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  On 5/26/2021 at 7:19 PM, atomheartbevo said:

Let's post some news.

Tokyo Olympics still going on.  Foreign fans not allowed.

https://apnews.com/article/world-war-ii-tokyo-coronavirus-pandemic-2020-tokyo-olympics-japan-bec3d048e9b962e5a577eca120cc664b

They should change the logo's sun to the covid-19 spikey ball (the official scientific name).

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Would look good on their flag as well  

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  On 5/27/2021 at 3:20 PM, Cheeseweasel said:

It's a news story. Sorry if it doesn't fit your narrative. Perhaps, you should be more introspective and realize that everything doesn't fit your narrow view.

Or keep being a cunt. That's on your conscience and soul, not mine.

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I bet you named your sword.

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  On 5/27/2021 at 3:40 PM, Cheeseweasel said:

@immamac

@hayden_horn

 

Please just delete this thread. If the SOP for this site is to allow people to torpedo every thread they don't like so it gets moved to the CR and you allow that, that's fine. It's your site. But I don't want my threads in that fuckpit.

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I generally like you as a poster, in spite of your trumpiness.  But this is pure bitchassness, right here.  JFC, talk about your snowflakes. 

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I don't think Cheese is dumb but he does seem to suffer from the exact same issue that a lot of the DT regulars who used to come here suffer from. That is they hate liberals and have to own the libs so much that even when faced with something a non-liberal did wrong that's completely legitimate to discuss, they just have to play the what about game. "Yeah, I'll grant Trump fucked everything up and I totes didn't vote for him and absolutely hate him with every fiber of my being, BUT...... WHAT ABOUT FAUCI, CUOMO, DEM GOVERNORS, CDC, BIDEN, etc". Or the usual let's toss out flippant jokey responses to any legitimate point someone is making. It's just astounding. TWO WEEKS! BODIES IN TREES! MASKS FOR LIFE! THEY WERE FAT AND/OR OLD AND WERE GOING TO DIED ANYWAY! Again, 600,000 Americans died. China's an asshole. Yes, we should investigate what went wrong and try to hold them accountable. That doesn't mean we shouldn't look at everything we did wrong here and try to fucking fix it since we're going to deal with another Coronavirus in the future. 

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Well this is sad. I actually thought the thread got on track and was focused on news for a hot minute. Sad to see that it was the OP @Cheeseweasel who couldn't stop himself from making it political again. 

Posted
  On 5/27/2021 at 5:22 PM, dcar00 said:

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-f98d73476a1a4942ca5528fa5dfff70f

hilarious.  we always laugh when some exec says "need to redouble our efforts" when something they did backfired right in their face.

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would you prefer that he obstruct any efforts to seek the truth and fire anyone and everyone that might show a hint of disobedience towards that goal?

why yes, yes you would. 

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  On 5/27/2021 at 5:22 PM, dcar00 said:

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-f98d73476a1a4942ca5528fa5dfff70f

hilarious.  we always laugh when some exec says "need to redouble our efforts" when something they did backfired right in their face.

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Based on this and other reporting, it sounds like the trump admin and pompeo didn't give them much to go on in the way of actual evidence or useful intelligence. Note that the reporting is that the intel community is being ordered by Biden to redouble their efforts, not that Biden "needs to redouble his efforts". 

From the article though, it sounds like there's two leading theories:

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Biden in a statement said the majority of the intelligence community had “coalesced” around those two scenarios but “do not believe there is sufficient information to assess one to be more likely than the other.” He revealed that two agencies lean toward the animal link and “one leans more toward” the lab theory, “each with low or moderate confidence.”

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With the current majority opinion among the low/moderate confidence opinions being that it was animal in origin and not from a lab. 

Posted
  On 5/27/2021 at 5:30 PM, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

would you prefer that he obstruct any efforts to seek the truth and fire anyone and everyone that might show a hint of disobedience towards that goal?

why yes, yes you would. 

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LO fucking L, yeah, Uncle Joe is a truth seeker.  he shut it down earlier but then when the cat got loose he had to "redouble his efforts".  Quit protecting the doddering old fool.  the about face on this is hilarious.

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  On 5/27/2021 at 5:34 PM, dcar00 said:

LO fucking L, yeah, Uncle Joe is a truth seeker.  he shut it down earlier but then when the cat got loose he had to "redouble his efforts".  Quit protecting the doddering old fool.  the about face on this is hilarious.

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ah yes, a MAGA buffoon pulling his best Lt. Kaffee 'I WANT THE TRUTH!'

sorry bubba, you don't get to play that card anymore.

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Would be interesting to know which of the IC agencies break which way.  Would give a sense as to the types of evidence pointing one direction of the other (human intelligence vs. signal).

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  On 5/27/2021 at 5:51 PM, Anastasis said:
Would be interesting to know which of the IC agencies break which way.  Would give a sense as to the types of evidence pointing one direction of the other (human intelligence vs. signal).

I wonder if there is a dossier on any of this.
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  On 5/27/2021 at 6:28 PM, DDD Dad said:


I wonder if there is a dossier on any of this.

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When does a notebook of materials become a dossier?  Is it a sophistication thing?  Does it turn the binder into something more french?  Does it have to start smoking skinny cigarettes and not wearing deodarant?

"Just asking questions."

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Pompeo is using the lab leak idea for political capitol. Where is his evidence?

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Oh, I just realized this is a completely different thread. Dammit. There are now three threads in CR about COVID. Sorry if this is the wrong one. I only post political stuff in the CR and this was in CR so yeah. Good Lord this is a hot mess.
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Posted
  On 5/27/2021 at 6:42 PM, Brisketexan said:

When does a notebook of materials become a dossier?  Is it a sophistication thing?  Does it turn the binder into something more french?  Does it have to start smoking skinny cigarettes and not wearing deodarant?

"Just asking questions."

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It's when it's organized in something glossy. 

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  On 5/27/2021 at 5:36 PM, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

ah yes, a MAGA buffoon pulling his best Lt. Kaffee 'I WANT THE TRUTH!'

sorry bubba, you don't get to play that card anymore.

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Nor do you get to play the "anyone that thinks this was a lab leak is a fucking fascist xenophobe" card anymore.  Matter of fact, you don't have many cards to play other than 600,000 Americans died and we should have done better, which we all agree on.  

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  On 5/27/2021 at 6:42 PM, Brisketexan said:

When does a notebook of materials become a dossier?  Is it a sophistication thing?  Does it turn the binder into something more french?  Does it have to start smoking skinny cigarettes and not wearing deodarant?

"Just asking questions."

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Don't forget about the martini with the skinny cigarettes.  

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  On 5/27/2021 at 7:16 PM, Trey3216 said:

Nor do you get to play the "anyone that thinks this was a lab leak is a fucking fascist xenophobe" card anymore.  Matter of fact, you don't have many cards to play other than 600,000 Americans died and we should have done better, which we all agree on.  

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can i still play the 'anyone that thinks it was a lab leak is a moron' card?

but no, you'd be incorrect if you thought your buds in DT thought 'we should have done better'....in fact, at every step along the way (prior to january 20th), they've routinely spewed 'virus gonna virus' non-sense while yelling 'BUT (insert country)!'

you'll notice post 1/20, they have become INCREDIBLY ANGRY with what they perceive as mixed messages from the government and have placed a massive amount of import towards that messaging. prior to 1/20, not an inkling of concern about the same.

Posted
  On 5/27/2021 at 5:51 PM, Anastasis said:

Would be interesting to know which of the IC agencies break which way.  Would give a sense as to the types of evidence pointing one direction of the other (human intelligence vs. signal).

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LOL, you'll never know.  Keeping it "with the IC's" is a convenient way of saying a wet blanket has been thrown over the whole thing.  Out of sight.  Out of mind.  

If the initial estimates were accurate and China knew, yet covered it up - more than 95% of the global fatalities fall squarely on their shoulders.  

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  On 5/27/2021 at 5:36 PM, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

ah yes, a MAGA buffoon pulling his best Lt. Kaffee 'I WANT THE TRUTH!'

sorry bubba, you don't get to play that card anymore.

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ah yes a member of the dunderhead liberal-ati, when the green curtain on his Russia,Russia,Russia party gets pulled back.  keep at it.

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  On 5/27/2021 at 7:46 PM, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

can i still play the 'anyone that thinks it was a lab leak is a moron' card?

but no, you'd be incorrect if you thought your buds in DT thought 'we should have done better'....in fact, at every step along the way (prior to january 20th), they've routinely spewed 'virus gonna virus' non-sense while yelling 'BUT (insert country)!'

you'll notice post 1/20, they have become INCREDIBLY ANGRY with what they perceive as mixed messages from the government and have placed a massive amount of import towards that messaging. prior to 1/20, not an inkling of concern about the same.

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no one is INCREDIBLY ANGRY OMG OMG.  we are laughing at your ilk who think Biden and his admin are anything but bumbling fools.

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  On 5/27/2021 at 8:21 PM, dcar00 said:

no one is INCREDIBLY ANGRY OMG OMG.  we are laughing at your ilk who think Biden and his admin are anything but bumbling fools.

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No, I'm pretty sure chickensandwich has his jimmies in quite the rustle

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Scientists Don’t Want to Ignore the ‘Lab Leak’ Theory, Despite No New Evidence
Many scientists welcomed President Biden’s call for a more rigorous investigation of a virus lab in Wuhan, China, though they said the so-called lab leak theory was still unlikely.

On the heels of President Biden’s abrupt order to U.S. intelligence agencies to investigate the origins of the coronavirus, many scientists reacted positively, reflecting their push in recent weeks for more information about the work of a virus lab in Wuhan, China. But they cautioned against expecting an answer in the three-month time frame of the president’s request.

After long steering clear of the debate, some influential scientists have lately become more open to expressing uncertainties about the origins of the virus. If the two most vocal poles of the argument are natural spillover vs. laboratory leak, these new voices have added a third point of view: a resounding undecided.

“In the beginning, there was a lot of pressure against speaking up, because it was tied to conspiracies and Trump supporters,” said Akiko Iwasaki, an immunologist at Yale University. “There was very little rational discussion going on in the beginning.”

Virologists still largely lean toward the theory that infected animals — perhaps a bat, or another animal raised for food — spread the virus to humans outside of a lab. There is no direct evidence for the “lab leak” theory that Chinese researchers isolated the virus, which then infected a lab worker.

But China’s integral role in a joint inquiry with the World Health Organization made its dismissal of the lab leak theory difficult to accept, Dr. Iwasaki and 17 other scientists argued in the journal Science this month.

“I typically only speak about a topic publicly if I have some new scientific result that makes me confident about a new discovery or conclusion,” said one of the organizers of that letter, Jesse Bloom, who studies the evolution of viruses at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center. “In the case of SARS-CoV-2 origins, I still am not confident about what happened.”

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that's just natural fucking leadership right there.  Staring right directly into the most powerful solar eclipse in his lifetime in North America.  

That's just fucking balls and you fucking libs are just jealous.  

You know how he beat Covid-19 so easily?  Because of that UV light.  The Sun was obfuscated by the Moon.  So what did Trump do, he shoved his giant fucking noggin as close as he could to the sun.  He opened up his nostrils and his eyeballs and he sucked that injury-causing UV light right into his body like a goddamn champ.  He fucking ate that shit up.  Took at all the UV light the solar eclipse could spare and went back for seconds.  He puts mustard on it and eats the fucking shit.  The blinding light don't even bother him.  Fucking tough as nails.  We were lucky to have him as long as we did.  Fucking pussy Biden probably watched the eclipse through a fucking paper plate he stole at a black cookout.  

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  On 5/27/2021 at 8:31 PM, bolverk said:

Scientists Don’t Want to Ignore the ‘Lab Leak’ Theory, Despite No New Evidence
Many scientists welcomed President Biden’s call for a more rigorous investigation of a virus lab in Wuhan, China, though they said the so-called lab leak theory was still unlikely.

On the heels of President Biden’s abrupt order to U.S. intelligence agencies to investigate the origins of the coronavirus, many scientists reacted positively, reflecting their push in recent weeks for more information about the work of a virus lab in Wuhan, China. But they cautioned against expecting an answer in the three-month time frame of the president’s request.

After long steering clear of the debate, some influential scientists have lately become more open to expressing uncertainties about the origins of the virus. If the two most vocal poles of the argument are natural spillover vs. laboratory leak, these new voices have added a third point of view: a resounding undecided.

“In the beginning, there was a lot of pressure against speaking up, because it was tied to conspiracies and Trump supporters,” said Akiko Iwasaki, an immunologist at Yale University. “There was very little rational discussion going on in the beginning.”

Virologists still largely lean toward the theory that infected animals — perhaps a bat, or another animal raised for food — spread the virus to humans outside of a lab. There is no direct evidence for the “lab leak” theory that Chinese researchers isolated the virus, which then infected a lab worker.

But China’s integral role in a joint inquiry with the World Health Organization made its dismissal of the lab leak theory difficult to accept, Dr. Iwasaki and 17 other scientists argued in the journal Science this month.

“I typically only speak about a topic publicly if I have some new scientific result that makes me confident about a new discovery or conclusion,” said one of the organizers of that letter, Jesse Bloom, who studies the evolution of viruses at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center. “In the case of SARS-CoV-2 origins, I still am not confident about what happened.”

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JFC, there is no evidence because China destroyed all the lab samples and erased all the data and physically destroyed the servers, then "disappeared" at least one scientist and one reporter that dared to question these actions while rest of the entire scientific community has a standing gag order.

Maybe it came from a bat, in caves that were over a thousands miles away, in winter, when there are no bats.  Maybe?  Maybe a level 4 biolab doing GOF research on coronaviruses cited earlier for lax safety protocols and having had scientists die mysteriously from "pneumonia-like" symptoms is all a giant coincidence that it happened right next to where the outbreak started?  Maybe?  So what specifically is this administration doing about it?  Having the "IC" snoop around?  OK?  What's the status?  If this got a fraction of the Mueller coverage, there'd be outrage in the streets if even the few facts we do know were plastered on the evening news.

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  On 5/27/2021 at 12:39 AM, phdhorn said:

 

Combo of a little hubris, new variant infections (UK and India) bad organization, vaccine shipment delays (that one not their fault), and one of the most densely populated countries in the world doing what they might be expected to do - infect.  Like India.  Very surprised it didn't happen last year, so this don't surprise me at all.

They're saying call off the Olympics.  Might have time to rescue it, but it doesn't seem like a good idea at all right now.  I'd recommend a slight change in plans.  Still have them but for instance this would be the diving competition:

 

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Hurdles.

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  On 5/27/2021 at 9:04 PM, BabaYaga said:

Maybe it came from a bat, in caves that were over a thousands miles away, in winter, when there are no bats. 

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Still waiting for someone to give a plausible and concrete explanation, maybe with some basis in actual reality-based evidence, as to how this highly transmissible virus got from a cave in Yunnan where the relevant bat species interact to Wuhan without leaving any trace or trail along the way.  Just connect some dots with evidence. The alternative explanation is pretty straightforward since we know that the WIV researchers were collecting specimens from those very caves and transmitting them back to Wuhan. 

 

 

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  On 5/27/2021 at 9:04 PM, BabaYaga said:

JFC, there is no evidence because China destroyed all the lab samples and erased all the data and physically destroyed the servers, then "disappeared" at least one scientist and one reporter that dared to question these actions while rest of the entire scientific community has a standing gag order.

Maybe it came from a bat, in caves that were over a thousands miles away, in winter, when there are no bats.  Maybe?  Maybe a level 4 biolab doing GOF research on coronaviruses cited earlier for lax safety protocols and having had scientists die mysteriously from "pneumonia-like" symptoms is all a giant coincidence that it happened right next to where the outbreak started?  Maybe?  So what specifically is this administration doing about it?  Having the "IC" snoop around?  OK?  What's the status?  If this got a fraction of the Mueller coverage, there'd be outrage in the streets if even the few facts we do know were plastered on the evening news.

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If China isn't cooperating, then there are fewer options for the international science community to work with. Biden has therefore called on our intelligence community to "re-double their efforts" using whatever tools they have at their disposal. They have been ordered to issue a report within 90 days, which Biden says he'll make public. That's the status.

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Avril D. Haines, the director of national intelligence, has been working with various intelligence agencies, bringing together officials with divergent views to discuss them, to review the shifting science and to push for additional intelligence collection.

Still, Mr. Biden’s order was an abrupt example of presidential intervention in the collection of raw data by those charged with collecting and analyzing intelligence on his behalf. Presidents are often hesitant to appear becoming overly involved in the preparation of the intelligence briefings they receive, though Mr. Biden has been active in asking for intelligence reports on issues including Russian aggressions and domestic terrorism.

The president had asked in March for an internal assessment of the virus’s origins, which was delivered to him two weeks ago in his Presidential Daily Brief of intelligence, according to a senior White House official and an administration official. That started a discussion, the officials said, about declassifying some of the findings and having intelligence officials issue a public statement.

The statement — which described the lack of consensus among intelligence agencies — was ready this week, but Mr. Biden felt it would not help clarify the issue for the public, according to the senior official. And on Tuesday, China took a hard line against cooperating with the W.H.O. on further inquiries, which prompted Mr. Biden to press for a more robust United States investigation, the official said.

 

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  On 5/27/2021 at 6:42 PM, Brisketexan said:

When does a notebook of materials become a dossier?  Is it a sophistication thing?  Does it turn the binder into something more french?  Does it have to start smoking skinny cigarettes and not wearing deodarant?

"Just asking questions."

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Pretty simple. It just has to start dossing.

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  On 5/27/2021 at 9:45 PM, Orale said:

I'm just a simple southern lawyer so I'll ask the dumb question. What's the joke with the ellipses?

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Hayden did his best to clean up the political garbage in one of the thread by editing every single one such that they were just ellipses.  It was a stroke of genius that was only surpassed by the response up thread, or perhaps the idea that handing out some 69 hour banninations would clear this shit up pretty quick. 

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U.S. Is Said to Have Unexamined Intelligence to Pore Over on Virus Origins
Intelligence officials have told the White House that computer analysis may shed light on the mystery.

WASHINGTON — President Biden’s call for a 90-day sprint to understand the origins of the coronavirus pandemic came after intelligence officials told the White House they had a raft of still-unexamined evidence that required additional computer analysis that might shed light on the mystery, according to senior administration officials.

The officials declined to describe the new evidence. But the revelation that they are hoping to apply an extraordinary amount of computer power to the question of whether the virus accidentally leaked from a Chinese laboratory suggests that the government may not have exhausted its databases of Chinese communications, the movement of lab workers and the pattern of the outbreak of the disease around the city of Wuhan.

In addition to marshaling scientific resources, Mr. Biden’s push is intended to prod American allies and intelligence agencies to mine existing information — like intercepts, witnesses or biological evidence — as well as hunt for new intelligence to determine whether the Chinese government covered up an accidental leak.

Mr. Biden committed on Thursday to making the results of the review public, but added a caveat: “unless there’s something I’m unaware of.”

His call for the study has both domestic and international political ramifications. It prompted his critics to argue that the president had dismissed the possibility that the lab was the origin until the Chinese government this week rejected allowing further investigation by the World Health Organization. And, administration officials said, the White House hopes American allies will contribute more vigorously to a serious exploration of a theory that, until now, they considered at best unlikely, and at worst a conspiracy theory.

So far, the effort to glean evidence from intercepted communications within China, a notoriously hard target to penetrate, has yielded little. Current and former intelligence officials say they strongly doubt anyone will find an email or a text message or a document that shows evidence of a lab accident.

One allied nation passed on information that three workers in the Wuhan virological laboratory were hospitalized with serious flulike symptoms in the autumn of 2019. The information about the sickened workers is considered important, but officials cautioned that it did not constitute evidence that they caught the virus at the laboratory — they may have brought it there.

The White House is hoping that allies and partners can tap their networks of human sources to find additional information about what happened inside the laboratory. While the United States has been rebuilding its own sources in China, it has still not fully recovered from the elimination of its network inside the country a decade ago. As a result, having allies press their informants about what went on inside the Wuhan Institute of Virology will be a key part of the intelligence push ahead.

The inquiry has not reached a dead end, a senior Biden administration official said. Officials would not describe the kind of computational analysis they want to do.

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  On 5/27/2021 at 9:19 PM, bolverk said:

If China isn't cooperating, then there are fewer options for the international science community to work with. Biden has therefore called on our intelligence community to "re-double their efforts" using whatever tools they have at their disposal. They have been ordered to issue a report within 90 days, which Biden says he'll make public. That's the status.

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I have my doubts.  The IC's work in the shadows.  If this is purely based upon the current existence of evidence, do you really think they are going to find any after the CCP came down from the mountain and went scorched earth?  It's been sterilized.  

I think Faucci is "coming around" because people are starting to connect the dots about him.  He is THE godfather of GOF research.  He went behind Trump's back to re-initiate this research after Obama shut it down.  There is zero doubt he knows what was going on.  He was the one that gave the greenlight for the latest $3.7M grant for the lab.  There is no GOF research going on anywhere that he is not intimately aware of or consulting for.  I think he's trying to save his own ass.  To reveal his true relationships with this lab and specific research would be political poison for Biden.  Trump's already gone, and should have fired his ass from day one.  But now he's still around and a real problem for the current administration if these revelations come out.  

As for China - There needs to be overt political pressure from the worldwide scientific community for direct access to the labs, samples, data, etc.  We know China destroyed all the lab samples & data, but with the years of research and monies spent, does anything really think there are not copies?  We need to be able to extricate Chinese scientists (and their families) so they can have frank and candid discussions about what really happened without fear of death as happened to the earlier people that spoke out.  

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  On 5/27/2021 at 9:15 PM, Anastasis said:

Still waiting for someone to give a plausible and concrete explanation, maybe with some basis in actual reality-based evidence, as to how this highly transmissible virus got from a cave in Yunnan where the relevant bat species interact to Wuhan without leaving any trace or trail along the way.  

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I'd go one step further.  Forget the caves for a second.  Where were the bats at the time of the initial breakout?  It was winter.  They weren't even in the caves that were 500+ miles away?  So we can say with almost 100% certainty there were not bats at the wet markets.  

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  On 5/28/2021 at 2:51 PM, BabaYaga said:

I have my doubts.  The IC's work in the shadows.  If this is purely based upon the current existence of evidence, do you really think they are going to find any after the CCP came down from the mountain and went scorched earth?  It's been sterilized.  

I think Faucci is "coming around" because people are starting to connect the dots about him.  He is THE godfather of GOF research.  He went behind Trump's back to re-initiate this research after Obama shut it down.  There is zero doubt he knows what was going on.  He was the one that gave the greenlight for the latest $3.7M grant for the lab.  There is no GOF research going on anywhere that he is not intimately aware of or consulting for.  I think he's trying to save his own ass.  To reveal his true relationships with this lab and specific research would be political poison for Biden.  Trump's already gone, and should have fired his ass from day one.  But now he's still around and a real problem for the current administration if these revelations come out.  

As for China - There needs to be overt political pressure from the worldwide scientific community for direct access to the labs, samples, data, etc.  We know China destroyed all the lab samples & data, but with the years of research and monies spent, does anything really think there are not copies?  We need to be able to extricate Chinese scientists (and their families) so they can have frank and candid discussions about what really happened without fear of death as happened to the earlier people that spoke out.  

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...are you seriously alleging that Fauci was weaponizing viruses for China?



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