Southwest or every other airline in the history of the world?

[HenryJames 66,034]

19 hours ago, PilotsError said:

The entire airline industry fucked up way back when by not making planes with two exits, front and back, and not designing airports around that.

Well I don't think we need Boeing adding another door to the plane.

[DaysOff 7,946]

Every airliner has an aft boarding door. It's a choice not to use it.

[Js1 85,260]

But that's 5 fewer planes they can deboard at the same time, so no.

[elfenix 34,221]

I can only imagine how many times someone went through the left gate when they should have gone right and ended up in sunny downtown Burbank on accident 

[Your Mom 4,805]

49 minutes ago, Js1 said:

But that's 5 fewer planes they can deboard at the same time, so no.

SWA does it by deplaning down stairs in the back and then you walk a coned-off route on the tarmac to the terminal.  You end up at the same gate as the folks deplaning from the front.  Burbank always does it, Long Beach and Sacramento sometimes do it.  Depends on the staffing at the station at the time.  They don’t board that way though, just deplaning.  

[Gil Bang 25,907]

2 hours ago, HenryJames said:

Well I don't think we need Boeing adding another door to the plane.

 

3 minutes ago, Your Mom said:

SWA does it by deplaning down stairs in the back and then you walk a coned-off route on the tarmac to the terminal.  You end up at the same gate as the folks deplaning from the front.  Burbank always does it, Long Beach and Sacramento sometimes do it.  Depends on the staffing at the station at the time.  They don’t board that way though, just deplaning.  

ONT did it back in the old days.

[HenryJames 66,034]

I hate boarding more than deplaning. 

[elfenix 34,221]

18 minutes ago, Your Mom said:

SWA does it by deplaning down stairs in the back and then you walk a coned-off route on the tarmac to the terminal.  You end up at the same gate as the folks deplaning from the front.  Burbank always does it, Long Beach and Sacramento sometimes do it.  Depends on the staffing at the station at the time.  They don’t board that way though, just deplaning.  

LBC doesn't have jetways so everyone walks on the apron, iirc.

[Sam Lin 3,550]

Remembered many airports support 3 jetbridges for the a380. One upstairs, two downstairs. Of course it isn't so much to board quicker as it is to keep riffraff away from the hoi polloi.

[Mother mopar 3,318]

Remembered many airports support 3 jetbridges for the a380. One upstairs, two downstairs. Of course it isn't so much to board quicker as it is to keep riffraff away from the hoi polloi.

Fly the DFW-LHR/LHR-DFW 380 route monthly, and upper deck boarding is so much easier than the cattle cart downstairs.

[PilotsError 2,286]

20 hours ago, DaysOff said:

Every airliner has an aft boarding door. It's a choice not to use it.

 

My error.

[RPM 26,315]

Southwest Airlines flight to Hawaiian island plunges, comes within 400 feet of Pacific Ocean

A Southwest Airlines Boeing 737 Max 8 aircraft came within 400 feet of slamming into the Pacific Ocean off the coast of the Hawaiian island of Kauai after weather conditions forced pilots to swiftly change course. 

A Southwest Airlines memo to pilots, obtained by Bloomberg News, detailed Southwest Flight 2786 from the April 11 flight from Honolulu International Airport to Lihue Airport in Kauai.

Passengers were left white-knuckled after the aircraft dropped from nearly 16,000 feet to an altitude of 409 feet.

According to the Southwest memo, the incident occurred following an aborted landing attempt due to bad weather that blocked pilots from seeing the runway at the specified altitude.

The memo noted that the captain opted to put the "newer" first officer in command of the 100-mile interisland flight, despite the pending weather.

The less-experienced first officer "inadvertently" pushed forward on the control column, which controls the plane's pitch and roll, then cut the speed, causing the airplane to rapidly descend. 

The pilot's aggressive movement prompted the warning system to sound the alarm that the passenger aircraft was getting too close to the terrain.

The memo said that the captain ordered the first officer to increase thrust – prompting the aircraft to "climb aggressively" at 8,500 feet per minute.

The interisland flight, which should have been approximately 22 minutes long, departed Honolulu at 6:45 p.m., but following the incident, the plane returned to Honolulu at 8:09 p.m.

No one was injured during the hair-raising ride.

In a statement to Fox News Digital, a Southwest Airlines spokesperson said that "the event was addressed appropriately."

"Nothing is more important to Southwest than safety," the spokesperson said. "Through our robust Safety Management System, the event was addressed appropriately as we always strive for continuous improvement." 

The Federal Aviation Administration told Fox News Digital that it is "investigating the incident."

[Nueces River Rat 5,537]

1 hour ago, RPM said:

Southwest Airlines flight to Hawaiian island plunges, comes within 400 feet of Pacific Ocean

A Southwest Airlines Boeing 737 Max 8 aircraft came within 400 feet of slamming into the Pacific Ocean off the coast of the Hawaiian island of Kauai after weather conditions forced pilots to swiftly change course. 

A Southwest Airlines memo to pilots, obtained by Bloomberg News, detailed Southwest Flight 2786 from the April 11 flight from Honolulu International Airport to Lihue Airport in Kauai.

Passengers were left white-knuckled after the aircraft dropped from nearly 16,000 feet to an altitude of 409 feet.

According to the Southwest memo, the incident occurred following an aborted landing attempt due to bad weather that blocked pilots from seeing the runway at the specified altitude.

The memo noted that the captain opted to put the "newer" first officer in command of the 100-mile interisland flight, despite the pending weather.

The less-experienced first officer "inadvertently" pushed forward on the control column, which controls the plane's pitch and roll, then cut the speed, causing the airplane to rapidly descend. 

The pilot's aggressive movement prompted the warning system to sound the alarm that the passenger aircraft was getting too close to the terrain.

The memo said that the captain ordered the first officer to increase thrust – prompting the aircraft to "climb aggressively" at 8,500 feet per minute.

The interisland flight, which should have been approximately 22 minutes long, departed Honolulu at 6:45 p.m., but following the incident, the plane returned to Honolulu at 8:09 p.m.

No one was injured during the hair-raising ride.

In a statement to Fox News Digital, a Southwest Airlines spokesperson said that "the event was addressed appropriately."

"Nothing is more important to Southwest than safety," the spokesperson said. "Through our robust Safety Management System, the event was addressed appropriately as we always strive for continuous improvement." 

The Federal Aviation Administration told Fox News Digital that it is "investigating the incident."

[Aqua Buddha 14,581]

What.  The.  Fuck?

Isn’t that like basic pilot 101 stuff?

[Brisketexan 105,047]

What.  The.  Fuck?
Isn’t that like basic pilot 101 stuff?

Sorry, “don’t smack the plane into the ground” is a graduate level course these days. It’s taught in parallel with the aerospace engineering course called “design and build planes that don’t fall apart in mid air.” Pretty advanced stuff.

[Surly Bevo 24,908]

 

[Incredulity 11,645]

17 hours ago, RPM said:

Southwest Airlines flight to Hawaiian island plunges, comes within 400 feet of Pacific Ocean

A Southwest Airlines Boeing 737 Max 8 aircraft came within 400 feet of slamming into the Pacific Ocean off the coast of the Hawaiian island of Kauai after weather conditions forced pilots to swiftly change course. 

A Southwest Airlines memo to pilots, obtained by Bloomberg News, detailed Southwest Flight 2786 from the April 11 flight from Honolulu International Airport to Lihue Airport in Kauai.

Passengers were left white-knuckled after the aircraft dropped from nearly 16,000 feet to an altitude of 409 feet.

According to the Southwest memo, the incident occurred following an aborted landing attempt due to bad weather that blocked pilots from seeing the runway at the specified altitude.

The memo noted that the captain opted to put the "newer" first officer in command of the 100-mile interisland flight, despite the pending weather.

The less-experienced first officer "inadvertently" pushed forward on the control column, which controls the plane's pitch and roll, then cut the speed, causing the airplane to rapidly descend. 

The pilot's aggressive movement prompted the warning system to sound the alarm that the passenger aircraft was getting too close to the terrain.

The memo said that the captain ordered the first officer to increase thrust – prompting the aircraft to "climb aggressively" at 8,500 feet per minute.

The interisland flight, which should have been approximately 22 minutes long, departed Honolulu at 6:45 p.m., but following the incident, the plane returned to Honolulu at 8:09 p.m.

No one was injured during the hair-raising ride.

In a statement to Fox News Digital, a Southwest Airlines spokesperson said that "the event was addressed appropriately."

"Nothing is more important to Southwest than safety," the spokesperson said. "Through our robust Safety Management System, the event was addressed appropriately as we always strive for continuous improvement." 

The Federal Aviation Administration told Fox News Digital that it is "investigating the incident."

[Gil Bang 25,907]

On 6/13/2024 at 1:07 PM, elfenix said:

LBC doesn't have jetways so everyone walks on the apron, iirc.

So much drama...

[HornOnTheBayou 8,904]

On a Southwest flight this afternoon and as we're boarding, the flight attendants are telling us that the flight is not even half-full, so everyone will have plenty of room. I grab the window seat in the first empty row I see. One row in front of me are two quite attractive young ladies. The last guy to board is a rather obese, middle-aged man (not sure what his surly handle is) and he plops himself down right in between these two women. The women try to tell him that there are plenty of seats on the plane and they don't have to have three in a row, but he tells them he's cool with the middle seat. The woman in the window seat finally gets up angry as hell and sits in the aisle seat next to me.

I'm not exactly sure how this guy saw the whole scenario playing out in his head, but as Michael Scott once said, "You miss 100% of the shots you don't take."

[elfenix 34,221]

19 minutes ago, HornOnTheBayou said:

On a Southwest flight this afternoon and as we're boarding, the flight attendants are telling us that the flight is not even half-full, so everyone will have plenty of room. I grab the window seat in the first empty row I see. One row in front of me are two quite attractive young ladies. The last guy to board is a rather obese, middle-aged man (not sure what his surly handle is) and he plops himself down right in between these two women. The women try to tell him that there are plenty of seats on the plane and they don't have to have three in a row, but he tells them he's cool with the middle seat. The woman in the window seat finally gets up angry as hell and sits in the aisle seat next to me.

I'm not exactly sure how this guy saw the whole scenario playing out in his head, but as Michael Scott once said, "You miss 100% of the shots you don't take."

so did you cum or what?

[Carl Spackler 3,479]

1 hour ago, HornOnTheBayou said:

On a Southwest flight this afternoon and as we're boarding, the flight attendants are telling us that the flight is not even half-full, so everyone will have plenty of room. I grab the window seat in the first empty row I see. One row in front of me are two quite attractive young ladies. The last guy to board is a rather obese, middle-aged man (not sure what his surly handle is) and he plops himself down right in between these two women. The women try to tell him that there are plenty of seats on the plane and they don't have to have three in a row, but he tells them he's cool with the middle seat. The woman in the window seat finally gets up angry as hell and sits in the aisle seat next to me.

I'm not exactly sure how this guy saw the whole scenario playing out in his head, but as Michael Scott once said, "You miss 100% of the shots you don't take."

Pics are not loading for some reason.

[Party_Taco 3,723]

In ATL and I just witnessed no less than 10 folks in wheelchairs stand up and pre-board with their guests…

What are we even doing here?!

[RPM 26,315]

On 6/18/2024 at 7:35 PM, HornOnTheBayou said:

On a Southwest flight this afternoon and as we're boarding, the flight attendants are telling us that the flight is not even half-full, so everyone will have plenty of room. I grab the window seat in the first empty row I see. One row in front of me are two quite attractive young ladies. The last guy to board is a rather obese, middle-aged man (not sure what his surly handle is) and he plops himself down right in between these two women. The women try to tell him that there are plenty of seats on the plane and they don't have to have three in a row, but he tells them he's cool with the middle seat. The woman in the window seat finally gets up angry as hell and sits in the aisle seat next to me.

I'm not exactly sure how this guy saw the whole scenario playing out in his head, but as Michael Scott once said, "You miss 100% of the shots you don't take."

Don't hate the playa

[Scary Stranger 1,714]

In ATL and I just witnessed no less than 10 folks in wheelchairs stand up and pre-board with their guests…

What are we even doing here?!

See this all the time. Have to be wheelchaired on but they jog off when deplaning under their own power.

[HenryJames 66,034]

On 6/18/2024 at 7:35 PM, HornOnTheBayou said:

On a Southwest flight this afternoon and as we're boarding, the flight attendants are telling us that the flight is not even half-full, so everyone will have plenty of room. I grab the window seat in the first empty row I see. One row in front of me are two quite attractive young ladies. The last guy to board is a rather obese, middle-aged man (not sure what his surly handle is) and he plops himself down right in between these two women. The women try to tell him that there are plenty of seats on the plane and they don't have to have three in a row, but he tells them he's cool with the middle seat. The woman in the window seat finally gets up angry as hell and sits in the aisle seat next to me.

I'm not exactly sure how this guy saw the whole scenario playing out in his head, but as Michael Scott once said, "You miss 100% of the shots you don't take."

[NeverMarryAStripper 21,869]

On 6/18/2024 at 7:35 PM, HornOnTheBayou said:

On a Southwest flight this afternoon and as we're boarding, the flight attendants are telling us that the flight is not even half-full, so everyone will have plenty of room. I grab the window seat in the first empty row I see. One row in front of me are two quite attractive young ladies. The last guy to board is a rather obese, middle-aged man (not sure what his surly handle is) and he plops himself down right in between these two women. The women try to tell him that there are plenty of seats on the plane and they don't have to have three in a row, but he tells them he's cool with the middle seat. The woman in the window seat finally gets up angry as hell and sits in the aisle seat next to me.

I'm not exactly sure how this guy saw the whole scenario playing out in his head, but as Michael Scott once said, "You miss 100% of the shots you don't take."

Based on what's been happening lately, he was probably planning on whipping it out and wanking

[Carl Spackler 3,479]

On 6/11/2024 at 8:57 AM, gernblansten said:

I was A3 recently. With pre-boarding, I was the 22nd person to get on the plane. 

 

[The Ace of Aces 5,175]

Have to be in Austin in late July. Southwest is asking $760 one way from BWI. Sure, Jan. 

[Aqua Buddha 14,581]

Good Lord:

A Boeing 737 aircraft suddenly plummeted to less than 500 feet off the ground over Oklahoma, terrifying residents who feared the jet was going to crash.

Southwest Airlines Flight 4069 was nine miles away from Will Rogers World Airport just after midnight on Wednesday when records show the 737 dived to between 400 and 500 feet as it flew over a high school in the city of Yukon.

Doorbell camera footage showed the Boeing 737 MAX-8 then hovering above houses, before it flies out of frame. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13553621/Oklahoma-Southwest-Boeing-737-500-ft-neighborhood.html

[CHIEF 5,075]

Mrs. CHIEF is having to fly, to California, for work about once or twice per month. She has pretty much always flown Southwest. I told her one of these times, when they experience a severe decent it ain't gonna stop at 400-500 feet, it will be a smoking hole. American it is, until SWA figures something out. These incidents are gonna wreak havoc on their earnings.

CHIEF

[Skipper 6,127]

Put me in the category of hoping new management takes over and somehow shakes things up and turns it around.  I strongly prefer to fly out of Love but also pretty much done with SWA at this point due to all the things mentioned in this thread (completely inability to manage multi-day weather event until proven otherwise, ridiculous boarding and pre-boarding process and apparently now close calls on flights).

[Aqua Buddha 14,581]

Yeah, these seem to be basic pilot errors.  What the fuck is going on?

[kevwun 15,758]

The same thing happening with the same model of plane seems to point to a plane issue especially when said model has had a litany of other problems.

[Gil Bang 25,907]

5 hours ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Good Lord:

A Boeing 737 aircraft suddenly plummeted to less than 500 feet off the ground over Oklahoma, terrifying residents who feared the jet was going to crash.

Southwest Airlines Flight 4069 was nine miles away from Will Rogers World Airport just after midnight on Wednesday when records show the 737 dived to between 400 and 500 feet as it flew over a high school in the city of Yukon.

Doorbell camera footage showed the Boeing 737 MAX-8 then hovering above houses, before it flies out of frame. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13553621/Oklahoma-Southwest-Boeing-737-500-ft-neighborhood.html

so sucked toward Oklahoma?

[DaysOff 7,946]

Yeah, these seem to be basic pilot errors.  What the fuck is going on?

Basic pilot errors.

[Frank Drebin 5,654]

1 hour ago, DaysOff said:

Basic pilot errors.

Is there something fundamentally wrong with the design?  Because this line seems akin to Greg Davis and Mack claiming the players were failing to execute against OU.

[WBT 20,560]

Quote

Doorbell camera footage showed the Boeing 737 MAX-8 then hovering above houses, before it flies out of frame. 

planes don't hover sweetie

[NeverMarryAStripper 21,869]

[Biff Tannen 45,661]

On 6/11/2024 at 10:38 PM, Steel Shank said:

Move your shit, Brisket.

 

He’s a fancyboy 

[Biff Tannen 45,661]

On 6/15/2024 at 2:57 AM, RPM said:

Southwest Airlines flight to Hawaiian island plunges, comes within 400 feet of Pacific Ocean

A Southwest Airlines Boeing 737 Max 8 aircraft came within 400 feet of slamming into the Pacific Ocean off the coast of the Hawaiian island of Kauai after weather conditions forced pilots to swiftly change course. 

A Southwest Airlines memo to pilots, obtained by Bloomberg News, detailed Southwest Flight 2786 from the April 11 flight from Honolulu International Airport to Lihue Airport in Kauai.

Passengers were left white-knuckled after the aircraft dropped from nearly 16,000 feet to an altitude of 409 feet.

According to the Southwest memo, the incident occurred following an aborted landing attempt due to bad weather that blocked pilots from seeing the runway at the specified altitude.

The memo noted that the captain opted to put the "newer" first officer in command of the 100-mile interisland flight, despite the pending weather.

The less-experienced first officer "inadvertently" pushed forward on the control column, which controls the plane's pitch and roll, then cut the speed, causing the airplane to rapidly descend. 

The pilot's aggressive movement prompted the warning system to sound the alarm that the passenger aircraft was getting too close to the terrain.

The memo said that the captain ordered the first officer to increase thrust – prompting the aircraft to "climb aggressively" at 8,500 feet per minute.

The interisland flight, which should have been approximately 22 minutes long, departed Honolulu at 6:45 p.m., but following the incident, the plane returned to Honolulu at 8:09 p.m.

No one was injured during the hair-raising ride.

In a statement to Fox News Digital, a Southwest Airlines spokesperson said that "the event was addressed appropriately."

"Nothing is more important to Southwest than safety," the spokesperson said. "Through our robust Safety Management System, the event was addressed appropriately as we always strive for continuous improvement." 

The Federal Aviation Administration told Fox News Digital that it is "investigating the incident."

 

14 hours ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Good Lord:

A Boeing 737 aircraft suddenly plummeted to less than 500 feet off the ground over Oklahoma, terrifying residents who feared the jet was going to crash.

Southwest Airlines Flight 4069 was nine miles away from Will Rogers World Airport just after midnight on Wednesday when records show the 737 dived to between 400 and 500 feet as it flew over a high school in the city of Yukon.

Doorbell camera footage showed the Boeing 737 MAX-8 then hovering above houses, before it flies out of frame. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13553621/Oklahoma-Southwest-Boeing-737-500-ft-neighborhood.html

I’ve got three Southwest flights in the next two months. 
 

[Updawg 2,266]

So they are literally trying to run the company into the ground now

[NeverMarryAStripper 21,869]

Unless all of their planes run into the ground first

[gmr548 16,576]

On 6/21/2024 at 1:02 PM, Frank Drebin said:

Is there something fundamentally wrong with the design?  Because this line seems akin to Greg Davis and Mack claiming the players were failing to execute against OU.

Jesus Christ, put a trigger warning on this shit.

[Hagbard Celine 10,848]

we're getting closer

A Southwest Airlines Boeing 737 from Portland, Maine to Baltimore reportedly took off from a runway that had been closed on Tuesday of this week – and there was a vehicle on the runway at the time.  The plane couldn’t be reached – they weren’t responsive on the common traffic advisory frequency – either tuned to the wrong frequency or with an inoperative radio.  From what I can figure from LiveATC, a Southwest flight departed PWM on a closed runway with an ops vehicle on it. This happened before the ATC tower opened for the day. Nobody at PWM could reach Southwest flight because they seemed to not be on the common radio frequency. https://t.co/KzQfxveluG

    — Jason Rabinowitz (@AirlineFlyer) June 27, 2024

[Hagbard Celine 10,848]

i can't believe no comments on this one....  it really is the worst one yet...   comair 5191 holla

the last "crash" (many/all killed) in the US was colgan 3407 in 09....     we are getting very close to something happening.....

++++++++++++++

moar data:

The airport wasn’t closed. The tower wasn’t yet open.

The tower frequency (not yet in effect) and the CTAF frequency are the same, so either they had the wrong frequency or a comms issue, or it was early in the morning and it was too much hassle to make CTAF calls for them.

If tower is closed you can still take off, and if there’s no traffic, it’s usually faster. They should still have made calls for leaving the ramp, entering the runway, leaving the active (runway).

There is indeed a NOTAM:
PWM 06/168 PWM RWY 11/29 CLSD EXC XNG AND TAX THU FRI MON TUE WED 0230-0945 2406200230-2407310945

That’s KPWM (the airport) NOTAM# 06/143, At PNM runway 11/29 (same pavement, opposite directions) CLOSED except for crossing and taxi. Effective Thursday, Friday, Monday-Wednesday 0230z-0945z. Full date/time is 2024-06-20 0230z – 2024-07-31 0945z.

They were not up to date on the NOTAMs and are either used to using that runway or had preplanned it as it was closest to the ramp. Not being up to date on the NOTAMS is a violation of FARS §91.103 “…Preflight Action directs pilots to become familiar with all available information concerning a planned flight prior to departure, including NOTAMs.”

Closed runways are typically marked with big X’s at the ends, but as the runway was clear for taxi and crossing likely wasn’t marked at intermediate instersections. They could have entered at F, E, D, or C “as if to taxi to runway 18/36” without seeing the X at either end.

As for the ops vehicle, it being 5:43, and sunrise being 5:02, may have turned his lights/flashers off.

[PilotsError 2,286]

It's starting to feel like we're going to have two or three in one day here soon.  Slow slow slow...all at once!

[Gil Bang 25,907]

AA cut a deal with the flight attendant's union today, averting a likely strike. 

[closetohumping 17,433]

On 6/21/2024 at 1:02 PM, Frank Drebin said:

Is there something fundamentally wrong with the design?  Because this line seems akin to Greg Davis and Mack claiming the players were failing to execute against OU.

Dj monroe in boarding group never

[Hagbard Celine 10,848]

i have to fly southwest in september

i'm not happy about it.....

++++

 

This comes less than a month after a Southwest Airlines flight descended to just over 500 feet while still 9 miles out from the Oklahoma City airport. In April, a Southwest Airlines flight in Hawaii came within 400 feet of the Pacific Ocean. Last month a Southwest Airlines flight took off from a closed runway in Maine (the story 5 posts up).

[po elvis 2,070]

Imagine marketing some flights as "thriller rides". Kind of like amusement park rides. They make sure they hit turbulence. Do some steep banks. Drop 1000 feet in 2 seconds. Go down to within 400 ft of the water. These flights would sell out.