future.  How can you create a mandatory evacuation policy for those who don’t have the means to leave? 

 

Boot. Straps.

[Nicole44 22078]

 

[Buzzrock 14941]

Dunno if this is true:

[Nice Guy Eddie 13523]

3 minutes ago, Pancho said:

It’s also wrong to assume that people had the means to leave/evacuate.  Many did not, do not, and will not in the future.  How can you create a mandatory evacuation policy for those who don’t have the means to leave? 

Yes.

Mandatory evacuations are also completely voluntary. But the govt like to use the word mandatory as a scare tactic and warning that they cannot provide much (any) assistance in an emergency.

But on the note about people not having the means or ability, 100% that. If most of your friends and family are within a few miles of you, where do you go? And while we all hate folks that immediately impose on others, there are others that are the complete opposite. They would never dream of asking someone if they could stay at their house. They'll sleep in their car first which they don't want to do.

[Pimphand 5895]

1 hour ago, Neonmoon said:

A month without power???? Fuck that 

People made it almost 6 months without power in the Virgin Islands after Irmariageddon.  My guess is you aren't ready for when the sun burns the grid down globally ;-)

[Message Board User 12396]

 

[Jiggy-Z 3435]

5 minutes ago, Buzzrock said:

Dunno if this is true:
 

I would imagine Grand Isle looks like the Bolivar peninsula after Ike.

[WBT 20669]

23 minutes ago, TXSooner518 said:

Yeah, everyone who is saying OMG why didn't they evacuate days ago is missing that all it takes is one time they do that, and the storm shifts and everything is fine for thousands of dumbshits who don't understand weather or probability to decide they are never evacuating again.

You hear so much of this from people talking about Rita.  Granted, due to Katrina panic there were people far enough inland that left that didn't need to, but if that had come in as a Category 3 at Freeport as predicted a few days out, it would have been very, very bad.

Edited August 30, 2021 by WBT

[Nicole44 22078]

 

[Pimphand 5895]

1 minute ago, Jiggy-Z said:

I would imagine Grand Isle looks like the Bolivar peninsula after Ike.

Which is/was why staying on GI was the very definition of insanity...

[Js1 85579]

2 minutes ago, WBT said:

You hear so much of this from people talking about Rita.  Granted, there were people far enough inland that left that didn't need to, but if that had come in as a Category 3 at Freeport as predicted a few days out, it would have been very, very bad.

"I live in Katy, do I need to evacuate?!?!?!?!??!?!?!"

[gmr548 16617]

40 minutes ago, Message Board User said:

And here we go…

 

This is the at least the second time you've tried to force this in. Fuck off. 

[Pimphand 5895]

Jose is a global treasure. Shit he might be a universal treasure.

[GreenspointTexas 9669]

3 minutes ago, Pimphand said:

Jose is a global treasure. Shit he might be a universal treasure.

I not only fucking love his restaurants, but he’s a hell of a humanitarian

[MonkeyDoughnut 10357]

1 hour ago, We’reTexas said:

 

Listening to Entergy President on local TV I believe talking about this tower, saying it was one of the most robustly engineered structure in their entire system and went through Katrina without any issue or damage at all. 

[SydneyCarton 48175]

Seriously, I kind of want to punch Jose Andres in the face for sticking it out in NO. You're too valuable, sir. 

[MonkeyDoughnut 10357]

Another Entergy note is they presented recommendation to New Orleans to build a new local generation station in New Orleans for just these occasions.  Options for 226MW and 128MW stations.  City wisely decided to build one, choosing the smaller 128MW station which went into operation a year ago in May 2020.

Its starting back up to be able to quickly restore emergency power in the NO area as its safely able to.

[tokamak 6442]

What's a good organization to donate to if we want to do what little we can to help out right now? Red cross?

[Scheiss Meister 8411]

1 hour ago, Prepuce of Doom said:

Thirty years in the poop scene, approximately ten of them among this group of miscreants, and your goddamn phone still autocorrects "shit" to "shot." 

Technology sucks. 

Autocorrect or fat fingers.  I have to learn to proof read my posts.

[Pimphand 5895]

1 minute ago, GreenspointTexas said:

I not only fucking love his restaurants, but he’s a hell of a humanitarian

Yeah I frequent his restaurants when I can.  When I was in DC it was almost a weekly ritual.  I also donate to WCK when I can and god willing and the creek don't rise I'll retire from corporate america and contribute to WCK actively for my retirement years.

 

3 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Seriously, I kind of want to punch Jose Andres in the face for sticking it out in NO. You're too valuable, sir. 

Servant leader going to servant leader but yeah I would be happier if he wasn't on the front line in this particular situation.

[Brisketexan 105346]

1 minute ago, tokamak said:

What's a good organization to donate to if we want to do what little we can to help out right now? Red cross?

Lotta links here -- go local if you can, it turns into direct aid quickly: https://gizmodo.com/how-to-help-hurricane-ida-victims-right-now-1847581474?fbclid=IwAR3DcVkxS_KZUFkmEpYnkzwbIM5uuBNlRV_WL74N9etJ31LHOg33QyMF00w

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4977]

36 minutes ago, Pancho said:

It’s also wrong to assume that people had the means to leave/evacuate.  Many did not, do not, and will not in the future.  How can you create a mandatory evacuation policy for those who don’t have the means to leave? 

 

You just have to channel your inner definitelynothollywood colt and learn to piss all over everything you touch and make everything you say about politics without explicitly making it about politics. Once you reach that level of nirvana evacuating a hurricane is trivial.