Constitutional Carry bill on its way to Governor Abbott’s desk

[Armybrat 40744]

About time....

 

[BearSchlong 8077]

[Armybrat 40744]

Hey, even I know how to utilize the zoom feature on my touchscreen iPad. 😝

[Johnny Sack 8397]

Had an interesting discussion about the sausage making on this last night from a friend of mine who is probably one of the most respected professors who studies this shit for a living (he's on local TV once a week about political issues -- especially locally and state).  Dan Patrick did not want it to happen.  But apparently the house leader outflanked him on it and made it where no GOP senator could vote against it.

Don't know why Patrick did not want it.  Maybe he did but wanted to do it on his own schedule where he could credit?

[Brothahorn 10085]

Finally

[Johnny Sack 8397]

Oh and he said Abbott will obviously sign it.

[Somnio 751]

Great news, except for the CHL instructors.  Oh, and the bad guys who now have to worry about more law abiding citizens being more equiped to defend themselves.

 

[Armybrat 40744]

Oops, the lege is still working on writing the language agreed up before sending it to his desk.

[Deej 76568]

2 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

Had an interesting discussion about the sausage making on this last night from a friend of mine who is probably one of the most respected professors who studies this shit for a living (he's on local TV once a week about political issues -- especially locally and state).  Dan Patrick did not want it to happen.  But apparently the house leader outflanked him on it and made it where no GOP senator could vote against it.

Don't know why Patrick did not want it.  Maybe he did but wanted to do it on his own schedule where he could credit?

Dan Patrick is worried the male prostitute he stiffs on the payment might be carrying. 

[Johnny Sack 8397]

I had let my LTC lapse.  So I recently took the class again and did all the paper work.  Oh well, nice not to have to deal with NICS on firearm purchases and nice to get out of a ticket here and there.

 

[Armybrat 40744]

1 minute ago, Somnio said:

Great news, except for the CHL instructors.  Oh, and the bad guys who now have to worry about more law abiding citizens being more equiped to defend themselves.

 

LTC instructors should offer gun safety classes.

But I will renew my LTC for the same reasons of convenience others have stated.

Edited May 21, 2021 by Armybrat

[Johnny Sack 8397]

3 minutes ago, Somnio said:

Great news, except for the CHL instructors.  Oh, and the bad guys who now have to worry about more law abiding citizens being more equiped to defend themselves.

 

And the poor Texas law shield salesmen.

[Armybrat 40744]

2 minutes ago, Deej said:

Dan Patrick is worried the male prostitute he stiffs on the payment might be carrying. 

And he’s a fucking carpetbagger.

[South Austin 52144]

[cabowabo 4453]

So, are LTC's still gonna be a thing for being able to buy without waiting on a background check?

[Parliament 14138]

26 minutes ago, Somnio said:

Great news, except for the CHL instructors.  Oh, and the bad guys who now have to worry about more law abiding citizens being more equiped to defend themselves.

 

North Dakota has been Constitutional Carry for 2 years now, and I don't think classes have dropped off much.  You still need a permit in other States, and having a CCW makes it SO much easier when you buy a gun.

[midtown 3342]

It's a complete non-issue.  Just like open carry.  If you wanted a CHL over the last 20 years you went out and got one and paid the $30.  Criminals carry regardless of the law.   Something like only 5% of Texans have CHL's.  

[RollLeft 5040]

I could understand if open carry was limited to ones private property, vehicle or home.  That I could understand.  In public?  No, man.  Just no.    

[cabowabo 4453]

5 minutes ago, cabowabo said:

So, are LTC's still gonna be a thing for being able to buy without waiting on a background check?

Should have google before I posted.  Thankfully they will be.  Also, need for reciprocity for packing in other states.

[Armybrat 40744]

16 minutes ago, cabowabo said:

So, are LTC's still gonna be a thing for being able to buy without waiting on a background check?

Yes.

[Armybrat 40744]

12 minutes ago, RollLeft said:

I could understand if open carry was limited to ones private property, vehicle or home.  That I could understand.  In public?  No, man.  Just no.    

Open carry for licensed citizens has been in effect for a number of years, and I have only seen two people (a man & wife) availing themselves of that right. 
Private businesses can still ban carry on their premises.

[Somnio 751]

11 minutes ago, RollLeft said:

I could understand if open carry was limited to ones private property, vehicle or home.  That I could understand.  In public?  No, man.  Just no.    

Outside of protesters at organized events, I've seen open carry in action maybe 3 or 4 times in Texas of all places.

You've always been allowed to open carry a rifle.  You see that much?

Most people aren't trying to draw attention to themselves.  The issue is whether or not the government gets to infringe on the Bill of Rights cuz it makes some people uncomfortable.

[immortal13 4059]

17 minutes ago, midtown said:

It's a complete non-issue.  Just like open carry.  If you wanted a CHL over the last 20 years you went out and got one and paid the $30.  Criminals carry regardless of the law.   Something like only 5% of Texans have CHL's.  

$30? The fuck are you talking about?

[Armybrat 40744]

I would never OC in any urban areas, but have done so on family lands.

As you said, no need to draw attention. But some yayhoos undoubtedly will strut around like Mad Max.

[midtown 3342]

1 minute ago, immortal13 said:

$30? The fuck are you talking about?

Sorry.  Looks like the permit fee is $40.   Throw in a $60 course.   $100

[RollLeft 5040]

1 minute ago, Somnio said:

  The issue is whether or not the government gets to infringe on the Bill of Rights cuz it makes some people uncomfortable.

I have no real issue with constitutional carry part.  

3 minutes ago, Armybrat said:

Open carry for licensed citizens has been in effect for a number of years, and I have only seen two people (a man & wife) availing themselves of that right. 
Private businesses can still ban carry on their premises.

Its the open carry in public i take issue with.  I don't care to see anyone avail themselves of any weapon in public.  I'm all for the right to bear arms to defend your property and or your home, sure.  Allowing anyone to walk the streets with weapons in public?  No thanks.  Jmo.

[midtown 3342]

1 minute ago, RollLeft said:

Its the open carry in public i take issue with.  I don't care to see anyone avail themselves of any weapon in public.  I'm all for the right to bear arms to defend your property and or your home, sure.  Allowing anyone to walk the streets with weapons in public?  No thanks.  Jmo.

I was never a fan of this but in reality; why would you advertise to everyone that you have a firearm?  Hey guess what.  Your first on the list of targets buddy.    But alas it was a complete non-issue.   I've yet to actually see anyone open carry.  I did it once for shit and giggles into a convenience store that actually had a police office it in filling up on donuts. 

[Armybrat 40744]

Not “anyone”. Criminals, gang members and other ineligible people are prohibited.

[atomheartbevo 89449]

11 minutes ago, Armybrat said:

I would never OC in any urban areas, but have done so on family lands.

As you said, no need to draw attention. But some yayhoos undoubtedly will strut around like Mad Max.

Just now, midtown said:

I was never a fan of this but in reality; why would you advertise to everyone that you have a firearm?  Hey guess what.  Your first on the list of targets buddy.    But alas it was a complete non-issue.   I've yet to actually see anyone open carry.  I did it once for shit and giggles into a convenience store that actually had a police office it in filling up on donuts. 

This.  Dumb as fuck to go open carrying everywhere.  I honestly don't think many people will do it because of that.  The Alex Jones crowd will do that shit, and they'll do it at their protests at the Capitol or whatever, but most people have more common sense than that.

And like midtown said, people who wanted to carry have had years to get their CHL.

Abbott is just terrified of being primaried by Huffines, and he's trying to keep from giving Allen West and the Texas GOP more ammo to boot him out of office.

 

[immortal13 4059]

23 minutes ago, midtown said:

Sorry.  Looks like the permit fee is $40.   Throw in a $60 course.   $100

My fault...it was $140 for the permit and around $100 for the class rhe llast time I did it.

[atomheartbevo 89449]

2 minutes ago, Armybrat said:

Not “anyone”. Criminals, gang members and other ineligible people are prohibited.

Gang members are eligible if they have not been convicted of any crimes.  Whether they are the Bloods or Crips, or the 3%ers or Proud Boys or whatever.  There is no restriction.

 

[Guest Lobo]

Yeah, anybody supporting Dan Patrick can open carry and is in a gang.  You can tell by their colors.  A lot of pant suits and outdoorsy plaids by Lane Bryant.  And that’s just the ‘men’

[Js1 85112]

Easy to check off the small dick men on this board who need to carry their penis extension anywhere they go. 

[Dbeasy 14970]

I heartily look forward to armed bloods and crips casually strolling along Westlake blvd and the Austin high school district zone with weapons adorned upon them. America!

[atomheartbevo 89449]

1 hour ago, Johnny Sack said:

 Dan Patrick did not want it to happen.  But apparently the house leader outflanked him on it and made it where no GOP senator could vote against it.

Don't know why Patrick did not want it.  Maybe he did but wanted to do it on his own schedule where he could credit?

Lost in the hoopla is that quite a few police chiefs have come out against it, and from what I read, they were directly lobbying Patrick. 

I saw a little bit of some of the press conferences they've been holding in Austin (and it sounded like a rural vs urban issue, with rural police chiefs not caring). 

Basically it boils down to a few things - one, they don't like people carrying, who haven't been through any safety courses and who couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. There is a serious public safety factor there, but I would think that most who support this have already went through CHL classes anyways. CHL wasn't expensive (at least when I did mine, but it's been quite a few years) so cost wasn't a barrier. Maybe the morons who fear some Deep State bullshit and have sidearms that are unknown to the feds wouldn't follow through with a CHL in years past, but most who needed/wanted to carry could.

The other one, which is bigger for cops, is normally if they come up on a suspicious situation and somebody is armed, they can ask them for their ID and license.  Now they have to assume that everybody is eligible to carry, unless they are willing to go and run their histories.  

[midtown 3342]

4 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Easy to check off the small dick men on this board who need to carry their penis extension anywhere they go. 

We are not debating that.  That shipped sailed two decades ago.   We're debating if this bill is even an issue.  

[Neonmoon 38127]

Shooting guns is fun. Pew pew pew 

[midtown 3342]

3 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

they don't like people carrying, who haven't been through any safety courses and who couldn't hit the broad side of a barn.

Have you been through a course?    They let you shoot from like 10 feet.  I was making smiley faces on my target and dudes and chicks were having a hard time hitting the freaking paper.  Guess who got permits?   All of us.   Trust me.  No one is being "trained"

Do you know what they call the guy who graduated last from med school?   Doctor

Edited May 21, 2021 by midtown

[atomheartbevo 89449]

1 minute ago, midtown said:

Have you been through a course?    They let you shoot from like 10 feet.  I was making smiley faces on my target and dudes and chicks were having a hard time hitting the freaking paper.  Guess who got permits?   All of us.

Yep, although it felt like ours was a little farther out, but there were people who were struggling.

Now I'm picturing people who are legally blind and/or who wouldn't be allowed to operate a motor vehicle, rolling around on their Rascal scooters looking for suspicious activity (hint, with their eyesight/judgement, everything is suspicious).

[Foosters 17734]

9 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Lost in the hoopla is that quite a few police chiefs have come out against it

Hard to justify shooting armed persons.

[Guest Lobo]

Welp, Wal-Mart just got a helluva lot more adventurous to visit.  

[Js1 85112]

10 minutes ago, midtown said:

We are not debating that.  That shipped sailed two decades ago.   We're debating if this bill is even an issue.  

We should be getting guns off the street, not putting more on them 

[Walser 1107]

3 minutes ago, midtown said:

Have you been through a course?    They let you shoot from like 10 feet.  I was making smiley faces on my target and dudes and chicks were having a hard time hitting the freaking paper.  Guess who got permits?   All of us.   Trust me.  No one is being "trained"

Do you know what they call the guy who graduated last from med school?   Doctor

Truth. The drooling mouth breathers in my last class should not be licensed to carry a sidearm. Idiocracy has arrived.

Texas response to escalating gun violence is making guns more available. What could possible go wrong?

The 3% of reasonably trained CHL/LTC individuals who actually carry every day and can remember if they have one in the chamber and have situational awareness is vanishingly small. I value my guns and my carry proficiency but let's not pretend this law is a positive.

[Neonmoon 38127]

“Constitutional” ha, what a joke 

[Armybrat 40744]

11 minutes ago, midtown said:

Have you been through a course?    They let you shoot from like 10 feet.  I was making smiley faces on my target and dudes and chicks were having a hard time hitting the freaking paper.  Guess who got permits?   All of us.   Trust me.  No one is being "trained"

Do you know what they call the guy who graduated last from med school?   Doctor

The concealed carry courses were never about safety, but primarily taught the laws and checked for proficiency.

[Armybrat 40744]

5 minutes ago, Js1 said:

We should be getting guns off the street, not putting more on them 

Like the mayor of Rochester, New York? Lol

[Walser 1107]

2 minutes ago, Armybrat said:

Like the mayor of Rochester, New York? Lol

Did you have a point? Elucidate please.

[High Plains Drifter 10978]

49 minutes ago, Somnio said:

Outside of protesters at organized events, I've seen open carry in action maybe 3 or 4 times in Texas of all places.

You've always been allowed to open carry a rifle.  You see that much?

Most people aren't trying to draw attention to themselves.  The issue is whether or not the government gets to infringe on the Bill of Rights cuz it makes some people uncomfortable.

 

If we are going to have open carry, then the gun should be either holstered (pistol) or slung over your shoulder (long guns). Carrying an AR in the ready position is pure, small dick intimidation tactics, nothing more.

 

This:

 

not this:

 

 

 

Your hand shouldn't be on the grip unless there is an actual emergency going down.

 

 

 

[Armybrat 40744]

Contents

• 1U.S. jurisdictions that have constitutional carry
  • 1.1Alaska
  • 1.2Arizona
  • 1.3Arkansas
  • 1.4Idaho
  • 1.5Iowa
  • 1.6Kansas
  • 1.7Kentucky
  • 1.8Maine
  • 1.9Mississippi
  • 1.10Missouri
  • 1.11Montana
  • 1.12New Hampshire
  • 1.13North Dakota (residents only; concealed carry only)
  • 1.14Oklahoma
  • 1.15South Dakota
  • 1.16Tennessee (residents only; handguns only)
  • 1.17Utah
  • 1.18Vermont
  • 1.19West Virginia
  • 1.20Wyoming
• 2U.S. states that have a limited form of permitless concealed carry
  • 2.1Illinois (Unloaded and fully enclosed weapon)
  • 2.2New Mexico (unloaded weapon)
  • 2.3Washington (outdoor recreational activities)

[midtown 3342]

We should be getting guns off the street, not putting more on them 

This does nothing to change manufacturing of firearms. This does nothing to change who can legally purchase a firearm. This does nothing to stop people who can't carry a firearm to carry one. All it does is lower the financial cost to aquire a permit from $100 to $0 and saves those same people 6 hours out of their day. A complete non-issue. Your fight is against something else but IMO it's wasted on this.