2021 NBA Offseason Thread: Business as Usual? -- Trades/Free Agency/Retirements/Etc.

[Pimphand 5735]

Let's get Bosh N Wade our of retirement and have a party.

 

[ChickenSandwich 9830]

35 minutes ago, Loch Ness Monster said:

Lakers and Nets want to make sure no other team has a chance smh. 

lol.  One of these is not like the other

[Patrick Bateman 3911]

28 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

By signing Patty Mills?

It's complicated but they were able to convince Griffin to stay on a vets minimum.  Kept Bruce Brown on RFA QO.  They also added a tough forward in James Johnson and got shooting and scoring on the bench with Patty while losing Jeff Green, which will hurt every 3rd game, and Landry Shamet, who's just a guy.  The real interesting part is the Dinwiddie trade, because it's not finalized but it could include sending DeAndre Jordan's shitty contract out and/or adding Kuzma.  No one knows what it'll look like.  Maybe just a first round pick and TPE which could be used to acquire another good rotational player during the season.  Nets, as big taxpayers, didn't have a ton of options but have added a couple of intriguing rookies (who probably get traded) and were able to add shooting, a flexible forward and keep a couple of strong bench pieces.

Not as sexy as LA's offseason, certainly in name value, but they were able to do somethings.  Still need to complete that Dinwiddie trade, let the dust settle to see how they'll take some of their assets to acquire win now pieces.  They mainly need health.

 

[Loch Ness Monster 3533]

Think the Nets are a lock for the Finals if they stay healthy. 

Lakers- well hopefully this is like when old Karl Malone and Gary Payton joined up with Shaq and Kobe.

[closetohumping 17437]

1 hour ago, Patrick Bateman said:

It's complicated but they were able to convince Griffin to stay on a vets minimum.  Kept Bruce Brown on RFA QO.  They also added a tough forward in James Johnson and got shooting and scoring on the bench with Patty while losing Jeff Green, which will hurt every 3rd game, and Landry Shamet, who's just a guy.  The real interesting part is the Dinwiddie trade, because it's not finalized but it could include sending DeAndre Jordan's shitty contract out and/or adding Kuzma.  No one knows what it'll look like.  Maybe just a first round pick and TPE which could be used to acquire another good rotational player during the season.  Nets, as big taxpayers, didn't have a ton of options but have added a couple of intriguing rookies (who probably get traded) and were able to add shooting, a flexible forward and keep a couple of strong bench pieces.

Not as sexy as LA's offseason, certainly in name value, but they were able to do somethings.  Still need to complete that Dinwiddie trade, let the dust settle to see how they'll take some of their assets to acquire win now pieces.  They mainly need health.

 

Saying LA’s off season is sexy is an admission that you like granny porn.  Horrible adds

[Kermit 3156]

3 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Saying LA’s off season is sexy is an admission that you like granny porn.  Horrible adds

Can’t beat experience!

[Patrick Bateman 3911]

10 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Saying LA’s off season is sexy is an admission that you like granny porn.  Horrible adds

Just resigned Horton-Tucker and signed Kendrick Dunn as a UFA with an exception.  And they've had sexy names added was the implication, not sure how all of those guys integrate or if they can still play but names like Dwight, Melo, Westbrook, and Ariza have cast pretty long shadows the last couple of decades in the league.  Reminds a little of the Malone/Payton version of the Lakers.

[Sbbruin 21833]

2 hours ago, TonyTexas said:

Lakers next year

 

 

Not sure I can argue this point.

[Sbbruin 21833]

42 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Saying LA’s off season is sexy is an admission that you like granny porn.  

[closetohumping 17437]

2 minutes ago, Sbbruin said:

[Underdog 28589]

8 hours ago, Llogg said:

I missed that Jarett Allen got paid by the Cavs. $100M/5yrs.

Good to see he didn't take the Nerlens Noel route...  Nerlens, we're offering $90 million...  Nah, I'm good.  Don't remember what paltry contract he ended up signing. 

[Aqua Buddha 14582]

 

[d2o 1602]

 

 

[d2o 1602]

 

Really surprised by this one.    Thought Presti would hold him long enough to try and trade him for picks

 

[SilasCoade 2622]

2 minutes ago, d2o said:

 

Really surprised by this one.    Thought Presti would hold him long enough to try and trade him for picks

 

Happy for Kemba, but also surprised Presti couldn't find an acceptable trade for him. Not sure how he fits with the Knicks though. Dallas should kick the tires on signing him.

[Mitch Cumsteen 18547]

7 minutes ago, Llogg said:

Happy for Kemba, but also surprised Presti couldn't find an acceptable trade for him. Not sure how he fits with the Knicks though. Dallas should kick the tires on signing him.

He's signing with the Knicks for $8 million reportedly. Not sure how many years. I don't know if his knee is toast but that's a great signing by NY. 

[Aqua Buddha 14582]

Teams didn’t want to risk on Kemba.  Major injury red flags, especially with that contract.  I thought he’d be able to get more but I guess not.

[d2o 1602]

8 minutes ago, Llogg said:

Happy for Kemba, but also surprised Presti couldn't find an acceptable trade for him. Not sure how he fits with the Knicks though. Dallas should kick the tires on signing him.

Yep, Presti was able to flip the pick they got with him for 2 more picks but still figured he would try to get more.   His agent must've been very convincing.    Kemba is from NYC and has always wanted to play there.   Not really a Thibs kinda guy but who is their pg now?

 

 

[SilasCoade 2622]

Just now, d2o said:

Yep, Presti was able to flip the pick they got with him for 2 more picks but still figured he would try to get more.   His agent must've been very convincing.    Kemba is from NYC and has always wanted to play there.   Not really a Thibs kinda guy but who is their pg now?

 

 

I guess I was thinking Kemba's no longer a starting PG in the league and they already have Rose locked up as that 6th man/backup PG role. Maybe they'll continue the Randle as point-forward strategy.

[HtownHorn 14674]

Looking at their roster, Kemba is going to be starter if he is healthy. Looks like Walker and Fournier are the starters with Rose and Burks as the backups. Which makes no sense considering it looks like they struck gold in Quickley.

[Message Board User 12395]

I think Kemba had over $70 million left on his deal; I’d be curious to know how much, if any, he gave back to OKC or if OKC said fuck it and just wrote one hell of a check.

[Patrick Bateman 3911]

31 minutes ago, Llogg said:

I guess I was thinking Kemba's no longer a starting PG in the league and they already have Rose locked up as that 6th man/backup PG role. Maybe they'll continue the Randle as point-forward strategy.

Probably.  Kemba's not really a great facilitator.  Much more of a scoring guard in a point guard's body.  If his knee can handle it, I'm going to guess he soaks up Payton's minutes.

 

Edited August 4, 2021 by Patrick Bateman

[HtownHorn 14674]

They had a nice core developing around Quickley, Barrett, Randle, and Robinson. I guess you could include Toppin in that core too. But why the long term commitments to guys that don't raise your ceiling in Fournier and Rose.

[d2o 1602]

42 minutes ago, HtownHorn said:

They had a nice core developing around Quickley, Barrett, Randle, and Robinson. I guess you could include Toppin in that core too. But why the long term commitments to guys that don't raise your ceiling in Fournier and Rose.

Yeah, the young guys were playing well but that is not Thibbs style generally.    If you are going to have him as a coach you are going to have a vet laden lineup

 

[d2o 1602]

 

 

 

[Zonahorn 8079]

I like what the Pelicans have done. We got rid of Bledsoe, everything else has been gravy.

[d2o 1602]

15 minutes ago, Zonahorn said:

I like what the Pelicans have done. We got rid of Bledsoe, everything else has been gravy.

Exactly.   They've won the off-season

[d2o 1602]

 

Edited August 4, 2021 by d2o

[Aqua Buddha 14582]

Interesting.  Had to look up the Stephen provision:

 

 

[dingleberryswitzer 2724]

10 hours ago, Message Board User said:

I think Kemba had over $70 million left on his deal; I’d be curious to know how much, if any, he gave back to OKC or if OKC said fuck it and just wrote one hell of a check.

Yea that’s a huge number.  Not sure why okc would buy him out at that price.  

[BigOrange1 6433]

6 hours ago, Zonahorn said:

I like what the Pelicans have done. We got rid of Bledsoe, everything else has been gravy.

you're pretty fired up about the devonte graham/thomas satoransky backcourt are you?

[Zonahorn 8079]

11 minutes ago, BigOrange1 said:

you're pretty fired up about the devonte graham/thomas satoransky backcourt are you?

Graham and Sato are totally serviceable as a starter back up duo. I'd also have them and their contracts instead of Lonzo at 4/85

[ztejas 43417]

On 8/3/2021 at 4:17 PM, Patrick Bateman said:

Reminds a little of the Malone/Payton version of the Lakers.

It's exactly what it is. And I give it a 95% chance of failing just like that one did. 

Westbrook is an absolute fucking cancer. I don't care who he's playing with. And I'm bearish on LeBron and AD being able to play 70+ games including the playoffs.

Obviously I'm biased because I hate the fucking Lakers but Westbrook at this point is like that crazy bitch that you try and keep from coming to your chill house party because when she shows up she makes everything about her, gets way too drunk, and starts fights with anyone willing to give her attention. 

15 minutes ago, Zonahorn said:

Graham and Sato are totally serviceable as a starter back up duo. I'd also have them and their contracts instead of Lonzo at 4/85

Graham is an upgrade over Lonzo. Especially with Zion and JoVal on your team. Pels are clear winners of this off-season and it isn't close so far. 

[Catdaddyhorn 3444]

23 minutes ago, ztejas said:

It's exactly what it is. And I give it a 95% chance of failing just like that one did. 

Westbrook is an absolute fucking cancer. I don't care who he's playing with. And I'm bearish on LeBron and AD being able to play 70+ games including the playoffs.

Obviously I'm biased because I hate the fucking Lakers but Westbrook at this point is like that crazy bitch that you try and keep from coming to your chill house party because when she shows up she makes everything about her, gets way too drunk, and starts fights with anyone willing to give her attention. 

Graham is an upgrade over Lonzo. Especially with Zion and JoVal on your team. Pels are clear winners of this off-season and it isn't close so far. 

Even David Griffin, the Pelicans GM,  doesn't believe this. 

[ztejas 43417]

6 minutes ago, Catdaddyhorn said:

Even David Griffin, the Pelicans GM,  doesn't believe this. 

Graham had a bad year last year but was constantly banged up. If he can shake the rust off and stay healthy he will be a better fit than Zo at that position. His shooting numbers will improve now that he isn't on a dogshit Hornets team lacking any sort of vision. 

[Patrick Bateman 3911]

8 minutes ago, Catdaddyhorn said:

Even David Griffin, the Pelicans GM,  doesn't believe this. 

I'm not a fan of games like Graham's, which are all 3 point centric.  If you can't shoot 42% or more in the league total, maybe start refining your game.  That said, these GMs and coaches are absolutely okay with it so whatever.  Getting back to Graham/Ball.  If you think about value per dollar, I think Graham is probably the better value.  Ball at 85m isn't really a great value IMO.  

[shadow_operative 15932]

[shadow_operative 15932]

if Lonzo's shot keeps getting better he is going to start being looked at in a whole new light fairly soon. 

[Patrick Bateman 3911]

8 minutes ago, shadow_operative said:

if Lonzo's shot keeps getting better he is going to start being looked at in a whole new light fairly soon. 

As a pretty good player, yes.  But a 15 PER, .90 WS/48, 1.6 BPM doesn't scream star.  Lonzo's best attribute may be his defensive versatility thus far.  If he takes another jump with his play making then he maybe could be a 3 on a championship contender, but he's a long way off right now.  Still very young.

[ztejas 43417]

12 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

I'm not a fan of games like Graham's, which are all 3 point centric.  If you can't shoot 42% or more in the league total, maybe start refining your game.  That said, these GMs and coaches are absolutely okay with it so whatever.  Getting back to Graham/Ball.  If you think about value per dollar, I think Graham is probably the better value.  Ball at 85m isn't really a great value IMO.  

Graham gets to the line about twice as much as Ball and shoots 84%. He's also a better ball handler and has better court vision - he has just never had anything to work with in his career. I'm not saying he's a better player in a vacuum than Lonzo but I like his upside on the Pels better than Lonzo. He has more floor general potential and can create his own shot a bit better. 

This isn't me knocking Lonzo - I think he's a good player. I just think Graham has the potential to develop some special chemistry with what will be an elite frontcourt and make an efficiency jump on top of it. He was an 18/7.5 player 2 years ago. 

Also - Zo's scoring is just as much predicated on the 3 ball as Graham's if not more so. So if you want to make that criticism then include both of them. 

[ztejas 43417]

15 minutes ago, shadow_operative said:

If LeBron is worried that I'm ever going to do anything but vehemently hate the Lakers whether it's warranted or not then he's sorely mistaken. 

[closetohumping 17437]

Bulls did well.  
 

back to the Lakers didn’t Westbrook already get melo kicked off his team once already.  Russell is basically a smaller, much shittier version of lebron 

only player who averaged 4 turnovers the last 7 years?  Ranked 33rd out of 34 players that averaged 20 ppp in true shooting percentage?

[ztejas 43417]

6 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

back to the Lakers didn’t Westbrook already get melo kicked off his team once already.  Russell is basically a smaller, much shittier version of lebron 

only player who averaged 4 turnovers the last 7 years?  Ranked 33rd out of 34 players that averaged 20 ppp in true shooting percentage?

It's just LeBron's hubris and continuance in acting as GM whenever he wants. He thinks he can save everyone's career and prove everyone wrong because of how great he is. 

[Kermit 3156]

1 hour ago, shadow_operative said:

Okay.

[closetohumping 17437]

2 minutes ago, ztejas said:

It's just LeBron's hubris and continuance in acting as GM whenever he wants. He thinks he can save everyone's career and prove everyone wrong because of how great he is. 

Let’s see how long Russ will want to be option 3.   Fourth team in four years.  Maybe it’s him that’s the issue

[d2o 1602]

10 hours ago, Catdaddyhorn said:

Even David Griffin, the Pelicans GM,  doesn't believe this. 

I joked about the winning by getting rid of Bledsoe but no they made some marginal improvements I guess.    I'd say CHI prolly had the best offseason so far.   Followed by the Lakers and the Heat

Edited August 5, 2021 by d2o

[HtownHorn 14674]

I like Graham a lot, he was basically forced out once the Hornets got Ball 2.0, so I suspect he will have a sizable chip on his shoulder and a lot more talent in Williamson and Ingram. The best thing the Pelicans did was fire the shitty Van Gundy.

[SilasCoade 2622]

1 hour ago, d2o said:

I joked about the winning by getting rid of Bledsoe but no they made some marginal improvements I guess.    I'd say CHI prolly had the best offseason so far.   Followed by the Lakers and the Heat

Is that a joke about the Lakers? They got worse.

[d2o 1602]

1 hour ago, Llogg said:

Is that a joke about the Lakers? They got worse.

Nope.  Only loss I really have an issue with is KCP.   Kuz is never going to be anything more than he is and Trez just didnt fit.    I dont love the spacing issues that Russ will bring but overall he is an improvement over any of the guys they lost.   The role player additions I really like Ariza, Melo, Nunn, Monk, Baze, Dwight and Ellington.

 

[d2o 1602]

Final tally on the 5 team trade